clean eating
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For some people it is not unrealistic nor is it hard. If it is unrealistic and/or hard for you...then don't attempt it. Just don't judge others on what you can or can not do.
I make my own personal judgements on what does and does not make sense to me. Basing one's diet around an un-definable term in the context of diet makes no sense to me. You know nothing about me so please do not infer what you think I can or can not do...
Makes no difference to be as well. Why you continue to use meaningless terms in the context of diet bewilders me...Someone can eat "dirty"...someone can eat "clean"...makes no difference to me. I choose to eat in a way that fits in to MY life...not someone elses.
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For some people it is not unrealistic nor is it hard. If it is unrealistic and/or hard for you...then don't attempt it. Just don't judge others on what you can or can not do.
I make my own personal judgements on what does and does not make sense to me. Basing one's diet around an un-definable term in the context of diet makes no sense to me. You know nothing about me so please do not infer what you think I can or can not do...Someone can eat "dirty"...someone can eat "clean"...makes no difference to me. I choose to eat in a way that fits in to MY life...not someone elses.
When I used the term "you" I wasn't necessarily referring to you personally...but to people in general...which would include myself.Makes no difference to be as well. Why you continue to use meaningless terms in the context of diet bewilders me...
Meaningless terms? Not sure what you mean by that. I didn't make those terms up. If someone wants to use one of those "meaningless terms" to describe themselves...I don't have a problem with that. I doesn't affect me.0 -
Meaningless terms? Not sure what you mean by that. I didn't make those terms up. If someone wants to use one of those "meaningless terms" to describe themselves...I don't have a problem with that. I doesn't affect me.
Sure you do. You know full well those terms in the context of diet have no meaning. Does not matter if you made them up or not... you are perpetuating their use. Maybe you don't care, but I think the youngster just starting out deserves accurate information, not nonsense...0 -
Eating a healthy diet is not an eating disorder.Sure it can work, but the question is for how long? The more foods and food groups you cut out of your diet because they've been arbitrarily labeled "dirty", the more difficult it is to adhere to your diet. When you inevitably find yourself in a situation where you eat one of those foods again (a friend's party, sporting event, night out, etc.) and you have one bite of your now forbidden food, you're going to binge on that food, and that is extremely unhealthy, and can develop into an eating disorder. Some clean eaters go a month without binges, some can go 6 months or even a year without binges, but in the end they all binge, it's only a matter of when. Don't become an orthorexic, create a healthy, sustainable diet that focuses on hitting healthy calorie and macronutrient goals, and not demonizing food groups.
Binging on junk food is not something that all healthy eaters do.
I realize that some people here have had eating disorders. Whatever they need to do to manage them is great and what they should do. However, not everyone has an ED.
Assuming that people without EDs will suddenly develop them because they chose to eat healthy food...as if that's some foregone conclusion...it's ludicrous.
Please do not demonize healthy diets.
I don't demonize healthy diets, I demonize irrational diets that aren't based on any sound science and lead to bad relationships with food...
But you have demonized healthy diets. Your comment about how a binge is inevitable is demonizing healthy diets. "Don't become an orthorexic," you say,
Eating healthy food is not an eating disorder. It's a good, healthy thing to do and you've demonized it with your incorrect (and unscientific) statements. "...in the end they all binge, it's only a matter of when."
You're demonizing healthy diets.0 -
Eating a healthy diet is not an eating disorder.Sure it can work, but the question is for how long? The more foods and food groups you cut out of your diet because they've been arbitrarily labeled "dirty", the more difficult it is to adhere to your diet. When you inevitably find yourself in a situation where you eat one of those foods again (a friend's party, sporting event, night out, etc.) and you have one bite of your now forbidden food, you're going to binge on that food, and that is extremely unhealthy, and can develop into an eating disorder. Some clean eaters go a month without binges, some can go 6 months or even a year without binges, but in the end they all binge, it's only a matter of when. Don't become an orthorexic, create a healthy, sustainable diet that focuses on hitting healthy calorie and macronutrient goals, and not demonizing food groups.
Binging on junk food is not something that all healthy eaters do.
