The low calorie liquid diet (LCLD) part 2
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IsaackGMOON wrote: »How many calories will you be consuming with this diet?
I consume roughly 1000 calories a day which is 200 under what women should take if dieting but it will only be for the first 4 weeks. Once they are over I'll be consuming more-2 -
I lost 12 pounds in two weeks in water weight just from restricting calories alone.0
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weezybeezy91 wrote: »
No, it's worse than the normal urge, and that's why it fails for a lot of people.
Once you start to eat it's like you've come out of a famine and you want to eat everything, especially carbs and sugar. My experience was of a 650 kcal a day liquid diet, so you may not be so bad if it's 1100-1200.
I've tried all sorts over the years, still fat.. I'm finally realising now that there is no easy option, quick fix etc.. it's all hard and ANY diet will work, you just have to stick to it.
Are you planning to exercise on this diet? and if so, will you be able to eat more?0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »I think eight days is a bit soon to declare that this works and the results will last. Most of us here have had experience with losing water weight quickly on very low calorie diets.
Well I've lost 7lb so it does work. If you're talking about long term effects that's in the article as I've already explained
Any time you lose that much weight in such a short period of time, a lot of it is going to be water. I'm sorry if that wasn't explained to you by your doctors.
It was explained but that won't stop me from smiling seeing that graph go down
You do realise if its just water weight then it will go right back up again once you restock on water?
OP see what you have to say about it in a year or two. Theres also more to it than just simple weight loss and many peopel decide getting fit and healthy with the benefit of exercise is also a good target. People who have lost weight here have done so using calorie counting and tradutional methods. Why did the Dr pit you on a vlcd with so little to lose?
I already have to consume atleast 2 pints of water a day.0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »I think eight days is a bit soon to declare that this works and the results will last. Most of us here have had experience with losing water weight quickly on very low calorie diets.
Well I've lost 7lb so it does work. If you're talking about long term effects that's in the article as I've already explained
Any time you lose that much weight in such a short period of time, a lot of it is going to be water. I'm sorry if that wasn't explained to you by your doctors.
It was explained but that won't stop me from smiling seeing that graph go down
You do realise if its just water weight then it will go right back up again once you restock on water?
OP see what you have to say about it in a year or two. Theres also more to it than just simple weight loss and many peopel decide getting fit and healthy with the benefit of exercise is also a good target. People who have lost weight here have done so using calorie counting and tradutional methods. Why did the Dr pit you on a vlcd with so little to lose?
I already have to consume atleast 2 pints of water a day.
That makes no different.0 -
If I recall correctly, the number of calories in this diet are somewhere between 1100 and 1200 per day. If you had eaten real food in that calorie range for 8 days, you likely would have the same results. There is nothing special about your liquid diet other than the fact that it requires you to do absolutely nothing in the way of gaining long term weight control skills.
Jem OK so if there's nothing special about it then why is it replacing weightloss surgery? I consume less than that btw.0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »Why would a hospital put you on this diet? Also, if you don't mind me asking, why were you in the hospital?
I was referred by my doctor after having no luck with losing weight. The hospital put me on the diet for 2 reasons:
1. To kick start weightloss
2. To consider me for biatric surgery, if they can't help me lose weight then this diet would be the one I'd need to go on before and after surgery so they need to know I can follow instructions
But if you're losing weight on a vlc, all liquid diet...then you would lose weight on a calorie deficit. Why not just put in the extra effort to learn the skills you will need to keep the weight off?0 -
I wish you the best of luck in your journeys. Most of us are concerned with losing fat and don't care much about losing water and muscle. If all you care about is the scale number, have a blast. I am guessing since you are considering surgery you are pretty heavy so I don't think an 1000 calorie liquid diet will do you much harm, but it does seem rather pointless. You could absolutely get the same, if not better, results from eating real food.0
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strong_curves wrote: »strong_curves wrote: »You won't be smiling if your hair falls out.
Why would her hair fall out?
