Lower belly pooch
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PikaKnight wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »I know I can't spot reduce but if I use the word tone instead, c'n I do that?
What Jen said ^^ (although I have no idea what a Turkish get-up is and I'm off to google)
Toning and spot reducing are totally different things, don't talk to me like I'm stupid. You can be very thin with very low body fat and still have minimal muscle definition. I'm looking for exercises that will strengthen my lower ab muscles.
They're not totally different things.
You can "strengthen your lower ab muscles", but that's not going to do anything to the fat on top of them, that you're seeking to get rid of.
I'm not TRYING to do anything about the fat. That was the whole POINT. I'm trying to work on the muscle NOT the fat. I am WELL aware that I just have to keep losing weight to get rid of the fat, I'm working on the muscle because I know that building lower abdominal muscles will help with my back pain/posture which will help pull in that pooch.
you need to get ride of the fat for your abdominal muscles to show….
I think you need to go back to the drawing board and reeducate yourself on the basics of training and nutrition.
I;m not trying to get the muscles to show. Ok? maybe "Tone" wasn't the correct word to use because apparently all of you equate "tone" with "spot reduce". I am simply trying to strengthen the muscles. That's all I'm asking for.
If you have pain/issues, then I would suggest consulting with your physician or a physical therapist.
I've done physical therapy, and I've told my doctors many times, but physical therapy only helped my upper back issues (and my insurance wont cover any more) and my doctors don't seem to want to listen to me (even though I tell them about it at least twice a year).
Find a new doctor. In the meantime, don't you still have the exercises the PT gave you? Maybe focus on those for strengthening your back.
Yes, but most of the exercises require equipment (like dumbells and bands, nothing too fancy) that I can't afford to buy. As far as finding a new doctor, once again my insurance is super crappy and wont cover any more office visits this year.0 -
PikaKnight wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »I know I can't spot reduce but if I use the word tone instead, c'n I do that?
What Jen said ^^ (although I have no idea what a Turkish get-up is and I'm off to google)
Toning and spot reducing are totally different things, don't talk to me like I'm stupid. You can be very thin with very low body fat and still have minimal muscle definition. I'm looking for exercises that will strengthen my lower ab muscles.
They're not totally different things.
You can "strengthen your lower ab muscles", but that's not going to do anything to the fat on top of them, that you're seeking to get rid of.
I'm not TRYING to do anything about the fat. That was the whole POINT. I'm trying to work on the muscle NOT the fat. I am WELL aware that I just have to keep losing weight to get rid of the fat, I'm working on the muscle because I know that building lower abdominal muscles will help with my back pain/posture which will help pull in that pooch.
you need to get ride of the fat for your abdominal muscles to show….
I think you need to go back to the drawing board and reeducate yourself on the basics of training and nutrition.
I;m not trying to get the muscles to show. Ok? maybe "Tone" wasn't the correct word to use because apparently all of you equate "tone" with "spot reduce". I am simply trying to strengthen the muscles. That's all I'm asking for.
If you have pain/issues, then I would suggest consulting with your physician or a physical therapist.
I've done physical therapy, and I've told my doctors many times, but physical therapy only helped my upper back issues (and my insurance wont cover any more) and my doctors don't seem to want to listen to me (even though I tell them about it at least twice a year).
Find a new doctor. In the meantime, don't you still have the exercises the PT gave you? Maybe focus on those for strengthening your back.
Yes, but most of the exercises require equipment (like dumbells and bands, nothing too fancy) that I can't afford to buy. As far as finding a new doctor, once again my insurance is super crappy and wont cover any more office visits this year.
Usually you can find alternatives to exercises that use bands and dumbbells. Bodybuilding.com has an extensive exercise base. What exercises are they? I'm sure we could probably find the bodyweight equivalents to them.0 -
PikaKnight wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »I know I can't spot reduce but if I use the word tone instead, c'n I do that?
What Jen said ^^ (although I have no idea what a Turkish get-up is and I'm off to google)
Toning and spot reducing are totally different things, don't talk to me like I'm stupid. You can be very thin with very low body fat and still have minimal muscle definition. I'm looking for exercises that will strengthen my lower ab muscles.
They're not totally different things.
You can "strengthen your lower ab muscles", but that's not going to do anything to the fat on top of them, that you're seeking to get rid of.
I'm not TRYING to do anything about the fat. That was the whole POINT. I'm trying to work on the muscle NOT the fat. I am WELL aware that I just have to keep losing weight to get rid of the fat, I'm working on the muscle because I know that building lower abdominal muscles will help with my back pain/posture which will help pull in that pooch.
you need to get ride of the fat for your abdominal muscles to show….
I think you need to go back to the drawing board and reeducate yourself on the basics of training and nutrition.
I;m not trying to get the muscles to show. Ok? maybe "Tone" wasn't the correct word to use because apparently all of you equate "tone" with "spot reduce". I am simply trying to strengthen the muscles. That's all I'm asking for.
