Low carb... Is it a diet fad?
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Wetcoaster wrote: »Fact or fiction? It's a real way to eat. I am not sure what you mean with that.
I don't think it is a fad. That would imply it is short lived and it was not an uncommon way to eat up into the 50s. Atkins has been around a few decades.
It can be good for those who need to reduce carbs for health reasons or enjoy eating that way.
Pros and cons are going to vary between people. I eat low carb and have for some months now. For me the pros are:- Improved blood glucose
- Improved autoimmune issues (pain reduction)
- Improved cognitive functions
- Improved energy
- Fewer headaches
- No more reactive hypoglycaemia
- Better skin
- Reduced appetite and cravings
- Easy to eat at a slight deficit and lose weight
- More regular
- Excellent food
- Improved blood lipids
The cons would be:- Inconvenience
- Ummmm......
Cons would be no yummy carbs
No yummy carbs? No no. This thread was about low carb diet and not a carnivorous, almost no carb diet.
I eat a very low carb, ketogenic diet yet last night I had green beans with butter, pork roast with some gravy, and a slice of carrot cake. There's a few things in that meal that qualify as yummy barely any carbs.Fact or fiction? It's a real way to eat. I am not sure what you mean with that.
I don't think it is a fad. That would imply it is short lived and it was not an uncommon way to eat up into the 50s. Atkins has been around a few decades.
It can be good for those who need to reduce carbs for health reasons or enjoy eating that way.
Pros and cons are going to vary between people. I eat low carb and have for some months now. For me the pros are:- Improved blood glucose
- Improved autoimmune issues (pain reduction)
- Improved cognitive functions
- Improved energy
- Fewer headaches
- No more reactive hypoglycaemia
- Better skin
- Reduced appetite and cravings
- Easy to eat at a slight deficit and lose weight
- More regular
- Excellent food
- Improved blood lipids
The cons would be:- Inconvenience
- Ummmm......
OP just putting a disclaimer here that this is great for this poster but does may not apply to you or the rest of the population ...
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Barely any carbs isn't yummy to me.
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Wetcoaster wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »Fact or fiction? It's a real way to eat. I am not sure what you mean with that.
I don't think it is a fad. That would imply it is short lived and it was not an uncommon way to eat up into the 50s. Atkins has been around a few decades.
It can be good for those who need to reduce carbs for health reasons or enjoy eating that way.
Pros and cons are going to vary between people. I eat low carb and have for some months now. For me the pros are:- Improved blood glucose
- Improved autoimmune issues (pain reduction)
- Improved cognitive functions
- Improved energy
- Fewer headaches
- No more reactive hypoglycaemia
- Better skin
- Reduced appetite and cravings
- Easy to eat at a slight deficit and lose weight
- More regular
- Excellent food
- Improved blood lipids
The cons would be:- Inconvenience
- Ummmm......
Cons would be no yummy carbs
No yummy carbs? No no. This thread was about low carb diet and not a carnivorous, almost no carb diet.
I eat a very low carb, ketogenic diet yet last night I had green beans with butter, pork roast with some gravy, and a slice of carrot cake. There's a few things in that meal that qualify as yummy barely any carbs.Fact or fiction? It's a real way to eat. I am not sure what you mean with that.
I don't think it is a fad. That would imply it is short lived and it was not an uncommon way to eat up into the 50s. Atkins has been around a few decades.
It can be good for those who need to reduce carbs for health reasons or enjoy eating that way.
Pros and cons are going to vary between people. I eat low carb and have for some months now. For me the pros are:- Improved blood glucose
- Improved autoimmune issues (pain reduction)
- Improved cognitive functions
- Improved energy
- Fewer headaches
- No more reactive hypoglycaemia
- Better skin
- Reduced appetite and cravings
- Easy to eat at a slight deficit and lose weight
- More regular
- Excellent food
- Improved blood lipids
The cons would be:- Inconvenience
- Ummmm......
OP just putting a disclaimer here that this is great for this poster but does may not apply to you or the rest of the population ...
Fixed.
fixed it for you
Barely any carbs isn't yummy to me.
Fixed it for you
Ditto, I can't stand low carb baked goods. The bread doesn't brown and any low carb baked good is pretty much like eating mud and feels like a rock in my stomach.
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Lyle McDonald has an interesting take......
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/ketogenic-low-carbohydrate-diets-have-no-metabolic-advantage-over-nonketogenic-low-carbohydrate-diets-research-review.html
"This study certainly has a couple of strengths, controlled calorie levels (with food provision) and equal protein intake between groups being the two main ones. Weaknesses are the small sample size and the use of Tanita body fat measurement to track body composition. Changes in water balance can affect that method significantly and diets that manipulate carbohydrate content tend to impact significantly on water levels in the body.
