I called oatmeal cookies unhealthy and I got blasted - why?
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lovellm122 wrote: »CharonCharon wrote: »I stated they had butter, white sugar, flour, chocolate chips, ect.
I consider all these things unhealthy.
But a couple of people say everything is healthy.
Is my wording wrong?
What would be unhealthy to those people in a cookie?
BTW - I like to eat in volumes.
I have never been able to do portion control in my entire life.
Oatmeal is a food I can eat and be full and be happy without guilt.
I always get blasted also when i mention 'clean' eating and avoiding stuff like you mention. Seems everyone loves IIFYM (which i think is rubbish)
so....
Breakfast:
1/2 cup homemade pinto beans with a couple of eggs scrambled and some grilled chicken thighs, low sodium V8 and some coffee
Snack:
3 ounces blue berries
Lunch:
6 ounces shredded chicken with homemade salsa fresca, 1/2 avocado, 1 cup pinto beans and 4 ounces steamed broccoli
Snack:
1 nectarine and 1 ounces almonds, & whey protein supplement
Dinner:
6 ounces grilled cod, steamed brown rice, sauteed mushrooms and asparagus; 2 glasses wine
Desert:
2 of my wife's homemade chocolate chip cookies...
so in the context of my overall diet...my chocolate chip cookies @ desert are somehow a detriment? I think your logic is rubbish...
BTW...pretty fit guy here sitting at around 12% BF....
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lovellm122 wrote: »CharonCharon wrote: »I stated they had butter, white sugar, flour, chocolate chips, ect.
I consider all these things unhealthy.
But a couple of people say everything is healthy.
Is my wording wrong?
What would be unhealthy to those people in a cookie?
BTW - I like to eat in volumes.
I have never been able to do portion control in my entire life.
Oatmeal is a food I can eat and be full and be happy without guilt.
I always get blasted also when i mention 'clean' eating and avoiding stuff like you mention. Seems everyone loves IIFYM (which i think is rubbish)
So you don't know what IIFYM is? That's what I am getting....0 -
LOL. I'm not gonna get deep into it guys. If you wanna follow that system and it works well for you's and your happy then carry on making the great progress .... My personal opinion is that we should try and achieve our daily calorie limit and macros from the 'healthiest' sources of produce. Whats better for your body, heart, overall wellbeing, getting your macros from skinless chicken, tuna, spinach, salad, turkey, beets, broccoli; or cake, pizza, chocolate, cheese burgers, pop tarts etc? Its just my belief and its worked more than well for me. dropped 49 pounds of fat within the last 5 months and put 7 pounds of muscle on. I just dont believe in IIFYM or cheat meals and stuff like that. But if it works well for ppl and they are happy then carry on0
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lovellm122 wrote: »CharonCharon wrote: »I stated they had butter, white sugar, flour, chocolate chips, ect.
I consider all these things unhealthy.
But a couple of people say everything is healthy.
Is my wording wrong?
What would be unhealthy to those people in a cookie?
BTW - I like to eat in volumes.
I have never been able to do portion control in my entire life.
Oatmeal is a food I can eat and be full and be happy without guilt.
I always get blasted also when i mention 'clean' eating and avoiding stuff like you mention. Seems everyone loves IIFYM (which i think is rubbish)
Do you even understand how IIFYM works?? Basically 80 to 90% healthy and 10 to 20% treats, etc.0 -
20% treats isnt for me lol0
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lovellm122 wrote: »LOL. I'm not gonna get deep into it guys. If you wanna follow that system and it works well for you's and your happy then carry on making the great progress .... My personal opinion is that we should try and achieve our daily calorie limit and macros from the 'healthiest' sources of produce. Whats better for your body, heart, overall wellbeing, getting your macros from skinless chicken, tuna, spinach, salad, turkey, beets, broccoli; or cake, pizza, chocolate, cheese burgers, pop tarts etc? Its just my belief and its worked more than well for me. dropped 49 pounds of fat within the last 5 months and put 7 pounds of muscle on. I just dont believe in IIFYM or cheat meals and stuff like that. But if it works well for ppl and they are happy then carry on
so what you're saying...is that you actually have no fecking clue what you're talking about.....gotcha.
maybe you get blasted because you run your trap without actually knowing what you're talking about...just a thought.0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »LOL. I'm not gonna get deep into it guys. If you wanna follow that system and it works well for you's and your happy then carry on making the great progress .... My personal opinion is that we should try and achieve our daily calorie limit and macros from the 'healthiest' sources of produce. Whats better for your body, heart, overall wellbeing, getting your macros from skinless chicken, tuna, spinach, salad, turkey, beets, broccoli; or cake, pizza, chocolate, cheese burgers, pop tarts etc? Its just my belief and its worked more than well for me. dropped 49 pounds of fat within the last 5 months and put 7 pounds of muscle on. I just dont believe in IIFYM or cheat meals and stuff like that. But if it works well for ppl and they are happy then carry on
so what you're saying...is that you actually have no fecking clue what you're talking about.....gotcha.
