I'm a geek: I read 2 atkins books this week.
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A lot of low carbers i've come across don't seem to read any book. Atkins was the one i read first when i was doing my experiment with low carbing. Atkins was very readable. A good salesman.0
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Patttience wrote: »A lot of low carbers i read don't seem to read any book. Atkins was the one i read first when i was doing my experiment with low carbing. Atkins was very readable. A good salesman.
A lot of dieters following specific diets don't seem to read the source materials for the approach they are using. It's not unique to low carb. The same for folks following specific workout routines like SL and NRoWL. Most folks have never seen the source materials.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I'm good either way. Just wanted to stress the importance of reading the original source, because MAN is atkins NOT what it's made out to be. :-) (which I suspected, of course)
Most people I see going on about bacon on low carb diets are, well, low carbers.
Having done paleo briefly, I know there's a backlash in the paleo world about how bacon is promoted by many as a healthy thing in paleo-land, and I'm not surprised there's such in low carb-ville, nor that it wasn't part of the original Atkins plan (in fact I knew that, since I recall when Atkins was big in the early '00s, just before the South Beach craze).
But here's a pretty good discussion between Taubes and another science writer that shows that Taubes does, in fact, promote a more stereotypical low carb diet (as do lots of low carbers I know, as I mentioned): http://bloggingheads.tv/videos/2981
I'm afraid I brought up bacon in this thread but I honestly am reading cookbooks on bacon.... But largely for my hubby. I have bacon a couple of days a week whereas he has it everyday even though he is not low carb. He loves bacon, and I figured if I could work bacon into more veggie dishes, he might actually eat veggies with me.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I'm good either way. Just wanted to stress the importance of reading the original source, because MAN is atkins NOT what it's made out to be. :-) (which I suspected, of course)
Most people I see going on about bacon on low carb diets are, well, low carbers.
Having done paleo briefly, I know there's a backlash in the paleo world about how bacon is promoted by many as a healthy thing in paleo-land, and I'm not surprised there's such in low carb-ville, nor that it wasn't part of the original Atkins plan (in fact I knew that, since I recall when Atkins was big in the early '00s, just before the South Beach craze).
But here's a pretty good discussion between Taubes and another science writer that shows that Taubes does, in fact, promote a more stereotypical low carb diet (as do lots of low carbers I know, as I mentioned): http://bloggingheads.tv/videos/2981
I'm afraid I brought up bacon in this thread but I honestly am reading cookbooks on bacon.... But largely for my hubby. I have bacon a couple of days a week whereas he has it everyday even though he is not low carb. He loves bacon, and I figured if I could work bacon into more veggie dishes, he might actually eat veggies with me.
I think most folks love bacon.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I'm good either way. Just wanted to stress the importance of reading the original source, because MAN is atkins NOT what it's made out to be. :-) (which I suspected, of course)
Most people I see going on about bacon on low carb diets are, well, low carbers.
Having done paleo briefly, I know there's a backlash in the paleo world about how bacon is promoted by many as a healthy thing in paleo-land, and I'm not surprised there's such in low carb-ville, nor that it wasn't part of the original Atkins plan (in fact I knew that, since I recall when Atkins was big in the early '00s, just before the South Beach craze).
But here's a pretty good discussion between Taubes and another science writer that shows that Taubes does, in fact, promote a more stereotypical low carb diet (as do lots of low carbers I know, as I mentioned): http://bloggingheads.tv/videos/2981
I'm afraid I brought up bacon in this thread but I honestly am reading cookbooks on bacon.... But largely for my hubby. I have bacon a couple of days a week whereas he has it everyday even though he is not low carb. He loves bacon, and I figured if I could work bacon into more veggie dishes, he might actually eat veggies with me.
I think most folks love bacon.
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I just finished The Roadmap to 100: The Breakthrough Science of Living a Long and Healthy Life. Emphasis on exercise and nutrition. Good read0
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The Great Cholesterol Myth. . .still reading. Recipes in the back remind me of Caldwell Esselsytn's book on reversing heart disease. Some of the recipes titles in the cholesterol book are funny...Super-Energizing Baked Beans, Zesty Digestive Herb and Cheddar Breakfast Muffins. . . .0
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I'm good either way. Just wanted to stress the importance of reading the original source, because MAN is atkins NOT what it's made out to be. :-) (which I suspected, of course)
Most people I see going on about bacon on low carb diets are, well, low carbers.