With that said, this study adds to the data set suggesting that, if calories and protein intake are identical, there is little to no metabolic advantage (in terms of fat or weight loss) to full blown ketogenic diets. They work at least as well, mind you, but not better.
Now, as I discuss in the series of articles on Comparing the Diets, there still may be circumstances where very-low carbohydrate/ketogenic diets may still be preferred, even given the researchers comments above.
For many individuals, the biggest ‘metabolic advantage’ of very-low carbohdyrate diets may be one of food/calorie control. Many people seem to show what might be popularly called ‘carbohydrate addiction’ (a term that is massively debated among obesity researchers) where eating even small amounts of carbs makes them want to eat more. In that case, a full blown removal of carbohydrates from the diet may be the only realistic way to limit caloric intake.
Related to this, for many, spending time on a very-low carbohydrate diet seems to change taste preferences: carbohydrates can often be reintroduced after some period without the loss of food control that occurred prior to the diet.
I mentioned in the introduction that severely insulin resistant individual seem to get health benefits from extreme carbohydrate restriction. For leaner dieters, as I discuss in both The Ultimate Diet 2.0 and The Stubborn Fat Solution, extreme carbohydrate restriction tends to help with stubborn lower body fat mobilization.
But clearly in other situations, moderate carbohydrates diets (still containing sufficient protein mind you) may be superior. For people who can control their food intake, many simply feel better with more moderate carbohydrate intakes, their training (especially high intensity training such as weights) doesn’t suffer as much, and they don’t feel quite as lethargic. Again, these issues are discussed in detail in the Comparing the Diets series.
I guess my point is that there is too much variance between individuals and their needs to claim that any single diet is inherently superior for all people and all situations. As this study suggests, given identical calories and protein intake, there doesn’t seem to be any inherent metabolic advantage in terms of total fat loss to a full blown ketogenic diet, at least not when compared to a moderate carbohydrate diet with an identical amount of protein.
As I’ve noted above, there may be other ‘advantages’ unrelated to fat loss that are still important. Basically, the choice of diet may come down to other issues than fat loss per se. A diet that makes someone feel terrible isn’t one that they are likely to stick to for very long; a diet that does is one that may be the ‘superior’ one for that person."0 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Point was that eating habits of people don't change much unless intentionally changed. If one eats within their calorie range with the variety of food they like and continue it for life, chances are their weight won't fluctuate as much either.
Theoretically yes. Put in practice, very often not. Above, I listed the foodz I very much like, and have eaten all my life. I don't moderate those foodz successfully - never have and never will. And I know I'm not alone in this.
Most people don't gain weight eating too many vegetables and fresh fruits. Something like chicken is easily overeaten when breaded and fried or drenched in a corn starchy gravy laden with sugar and soy sauce as in a Chinese restaurant. If that same chicken was not breaded or fried, not dressed with starchy gravy, not stuffed with Stouffer's and not soaked in a sugar sweetened marinade, the notion of overeating it would be far less attractive.
But I know you're not in my camp. So we'll agree to disagree.
Well, I agree that if all you allow yourself are foods that don't taste good, the notion of overeating would be far less attractive.
The problem with your argument is that there's plenty of highly palatable ways to eat chicken that are not breaded or fried, not dressed with starchy gravy, not stuffed with Stouffer's and not soaked in a sugar sweetened marinade. If it's tasty, some people will overeat it.
I'm not sure if you thought I was saying eating food that doesn't taste good is what enables one to not overeat food. I wasn't though.
Taking the chicken example. Here's a practically universally tasty way of eating chicken that doesn't involve marinade, breading, frying, gravy or stuffing.
One Kosher whole chicken leg with skin, placed in a small baking dish with a half a cup of water at the bottom. Bake without covering at 400 degrees Fahrenheit until skin is crispy, dark meat inside is tender and moist and the bottom of the baking contains a nice oily juice to pour over the chicken and accompanying vegetables, seasoned perfectly by the Kosher salting process. Compatible with Paleo, low carb and Keto. Delicious, but usually not a stuff-your-face-with-it-food-until-you-need-a-nap-or-an-ambulance, like Popeyes, Kentucky Fried, chicken fingers or Szechuan chicken.
And yes, yes, I know MFP is full of sane and moderated former chubs who luv to science and never did this in the first place. They got fat eating too many mangos, asparagus salad and oat porridge. But for the rest of us...
No, it looked like you were saying that the only way people would overeat chicken is if it had been breaded or fried, dressed with starchy gravy, stuffed with Stouffer's and/or soaked in a sugar sweetened marinade.