If you have pain/issues, then I would suggest consulting with your physician or a physical therapist.
I've done physical therapy, and I've told my doctors many times, but physical therapy only helped my upper back issues (and my insurance wont cover any more) and my doctors don't seem to want to listen to me (even though I tell them about it at least twice a year).
Find a new doctor. In the meantime, don't you still have the exercises the PT gave you? Maybe focus on those for strengthening your back.
Yes, but most of the exercises require equipment (like dumbells and bands, nothing too fancy) that I can't afford to buy. As far as finding a new doctor, once again my insurance is super crappy and wont cover any more office visits this year.
Honestly, any exercise you do, if you are engaging your core, you are going to strengthen it. The lower your body fat percentage, while you keep engaging your core while exercising and tightening it up, the more you'll notice a flatter belly.0 -
ok, first of all: none of you need to be rude and come here to "laugh" at me. Y'all can *kitten* off.
2nd of all, apparently I am defining "tone" different than some of you. I am trying to build the muscle. That is all I mean by tone. The toning of the muscle itself is not something I expect to see on the outside, I just have very week abdominal muscles.
Strengthening abdominal muscles helps with better posture. That is a proven and accepted fact. A lot of the reason many girls have a "pooch" is not always because of fat, to some extent it may be, but some of it can be caused by bad posture... which is a huge problem for me.
No one came here to laugh at you. People are trying to help, but you keep yelling and cursing.0 -
ok, first of all: none of you need to be rude and come here to "laugh" at me. Y'all can *kitten* off.
2nd of all, apparently I am defining "tone" different than some of you. I am trying to build the muscle. That is all I mean by tone. The toning of the muscle itself is not something I expect to see on the outside, I just have very week abdominal muscles.
Strengthening abdominal muscles helps with better posture. That is a proven and accepted fact. A lot of the reason many girls have a "pooch" is not always because of fat, to some extent it may be, but some of it can be caused by bad posture... which is a huge problem for me.
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ok, first of all: none of you need to be rude and come here to "laugh" at me. Y'all can *kitten* off.
2nd of all, apparently I am defining "tone" different than some of you. I am trying to build the muscle. That is all I mean by tone. The toning of the muscle itself is not something I expect to see on the outside, I just have very week abdominal muscles.
Strengthening abdominal muscles helps with better posture. That is a proven and accepted fact. A lot of the reason many girls have a "pooch" is not always because of fat, to some extent it may be, but some of it can be caused by bad posture... which is a huge problem for me.
You are the one who isn't taking the time to read the responses.-8 -
TheVirgoddess wrote: »ok, first of all: none of you need to be rude and come here to "laugh" at me. Y'all can *kitten* off.
2nd of all, apparently I am defining "tone" different than some of you. I am trying to build the muscle. That is all I mean by tone. The toning of the muscle itself is not something I expect to see on the outside, I just have very week abdominal muscles.
Strengthening abdominal muscles helps with better posture. That is a proven and accepted fact. A lot of the reason many girls have a "pooch" is not always because of fat, to some extent it may be, but some of it can be caused by bad posture... which is a huge problem for me.
No one came here to laugh at you. People are trying to help, but you keep yelling and cursing.
There were actually 2 comments about coming here to laugh at me. I cursed once because that was incredibly rude.0 -
Flutter kicks and "hello dollies" will help stregthen the lower abs.0
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ok, first of all: none of you need to be rude and come here to "laugh" at me. Y'all can *kitten* off.
2nd of all, apparently I am defining "tone" different than some of you. I am trying to build the muscle. That is all I mean by tone. The toning of the muscle itself is not something I expect to see on the outside, I just have very week abdominal muscles.
Strengthening abdominal muscles helps with better posture. That is a proven and accepted fact. A lot of the reason many girls have a "pooch" is not always because of fat, to some extent it may be, but some of it can be caused by bad posture... which is a huge problem for me.
Stand up straight to help with your posture. Shut your mouth (or stop typing) to help with your miserable attitude. It's not necessary to swear at people who are trying to answer your questions.
You are the one who isn't taking the time to read the responses.
I read every single comment. Several of them were extremely rude, at least 2 or 3 of them said they specifically came to "laugh at OP". Many of them assumed I was trying to spot reduce, no matter how many times I said I was trying to work on the muscle not the fat. If my attitude is upsetting you it's only because nobody read MY comments.
Just "standing up straight" isn't going to help everyone with posture. Some people have naturally good posture, I have weak lower abdominal muscles and a twist in my spine that makes that very difficult.0 -
mantium999 wrote: »Just stopping by to LOL at the OP calling out rabbit and randomtai, of all people, as if they know nothing about strengthening of all the musclez. Needed a laugh today, thanks!!!
Here's someone saying they came to laugh at me.thorsmom01 wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »Just stopping by to LOL at the OP calling out rabbit and randomtai, of all people, as if they know nothing about strengthening of all the musclez. Needed a laugh today, thanks!!!