I realize that some people here have had eating disorders. Whatever they need to do to manage them is great and what they should do. However, not everyone has an ED.
Assuming that people without EDs will suddenly develop them because they chose to eat healthy food...as if that's some foregone conclusion...it's ludicrous.
Please do not demonize healthy diets.
I don't demonize healthy diets, I demonize irrational diets that aren't based on any sound science and lead to bad relationships with food...
But you have demonized healthy diets. Your comment about how a binge is inevitable is demonizing healthy diets. "Don't become an orthorexic," you say,
Eating healthy food is not an eating disorder. It's a good, healthy thing to do and you've demonized it with your incorrect (and unscientific) statements. "...in the end they all binge, it's only a matter of when."
You're demonizing healthy diets.
Actually he is correct, how many times do we see on these forums of people making threads that, "I keep binging because I restrict myself on not eating certain foods", etc, etc. Like many times a weeks or more.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Sure it can work, but the question is for how long? The more foods and food groups you cut out of your diet because they've been arbitrarily labeled "dirty", the more difficult it is to adhere to your diet. When you inevitably find yourself in a situation where you eat one of those foods again (a friend's party, sporting event, night out, etc.) and you have one bite of your now forbidden food, you're going to binge on that food, and that is extremely unhealthy, and can develop into an eating disorder. Some clean eaters go a month without binges, some can go 6 months or even a year without binges, but in the end they all binge, it's only a matter of when. Don't become an orthorexic, create a healthy, sustainable diet that focuses on hitting healthy calorie and macronutrient goals, and not demonizing food groups.
Why would I eat a food that I don't eat? Where are these parties where only one food is served, and who is forcing me to eat food at the party? Why would I go to a sporting event or eating establishment during a night out, and order something that I don't eat? I'm not a clean eater, but that makes no sense no matter how you eat.
Also, do you have any studies to support your claim that all people who eat clean inevitably binge, or is that just hyperbole or an anecdotal assertion?
If you've only cut out one specific food, yea maybe you can go your whole life without ever eating it again, but the more restrictive the diet, the harder it is to avoid the restricted foods indefinitely. Studies have shown that rigid diets are associated with eating disorder, mood disturbances, and excessive concern with body size/shape
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10336790
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11883916
I wouldn't necessarily characterize clean eating as rigid. Less convenient than eating convenience foods, sure, but not so much rigid. Your studies didn't define rigid eating but I found this:
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/8130552_Rigid_and_flexible_control_of_eating_behavior_in_a_college_population
You wouldn't characterize clean eating as an "all or nothing" approach? I don't think there is a less flexible form of dieting than clean eating, at least none that I've come across. There is a reason most nutritionists debate "Clean Eating vs. Flexible Dieting" as the two main forms of dieting on two ends of the spectrum. Clean eating is not flexible at all, it is extremely rigid.
This makes me think they are using a very different definition of clean eating than just the standard 'natural and un/minimally processed'. Because simply avoiding overly processed and synthetic foods still allows for a very flexible diet.
That depends highly on your definition of a processed food, which is itself subjective.
Yes, I have read some posts that claim to think picking an apple is processing. But my definition wouldn't matter, that used in the study would.
There was no definition given for processed food in either of the studies I linked. Are you referring to a different study?
Without definition of terms any article or study is extremely subjective and therefore mostly meaningless.
A study about rigid dieting is not meaningless just because there's no definition of a processed foods. The fact that people are cutting foods out of their diet in the first place makes the diet rigid, not what they are cutting out.
I disagree. Without definitions the study tells us little. Is cutting foods what is meant by "rigid"? Is it all that is meant? What foods? How many foods? Do calories remain the same, or is there also severe calorie restriction?
Without knowing what is meant by "rigid" the study is as meaningless as the phrase "clean eating" without a definition.
Fair enough, in return I'd ask you why you think it can be beneficial to completely cut certain foods out of your diet?
I never said I think that, but for some people I imagine it probably is beneficial. Allergies, obviously. But, it could also be beneficial to cut trigger foods (foods that you just can't seem to stop eating once you start) from your diet. Even if you do eventually cave and binge on them, it's got to be better than doing it on a regular basis.