I'm saying it's just as easy to overeat roast chicken (for example). Lots of people love roast chicken as much or more than they do fried. People overeat what they find super-tasty. And if it's something they eat often they'll be getting fat on it.
ETA: TBH, all of those things you say are "stuff-your-face-with-it-food-until-you-need-a-nap-or-an-ambulance" - those are things most people I know would rarely overeat or even buy because they just don't taste that great to them.
ETA2: The most people I'm referring to - these are all overweight or obese people.
The only chicken I will ever consider eating is roasted or grilled skinless chicken breast, but that's just me. I have an odd aversion to the taste of most things meat so I don't represent the majority. Even if people tend to like fried chicken and the like, it's not the carbs, it's the taste and texture. When it comes to savory things, I have noticed that people tend to gravitate towards crunchy on the outside and/or "rich", both of which inherently need fat but not necessarily carbs. Many people I know would overeat steak given the chance if it was a convenience low priced item.
Just look at the serving sizes in steak houses for proof of this. Insane.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Point was that eating habits of people don't change much unless intentionally changed. If one eats within their calorie range with the variety of food they like and continue it for life, chances are their weight won't fluctuate as much either.
Theoretically yes. Put in practice, very often not. Above, I listed the foodz I very much like, and have eaten all my life. I don't moderate those foodz successfully - never have and never will. And I know I'm not alone in this.
Most people don't gain weight eating too many vegetables and fresh fruits. Something like chicken is easily overeaten when breaded and fried or drenched in a corn starchy gravy laden with sugar and soy sauce as in a Chinese restaurant. If that same chicken was not breaded or fried, not dressed with starchy gravy, not stuffed with Stouffer's and not soaked in a sugar sweetened marinade, the notion of overeating it would be far less attractive.
But I know you're not in my camp. So we'll agree to disagree.
Well, I agree that if all you allow yourself are foods that don't taste good, the notion of overeating would be far less attractive.
The problem with your argument is that there's plenty of highly palatable ways to eat chicken that are not breaded or fried, not dressed with starchy gravy, not stuffed with Stouffer's and not soaked in a sugar sweetened marinade. If it's tasty, some people will overeat it.
I'm not sure if you thought I was saying eating food that doesn't taste good is what enables one to not overeat food. I wasn't though.
Taking the chicken example. Here's a practically universally tasty way of eating chicken that doesn't involve marinade, breading, frying, gravy or stuffing.
One Kosher whole chicken leg with skin, placed in a small baking dish with a half a cup of water at the bottom. Bake without covering at 400 degrees Fahrenheit until skin is crispy, dark meat inside is tender and moist and the bottom of the baking contains a nice oily juice to pour over the chicken and accompanying vegetables, seasoned perfectly by the Kosher salting process. Compatible with Paleo, low carb and Keto. Delicious, but usually not a stuff-your-face-with-it-food-until-you-need-a-nap-or-an-ambulance, like Popeyes, Kentucky Fried, chicken fingers or Szechuan chicken.
And yes, yes, I know MFP is full of sane and moderated former chubs who luv to science and never did this in the first place. They got fat eating too many mangos, asparagus salad and oat porridge. But for the rest of us...
No, it looked like you were saying that the only way people would overeat chicken is if it had been breaded or fried, dressed with starchy gravy, stuffed with Stouffer's and/or soaked in a sugar sweetened marinade.
I'm saying it's just as easy to overeat roast chicken (for example). Lots of people love roast chicken as much or more than they do fried. People overeat what they find super-tasty. And if it's something they eat often they'll be getting fat on it.
ETA: TBH, all of those things you say are "stuff-your-face-with-it-food-until-you-need-a-nap-or-an-ambulance" - those are things most people I know would rarely overeat or even buy because they just don't taste that great to them.
ETA2: The most people I'm referring to - these are all overweight or obese people.
The only chicken I will ever consider eating is roasted or grilled skinless chicken breast, but that's just me. I have an odd aversion to the taste of most things meat so I don't represent the majority. Even if people tend to like fried chicken and the like, it's not the carbs, it's the taste and texture. When it comes to savory things, I have noticed that people tend to gravitate towards crunchy on the outside and/or "rich", both of which inherently need fat but not necessarily carbs. Many people I know would overeat steak given the chance if it was a convenience low priced item.
Just look at the serving sizes in steak houses for proof of this. Insane.
Pffft, like 32oz of pure bliss is insane.
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Shula steakhouse? What is wrong with 5 pounds of beef? Or is it 4?!? (I'm kidding)lemurcat12 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Point was that eating habits of people don't change much unless intentionally changed. If one eats within their calorie range with the variety of food they like and continue it for life, chances are their weight won't fluctuate as much either.