I needed a good laugh too.
. I bet the op could teach us something about strength training for sure ! (NOT)
as is this one.0 -
Why isn't bolded promoted on here like the rest? Is it special to the Gelato & Ice Cream group?
Ice Cream Fitness is Jason Blaha's brainchild 5x5 workout. Super effective, similar to Stronglifts but with a sweeter (HASEEWHATIDIDTHERE) name.
https://www.muscleandstrength.com/workouts/jason-blaha-ice-cream-fitness-5x5-novice-workout
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TheVirgoddess wrote: »ok, first of all: none of you need to be rude and come here to "laugh" at me. Y'all can *kitten* off.
2nd of all, apparently I am defining "tone" different than some of you. I am trying to build the muscle. That is all I mean by tone. The toning of the muscle itself is not something I expect to see on the outside, I just have very week abdominal muscles.
Strengthening abdominal muscles helps with better posture. That is a proven and accepted fact. A lot of the reason many girls have a "pooch" is not always because of fat, to some extent it may be, but some of it can be caused by bad posture... which is a huge problem for me.
No one came here to laugh at you. People are trying to help, but you keep yelling and cursing.
There were actually 2 comments about coming here to laugh at me. I cursed once because that was incredibly rude.
You told people that were trying to help you that they obviously weren't concerned with strength and that they were treating you like you were stupid. It might have felt that way - posting on the forums tends to make you feel vulnerable. But they weren't being mean. They were trying to let you know that what you asked for (which seems to have been a miscommunication) wasn't possible.0 -
TheVirgoddess wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »ok, first of all: none of you need to be rude and come here to "laugh" at me. Y'all can *kitten* off.
2nd of all, apparently I am defining "tone" different than some of you. I am trying to build the muscle. That is all I mean by tone. The toning of the muscle itself is not something I expect to see on the outside, I just have very week abdominal muscles.
Strengthening abdominal muscles helps with better posture. That is a proven and accepted fact. A lot of the reason many girls have a "pooch" is not always because of fat, to some extent it may be, but some of it can be caused by bad posture... which is a huge problem for me.
No one came here to laugh at you. People are trying to help, but you keep yelling and cursing.
There were actually 2 comments about coming here to laugh at me. I cursed once because that was incredibly rude.
You told people that were trying to help you that they obviously weren't concerned with strength and that they were treating you like you were stupid. It might have felt that way - posting on the forums tends to make you feel vulnerable. But they weren't being mean. They were trying to let you know that what you asked for (which seems to have been a miscommunication) wasn't possible.
That's not what happened. Even though I started out by saying "I know I can't spot reduce" they insisted that that's what I was trying to do, rather than thinking "hmm what else could she mean by that if she doesn't mean she wants to spot reduce". I repeatedly said that I was trying to build the muscle, but people were still saying "it wont get rid of the fat" even though I am WELL aware, and that's not what I am trying to do.0 -
TheVirgoddess wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »ok, first of all: none of you need to be rude and come here to "laugh" at me. Y'all can *kitten* off.
2nd of all, apparently I am defining "tone" different than some of you. I am trying to build the muscle. That is all I mean by tone. The toning of the muscle itself is not something I expect to see on the outside, I just have very week abdominal muscles.
Strengthening abdominal muscles helps with better posture. That is a proven and accepted fact. A lot of the reason many girls have a "pooch" is not always because of fat, to some extent it may be, but some of it can be caused by bad posture... which is a huge problem for me.
No one came here to laugh at you. People are trying to help, but you keep yelling and cursing.
There were actually 2 comments about coming here to laugh at me. I cursed once because that was incredibly rude.
You told people that were trying to help you that they obviously weren't concerned with strength and that they were treating you like you were stupid. It might have felt that way - posting on the forums tends to make you feel vulnerable. But they weren't being mean. They were trying to let you know that what you asked for (which seems to have been a miscommunication) wasn't possible.
That's not what happened. Even though I started out by saying "I know I can't spot reduce" they insisted that that's what I was trying to do, rather than thinking "hmm what else could she mean by that if she doesn't mean she wants to spot reduce". I repeatedly said that I was trying to build the muscle, but people were still saying "it wont get rid of the fat" even though I am WELL aware, and that's not what I am trying to do.
Honey, everyone on this thread was really confused about what you were looking for - mostly likely because of your thread title. That's okay though. You got lots of good recommendations. I'll reiterate mine: yoga - it's great for core strength and I have excellent posture Strength training is good, too. 0 -
mantium999 wrote: »Just stopping by to LOL at the OP calling out rabbit and randomtai, of all people, as if they know nothing about strengthening of all the musclez. Needed a laugh today, thanks!!!
Here's someone saying they came to laugh at me.thorsmom01 wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »Just stopping by to LOL at the OP calling out rabbit and randomtai, of all people, as if they know nothing about strengthening of all the musclez. Needed a laugh today, thanks!!!
I needed a good laugh too.