Very low calorie diets done for long periods of time can cause hair thinning/loss.
Theres no record ( no data) that it happens with this diet, so its a bit general, It doesnt happen to everyone. Thye have made a focus of the diet being nutrient rich.
In balance the diet does look like a possible alternative v bariatric surgery. Its medically supervised so it has some credibility. Still bemused why someone with only 9lb to lose would be put on it as the aeticle suggests its for obese and severely obese patients, where the benefits of losing weight are significant.0 -
IsaackGMOON wrote: »This seems so miserable.
Well I don't feel hungry, just crave food. The only miserable thing about it is not being able to have alcohol
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Water weight is what is stored in your body, not what you actually consume.
Also, watch out for constipation... drink plenty of water and get some of those constipation things you pop up your bum.. sorry, but that's the reality after a few weeks... 0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »This seems so miserable.
Well I don't feel hungry, just crave food. The only miserable thing about it is not being able to have alcohol
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I'm not sure why you would want to go on a liquid diet of 1100-1200 calories when you can EAT and have the same affect though? I'm pondering that while choppin' down on some Popcorn...nom nom nom.0
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strong_curves wrote: »strong_curves wrote: »You won't be smiling if your hair falls out.
Why would her hair fall out?
Very low calorie diets done for long periods of time can cause hair thinning/loss.
My hair is thick and hasn't fell out as of yet. Please keep trying to think up more reasons to put me down it really is comical. You were on the first post being negative and after results and backed up research you're still trying.0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »strong_curves wrote: »strong_curves wrote: »You won't be smiling if your hair falls out.
Why would her hair fall out?
Very low calorie diets done for long periods of time can cause hair thinning/loss.
My hair is thick and hasn't fell out as of yet. Please keep trying to think up more reasons to put me down it really is comical. You were on the first post being negative and after results and backed up research you're still trying.
Hair falling out can occur months after you started.0 -
999tigger - I was part of a forum of people on liquid VLCD's and a lot of them had some hair loss, some people had permanent hair loss bald patches, extreme thinning.
I have fine hair already so I wasn't willing to take the risk.
Also, the hair loss happens when you start eating again, not when you are actually doing the diet. Lots of places say it grows back, it's just delayed etc.. but I've read first hand how people are suffering long term with hair issues.
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weezybeezy91 wrote: »strong_curves wrote: »strong_curves wrote: »You won't be smiling if your hair falls out.
Why would her hair fall out?
Very low calorie diets done for long periods of time can cause hair thinning/loss.
My hair is thick and hasn't fell out as of yet. Please keep trying to think up more reasons to put me down it really is comical. You were on the first post being negative and after results and backed up research you're still trying.
It sounds more like she's concerned about you doing this ridiculous diet, she's not putting you down. Everyone's asking you completely valid questions like "why not just eat the same amount of calories and learn how to manage your diet/weight?" How about you think on that, instead.0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »If I recall correctly, the number of calories in this diet are somewhere between 1100 and 1200 per day. If you had eaten real food in that calorie range for 8 days, you likely would have the same results. There is nothing special about your liquid diet other than the fact that it requires you to do absolutely nothing in the way of gaining long term weight control skills.
Jem OK so if there's nothing special about it then why is it replacing weightloss surgery? I consume less than that btw.
By nothing special, I meant that the liquid calories instead of solids are not what is causing the weight loss. You could be eating normal food and lose that weight.
I started cutting again last week too. I ate 1875 calories of real food and lost 4.4 pounds. You always have a big loss the first week or so. It's mostly water.0 -
Also, some people have no hair loss, so you might be okay, who knows.0
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weezybeezy91 wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »How many calories will you be consuming with this diet?
I consume roughly 1000 calories a day which is 200 under what women should take if dieting but it will only be for the first 4 weeks. Once they are over I'll be consuming more
I don't get the point. Why not just eat 1200 calories? Wouldn't that be much more enjoyable?0 -
strong_curves wrote: »strong_curves wrote: »You won't be smiling if your hair falls out.