Having done paleo briefly, I know there's a backlash in the paleo world about how bacon is promoted by many as a healthy thing in paleo-land, and I'm not surprised there's such in low carb-ville, nor that it wasn't part of the original Atkins plan (in fact I knew that, since I recall when Atkins was big in the early '00s, just before the South Beach craze).
But here's a pretty good discussion between Taubes and another science writer that shows that Taubes does, in fact, promote a more stereotypical low carb diet (as do lots of low carbers I know, as I mentioned): http://bloggingheads.tv/videos/2981
I mentioned doing a low carb experiment (for menopause) in a group recently and was told I was going to be eating only protein and ruining my kidneys.
I see plenty of threads on here where non-low carbers say Atkins is all about meat.
I don't. I see keto people who do eat basically meat, though, and they talk about how carbs are not necessary at all (as if that was a reason to avoid them) and have discussed how the low carb group did a carnivorous challenge. Seemed weird to me, as the low carb people I've known off line (Atkins types or paleoish low carb) have been all about meat + vegetables. (They all tend to talk up bacon as one reason their diets are great, though.)0 -
Have you read the gut balance revolution? It was a choice between this the whole 30 or the exclusion diet (I forget the name but you took out food groups to find what foods make you ill) anso the adrenal diet looked interesting with a type of carb cycling.
I really liked the primal blueprint. I had been doing chris powell choose more lose more (carb cycling) and I had the okinawa program the spectrum diet and quite a few others ive collected but not quite reafd yet.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I'm good either way. Just wanted to stress the importance of reading the original source, because MAN is atkins NOT what it's made out to be. :-) (which I suspected, of course)
Most people I see going on about bacon on low carb diets are, well, low carbers.
Having done paleo briefly, I know there's a backlash in the paleo world about how bacon is promoted by many as a healthy thing in paleo-land, and I'm not surprised there's such in low carb-ville, nor that it wasn't part of the original Atkins plan (in fact I knew that, since I recall when Atkins was big in the early '00s, just before the South Beach craze).
But here's a pretty good discussion between Taubes and another science writer that shows that Taubes does, in fact, promote a more stereotypical low carb diet (as do lots of low carbers I know, as I mentioned): http://bloggingheads.tv/videos/2981
I mentioned doing a low carb experiment (for menopause) in a group recently and was told I was going to be eating only protein and ruining my kidneys.
I see plenty of threads on here where non-low carbers say Atkins is all about meat.
I don't. I see keto people who do eat basically meat, though, and they talk about how carbs are not necessary at all (as if that was a reason to avoid them) and have discussed how the low carb group did a carnivorous challenge. Seemed weird to me, as the low carb people I've known off line (Atkins types or paleoish low carb) have been all about meat + vegetables. (They all tend to talk up bacon as one reason their diets are great, though.)
I think most diet groups will discuss the positives of the diets. We low carbers appreciate our cheese, bacon, meats and creams. Sort of like how many who subscribe to moderation bring up the ice cream, chips, and cookies they eat.
We might as well enjoy the good stuff that works for us.
And, as a low carber, I tend to agree that carbs are not needed. Technically, if you eat healthy meats, fats, and eggs, and maybe dairy, they aren't needed. I tend to avoid them (ie. restrict them) because they mess with my blood glucose, and I prefer the taste of a snack of cheese over a snack of veggies. (I do still eat veggies though, and more than some of my higher carb family members.) Personal taste.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I'm good either way. Just wanted to stress the importance of reading the original source, because MAN is atkins NOT what it's made out to be. :-) (which I suspected, of course)
Most people I see going on about bacon on low carb diets are, well, low carbers.
Having done paleo briefly, I know there's a backlash in the paleo world about how bacon is promoted by many as a healthy thing in paleo-land, and I'm not surprised there's such in low carb-ville, nor that it wasn't part of the original Atkins plan (in fact I knew that, since I recall when Atkins was big in the early '00s, just before the South Beach craze).
But here's a pretty good discussion between Taubes and another science writer that shows that Taubes does, in fact, promote a more stereotypical low carb diet (as do lots of low carbers I know, as I mentioned): http://bloggingheads.tv/videos/2981
I mentioned doing a low carb experiment (for menopause) in a group recently and was told I was going to be eating only protein and ruining my kidneys.
I see plenty of threads on here where non-low carbers say Atkins is all about meat.
