the myth, starvation mode, and dont eat before bed.

bump

I've been following a member's blog on here. She eats aprox 800 calories a day and works out to what she says is 700 calories burned. She then finds she has not lost any weight and wonders why. I consider her to be a perfect role model for what starvation mode really does.

I'll pass and continue eating.

Exactly. Glad to see most people are disagreeing with mr. sports medicine genius over here. 800 calories a day is about what the starving kids in africa are eating daily... Most of us have seen their pictures and agree they look pretty damn sick-not healthy or energized!

,

I think its different for everyone, especially women on eating back exercise calories. I don't eat all of them back, but I do eat a little more on the days I expend a higher amount of calories, but I would definitely gain if I ate all of them, or at least not lose my weekly goal. I think age, body type and exercise type all plays a factor into it as well. Men typically need a bit more after they work out, at least I have witnessed that with my boyfriend who is in excellent shape.

glad to see I'm not the only one who "ate back" exercise calories and gained. before MFP, i ate 1200 calories whether I exercised or not, which i did religiously every day and still do, and consisently lost weight. with MFP, it adds my exercise calories back in and i'm allowed to eat even more calories which i caught myself doing. i gained weight! how frustrating! i'll keep using MVP but i'm not allowing myself extra food according to calories burned during exercise.

Thank you for informing me with your outdate article. (published in 1999! over TEN years old...) Science, including sports medicine and nutrition, have come leaps and bounds since I was nine years old.

Heart disease and diabetes have increased in the last 10yrs.

Oh and btw your whole human growth hormone argument... HGH is ALSO found in steroids... do you think its a good idea to USE steroids as well?

Why are steroids unhealthy? HGH isn't found in steroids from my understanding. You can drown in 1 inch of water, or suffocate with too much oxygen.

And, by consuming a minimum of 1200 calories a day, and sometimes more, I am losing weight at a very rapid speed and also... I DO feel hungry when I eat. I don't eat unless I feel hunger. So bizarre how you can do that but still eat a reasonable amount of food, not 800 calories per day

Today I ate almost 5000 calories a day. Am I deprived? no. Once again, I never recommended an 800 calorie diet. It's just to prove that you can lose weight on a VLCD despite the common bs about starvation mode. Yes Low calorie diets are unhealthy, I completely agree on that. You can lose weight eating throughout the day. I never said you couldn't. Its the most common approach to weight loss. You can get better results that are more health promoting eating a different way. That's all I am trying to say.

As per the specification of this topic. It's about starvation mode. Which I have already discussed is a lie. It's about improper macro nutrient ratios. If you have a high carb diet, and ate low calories, you are more than likely to fall in to the starvation mode myth. The theory is "you need a certain amount of calories so you don't hit starvation mode" I already mentioned how that is false.

I think I see what you are trying to say, I just don't think you are very good an coming up with credible arguments. And yes, steroids are bad and have very serious side effects. Medicating to lose weight and gain muscle is an idiotic idea. Especially when you experience lack of libido, acne, emotional outbursts (especially in the form of rage), and other not so pleasant side effects. And yes, HGH is a very popular steroid, and is sold on the black market. I will not flood you with articles because of this handy tool called google. I read your profile and you said it yourself you have issues with keeping weight off after you lose it... Maybe it is because your dieting method is simply not working. I can't say for certain I will keep the weight I have lost off once I have reached my goal because I have never attempted weight loss before - but I do know it seems absolutely like a reasonable and seemingly easy task by eating when I am hungry, stopping when I am full, making healthier choices and making exercise a part of my new lifestyle. Yes heart disease and diabetes- and other obesity related diseases- have certainly increased in the United States and other countries in the past ten years- but so have trendy crash diets that cause the yo-yo effect of weight gain and muscle loss. There are many, many factors that have caused that increase and I would be willing to place money on a bet that it has absolutely zero to do with your incredibly outdated and irrelevant article. I also am well aware that of course you will lose weight on a diet that extremely low in calories. Have you seen someone suffering from anorexia? They are extremely thin. But also malnourished. I am done arguing with you considering you actually rhetorically inquired about steroid use, because its hilarious to me you actually find nothing wrong with using them. Please, do your 800 calorie/day diet you sent me, show me results, and then keep the weight off for a minimum of 1 year. If you can do this and look healthy, I will bow to you sir.

I think I see what you are trying to say, I just don't think you are very good an coming up with credible arguments. And yes, steroids are bad and have very serious side effects. Medicating to lose weight and gain muscle is an idiotic idea. Especially when you experience lack of libido, acne, emotional outbursts (especially in the form of rage), and other not so pleasant side effects. And yes, HGH is a very popular steroid, and is sold on the black market. I will not flood you with articles because of this handy tool called google. I read your profile and you said it yourself you have issues with keeping weight off after you lose it... Maybe it is because your dieting method is simply not working. I can't say for certain I will keep the weight I have lost off once I have reached my goal because I have never attempted weight loss before - but I do know it seems absolutely like a reasonable and seemingly easy task by eating when I am hungry, stopping when I am full, making healthier choices and making exercise a part of my new lifestyle. Yes heart disease and diabetes- and other obesity related diseases- have certainly increased in the United States and other countries in the past ten years- but so have trendy crash diets that cause the yo-yo effect of weight gain and muscle loss. There are many, many factors that have caused that increase and I would be willing to place money on a bet that it has absolutely zero to do with your incredibly outdated and irrelevant article. I also am well aware that of course you will lose weight on a diet that extremely low in calories. Have you seen someone suffering from anorexia? They are extremely thin. But also malnourished. I am done arguing with you considering you actually rhetorically inquired about steroid use, because its hilarious to me you actually find nothing wrong with using them. Please, do your 800 calorie/day diet you sent me, show me results, and then keep the weight off for a minimum of 1 year. If you can do this and look healthy, I will bow to you sir.

Thank you.

Here's the problem though...you can't argue with an idiot...because they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. Intelligent people eventually give up...and then the idiot that's posting the misinformation ends up with free reign to do and say as he pleases, post his garbage information wherever he pleases, and in the end, confuse and possibly hurt a lot of innocent people who are just trying to lose weight in a comfortable, safe manner.

In my opinion, this is where moderators should step in. When it comes to peoples safety...it should be bannable. I've been an admin/moderator on MANY automotive forums, as well as bladesmithing forums. Each forum I was with, implemented a clause into the agreement that if you were banned, and you tried to rejoin under a false name or email...you could be sued for stupid amounts of money for breaking the agreement.

it worked.

To Ascriminal:

Go back and read all your posts. You change your stance so many times it's not even funny...and I don't care if YOU think you have it straight in YOUR head...your method of communicating it to others is flawed at best. One second you're exclaiming that starvation mode isn't real...then that it's real but misunderstood...then that it's a lie...wtf man? Do YOU even know what the hell you're talking about?

Once again...a plea to the moderators to please do something about this guy?

Cris

Nope, there's no arguing with some people. Especially when there are no sources to back it up! And Ladyhawk did a good job listing sources and intelligent arguments.... If anyone listens to some of the advice, "some people" have given from this thread - so help them....