And then there are foods that you might cut simply because you don't think they are worth the calories. I stopped eating fast food years ago. In the past couple of decades I've had fast food maybe 2-3 times when traveling and it was all that was available. I can't even remember the last time I ate it.0 -
Meaningless terms? Not sure what you mean by that. I didn't make those terms up. If someone wants to use one of those "meaningless terms" to describe themselves...I don't have a problem with that. I doesn't affect me.
Sure you do. You know full well those terms in the context of diet have no meaning. Does not matter if you made them up or not... you are perpetuating their use. Maybe you don't care, but I think the youngster just starting out deserves accurate information, not nonsense...
These are the terms that I have used on this thread...
"clean eaters"...vegans...vegetarians...paleoists (sp)
"dirty"
"clean"
"IIFYM"
Am I the only one in all of the history of MFP to have ever used these terms?
Have you never used any of these terms during your time on MFP?
How does using these terms in any way perpetuate their use?
Do you jump on everyone that uses any of these terms?
Also...where does it state on MFP that I have to verify with you or anyone else what terms that I use?
Surely...these terms are used quite frequently on MFP. Why does my usage of these terms perpetuate their use or have any adverse affects on the youngsters?
Title of the thread..."clean eating". How are we supposed to discuss the topic without referring to "clean eaters"?
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Clean Eating?
I define it as...lean meats, fish, fresh fruits and veggies, nuts, whole grained, home baked stuff, beans, raw, whole dairy and whole eggs.
I needed an ideal to strive toward: clean eating!
I eat this way 70% of the time - close enough.
And my results are stellar to reflect very high goals regarding peak fitness and optimal health.
I want to eat clean as I understand the concept without turning my diet into a religion you all much join.
People like that are such bores!
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Angry much?Meaningless terms? Not sure what you mean by that. I didn't make those terms up. If someone wants to use one of those "meaningless terms" to describe themselves...I don't have a problem with that. I doesn't affect me.
Sure you do. You know full well those terms in the context of diet have no meaning. Does not matter if you made them up or not... you are perpetuating their use. Maybe you don't care, but I think the youngster just starting out deserves accurate information, not nonsense...
These are the terms that I have used on this thread...
"clean eaters"...vegans...vegetarians...paleoists (sp)
"dirty"
"clean"
"IIFYM"
Am I the only one in all of the history of MFP to have ever used these terms?
Have you never used any of these terms during your time on MFP?
How does using these terms in any way perpetuate their use?
Do you jump on everyone that uses any of these terms?
Also...where does it state on MFP that I have to verify with you or anyone else what terms that I use?
Surely...these terms are used quite frequently on MFP. Why does my usage of these terms perpetuate their use or have any adverse affects on the youngsters?
Title of the thread..."clean eating". How are we supposed to discuss the topic without referring to "clean eaters"?
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Eating a healthy diet is not an eating disorder.Sure it can work, but the question is for how long? The more foods and food groups you cut out of your diet because they've been arbitrarily labeled "dirty", the more difficult it is to adhere to your diet. When you inevitably find yourself in a situation where you eat one of those foods again (a friend's party, sporting event, night out, etc.) and you have one bite of your now forbidden food, you're going to binge on that food, and that is extremely unhealthy, and can develop into an eating disorder. Some clean eaters go a month without binges, some can go 6 months or even a year without binges, but in the end they all binge, it's only a matter of when. Don't become an orthorexic, create a healthy, sustainable diet that focuses on hitting healthy calorie and macronutrient goals, and not demonizing food groups.
Binging on junk food is not something that all healthy eaters do.
I realize that some people here have had eating disorders. Whatever they need to do to manage them is great and what they should do. However, not everyone has an ED.
Assuming that people without EDs will suddenly develop them because they chose to eat healthy food...as if that's some foregone conclusion...it's ludicrous.
Please do not demonize healthy diets.
I don't demonize healthy diets, I demonize irrational diets that aren't based on any sound science and lead to bad relationships with food...