Theoretically yes. Put in practice, very often not. Above, I listed the foodz I very much like, and have eaten all my life. I don't moderate those foodz successfully - never have and never will. And I know I'm not alone in this.
Most people don't gain weight eating too many vegetables and fresh fruits. Something like chicken is easily overeaten when breaded and fried or drenched in a corn starchy gravy laden with sugar and soy sauce as in a Chinese restaurant. If that same chicken was not breaded or fried, not dressed with starchy gravy, not stuffed with Stouffer's and not soaked in a sugar sweetened marinade, the notion of overeating it would be far less attractive.
But I know you're not in my camp. So we'll agree to disagree.
Well, I agree that if all you allow yourself are foods that don't taste good, the notion of overeating would be far less attractive.
The problem with your argument is that there's plenty of highly palatable ways to eat chicken that are not breaded or fried, not dressed with starchy gravy, not stuffed with Stouffer's and not soaked in a sugar sweetened marinade. If it's tasty, some people will overeat it.
I'm not sure if you thought I was saying eating food that doesn't taste good is what enables one to not overeat food. I wasn't though.
Taking the chicken example. Here's a practically universally tasty way of eating chicken that doesn't involve marinade, breading, frying, gravy or stuffing.
One Kosher whole chicken leg with skin, placed in a small baking dish with a half a cup of water at the bottom. Bake without covering at 400 degrees Fahrenheit until skin is crispy, dark meat inside is tender and moist and the bottom of the baking contains a nice oily juice to pour over the chicken and accompanying vegetables, seasoned perfectly by the Kosher salting process. Compatible with Paleo, low carb and Keto. Delicious, but usually not a stuff-your-face-with-it-food-until-you-need-a-nap-or-an-ambulance, like Popeyes, Kentucky Fried, chicken fingers or Szechuan chicken.
And yes, yes, I know MFP is full of sane and moderated former chubs who luv to science and never did this in the first place. They got fat eating too many mangos, asparagus salad and oat porridge. But for the rest of us...
No, it looked like you were saying that the only way people would overeat chicken is if it had been breaded or fried, dressed with starchy gravy, stuffed with Stouffer's and/or soaked in a sugar sweetened marinade.
I'm saying it's just as easy to overeat roast chicken (for example). Lots of people love roast chicken as much or more than they do fried. People overeat what they find super-tasty. And if it's something they eat often they'll be getting fat on it.
ETA: TBH, all of those things you say are "stuff-your-face-with-it-food-until-you-need-a-nap-or-an-ambulance" - those are things most people I know would rarely overeat or even buy because they just don't taste that great to them.
ETA2: The most people I'm referring to - these are all overweight or obese people.
The only chicken I will ever consider eating is roasted or grilled skinless chicken breast, but that's just me. I have an odd aversion to the taste of most things meat so I don't represent the majority. Even if people tend to like fried chicken and the like, it's not the carbs, it's the taste and texture. When it comes to savory things, I have noticed that people tend to gravitate towards crunchy on the outside and/or "rich", both of which inherently need fat but not necessarily carbs. Many people I know would overeat steak given the chance if it was a convenience low priced item.
Just look at the serving sizes in steak houses for proof of this. Insane.
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Who said it's bad? ;-)
Insanely indulgent, sure.0 -
Did you say it is bad...or did I?!? Wait. Did anyone? OMG....can there a page of agreement on MFP?!!?!??lemurcat12 wrote: »Who said it's bad? ;-)
Insanely indulgent, sure.
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »Fact or fiction? It's a real way to eat. I am not sure what you mean with that.
I don't think it is a fad. That would imply it is short lived and it was not an uncommon way to eat up into the 50s. Atkins has been around a few decades.
It can be good for those who need to reduce carbs for health reasons or enjoy eating that way.
Pros and cons are going to vary between people. I eat low carb and have for some months now. For me the pros are:- Improved blood glucose
- Improved autoimmune issues (pain reduction)
- Improved cognitive functions
- Improved energy
- Fewer headaches
- No more reactive hypoglycaemia
- Better skin
- Reduced appetite and cravings
- Easy to eat at a slight deficit and lose weight
- More regular
- Excellent food
- Improved blood lipids
The cons would be:- Inconvenience
- Ummmm......
Cons would be no yummy carbs
No yummy carbs? No no. This thread was about low carb diet and not a carnivorous, almost no carb diet.
I eat a very low carb, ketogenic diet yet last night I had green beans with butter, pork roast with some gravy, and a slice of carrot cake. There's a few things in that meal that qualify as yummy barely any carbs.Fact or fiction? It's a real way to eat. I am not sure what you mean with that.
I don't think it is a fad. That would imply it is short lived and it was not an uncommon way to eat up into the 50s. Atkins has been around a few decades.