Why would her hair fall out?
Very low calorie diets done for long periods of time can cause hair thinning/loss.
Theres no record ( no data) that it happens with this diet, so its a bit general, It doesnt happen to everyone. Thye have made a focus of the diet being nutrient rich.
In balance the diet does look like a possible alternative v bariatric surgery. Its medically supervised so it has some credibility. Still bemused why someone with only 9lb to lose would be put on it as the aeticle suggests its for obese and severely obese patients, where the benefits of losing weight are significant.
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shrinkingletters wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »This seems so miserable.
Well I don't feel hungry, just crave food. The only miserable thing about it is not being able to have alcohol
Feeling hungry and craving is two completely different things. I was full up but still fancied eating because I missed chewing0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »shrinkingletters wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »This seems so miserable.
Well I don't feel hungry, just crave food. The only miserable thing about it is not being able to have alcohol
Feeling hungry and craving is two completely different things. I was full up but still fancied eating because I missed chewing
Then why not eat? I just don't get it at all.0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »shrinkingletters wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »This seems so miserable.
Well I don't feel hungry, just crave food. The only miserable thing about it is not being able to have alcohol
Feeling hungry and craving is two completely different things. I was full up but still fancied eating because I missed chewing
lol so how are you going to go to social events like a birthday or idk.. family dinner, or something?
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weezybeezy91 wrote: »shrinkingletters wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »This seems so miserable.
Well I don't feel hungry, just crave food. The only miserable thing about it is not being able to have alcohol
Feeling hungry and craving is two completely different things. I was full up but still fancied eating because I missed chewing
So eat the 1000-1200 calories instead.0 -
kristen6350 wrote: »I'm not sure why you would want to go on a liquid diet of 1100-1200 calories when you can EAT and have the same affect though? I'm pondering that while choppin' down on some Popcorn...nom nom nom.
I've tried eating that many calories before an didn't lose anything
that's why I'm on this, it's drastic but I've tried so many other things. Geuss our bodies are all different. Also I have PCOS so it's harder for me to lose weight than anyone else 0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »How many calories will you be consuming with this diet?
I consume roughly 1000 calories a day which is 200 under what women should take if dieting but it will only be for the first 4 weeks. Once they are over I'll be consuming more
I don't get the point. Why not just eat 1200 calories? Wouldn't that be much more enjoyable?
It's the ketosis effect of the VLCD that makes it easier for people, similar to low-carb. Once you are into it full swing you find that you aren't actually that hungry, just crave real food, but sometimes that is easier than trying to control normal food. Taking you away from normal food can be quite helpful in controlling the food issue.
I totally see why people do it, the losses are great, the ketosis feeling is quite nice too, but long term I do think they are very bad for you unfortunately.0 -
999tigger - I was part of a forum of people on liquid VLCD's and a lot of them had some hair loss, some people had permanent hair loss bald patches, extreme thinning.
I have fine hair already so I wasn't willing to take the risk.
Also, the hair loss happens when you start eating again, not when you are actually doing the diet. Lots of places say it grows back, it's just delayed etc.. but I've read first hand how people are suffering long term with hair issues.
Due to having an ED in the past, my hair thinned by about half. I was lucky that I had pretty thick hair, so if you didn't know me before you wouldn't know...but, man, I miss my hair.
OP, warning you about the dangers of a VLCD is not "putting you down". But since you only came here to tell all the successful MFP members how wrong they are, please, carry on. Those who have already attained the goals you're after aren't worth listening to, after all. No, better to continue believing that you're a victim and everyone is out to get you because of your success.
I have no forum patience today.0 -
OK versa, obviously you have the experience. Not all diets will be the same though and I wonder why it affects some people and not others. The issue the Drs in the article face seems to be that traditional methods of dieting have failed and they are looking at as an alternative to bariatric surgery or the health complications of morbid obesity. I am still bemused why the OP should be on such an extreme diet. She's only 24 so that would explain some of her answers.0
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