The low calorie liquid diet (LCLD) part 2
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cmcdonald525 wrote: »I can only speak for myself on this, but I attempted a vlc diet during my first weight loss attempt. I wasn't at all educated on nutrition and didn't understand any of the health risks that went along with it. I wish I would have spent time in these forums back then, I probably would be at my goal weight already, through healthy means. I was eating 1000-1100 calories a day and lasted about 3 months. I managed to lose 30lbs and was THRILLED with the results, but I couldn't control my hunger any more and had more and more frequent binges. My hair fell out. My nails turned brittle. I developed a very unhealthy outlook on food. Finally I gave up and quickly regained all the weight. It took several months after that for my hair to start growing back.
These people are trying to help you understand that there are healthier, easier ways to lose the weight where you won't be miserable. I've been eating up to 1500 calories a day and rarely feel hungry at all. I'm learning what actual serving sizes look like and eating pretty much the same way I will be when I reach my goal weight. I'm not deprived, most of the time I don't feel like I'm on a "diet" at all. As tempting as it is to try to get the weight off as fast as possible, it's not always the best way
I'm so sorry to hear that you didn't have much success with it. I do welcome anyone with advice and I'm not just focused on hearing the positives, it's just the way people explain it. Theres no need to be rude. Obviously not you but that's the Internet I guess lol0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »Why would a hospital put you on this diet? Also, if you don't mind me asking, why were you in the hospital?
I was referred by my doctor after having no luck with losing weight. The hospital put me on the diet for 2 reasons:
1. To kick start weightloss
2. To consider me for biatric surgery, if they can't help me lose weight then this diet would be the one I'd need to go on before and after surgery so they need to know I can follow instructions
Okay your diet makes much more sense now. It's used for specific reasons. To see if you really want to lose weight. To prepare you for what will be your massively reduced intake. To shrink your liver so surgery is easier.
It's not the answer to weight loss but rather a tool for preparing you for surgery.0 -
I started at 16 stone, I'm now 2 stone lighter and still going, eating 1500 calories a day at least depending on exercise. It never occurred to me or was suggested by my GP to consider weight loss surgery. I'm happy, healthier and fitter and eat whatever the hell I want within my calorie goal.
I've also got 10 years on you, at your age I'd just be committing to tracking by using a food scale and measuring cups and getting a bit more active. I can't imagine having such extreme surgery at 24 or living on milk for a month.0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »999tigger - I was part of a forum of people on liquid VLCD's and a lot of them had some hair loss, some people had permanent hair loss
bald patches, extreme thinning.
I have fine hair already so I wasn't willing to take the risk.
Also, the hair loss happens when you start eating again, not when you are actually doing the diet. Lots of places say it grows back, it's just delayed etc.. but I've read first hand how people are suffering long term with hair issues.
Due to having an ED in the past, my hair thinned by about half. I was lucky that I had pretty thick hair, so if you didn't know me before you wouldn't know...but, man, I miss my hair.
OP, warning you about the dangers of a VLCD is not "putting you down". But since you only came here to tell all the successful MFP members how wrong they are, please, carry on. Those who have already attained the goals you're after aren't worth listening to, after all. No, better to continue believing that you're a victim and everyone is out to get you because of your success.
I have no forum patience today.
If you didn't like what I posted then simply don't read it.
Also I don't think you were here on the original post nor did you read the private messages I was sent?
Okay....If you don't like what others are saying to you, simply don't read it... ? Must be another rule that doesn't apply to you.0 -
thankyou4thevenom wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »Why would a hospital put you on this diet? Also, if you don't mind me asking, why were you in the hospital?
I was referred by my doctor after having no luck with losing weight. The hospital put me on the diet for 2 reasons:
1. To kick start weightloss
2. To consider me for biatric surgery, if they can't help me lose weight then this diet would be the one I'd need to go on before and after surgery so they need to know I can follow instructions
Okay your diet makes much more sense now. It's used for specific reasons. To see if you really want to lose weight. To prepare you for what will be your massively reduced intake. To shrink your liver so surgery is easier.
It's not the answer to weight loss but rather a tool for preparing you for surgery.
Well it is for weightloss too but not long term as that would be ridiculous. I won't go back to food straight away, just replace a pint of milk here and there for food until I can have 100% food0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »
Well low-carbing or whatever is just another way of restricting calories... which is the most essential part of weight loss.
Different methods of restricting calories are better, some are stupid, some are dangerous.
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CasperNaegle wrote: »Well I know it feels good to lose weight. The bottom line is you are consuming less calories than you burn and your body is reacting. Any diet that restricts calories will create weight loss. I hope you are able to get your weight loss healthy so you don't sacrifice muscle over the fat.
Thank you and me too. I put my full trust in the obesity clinic, I hope they help0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »
Simple CICO is what it all comes down to.0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »999tigger - I was part of a forum of people on liquid VLCD's and a lot of them had some hair loss, some people had permanent hair loss bald patches, extreme thinning.
I have fine hair already so I wasn't willing to take the risk.