But you have demonized healthy diets. Your comment about how a binge is inevitable is demonizing healthy diets. "Don't become an orthorexic," you say,
Eating healthy food is not an eating disorder. It's a good, healthy thing to do and you've demonized it with your incorrect (and unscientific) statements. "...in the end they all binge, it's only a matter of when."
You're demonizing healthy diets.
Actually he is correct, how many times do we see on these forums of people making threads that, "I keep binging because I restrict myself on not eating certain foods", etc, etc. Like many times a weeks or more.
Are these threads by people people who are trying to eat "clean" or cut food groups like people who are trying to go low carb? While I have seen these sort of threads, I don't associate them with "clean" eaters, but haven't been paying that close attention.
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For some people it is not unrealistic nor is it hard. If it is unrealistic and/or hard for you...then don't attempt it. Just don't judge others on what you can or can not do.
Oddly enough in my experience it is the opposite. The people who give their diets names like clean, paleo, south beach etc are the ones who have the issue. They can not control themselves around what you would call "dirty" foods so they choose diets that eliminates them altogether. That way, the thinking is taken out of the equation. The food is on the bad list so I don't eat it. If that is what you require to succeed then great! You have found what works for you. But make no mistake, it's not the food that is the problem, it is your inability to just have a serving, and go on with your life...0 -
For some people it is not unrealistic nor is it hard. If it is unrealistic and/or hard for you...then don't attempt it. Just don't judge others on what you can or can not do.
Oddly enough in my experience it is the opposite. The people who give their diets names like clean, paleo, south beach etc are the ones who have the issue. They can not control themselves around what you would call "dirty" foods so they choose diets that eliminates them altogether. That way, the thinking is taken out of the equation. The food is on the bad list so I don't eat it. If that is what you require to succeed then great! You have found what works for you. But make no mistake, it's not the food that is the problem, it is your inability to just have a serving, and go on with your life...
There are people who have a serving and go on with their life because if they don't, they feel they will end up binging. Even posters in this thread have suggested that if you don't include junk food in your diet, you will binge.
Many people use moderation to help them with their eating disorders. They simply cannot just remove certain foods from their diet, so they have a little of it to prevent themselves from binging.
It's not the method, it's the person. And Yes, it is great that all these people have found what works for them!0 -
For some people it is not unrealistic nor is it hard. If it is unrealistic and/or hard for you...then don't attempt it. Just don't judge others on what you can or can not do.
Oddly enough in my experience it is the opposite. The people who give their diets names like clean, paleo, south beach etc are the ones who have the issue. They can not control themselves around what you would call "dirty" foods so they choose diets that eliminates them altogether. That way, the thinking is taken out of the equation. The food is on the bad list so I don't eat it. If that is what you require to succeed then great! You have found what works for you. But make no mistake, it's not the food that is the problem, it is your inability to just have a serving, and go on with your life...
I would suggest that the people who get argumentative about what someone else chooses to call their diet, or what foods they choose to include or exclude, are the ones with the issue. Especially when the people in question are complete strangers.
Just the other day was a discussion on the forums about feeling pressured to by family to eat certain foods at a family event, and the general consensus was that it's no one else's business what you put in your mouth. So if that's the case, then no one should be asking anyone to justify their choices or reasoning in eating the food they eat, the way they want to eat it. Not everyone uses the same criteria and values when making decisions, and someone not doing it the way you do it, or arriving at their decision in a different way, doesn't make them wrong or mean that they have issues with food.0 -
For some people it is not unrealistic nor is it hard. If it is unrealistic and/or hard for you...then don't attempt it. Just don't judge others on what you can or can not do.
Oddly enough in my experience it is the opposite. The people who give their diets names like clean, paleo, south beach etc are the ones who have the issue. They can not control themselves around what you would call "dirty" foods so they choose diets that eliminates them altogether. That way, the thinking is taken out of the equation. The food is on the bad list so I don't eat it. If that is what you require to succeed then great! You have found what works for you. But make no mistake, it's not the food that is the problem, it is your inability to just have a serving, and go on with your life...
I don't think I've ever seen anyone who supports the concept of "clean" eating identify foods they don't eat as "dirty." I certainly don't. I call them "foods I avoid."