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lovellm122 wrote: »dropped 49 pounds of fat within the last 5 months and put 7 pounds of muscle on.
Good numbers. I surpassed those numbers in 5 months eating IIFYM...
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lovellm122 wrote: »LOL. I'm not gonna get deep into it guys. If you wanna follow that system and it works well for you's and your happy then carry on making the great progress .... My personal opinion is that we should try and achieve our daily calorie limit and macros from the 'healthiest' sources of produce. Whats better for your body, heart, overall wellbeing, getting your macros from skinless chicken, tuna, spinach, salad, turkey, beets, broccoli; or cake, pizza, chocolate, cheese burgers, pop tarts etc? Its just my belief and its worked more than well for me. dropped 49 pounds of fat within the last 5 months and put 7 pounds of muscle on. I just dont believe in IIFYM or cheat meals and stuff like that. But if it works well for ppl and they are happy then carry on
Love the high and mighty attitude. /sarcasm
Lost 121 pounds basically doing the IIFYM. Reverse my heart disease doing so and have excellent blood work.0 -
lovellm122 wrote: »LOL. I'm not gonna get deep into it guys. If you wanna follow that system and it works well for you's and your happy then carry on making the great progress .... My personal opinion is that we should try and achieve our daily calorie limit and macros from the 'healthiest' sources of produce. Whats better for your body, heart, overall wellbeing, getting your macros from skinless chicken, tuna, spinach, salad, turkey, beets, broccoli; or cake, pizza, chocolate, cheese burgers, pop tarts etc? Its just my belief and its worked more than well for me. dropped 49 pounds of fat within the last 5 months and put 7 pounds of muscle on. I just dont believe in IIFYM or cheat meals and stuff like that. But if it works well for ppl and they are happy then carry on
If you believe in hitting your macros from "healthy" food sources then you're still following IIFYM.0 -
diannethegeek wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »LOL. I'm not gonna get deep into it guys. If you wanna follow that system and it works well for you's and your happy then carry on making the great progress .... My personal opinion is that we should try and achieve our daily calorie limit and macros from the 'healthiest' sources of produce. Whats better for your body, heart, overall wellbeing, getting your macros from skinless chicken, tuna, spinach, salad, turkey, beets, broccoli; or cake, pizza, chocolate, cheese burgers, pop tarts etc? Its just my belief and its worked more than well for me. dropped 49 pounds of fat within the last 5 months and put 7 pounds of muscle on. I just dont believe in IIFYM or cheat meals and stuff like that. But if it works well for ppl and they are happy then carry on
If you believe in hitting your macros from "healthy" food sources then you're still following IIFYM.
Shhhhh, he has already pretty much admitted without admitting that he doesn't actually get it...0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »LOL. I'm not gonna get deep into it guys. If you wanna follow that system and it works well for you's and your happy then carry on making the great progress .... My personal opinion is that we should try and achieve our daily calorie limit and macros from the 'healthiest' sources of produce. Whats better for your body, heart, overall wellbeing, getting your macros from skinless chicken, tuna, spinach, salad, turkey, beets, broccoli; or cake, pizza, chocolate, cheese burgers, pop tarts etc? Its just my belief and its worked more than well for me. dropped 49 pounds of fat within the last 5 months and put 7 pounds of muscle on. I just dont believe in IIFYM or cheat meals and stuff like that. But if it works well for ppl and they are happy then carry on
so what you're saying...is that you actually have no fecking clue what you're talking about.....gotcha.
maybe you get blasted because you run your trap without actually knowing what you're talking about...just a thought.
Yep, that's what I'm getting.0 -
lovellm122 wrote: »CharonCharon wrote: »I stated they had butter, white sugar, flour, chocolate chips, ect.
I consider all these things unhealthy.
But a couple of people say everything is healthy.
Is my wording wrong?
What would be unhealthy to those people in a cookie?
BTW - I like to eat in volumes.
I have never been able to do portion control in my entire life.
Oatmeal is a food I can eat and be full and be happy without guilt.