It can be good for those who need to reduce carbs for health reasons or enjoy eating that way.
Pros and cons are going to vary between people. I eat low carb and have for some months now. For me the pros are:- Improved blood glucose
- Improved autoimmune issues (pain reduction)
- Improved cognitive functions
- Improved energy
- Fewer headaches
- No more reactive hypoglycaemia
- Better skin
- Reduced appetite and cravings
- Easy to eat at a slight deficit and lose weight
- More regular
- Excellent food
- Improved blood lipids
The cons would be:- Inconvenience
- Ummmm......
OP just putting a disclaimer here that this is great for this poster but does may not apply to you or the rest of the population ...
Fixed.
fixed it for you
Barely any carbs isn't yummy to me.
Fixed it for you
Ditto, I can't stand low carb baked goods. The bread doesn't brown and any low carb baked good is pretty much like eating mud and feels like a rock in my stomach.
My carrot cake wasn't a low carb recipe. I just didn't eat much and scraped off some of the cream cheese icing - my mother makes it quite sweet.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »Fact or fiction? It's a real way to eat. I am not sure what you mean with that.
I don't think it is a fad. That would imply it is short lived and it was not an uncommon way to eat up into the 50s. Atkins has been around a few decades.
It can be good for those who need to reduce carbs for health reasons or enjoy eating that way.
Pros and cons are going to vary between people. I eat low carb and have for some months now. For me the pros are:- Improved blood glucose
- Improved autoimmune issues (pain reduction)
- Improved cognitive functions
- Improved energy
- Fewer headaches
- No more reactive hypoglycaemia
- Better skin
- Reduced appetite and cravings
- Easy to eat at a slight deficit and lose weight
- More regular
- Excellent food
- Improved blood lipids
The cons would be:- Inconvenience
- Ummmm......
Cons would be no yummy carbs
No yummy carbs? No no. This thread was about low carb diet and not a carnivorous, almost no carb diet.
I eat a very low carb, ketogenic diet yet last night I had green beans with butter, pork roast with some gravy, and a slice of carrot cake. There's a few things in that meal that qualify as yummy barely any carbs.Fact or fiction? It's a real way to eat. I am not sure what you mean with that.
I don't think it is a fad. That would imply it is short lived and it was not an uncommon way to eat up into the 50s. Atkins has been around a few decades.
It can be good for those who need to reduce carbs for health reasons or enjoy eating that way.
Pros and cons are going to vary between people. I eat low carb and have for some months now. For me the pros are:- Improved blood glucose
- Improved autoimmune issues (pain reduction)
- Improved cognitive functions
- Improved energy
- Fewer headaches
- No more reactive hypoglycaemia
- Better skin
- Reduced appetite and cravings
- Easy to eat at a slight deficit and lose weight
- More regular
- Excellent food
- Improved blood lipids
The cons would be:- Inconvenience
- Ummmm......
OP just putting a disclaimer here that this is great for this poster but does may not apply to you or the rest of the population ...
Fixed.
fixed it for you
Barely any carbs isn't yummy to me.
Fixed it for you
Ditto, I can't stand low carb baked goods. The bread doesn't brown and any low carb baked good is pretty much like eating mud and feels like a rock in my stomach.
My carrot cake wasn't a low carb recipe. I just didn't eat much and scraped off some of the cream cheese icing - my mother makes it quite sweet.
Ahh ok I'm feeling better now.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »Fact or fiction? It's a real way to eat. I am not sure what you mean with that.
I don't think it is a fad. That would imply it is short lived and it was not an uncommon way to eat up into the 50s. Atkins has been around a few decades.
It can be good for those who need to reduce carbs for health reasons or enjoy eating that way.
Pros and cons are going to vary between people. I eat low carb and have for some months now. For me the pros are:- Improved blood glucose
- Improved autoimmune issues (pain reduction)
- Improved cognitive functions
- Improved energy
- Fewer headaches
- No more reactive hypoglycaemia
- Better skin
- Reduced appetite and cravings
- Easy to eat at a slight deficit and lose weight
- More regular
- Excellent food
- Improved blood lipids
The cons would be:- Inconvenience
- Ummmm......
Cons would be no yummy carbs
No yummy carbs? No no. This thread was about low carb diet and not a carnivorous, almost no carb diet.
I eat a very low carb, ketogenic diet yet last night I had green beans with butter, pork roast with some gravy, and a slice of carrot cake. There's a few things in that meal that qualify as yummy barely any carbs.Fact or fiction? It's a real way to eat. I am not sure what you mean with that.
I don't think it is a fad. That would imply it is short lived and it was not an uncommon way to eat up into the 50s. Atkins has been around a few decades.