Like artificial colors. I don't buy foods with artificial colors, but when faced with a cake with artificial colors at a birthday party, I can certainly have one serving and get on with my life.
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kshama2001 wrote: »For some people it is not unrealistic nor is it hard. If it is unrealistic and/or hard for you...then don't attempt it. Just don't judge others on what you can or can not do.
Oddly enough in my experience it is the opposite. The people who give their diets names like clean, paleo, south beach etc are the ones who have the issue. They can not control themselves around what you would call "dirty" foods so they choose diets that eliminates them altogether. That way, the thinking is taken out of the equation. The food is on the bad list so I don't eat it. If that is what you require to succeed then great! You have found what works for you. But make no mistake, it's not the food that is the problem, it is your inability to just have a serving, and go on with your life...
I don't think I've ever seen anyone who supports the concept of "clean" eating identify foods they don't eat as "dirty." I certainly don't. I call them "foods I avoid."
Like artificial colors. I don't buy foods with artificial colors, but when faced with a cake with artificial colors at a birthday party, I can certainly have one serving and get on with my life.
I agree with this. I'm pretty old and I've heard the term clean eating all my life. I can't remember ever hearing the term 'dirty eating' or 'dirty foods' until I joined this site.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »For some people it is not unrealistic nor is it hard. If it is unrealistic and/or hard for you...then don't attempt it. Just don't judge others on what you can or can not do.
Oddly enough in my experience it is the opposite. The people who give their diets names like clean, paleo, south beach etc are the ones who have the issue. They can not control themselves around what you would call "dirty" foods so they choose diets that eliminates them altogether. That way, the thinking is taken out of the equation. The food is on the bad list so I don't eat it. If that is what you require to succeed then great! You have found what works for you. But make no mistake, it's not the food that is the problem, it is your inability to just have a serving, and go on with your life...
I don't think I've ever seen anyone who supports the concept of "clean" eating identify foods they don't eat as "dirty." I certainly don't. I call them "foods I avoid."
Like artificial colors. I don't buy foods with artificial colors, but when faced with a cake with artificial colors at a birthday party, I can certainly have one serving and get on with my life.
I agree with this. I'm pretty old and I've heard the term clean eating all my life. I can't remember ever hearing the term 'dirty eating' or 'dirty foods' until I joined this site.
Ditto. I've definitely only heard 'dirty eating' here, and I think only from people who are negative on the idea of 'clean eating.'0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »For some people it is not unrealistic nor is it hard. If it is unrealistic and/or hard for you...then don't attempt it. Just don't judge others on what you can or can not do.
Oddly enough in my experience it is the opposite. The people who give their diets names like clean, paleo, south beach etc are the ones who have the issue. They can not control themselves around what you would call "dirty" foods so they choose diets that eliminates them altogether. That way, the thinking is taken out of the equation. The food is on the bad list so I don't eat it. If that is what you require to succeed then great! You have found what works for you. But make no mistake, it's not the food that is the problem, it is your inability to just have a serving, and go on with your life...
I don't think I've ever seen anyone who supports the concept of "clean" eating identify foods they don't eat as "dirty." I certainly don't. I call them "foods I avoid."
Like artificial colors. I don't buy foods with artificial colors, but when faced with a cake with artificial colors at a birthday party, I can certainly have one serving and get on with my life.
I agree with this. I'm pretty old and I've heard the term clean eating all my life. I can't remember ever hearing the term 'dirty eating' or 'dirty foods' until I joined this site.
Ditto. I've definitely only heard 'dirty eating' here, and I think only from people who are negative on the idea of 'clean eating.'
What you typically here from the "clean eaters" are terms like junk, garbage, poison, crap etc...
I see it a lot.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »For some people it is not unrealistic nor is it hard. If it is unrealistic and/or hard for you...then don't attempt it. Just don't judge others on what you can or can not do.
Oddly enough in my experience it is the opposite. The people who give their diets names like clean, paleo, south beach etc are the ones who have the issue. They can not control themselves around what you would call "dirty" foods so they choose diets that eliminates them altogether. That way, the thinking is taken out of the equation. The food is on the bad list so I don't eat it. If that is what you require to succeed then great! You have found what works for you. But make no mistake, it's not the food that is the problem, it is your inability to just have a serving, and go on with your life...