. I bet the op could teach us something about strength training for sure ! (NOT)
as is this one.
I was laughing at your accusations toward 2 of the most knowledgeable members on these forums. But now I am laughing at you. Lower your shields, you might learn a thing or 2.-1 -
TheVirgoddess wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »ok, first of all: none of you need to be rude and come here to "laugh" at me. Y'all can *kitten* off.
2nd of all, apparently I am defining "tone" different than some of you. I am trying to build the muscle. That is all I mean by tone. The toning of the muscle itself is not something I expect to see on the outside, I just have very week abdominal muscles.
Strengthening abdominal muscles helps with better posture. That is a proven and accepted fact. A lot of the reason many girls have a "pooch" is not always because of fat, to some extent it may be, but some of it can be caused by bad posture... which is a huge problem for me.
No one came here to laugh at you. People are trying to help, but you keep yelling and cursing.
There were actually 2 comments about coming here to laugh at me. I cursed once because that was incredibly rude.
You told people that were trying to help you that they obviously weren't concerned with strength and that they were treating you like you were stupid. It might have felt that way - posting on the forums tends to make you feel vulnerable. But they weren't being mean. They were trying to let you know that what you asked for (which seems to have been a miscommunication) wasn't possible.
That's not what happened. Even though I started out by saying "I know I can't spot reduce" they insisted that that's what I was trying to do, rather than thinking "hmm what else could she mean by that if she doesn't mean she wants to spot reduce". I repeatedly said that I was trying to build the muscle, but people were still saying "it wont get rid of the fat" even though I am WELL aware, and that's not what I am trying to do.
The word tone is very vague and never goes over well in the forums here. I would suggest that if you want to add muscle, that you say that, or strengthen. Or build. Something more specific than tone, which is usually used here in the sense of I want a toned tummy, or the like, which usually means losing body fat.0 -
TheVirgoddess wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »ok, first of all: none of you need to be rude and come here to "laugh" at me. Y'all can *kitten* off.
2nd of all, apparently I am defining "tone" different than some of you. I am trying to build the muscle. That is all I mean by tone. The toning of the muscle itself is not something I expect to see on the outside, I just have very week abdominal muscles.
Strengthening abdominal muscles helps with better posture. That is a proven and accepted fact. A lot of the reason many girls have a "pooch" is not always because of fat, to some extent it may be, but some of it can be caused by bad posture... which is a huge problem for me.
No one came here to laugh at you. People are trying to help, but you keep yelling and cursing.
There were actually 2 comments about coming here to laugh at me. I cursed once because that was incredibly rude.
You told people that were trying to help you that they obviously weren't concerned with strength and that they were treating you like you were stupid. It might have felt that way - posting on the forums tends to make you feel vulnerable. But they weren't being mean. They were trying to let you know that what you asked for (which seems to have been a miscommunication) wasn't possible.
That's not what happened. Even though I started out by saying "I know I can't spot reduce" they insisted that that's what I was trying to do, rather than thinking "hmm what else could she mean by that if she doesn't mean she wants to spot reduce". I repeatedly said that I was trying to build the muscle, but people were still saying "it wont get rid of the fat" even though I am WELL aware, and that's not what I am trying to do.
Honey, everyone on this thread was really confused about what you were looking for - mostly likely because of your thread title. That's okay though. You got lots of good recommendations. I'll reiterate mine: yoga - it's great for core strength and I have excellent posture Strength training is good, too.
yes, there were some really good recommendations, and I really appreciate those. To everyone who gave those recommendations: Thanks!
Maybe you can understand my frustration when people are insisting that I am wrong about my own body when it's simply an issue of semantics when I tried to explain it several times, not to mention when people are literally commenting that they are here to laugh at me.0 -
blankiefinder wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »ok, first of all: none of you need to be rude and come here to "laugh" at me. Y'all can *kitten* off.
2nd of all, apparently I am defining "tone" different than some of you. I am trying to build the muscle. That is all I mean by tone. The toning of the muscle itself is not something I expect to see on the outside, I just have very week abdominal muscles.
Strengthening abdominal muscles helps with better posture. That is a proven and accepted fact. A lot of the reason many girls have a "pooch" is not always because of fat, to some extent it may be, but some of it can be caused by bad posture... which is a huge problem for me.
No one came here to laugh at you. People are trying to help, but you keep yelling and cursing.
There were actually 2 comments about coming here to laugh at me. I cursed once because that was incredibly rude.
You told people that were trying to help you that they obviously weren't concerned with strength and that they were treating you like you were stupid. It might have felt that way - posting on the forums tends to make you feel vulnerable. But they weren't being mean. They were trying to let you know that what you asked for (which seems to have been a miscommunication) wasn't possible.
That's not what happened. Even though I started out by saying "I know I can't spot reduce" they insisted that that's what I was trying to do, rather than thinking "hmm what else could she mean by that if she doesn't mean she wants to spot reduce". I repeatedly said that I was trying to build the muscle, but people were still saying "it wont get rid of the fat" even though I am WELL aware, and that's not what I am trying to do.