It can be good for those who need to reduce carbs for health reasons or enjoy eating that way.
Pros and cons are going to vary between people. I eat low carb and have for some months now. For me the pros are:- Improved blood glucose
- Improved autoimmune issues (pain reduction)
- Improved cognitive functions
- Improved energy
- Fewer headaches
- No more reactive hypoglycaemia
- Better skin
- Reduced appetite and cravings
- Easy to eat at a slight deficit and lose weight
- More regular
- Excellent food
- Improved blood lipids
The cons would be:- Inconvenience
- Ummmm......
OP just putting a disclaimer here that this is great for this poster but does may not apply to you or the rest of the population ...
Fixed.
fixed it for you
Barely any carbs isn't yummy to me.
Fixed it for you
Ditto, I can't stand low carb baked goods. The bread doesn't brown and any low carb baked good is pretty much like eating mud and feels like a rock in my stomach.
My carrot cake wasn't a low carb recipe. I just didn't eat much and scraped off some of the cream cheese icing - my mother makes it quite sweet.
Ahh ok I'm feeling better now.
I was...up until the part about scraping off some of the cream cheese icing.
What is the point of carrot cake if not all the cream cheese frosting?0 -
juggernaut1974 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »Fact or fiction? It's a real way to eat. I am not sure what you mean with that.
I don't think it is a fad. That would imply it is short lived and it was not an uncommon way to eat up into the 50s. Atkins has been around a few decades.
It can be good for those who need to reduce carbs for health reasons or enjoy eating that way.
Pros and cons are going to vary between people. I eat low carb and have for some months now. For me the pros are:- Improved blood glucose
- Improved autoimmune issues (pain reduction)
- Improved cognitive functions
- Improved energy
- Fewer headaches
- No more reactive hypoglycaemia
- Better skin
- Reduced appetite and cravings
- Easy to eat at a slight deficit and lose weight
- More regular
- Excellent food
- Improved blood lipids
The cons would be:- Inconvenience
- Ummmm......
Cons would be no yummy carbs
No yummy carbs? No no. This thread was about low carb diet and not a carnivorous, almost no carb diet.
I eat a very low carb, ketogenic diet yet last night I had green beans with butter, pork roast with some gravy, and a slice of carrot cake. There's a few things in that meal that qualify as yummy barely any carbs.Fact or fiction? It's a real way to eat. I am not sure what you mean with that.
I don't think it is a fad. That would imply it is short lived and it was not an uncommon way to eat up into the 50s. Atkins has been around a few decades.
It can be good for those who need to reduce carbs for health reasons or enjoy eating that way.
Pros and cons are going to vary between people. I eat low carb and have for some months now. For me the pros are:- Improved blood glucose
- Improved autoimmune issues (pain reduction)
- Improved cognitive functions
- Improved energy
- Fewer headaches
- No more reactive hypoglycaemia
- Better skin
- Reduced appetite and cravings
- Easy to eat at a slight deficit and lose weight
- More regular
- Excellent food
- Improved blood lipids
The cons would be:- Inconvenience
- Ummmm......
OP just putting a disclaimer here that this is great for this poster but does may not apply to you or the rest of the population ...
Fixed.
fixed it for you
Barely any carbs isn't yummy to me.
Fixed it for you
Ditto, I can't stand low carb baked goods. The bread doesn't brown and any low carb baked good is pretty much like eating mud and feels like a rock in my stomach.
My carrot cake wasn't a low carb recipe. I just didn't eat much and scraped off some of the cream cheese icing - my mother makes it quite sweet.
Ahh ok I'm feeling better now.
I was...up until the part about scraping off some of the cream cheese icing.
What is the point of carrot cake if not all the cream cheese frosting?
Some people don't like cream cheese frosting? I personally don't, if I make a cake, I put buttercream frosting on it.0 -
PeculiarLou wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
My understanding is the only reason a Ketogenic diet can work in losing weight is if that diet also puts you in a caloric deficit. Which is exactly what CICO is all about. Eat less than you burn. So, really, in order to work, Keto has to *also* be CICO. You cannot exclude it.Can you lose weight and become healthier with CICO?
Yes
Can you lose weight and become healthier with Ketogenics?
Yes
CICO, in and of itself, is not a diet. It's a proven scientific principle that has to form the basic premise of every single dietary weight loss vehicle in existence.
I never understand why people separate keto from CICO ....they are the same thing and operate on the same principle, with respect to weight loss.
For the same reason you argued for months that a low carb diet couldn't be IIFYM. These terms have a history on these forums and different connotations that people feel doesn't fit what they're trying to convey.
not sure how that is even remotely similar, but thanks for bringing up an old thread...
and for the record, low carb is not IIFYM...