I don't think I've ever seen anyone who supports the concept of "clean" eating identify foods they don't eat as "dirty." I certainly don't. I call them "foods I avoid."
Like artificial colors. I don't buy foods with artificial colors, but when faced with a cake with artificial colors at a birthday party, I can certainly have one serving and get on with my life.
I agree with this. I'm pretty old and I've heard the term clean eating all my life. I can't remember ever hearing the term 'dirty eating' or 'dirty foods' until I joined this site.
Ditto. I've definitely only heard 'dirty eating' here, and I think only from people who are negative on the idea of 'clean eating.'
What you typically here from the "clean eaters" are terms like junk, garbage, poison, crap etc...
I see it a lot.
Yep, I hear those. I even use all those terms except for poison. I think a lot of food is junk/garbage/crap.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »For some people it is not unrealistic nor is it hard. If it is unrealistic and/or hard for you...then don't attempt it. Just don't judge others on what you can or can not do.
Oddly enough in my experience it is the opposite. The people who give their diets names like clean, paleo, south beach etc are the ones who have the issue. They can not control themselves around what you would call "dirty" foods so they choose diets that eliminates them altogether. That way, the thinking is taken out of the equation. The food is on the bad list so I don't eat it. If that is what you require to succeed then great! You have found what works for you. But make no mistake, it's not the food that is the problem, it is your inability to just have a serving, and go on with your life...
I don't think I've ever seen anyone who supports the concept of "clean" eating identify foods they don't eat as "dirty." I certainly don't. I call them "foods I avoid."
Like artificial colors. I don't buy foods with artificial colors, but when faced with a cake with artificial colors at a birthday party, I can certainly have one serving and get on with my life.
I agree with this. I'm pretty old and I've heard the term clean eating all my life. I can't remember ever hearing the term 'dirty eating' or 'dirty foods' until I joined this site.
Ditto. I've definitely only heard 'dirty eating' here, and I think only from people who are negative on the idea of 'clean eating.'
What you typically here from the "clean eaters" are terms like junk, garbage, poison, crap etc...
I see it a lot.
What's odd about people on a weight loss site wanting to reduce junk food, aka "food that has low nutritional value"?
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And now we start the debate on nutritional value and try to define things that make no sense. Like calling pizza junk food, but lasagna with very similar ingredients is not...kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »For some people it is not unrealistic nor is it hard. If it is unrealistic and/or hard for you...then don't attempt it. Just don't judge others on what you can or can not do.
Oddly enough in my experience it is the opposite. The people who give their diets names like clean, paleo, south beach etc are the ones who have the issue. They can not control themselves around what you would call "dirty" foods so they choose diets that eliminates them altogether. That way, the thinking is taken out of the equation. The food is on the bad list so I don't eat it. If that is what you require to succeed then great! You have found what works for you. But make no mistake, it's not the food that is the problem, it is your inability to just have a serving, and go on with your life...
I don't think I've ever seen anyone who supports the concept of "clean" eating identify foods they don't eat as "dirty." I certainly don't. I call them "foods I avoid."
Like artificial colors. I don't buy foods with artificial colors, but when faced with a cake with artificial colors at a birthday party, I can certainly have one serving and get on with my life.
I agree with this. I'm pretty old and I've heard the term clean eating all my life. I can't remember ever hearing the term 'dirty eating' or 'dirty foods' until I joined this site.
Ditto. I've definitely only heard 'dirty eating' here, and I think only from people who are negative on the idea of 'clean eating.'
What you typically here from the "clean eaters" are terms like junk, garbage, poison, crap etc...
I see it a lot.
What's odd about people on a weight loss site wanting to reduce junk food, aka "food that has low nutritional value"?
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Yep...
And now we start the debate on nutritional value and try to define things that make no sense. Like calling pizza junk food, but lasagna with very similar ingredients is not...kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »For some people it is not unrealistic nor is it hard. If it is unrealistic and/or hard for you...then don't attempt it. Just don't judge others on what you can or can not do.