The word tone is very vague and never goes over well in the forums here. I would suggest that if you want to add muscle, that you say that, or strengthen. Or build. Something more specific than tone, which is usually used here in the sense of I want a toned tummy, or the like, which usually means losing body fat.
That's good advice, I'd never seen anyone use "tone" before so I didn't know 0 -
TheVirgoddess wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »ok, first of all: none of you need to be rude and come here to "laugh" at me. Y'all can *kitten* off.
2nd of all, apparently I am defining "tone" different than some of you. I am trying to build the muscle. That is all I mean by tone. The toning of the muscle itself is not something I expect to see on the outside, I just have very week abdominal muscles.
Strengthening abdominal muscles helps with better posture. That is a proven and accepted fact. A lot of the reason many girls have a "pooch" is not always because of fat, to some extent it may be, but some of it can be caused by bad posture... which is a huge problem for me.
No one came here to laugh at you. People are trying to help, but you keep yelling and cursing.
There were actually 2 comments about coming here to laugh at me. I cursed once because that was incredibly rude.
You told people that were trying to help you that they obviously weren't concerned with strength and that they were treating you like you were stupid. It might have felt that way - posting on the forums tends to make you feel vulnerable. But they weren't being mean. They were trying to let you know that what you asked for (which seems to have been a miscommunication) wasn't possible.
That's not what happened. Even though I started out by saying "I know I can't spot reduce" they insisted that that's what I was trying to do, rather than thinking "hmm what else could she mean by that if she doesn't mean she wants to spot reduce". I repeatedly said that I was trying to build the muscle, but people were still saying "it wont get rid of the fat" even though I am WELL aware, and that's not what I am trying to do.
Honey, everyone on this thread was really confused about what you were looking for - mostly likely because of your thread title. That's okay though. You got lots of good recommendations. I'll reiterate mine: yoga - it's great for core strength and I have excellent posture Strength training is good, too.
yes, there were some really good recommendations, and I really appreciate those. To everyone who gave those recommendations: Thanks!
Maybe you can understand my frustration when people are insisting that I am wrong about my own body when it's simply an issue of semantics when I tried to explain it several times, not to mention when people are literally commenting that they are here to laugh at me.
Tone generally does mean burn fat, though. It's often used with trim as in trim fat. So I was confused, too - even with your further explanations.
You got pretty defensive, pretty fast and then yes, people saw that and commented showing their amusement. It's the internet
Try to realize that a lot of us are on here daily, answering the same questions over and over, every day to try to help people lose weight, build muscle, understand the process and when we try to help and people get snarky, it's frustrating.0 -
blankiefinder wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »ok, first of all: none of you need to be rude and come here to "laugh" at me. Y'all can *kitten* off.
2nd of all, apparently I am defining "tone" different than some of you. I am trying to build the muscle. That is all I mean by tone. The toning of the muscle itself is not something I expect to see on the outside, I just have very week abdominal muscles.
Strengthening abdominal muscles helps with better posture. That is a proven and accepted fact. A lot of the reason many girls have a "pooch" is not always because of fat, to some extent it may be, but some of it can be caused by bad posture... which is a huge problem for me.
No one came here to laugh at you. People are trying to help, but you keep yelling and cursing.
There were actually 2 comments about coming here to laugh at me. I cursed once because that was incredibly rude.
You told people that were trying to help you that they obviously weren't concerned with strength and that they were treating you like you were stupid. It might have felt that way - posting on the forums tends to make you feel vulnerable. But they weren't being mean. They were trying to let you know that what you asked for (which seems to have been a miscommunication) wasn't possible.
That's not what happened. Even though I started out by saying "I know I can't spot reduce" they insisted that that's what I was trying to do, rather than thinking "hmm what else could she mean by that if she doesn't mean she wants to spot reduce". I repeatedly said that I was trying to build the muscle, but people were still saying "it wont get rid of the fat" even though I am WELL aware, and that's not what I am trying to do.
The word tone is very vague and never goes over well in the forums here. I would suggest that if you want to add muscle, that you say that, or strengthen. Or build. Something more specific than tone, which is usually used here in the sense of I want a toned tummy, or the like, which usually means losing body fat.
That's good advice, I'd never seen anyone use "tone" before so I didn't know
I have, and it never ends well :laugh:0 -
blankiefinder wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »ok, first of all: none of you need to be rude and come here to "laugh" at me. Y'all can *kitten* off.
2nd of all, apparently I am defining "tone" different than some of you. I am trying to build the muscle. That is all I mean by tone. The toning of the muscle itself is not something I expect to see on the outside, I just have very week abdominal muscles.
Strengthening abdominal muscles helps with better posture. That is a proven and accepted fact. A lot of the reason many girls have a "pooch" is not always because of fat, to some extent it may be, but some of it can be caused by bad posture... which is a huge problem for me.