I think it can be. They just choose different macros than us.
Agreed, it just needs to fit the low carb, high fat macro ratio...still fitting the macros
most people that do IIFYM view carbs as a filler and protein and fats are minimum ..
so I dont agree
I thought the clue was in the name? "If it fits your macros"0 -
juggernaut1974 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »Fact or fiction? It's a real way to eat. I am not sure what you mean with that.
I don't think it is a fad. That would imply it is short lived and it was not an uncommon way to eat up into the 50s. Atkins has been around a few decades.
It can be good for those who need to reduce carbs for health reasons or enjoy eating that way.
Pros and cons are going to vary between people. I eat low carb and have for some months now. For me the pros are:- Improved blood glucose
- Improved autoimmune issues (pain reduction)
- Improved cognitive functions
- Improved energy
- Fewer headaches
- No more reactive hypoglycaemia
- Better skin
- Reduced appetite and cravings
- Easy to eat at a slight deficit and lose weight
- More regular
- Excellent food
- Improved blood lipids
The cons would be:- Inconvenience
- Ummmm......
Cons would be no yummy carbs
No yummy carbs? No no. This thread was about low carb diet and not a carnivorous, almost no carb diet.
I eat a very low carb, ketogenic diet yet last night I had green beans with butter, pork roast with some gravy, and a slice of carrot cake. There's a few things in that meal that qualify as yummy barely any carbs.Fact or fiction? It's a real way to eat. I am not sure what you mean with that.
I don't think it is a fad. That would imply it is short lived and it was not an uncommon way to eat up into the 50s. Atkins has been around a few decades.
It can be good for those who need to reduce carbs for health reasons or enjoy eating that way.
Pros and cons are going to vary between people. I eat low carb and have for some months now. For me the pros are:- Improved blood glucose
- Improved autoimmune issues (pain reduction)
- Improved cognitive functions
- Improved energy
- Fewer headaches
- No more reactive hypoglycaemia
- Better skin
- Reduced appetite and cravings
- Easy to eat at a slight deficit and lose weight
- More regular
- Excellent food
- Improved blood lipids
The cons would be:- Inconvenience
- Ummmm......
OP just putting a disclaimer here that this is great for this poster but does may not apply to you or the rest of the population ...
Fixed.
fixed it for you
Barely any carbs isn't yummy to me.
Fixed it for you
Ditto, I can't stand low carb baked goods. The bread doesn't brown and any low carb baked good is pretty much like eating mud and feels like a rock in my stomach.
My carrot cake wasn't a low carb recipe. I just didn't eat much and scraped off some of the cream cheese icing - my mother makes it quite sweet.
Ahh ok I'm feeling better now.
I was...up until the part about scraping off some of the cream cheese icing.
What is the point of carrot cake if not all the cream cheese frosting?
Some people don't like cream cheese frosting?
I don't need that kind of negativity in my life0 -
juggernaut1974 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »Fact or fiction? It's a real way to eat. I am not sure what you mean with that.
I don't think it is a fad. That would imply it is short lived and it was not an uncommon way to eat up into the 50s. Atkins has been around a few decades.
It can be good for those who need to reduce carbs for health reasons or enjoy eating that way.
Pros and cons are going to vary between people. I eat low carb and have for some months now. For me the pros are:- Improved blood glucose
- Improved autoimmune issues (pain reduction)
- Improved cognitive functions
- Improved energy
- Fewer headaches
- No more reactive hypoglycaemia
- Better skin
- Reduced appetite and cravings
- Easy to eat at a slight deficit and lose weight
- More regular
- Excellent food
- Improved blood lipids
The cons would be:- Inconvenience
- Ummmm......
Cons would be no yummy carbs
No yummy carbs? No no. This thread was about low carb diet and not a carnivorous, almost no carb diet.
I eat a very low carb, ketogenic diet yet last night I had green beans with butter, pork roast with some gravy, and a slice of carrot cake. There's a few things in that meal that qualify as yummy barely any carbs.Fact or fiction? It's a real way to eat. I am not sure what you mean with that.
I don't think it is a fad. That would imply it is short lived and it was not an uncommon way to eat up into the 50s. Atkins has been around a few decades.
It can be good for those who need to reduce carbs for health reasons or enjoy eating that way.
Pros and cons are going to vary between people. I eat low carb and have for some months now. For me the pros are:- Improved blood glucose
- Improved autoimmune issues (pain reduction)
- Improved cognitive functions
- Improved energy
- Fewer headaches
- No more reactive hypoglycaemia
- Better skin
- Reduced appetite and cravings
- Easy to eat at a slight deficit and lose weight
- More regular
- Excellent food
- Improved blood lipids
The cons would be:- Inconvenience
- Ummmm......