I don't. I see keto people who do eat basically meat, though, and they talk about how carbs are not necessary at all (as if that was a reason to avoid them) and have discussed how the low carb group did a carnivorous challenge. Seemed weird to me, as the low carb people I've known off line (Atkins types or paleoish low carb) have been all about meat + vegetables. (They all tend to talk up bacon as one reason their diets are great, though.)
I see it from both keto-ers and OFTEN from folks who don't know what low carb is. Keto being a particular variety of low carb, of course, where vegetables are more "optional", perhaps.
I would imagine it's a matter of perception as well. The folks who post pictures of sweets are often thought to only eat sweets or eat too many sweets.0 -
Sabine Stroe, that is GREAT and you have chosen some really good books. They are eye openers. Since you seem to have a good grasp on the concept, as do I, I am curious what stood out for you.
I have watched some great documentaries that have really changed how I think about food and dieting as well.
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My next purchase.
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My next purchase.
I'd never heard of that one, but I'm curious. I requested it from my library too.
I've never heard of Levinovitz either. It appears he is an assistant professor of religion who focuses on Chinese thought... I'm wondering how well researched his book is, or if it is largely a rant over dietary changes over the last few decades.
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The twist in the plot? ;-)echmainfit619 wrote: »Nearly all these books are trash. Just read The Martian. At least that book knows it is fiction from the start.
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I wondered the same...chinese philosophy and busting diet myths kinda seem an odd juxtaposition eh. I did skim through the book last time and what little I read seemed factual and not ranty. Do philosophers rant? lol
My next purchase.
I'd never heard of that one, but I'm curious. I requested it from my library too.
I've never heard of Levinovitz either. It appears he is an assistant professor of religion who focuses on Chinese thought... I'm wondering how well researched his book is, or if it is largely a rant over dietary changes over the last few decades.
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Now I'm feeling motivated to read some food and/or diet books.0
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I generally go with personal experience and will be trying things out. Moore (or Westman) says that too much protein can be bad for ketosis. However, Dr. Donald Layman's research on protein shows evidence that a certain protein threshold is needed for muscle maintenance or growth (which contain specified amounts of the BCAA leucine). I am going to review his study presented in 2013.
I do not maintain ketosis, however I eat at over 60% fat most days, letting carbs and protein be interchangable.
The only veggies I eat are broccoli, potatoes, avocadoes and spinach, as they are the most nutrient packed for the calorie (potatoes have potassium). I rarely eat fruit because of how my body responds to fat free sugars. Through my readings and experiences, I do agree with the authors that say sugar elicits a hunger response that challenges the psyche, and is the opposite of the response that fat induces.
When I am on a training regimen, carbs are reserved for recovery only.0 -
I haven't read the book, but I've read the author on Slate and heard him on this podcast: http://www.evilsugarradio.com/85-dr-alan-levinovitz-religious-ideas-in-diet-culture/876/ and generally liked him a lot. I'd be open to reading the book.
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Damn, I can't do podcasts. My internet is crap.0
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Now I'm feeling motivated to read some food and/or diet books.
And I am going to rewatch Dr. Layman's report of his clinical trials on protein synthesis, while eating some meat and cheese. I might have a couple questions for him (he responds to email, as he is a professor at the university where his lab is. How's THAT for a first-source?).0 -
Just remember that the #1 priority of a "diet book" is to sell the book.0
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RockstarWilson wrote: »I generally go with personal experience and will be trying things out. Moore (or Westman) says that too much protein can be bad for ketosis. However, Dr. Donald Layman's research on protein shows evidence that a certain protein threshold is needed for muscle maintenance or growth (which contain specified amounts of the BCAA leucine). I am going to review his study presented in 2013.
my take home message from Layman was to have ~25 grams of protein at a meal to exceed his "anabolic threshold". 3 * 25 = 75g per day wouldn't challenge most people's tolerance for protein while maintaining ketosis.
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Putting some of these in my reading queue. I've been meaning to read How to Have your Cake and Your Skinny Jeans Too. Anyone read this and would recommend it before I download it to my kindle? The sample seems good enough.0
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I've read so many diet book that I always end up more confused than before reading it0
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To me is like searching for the "magic pill"0
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Damn, I can't do podcasts. My internet is crap.
download the file overnight ? http://media.blubrry.com/evilsugarradio/p/www.evilsugarradio.com/podcasts/episode85.mp30 -
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