No one came here to laugh at you. People are trying to help, but you keep yelling and cursing.
There were actually 2 comments about coming here to laugh at me. I cursed once because that was incredibly rude.
You told people that were trying to help you that they obviously weren't concerned with strength and that they were treating you like you were stupid. It might have felt that way - posting on the forums tends to make you feel vulnerable. But they weren't being mean. They were trying to let you know that what you asked for (which seems to have been a miscommunication) wasn't possible.
That's not what happened. Even though I started out by saying "I know I can't spot reduce" they insisted that that's what I was trying to do, rather than thinking "hmm what else could she mean by that if she doesn't mean she wants to spot reduce". I repeatedly said that I was trying to build the muscle, but people were still saying "it wont get rid of the fat" even though I am WELL aware, and that's not what I am trying to do.
The word tone is very vague and never goes over well in the forums here. I would suggest that if you want to add muscle, that you say that, or strengthen. Or build. Something more specific than tone, which is usually used here in the sense of I want a toned tummy, or the like, which usually means losing body fat.
That's good advice, I'd never seen anyone use "tone" before so I didn't know
Yeah. It almost doesn't mean anything, because the desired look people usually want when they use that word requires losing fat, and saving LBM to have some muscle definition show. There's no "toning" of muscles involved.0 -
OP, sorry for the crap you're getting.
As people age or have babies, their pelvic floor and abdominal muscles often lose strength. You can have NO FAT AT ALL and still have your belly distended at the bottom. This happens due to general weakness or diastasis recti. Also, you may pee when you sneeze or cough or laugh. You often have back pain, too, in the lower back, or sciatica if your hips are slipping (sacroiliac joint--THIS SUUUUUCKS).
A bit about the pelvic floor:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelvic_floor
Primer on pelvic floor disorders:
http://www.uchospitals.edu/specialties/pelvic/faq/pelvic-floor-disorders.html
It also make certain kinds of female orgasms less likely, can cause prolapse of organs, and can even cause vaginal atrophy, in extreme cases.
A bit about diastasis recti:
http://www.webmd.com/baby/guide/abdominal-separation-diastasis-recti
IF YOU HAVE true diastatsis recti, you need to avoid ALL movements that strain the rectus abdominis until it's repaired. What a lot of people do is try to strengthen the rectus muscles by doing more sit ups/crunches/etc. Those are the wrong muscles. You want to strengthen your TRANSVERSE abs.
If you merely have a weak transverse abdominis, you can continue to work the abdominis recti, but realize that it won't fix the pooch.
If you do Pilates CORRECTLY (and avoid the rectus exercises if you need to), it's the hardest workout I've found for continually challenging your transverse abs. During Pilates, you're supposed to be drawing your belly button toward your spine the whole time.
You can also do stomach vacuums. Research diastasis recti fitness programs specifically if you need more guidance--there are several commercial programs out there.
A weak pelvic girdle (including the floor muscles but also muscles in the hips and so-called "core") can cause sacroilial instability, also, by increasing the movement of the joint when shear pressures are applied unevenly. I am CRAZY about Pilates for this!!!! Specifically search "pilates for IS instability," and you'll see a lot of results with specific routines. No more sciatica!!!!!!!
About IS instability:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacroiliac_joint_dysfunction
Complex compound lifts CAN help a lot with the strength of the whole pelvic girdle (if you can work your rectus). like squats (with weight) and deadlifts. They also help strengthen a lot of the other pelvic floor muscles if you do them right. However, a lot of people do then wrong and actually put STRESS on their pelvic floor, particularly. This can increase pelvic floor problems. During ANY lift, do not in any circumstances allow your stomach to bulge out, and don't feel like you might fart. Those are signs that you're not using your transverse abs or aren't using your pelvic floor muscles in sync with your other muscles (you're pushing down on the pelvic floor but not back against it--hence a feeling like you might fart).
I used to be fairly slim after kiddo number two. I had a 26" waist. But when I lay sideways, my guts sort of sloshed to the side, too. My rectus muscles were separated, and my transverse wasn't strong enough to provide the support it's supposed to. Working my transverse abdominis means that I'm a LOT fatter right now, but everything stays in place! Also, it's strong enough that I can finally lift weights again--before I was educated about how to reverse diastasis recti, I thought I would NEVER be able to lift again (because most movements increase separation).
Best of luck and TONS of love and support!
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Not your pelvic floor again.0
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*facepalm* Oh great. Diagnosing issues. Didn't realize MFP had a doctor on board...oh wait0
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Must. Resist.0
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OP, if you want, you can still list the exercises the physical therapist gave you and we can find the bodyweight alternatives so you can try those out.0
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MamaBirdBoss wrote: »OP, sorry for the crap you're getting.