Also, the hair loss happens when you start eating again, not when you are actually doing the diet. Lots of places say it grows back, it's just delayed etc.. but I've read first hand how people are suffering long term with hair issues.
Due to having an ED in the past, my hair thinned by about half. I was lucky that I had pretty thick hair, so if you didn't know me before you wouldn't know...but, man, I miss my hair.
OP, warning you about the dangers of a VLCD is not "putting you down". But since you only came here to tell all the successful MFP members how wrong they are, please, carry on. Those who have already attained the goals you're after aren't worth listening to, after all. No, better to continue believing that you're a victim and everyone is out to get you because of your success.
I have no forum patience today.
If you didn't like what I posted then simply don't read it.
Also I don't think you were here on the original post nor did you read the private messages I was sent?
Okay....If you don't like what others are saying to you, simply don't read it... ? Must be another rule that doesn't apply to you.
There's a difference to being rude on someone else's post and chosing not to comment on a post you don't like. Ofcourse I'm going to read what people are saying because it's my post lmao. I get a notification for it dear God...0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »thankyou4thevenom wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »Why would a hospital put you on this diet? Also, if you don't mind me asking, why were you in the hospital?
I was referred by my doctor after having no luck with losing weight. The hospital put me on the diet for 2 reasons:
1. To kick start weightloss
2. To consider me for biatric surgery, if they can't help me lose weight then this diet would be the one I'd need to go on before and after surgery so they need to know I can follow instructions
Okay your diet makes much more sense now. It's used for specific reasons. To see if you really want to lose weight. To prepare you for what will be your massively reduced intake. To shrink your liver so surgery is easier.
It's not the answer to weight loss but rather a tool for preparing you for surgery.
Well it is for weightloss too but not long term as that would be ridiculous. I won't go back to food straight away, just replace a pint of milk here and there for food until I can have 100% food
It's a tool that results in weightloss but it's actually preparing you for surgery. If they were going to prescribe you a diet to just lose weight they would have not given you that one. That one is for pre surgery patients.0 -
There is a difference between a medically supervised vlcd and self imposed vlcd. The latter is not allowed.techgal128 wrote: »
With the said. OP the reason a lot of people lose hair is the lack of fst in their diet. Fat is an essential nutrient which regulates hormone production. Having a diet that lacks in adequate amounts of fats can lead to issues such as brittle nails, skin issues (especially breakouts) and hail falling out.
The bigger issue with low cal diets are a few things (not that this will change your mind). You will increase the amount of metabolic adaptation from suppressing calories and the increased muscle loss from lack of protein. Essentially, your basal/resting metabolic functions will be lower, which also lowers your over total daily energy expenditure or maintenance calories. Lower maintenance calories makes it easier to gain weight.
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Also, since you had pcos did you ever do a low carb diet?0
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IsaackGMOON wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »shrinkingletters wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »This seems so miserable.
Well I don't feel hungry, just crave food. The only miserable thing about it is not being able to have alcohol
Feeling hungry and craving is two completely different things. I was full up but still fancied eating because I missed chewing
lol so how are you going to go to social events like a birthday or idk.. family dinner, or something?
It's only for four weeks, I'm sure I'll survive0 -
weezybeezy91 wrote: »
For women with pcos, a low carb or even ketogenic diet will be the one that produces the best results. In some cases, those with pcos also tend to have some level of insulin resistance which is why a lot of other diets fail. That is probably why you struggled in the past.0 -
Its interesting that you found out about PCOS a month ago yet 8 days ago chose a diet that has less application toward your particular condition.0
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Op this diet doesn't teach you the tools needed for long term success.
Many here have lost weight while eating the foods they love. They learned moderation and portion control.
Anyone can lay in a hospital bed all week and starve themselves on a vlcd. Anyone will lose weight that way so you did nothing special. No hard work involved .
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But with a medical condition, its another story. Some diets are better in addressing those needs.IsaackGMOON wrote: »weezybeezy91 wrote: »
Well low-carbing or whatever is just another way of restricting calories... which is the most essential part of weight loss.
Different methods of restricting calories are better, some are stupid, some are dangerous.
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I don't agree with what you're doing, but I'm also not a weight loss specialist at a medical clinic. It worries me that (beyond telling you not to exercise) they haven't explained any of the health risks to you; and quite honestly, it's worth picking up the phone and asking. You're 24, you can and should be your own advocate when it comes to your health. I know you're trying to do that by losing weight, but that's only one piece of the puzzle.
Follow your diet for a month, you're determined. See the results you want to see. But know those will not be the results that continue over time. I'm sure you'd like to lose the 98lbs you want to quickly; but the reality is, I'm 80 lbs down and look great because I lost my weight slowly; drop quickly and loose skin will be more of an appearance issue than the body fat ever was. It's all a balancing act.
I think what a lot of the "mean" posters are trying to get you to think through is that the immediate things we do have a long term effect on our bodies and often, our mental health. These people truly want the best for you.
I hope this diet gives you the results you want, I hope you take the time to learn healthy, positive habits, and I hope that the medical clinic starts giving you the crucial information they haven't bothered to.0
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