Oddly enough in my experience it is the opposite. The people who give their diets names like clean, paleo, south beach etc are the ones who have the issue. They can not control themselves around what you would call "dirty" foods so they choose diets that eliminates them altogether. That way, the thinking is taken out of the equation. The food is on the bad list so I don't eat it. If that is what you require to succeed then great! You have found what works for you. But make no mistake, it's not the food that is the problem, it is your inability to just have a serving, and go on with your life...
I don't think I've ever seen anyone who supports the concept of "clean" eating identify foods they don't eat as "dirty." I certainly don't. I call them "foods I avoid."
Like artificial colors. I don't buy foods with artificial colors, but when faced with a cake with artificial colors at a birthday party, I can certainly have one serving and get on with my life.
I agree with this. I'm pretty old and I've heard the term clean eating all my life. I can't remember ever hearing the term 'dirty eating' or 'dirty foods' until I joined this site.
Ditto. I've definitely only heard 'dirty eating' here, and I think only from people who are negative on the idea of 'clean eating.'
What you typically here from the "clean eaters" are terms like junk, garbage, poison, crap etc...
I see it a lot.
What's odd about people on a weight loss site wanting to reduce junk food, aka "food that has low nutritional value"?
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And now we start the debate on nutritional value and try to define things that make no sense. Like calling pizza junk food, but lasagna with very similar ingredients is not...kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »For some people it is not unrealistic nor is it hard. If it is unrealistic and/or hard for you...then don't attempt it. Just don't judge others on what you can or can not do.
Oddly enough in my experience it is the opposite. The people who give their diets names like clean, paleo, south beach etc are the ones who have the issue. They can not control themselves around what you would call "dirty" foods so they choose diets that eliminates them altogether. That way, the thinking is taken out of the equation. The food is on the bad list so I don't eat it. If that is what you require to succeed then great! You have found what works for you. But make no mistake, it's not the food that is the problem, it is your inability to just have a serving, and go on with your life...
I don't think I've ever seen anyone who supports the concept of "clean" eating identify foods they don't eat as "dirty." I certainly don't. I call them "foods I avoid."
Like artificial colors. I don't buy foods with artificial colors, but when faced with a cake with artificial colors at a birthday party, I can certainly have one serving and get on with my life.
I agree with this. I'm pretty old and I've heard the term clean eating all my life. I can't remember ever hearing the term 'dirty eating' or 'dirty foods' until I joined this site.
Ditto. I've definitely only heard 'dirty eating' here, and I think only from people who are negative on the idea of 'clean eating.'
What you typically here from the "clean eaters" are terms like junk, garbage, poison, crap etc...
I see it a lot.
What's odd about people on a weight loss site wanting to reduce junk food, aka "food that has low nutritional value"?
Both pizza and lasagna are more cooking methods than recipes with set ingredients. Both could be poor nutritionally and both could be good nutritionally. Though I doubt either would often be described as "packaged snacks".0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
And now we start the debate on nutritional value and try to define things that make no sense. Like calling pizza junk food, but lasagna with very similar ingredients is not...kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »For some people it is not unrealistic nor is it hard. If it is unrealistic and/or hard for you...then don't attempt it. Just don't judge others on what you can or can not do.
Oddly enough in my experience it is the opposite. The people who give their diets names like clean, paleo, south beach etc are the ones who have the issue. They can not control themselves around what you would call "dirty" foods so they choose diets that eliminates them altogether. That way, the thinking is taken out of the equation. The food is on the bad list so I don't eat it. If that is what you require to succeed then great! You have found what works for you. But make no mistake, it's not the food that is the problem, it is your inability to just have a serving, and go on with your life...
I don't think I've ever seen anyone who supports the concept of "clean" eating identify foods they don't eat as "dirty." I certainly don't. I call them "foods I avoid."
Like artificial colors. I don't buy foods with artificial colors, but when faced with a cake with artificial colors at a birthday party, I can certainly have one serving and get on with my life.
I agree with this. I'm pretty old and I've heard the term clean eating all my life. I can't remember ever hearing the term 'dirty eating' or 'dirty foods' until I joined this site.