As people age or have babies, their pelvic floor and abdominal muscles often lose strength. You can have NO FAT AT ALL and still have your belly distended at the bottom. This happens due to general weakness or diastasis recti. Also, you may pee when you sneeze or cough or laugh. You often have back pain, too, in the lower back, or sciatica if your hips are slipping (sacroiliac joint--THIS SUUUUUCKS).
A bit about the pelvic floor:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelvic_floor
Primer on pelvic floor disorders:
http://www.uchospitals.edu/specialties/pelvic/faq/pelvic-floor-disorders.html
It also make certain kinds of female orgasms less likely, can cause prolapse of organs, and can even cause vaginal atrophy, in extreme cases.
A bit about diastasis recti:
http://www.webmd.com/baby/guide/abdominal-separation-diastasis-recti
IF YOU HAVE true diastatsis recti, you need to avoid ALL movements that strain the rectus abdominis until it's repaired. What a lot of people do is try to strengthen the rectus muscles by doing more sit ups/crunches/etc. Those are the wrong muscles. You want to strengthen your TRANSVERSE abs.
If you merely have a weak transverse abdominis, you can continue to work the abdominis recti, but realize that it won't fix the pooch.
If you do Pilates CORRECTLY (and avoid the rectus exercises if you need to), it's the hardest workout I've found for continually challenging your transverse abs. During Pilates, you're supposed to be drawing your belly button toward your spine the whole time.
You can also do stomach vacuums. Research diastasis recti fitness programs specifically if you need more guidance--there are several commercial programs out there.
A weak pelvic girdle (including the floor muscles but also muscles in the hips and so-called "core") can cause sacroilial instability, also, by increasing the movement of the joint when shear pressures are applied unevenly. I am CRAZY about Pilates for this!!!! Specifically search "pilates for IS instability," and you'll see a lot of results with specific routines. No more sciatica!!!!!!!
About IS instability:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacroiliac_joint_dysfunction
Complex compound lifts CAN help a lot with the strength of the whole pelvic girdle (if you can work your rectus). like squats (with weight) and deadlifts. They also help strengthen a lot of the other pelvic floor muscles if you do them right. However, a lot of people do then wrong and actually put STRESS on their pelvic floor, particularly. This can increase pelvic floor problems. During ANY lift, do not in any circumstances allow your stomach to bulge out, and don't feel like you might fart. Those are signs that you're not using your transverse abs or aren't using your pelvic floor muscles in sync with your other muscles (you're pushing down on the pelvic floor but not back against it--hence a feeling like you might fart).
I used to be fairly slim after kiddo number two. I had a 26" waist. But when I lay sideways, my guts sort of sloshed to the side, too. My rectus muscles were separated, and my transverse wasn't strong enough to provide the support it's supposed to. Working my transverse abdominis means that I'm a LOT fatter right now, but everything stays in place! Also, it's strong enough that I can finally lift weights again--before I was educated about how to reverse diastasis recti, I thought I would NEVER be able to lift again (because most movements increase separation).
Best of luck and TONS of love and support!
ummm... I'm turning 21 next month... no where near old, never had kids, only been sexually active for barely a year... so... I'm gonna say that's not my issue. Thanks, though!0 -
MamaBirdBoss wrote: »OP, sorry for the crap you're getting.
As people age or have babies, their pelvic floor and abdominal muscles often lose strength. You can have NO FAT AT ALL and still have your belly distended at the bottom. This happens due to general weakness or diastasis recti. Also, you may pee when you sneeze or cough or laugh. You often have back pain, too, in the lower back, or sciatica if your hips are slipping (sacroiliac joint--THIS SUUUUUCKS).
A bit about the pelvic floor:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelvic_floor
Primer on pelvic floor disorders:
http://www.uchospitals.edu/specialties/pelvic/faq/pelvic-floor-disorders.html
It also make certain kinds of female orgasms less likely, can cause prolapse of organs, and can even cause vaginal atrophy, in extreme cases.
A bit about diastasis recti:
http://www.webmd.com/baby/guide/abdominal-separation-diastasis-recti
IF YOU HAVE true diastatsis recti, you need to avoid ALL movements that strain the rectus abdominis until it's repaired. What a lot of people do is try to strengthen the rectus muscles by doing more sit ups/crunches/etc. Those are the wrong muscles. You want to strengthen your TRANSVERSE abs.
If you merely have a weak transverse abdominis, you can continue to work the abdominis recti, but realize that it won't fix the pooch.
If you do Pilates CORRECTLY (and avoid the rectus exercises if you need to), it's the hardest workout I've found for continually challenging your transverse abs. During Pilates, you're supposed to be drawing your belly button toward your spine the whole time.
You can also do stomach vacuums. Research diastasis recti fitness programs specifically if you need more guidance--there are several commercial programs out there.
A weak pelvic girdle (including the floor muscles but also muscles in the hips and so-called "core") can cause sacroilial instability, also, by increasing the movement of the joint when shear pressures are applied unevenly. I am CRAZY about Pilates for this!!!! Specifically search "pilates for IS instability," and you'll see a lot of results with specific routines. No more sciatica!!!!!!!