I always get blasted also when i mention 'clean' eating and avoiding stuff like you mention. Seems everyone loves IIFYM (which i think is rubbish)
Do you even understand how IIFYM works?? Basically 80 to 90% healthy and 10 to 20% treats, etc.lovellm122 wrote: »20% treats isnt for me lol
I follow IIFYM and I don't eat 20% treats. I rarely have a treat (except my one glass of wine in the evening). The beauty of IIFYM is that you eat however you feel the best, as long as your hit your macro targets. I choose to do it with mostly (probably 95%) nutrient dense whole foods. When i reach my goal and go into maintenance, I probably will be able to work more treats in. Of course for me, treats include things like nuts, peanut butter, etc.
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1) Honestly didnt intend/feel 'high might attitude. /sarcasm'. Was being genuine and honest.
2) Didnt mean to rustle any jimmies. (Ya dont have to act hard)
3) 'I surpassed those numbers', well done (srs)
4) The info i got on IIFYM was from the shredded 200 pound+ guys0 -
lovellm122 wrote: »1) Honestly didnt intend/feel 'high might attitude. /sarcasm'. Was being genuine and honest.
2) Didnt mean to rustle any jimmies. (Ya dont have to act hard)
3) 'I surpassed those numbers', well done (srs)
4) The info i got on IIFYM was from the shredded 200 pound+ guys
I don't think your intent matters in the least. The fact is you think differently than they so naturally your way is totally wrong and you must have a good ol' beat down until you surrender and think like them!
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cindyangotti wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »1) Honestly didnt intend/feel 'high might attitude. /sarcasm'. Was being genuine and honest.
2) Didnt mean to rustle any jimmies. (Ya dont have to act hard)
3) 'I surpassed those numbers', well done (srs)
4) The info i got on IIFYM was from the shredded 200 pound+ guys
I don't think your intent matters in the least. The fact is you think differently than they so naturally your way is totally wrong and you must have a good ol' beat down until you surrender and think like them!
That's just a wee bit hyperbolic, isn't it?
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diannethegeek wrote: »cindyangotti wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »1) Honestly didnt intend/feel 'high might attitude. /sarcasm'. Was being genuine and honest.
2) Didnt mean to rustle any jimmies. (Ya dont have to act hard)
3) 'I surpassed those numbers', well done (srs)
4) The info i got on IIFYM was from the shredded 200 pound+ guys
I don't think your intent matters in the least. The fact is you think differently than they so naturally your way is totally wrong and you must have a good ol' beat down until you surrender and think like them!
That's just a wee bit hyperbolic, isn't it?
Hahahaha sure, whatever you say! lol
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lovellm122 wrote: »1) Honestly didnt intend/feel 'high might attitude. /sarcasm'. Was being genuine and honest.
2) Didnt mean to rustle any jimmies. (Ya dont have to act hard)
3) 'I surpassed those numbers', well done (srs)
4) The info i got on IIFYM was from the shredded 200 pound+ guys
IIFYM doesn't mean just eat a bunch of *kitten*...you'd never hit any kind of respectable macro ratio if you did...any diet plan can be IIFYM...if you low carb and you're tryiing to hit a specific macro breakdown, guess what? That's IIFYM.
People use the concept in a variety of ways...most people who advocate for IIFYM eat very healthfully...they're just not afraid of having a cookie for desert and don't tend to demonize foods or groups of foods.
also, when speaking of matters of nutrition and fitness, context is very important...0 -
cindyangotti wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »1) Honestly didnt intend/feel 'high might attitude. /sarcasm'. Was being genuine and honest.
2) Didnt mean to rustle any jimmies. (Ya dont have to act hard)
3) 'I surpassed those numbers', well done (srs)
4) The info i got on IIFYM was from the shredded 200 pound+ guys
I don't think your intent matters in the least. The fact is you think differently than they so naturally your way is totally wrong and you must have a good ol' beat down until you surrender and think like them!
I got their system wrong; my view on it was not correct. They decided to tell me by acting hard and using insults. funny how ppl talk to each other on the internet and completely different in real life.0 -
cindyangotti wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »cindyangotti wrote: »lovellm122 wrote: »1) Honestly didnt intend/feel 'high might attitude. /sarcasm'. Was being genuine and honest.
2) Didnt mean to rustle any jimmies. (Ya dont have to act hard)
3) 'I surpassed those numbers', well done (srs)
4) The info i got on IIFYM was from the shredded 200 pound+ guys
I don't think your intent matters in the least. The fact is you think differently than they so naturally your way is totally wrong and you must have a good ol' beat down until you surrender and think like them!
That's just a wee bit hyperbolic, isn't it?
Hahahaha sure, whatever you say! lol
Do you honestly believe that my response about IIFYM was equivalent to a "beat down"? I agree that sometimes things get over the top around here, but I don't think that equating it with physical violence helps to calm anything down. But then, I guess that maybe that's not your intent.
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