Ditto. I've definitely only heard 'dirty eating' here, and I think only from people who are negative on the idea of 'clean eating.'
What you typically here from the "clean eaters" are terms like junk, garbage, poison, crap etc...
I see it a lot.
What's odd about people on a weight loss site wanting to reduce junk food, aka "food that has low nutritional value"?
Both pizza and lasagna are more cooking methods than recipes with set ingredients. Both could be poor nutritionally and both could be good nutritionally. Though I doubt either would often be described as "packaged snacks".
Neither would McDonalds be called "packaged snacks" but is usually the first thing that comes to mind when someone says junk food.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
And now we start the debate on nutritional value and try to define things that make no sense. Like calling pizza junk food, but lasagna with very similar ingredients is not...kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »For some people it is not unrealistic nor is it hard. If it is unrealistic and/or hard for you...then don't attempt it. Just don't judge others on what you can or can not do.
Oddly enough in my experience it is the opposite. The people who give their diets names like clean, paleo, south beach etc are the ones who have the issue. They can not control themselves around what you would call "dirty" foods so they choose diets that eliminates them altogether. That way, the thinking is taken out of the equation. The food is on the bad list so I don't eat it. If that is what you require to succeed then great! You have found what works for you. But make no mistake, it's not the food that is the problem, it is your inability to just have a serving, and go on with your life...
I don't think I've ever seen anyone who supports the concept of "clean" eating identify foods they don't eat as "dirty." I certainly don't. I call them "foods I avoid."
Like artificial colors. I don't buy foods with artificial colors, but when faced with a cake with artificial colors at a birthday party, I can certainly have one serving and get on with my life.
I agree with this. I'm pretty old and I've heard the term clean eating all my life. I can't remember ever hearing the term 'dirty eating' or 'dirty foods' until I joined this site.
Ditto. I've definitely only heard 'dirty eating' here, and I think only from people who are negative on the idea of 'clean eating.'
What you typically here from the "clean eaters" are terms like junk, garbage, poison, crap etc...
I see it a lot.
What's odd about people on a weight loss site wanting to reduce junk food, aka "food that has low nutritional value"?
Both pizza and lasagna are more cooking methods than recipes with set ingredients. Both could be poor nutritionally and both could be good nutritionally. Though I doubt either would often be described as "packaged snacks".
Neither would McDonalds be called "packaged snacks" but is usually the first thing that comes to mind when someone says junk food.
Probably so for many. One man's junk is another man's lunch.
For me, McD would fall into the crap/garbage category. Junk food to me to is stuff like chips and candy.0 -
I would suggest that the people who get argumentative about what someone else chooses to call their diet, or what foods they choose to include or exclude, are the ones with the issue.
I think discussions about word choice are totally valid and occasionally interesting ones. Why is this question off-limits when we are talking about a word used for a way of eating?
It's a choice to say "I eat clean" or "I don't eat unclean foods" vs. the many other more neutral ways of describing the same thing.Just the other day was a discussion on the forums about feeling pressured to by family to eat certain foods at a family event, and the general consensus was that it's no one else's business what you put in your mouth. So if that's the case, then no one should be asking anyone to justify their choices or reasoning in eating the food they eat, the way they want to eat it.
Questioning the label "clean eating" has nothing to do with questioning how others eat, let alone asking them to justify anything.
Indeed, if someone doesn't want to be questioned about how they eat and whether it's really as "clean" as they claim (since virtually everyone who insists that she doesn't eat 'processed' food does too), maybe it would make sense to not claim you eat "cleaner" than others.0 -
I think clean eating just means adding lots of vegetables and fruit and other whole foods. For me it includes no meat/dairy.
I think it can work, since if you for example replace a bag of chips with a bag of baby carrots you're still eating bulk but with loess calories. Overtime your body will adjust so the healthy food that used to be less appealing is now what you want to eat so you're able to satisfy without going way overboard on calories.
I don't see how clean Eating wouldn't work, since you should be replacing high calorie unhealthy food with lower calorie healthy food while still getting the bulk you need to feel full. In the end it's just another way to reduce your calorie intake.0
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