About IS instability:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacroiliac_joint_dysfunction
Complex compound lifts CAN help a lot with the strength of the whole pelvic girdle (if you can work your rectus). like squats (with weight) and deadlifts. They also help strengthen a lot of the other pelvic floor muscles if you do them right. However, a lot of people do then wrong and actually put STRESS on their pelvic floor, particularly. This can increase pelvic floor problems. During ANY lift, do not in any circumstances allow your stomach to bulge out, and don't feel like you might fart. Those are signs that you're not using your transverse abs or aren't using your pelvic floor muscles in sync with your other muscles (you're pushing down on the pelvic floor but not back against it--hence a feeling like you might fart).
I used to be fairly slim after kiddo number two. I had a 26" waist. But when I lay sideways, my guts sort of sloshed to the side, too. My rectus muscles were separated, and my transverse wasn't strong enough to provide the support it's supposed to. Working my transverse abdominis means that I'm a LOT fatter right now, but everything stays in place! Also, it's strong enough that I can finally lift weights again--before I was educated about how to reverse diastasis recti, I thought I would NEVER be able to lift again (because most movements increase separation).
Best of luck and TONS of love and support!
ummm... I'm turning 21 next month... no where near old, never had kids, only been sexually active for barely a year... so... I'm gonna say that's not my issue. Thanks, though!
Aren't you glad we got that cleared up?
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What the.... good lord. Unless she's had a couple babies and is in need of some surgery, pretty unlikely.
A little good exercise and she'll be right as rain. No prolapse, peeing when she sneezes, or anything else. Sheesh.0 -
MamaBirdBoss wrote: »OP, sorry for the crap you're getting.
As people age or have babies, their pelvic floor and abdominal muscles often lose strength. You can have NO FAT AT ALL and still have your belly distended at the bottom. This happens due to general weakness or diastasis recti. Also, you may pee when you sneeze or cough or laugh. You often have back pain, too, in the lower back, or sciatica if your hips are slipping (sacroiliac joint--THIS SUUUUUCKS).
A bit about the pelvic floor:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelvic_floor
Primer on pelvic floor disorders:
http://www.uchospitals.edu/specialties/pelvic/faq/pelvic-floor-disorders.html
It also make certain kinds of female orgasms less likely, can cause prolapse of organs, and can even cause vaginal atrophy, in extreme cases.
A bit about diastasis recti:
http://www.webmd.com/baby/guide/abdominal-separation-diastasis-recti
IF YOU HAVE true diastatsis recti, you need to avoid ALL movements that strain the rectus abdominis until it's repaired. What a lot of people do is try to strengthen the rectus muscles by doing more sit ups/crunches/etc. Those are the wrong muscles. You want to strengthen your TRANSVERSE abs.
If you merely have a weak transverse abdominis, you can continue to work the abdominis recti, but realize that it won't fix the pooch.
If you do Pilates CORRECTLY (and avoid the rectus exercises if you need to), it's the hardest workout I've found for continually challenging your transverse abs. During Pilates, you're supposed to be drawing your belly button toward your spine the whole time.
You can also do stomach vacuums. Research diastasis recti fitness programs specifically if you need more guidance--there are several commercial programs out there.
A weak pelvic girdle (including the floor muscles but also muscles in the hips and so-called "core") can cause sacroilial instability, also, by increasing the movement of the joint when shear pressures are applied unevenly. I am CRAZY about Pilates for this!!!! Specifically search "pilates for IS instability," and you'll see a lot of results with specific routines. No more sciatica!!!!!!!
About IS instability:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacroiliac_joint_dysfunction
Complex compound lifts CAN help a lot with the strength of the whole pelvic girdle (if you can work your rectus). like squats (with weight) and deadlifts. They also help strengthen a lot of the other pelvic floor muscles if you do them right. However, a lot of people do then wrong and actually put STRESS on their pelvic floor, particularly. This can increase pelvic floor problems. During ANY lift, do not in any circumstances allow your stomach to bulge out, and don't feel like you might fart. Those are signs that you're not using your transverse abs or aren't using your pelvic floor muscles in sync with your other muscles (you're pushing down on the pelvic floor but not back against it--hence a feeling like you might fart).
I used to be fairly slim after kiddo number two. I had a 26" waist. But when I lay sideways, my guts sort of sloshed to the side, too. My rectus muscles were separated, and my transverse wasn't strong enough to provide the support it's supposed to. Working my transverse abdominis means that I'm a LOT fatter right now, but everything stays in place! Also, it's strong enough that I can finally lift weights again--before I was educated about how to reverse diastasis recti, I thought I would NEVER be able to lift again (because most movements increase separation).
Best of luck and TONS of love and support!
ummm... I'm turning 21 next month... no where near old, never had kids, only been sexually active for barely a year... so... I'm gonna say that's not my issue. Thanks, though!
Don't pay too much mind. It's a thing with her.0
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