OP just putting a disclaimer here that this is great for this poster but does may not apply to you or the rest of the population ...
Fixed.
fixed it for you
Barely any carbs isn't yummy to me.
Fixed it for you
Ditto, I can't stand low carb baked goods. The bread doesn't brown and any low carb baked good is pretty much like eating mud and feels like a rock in my stomach.
My carrot cake wasn't a low carb recipe. I just didn't eat much and scraped off some of the cream cheese icing - my mother makes it quite sweet.
Ahh ok I'm feeling better now.
I was...up until the part about scraping off some of the cream cheese icing.
What is the point of carrot cake if not all the cream cheese frosting?
Some people don't like cream cheese frosting? I personally don't, if I make a cake, I put buttercream frosting on it.
Go on...
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juggernaut1974 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »Fact or fiction? It's a real way to eat. I am not sure what you mean with that.
I don't think it is a fad. That would imply it is short lived and it was not an uncommon way to eat up into the 50s. Atkins has been around a few decades.
It can be good for those who need to reduce carbs for health reasons or enjoy eating that way.
Pros and cons are going to vary between people. I eat low carb and have for some months now. For me the pros are:- Improved blood glucose
- Improved autoimmune issues (pain reduction)
- Improved cognitive functions
- Improved energy
- Fewer headaches
- No more reactive hypoglycaemia
- Better skin
- Reduced appetite and cravings
- Easy to eat at a slight deficit and lose weight
- More regular
- Excellent food
- Improved blood lipids
The cons would be:- Inconvenience
- Ummmm......
Cons would be no yummy carbs
No yummy carbs? No no. This thread was about low carb diet and not a carnivorous, almost no carb diet.
I eat a very low carb, ketogenic diet yet last night I had green beans with butter, pork roast with some gravy, and a slice of carrot cake. There's a few things in that meal that qualify as yummy barely any carbs.Fact or fiction? It's a real way to eat. I am not sure what you mean with that.
I don't think it is a fad. That would imply it is short lived and it was not an uncommon way to eat up into the 50s. Atkins has been around a few decades.
It can be good for those who need to reduce carbs for health reasons or enjoy eating that way.
Pros and cons are going to vary between people. I eat low carb and have for some months now. For me the pros are:- Improved blood glucose
- Improved autoimmune issues (pain reduction)
- Improved cognitive functions
- Improved energy
- Fewer headaches
- No more reactive hypoglycaemia
- Better skin
- Reduced appetite and cravings
- Easy to eat at a slight deficit and lose weight
- More regular
- Excellent food
- Improved blood lipids
The cons would be:- Inconvenience
- Ummmm......
OP just putting a disclaimer here that this is great for this poster but does may not apply to you or the rest of the population ...
Fixed.
fixed it for you
Barely any carbs isn't yummy to me.
Fixed it for you
Ditto, I can't stand low carb baked goods. The bread doesn't brown and any low carb baked good is pretty much like eating mud and feels like a rock in my stomach.
My carrot cake wasn't a low carb recipe. I just didn't eat much and scraped off some of the cream cheese icing - my mother makes it quite sweet.
Ahh ok I'm feeling better now.
I was...up until the part about scraping off some of the cream cheese icing.
What is the point of carrot cake if not all the cream cheese frosting?
Some people don't like cream cheese frosting? I personally don't, if I make a cake, I put buttercream frosting on it.
If I make a cake, I eat it before it's cool enough to frost and eat the frosting after. Am I doing it wrong?0 -
BecomingBane wrote: »juggernaut1974 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »Fact or fiction? It's a real way to eat. I am not sure what you mean with that.
I don't think it is a fad. That would imply it is short lived and it was not an uncommon way to eat up into the 50s. Atkins has been around a few decades.
It can be good for those who need to reduce carbs for health reasons or enjoy eating that way.
Pros and cons are going to vary between people. I eat low carb and have for some months now. For me the pros are:- Improved blood glucose
- Improved autoimmune issues (pain reduction)
- Improved cognitive functions
- Improved energy
- Fewer headaches
- No more reactive hypoglycaemia
- Better skin
- Reduced appetite and cravings
- Easy to eat at a slight deficit and lose weight
- More regular
- Excellent food
- Improved blood lipids
The cons would be:- Inconvenience
- Ummmm......
Cons would be no yummy carbs
No yummy carbs? No no. This thread was about low carb diet and not a carnivorous, almost no carb diet.
I eat a very low carb, ketogenic diet yet last night I had green beans with butter, pork roast with some gravy, and a slice of carrot cake. There's a few things in that meal that qualify as yummy barely any carbs.Fact or fiction? It's a real way to eat. I am not sure what you mean with that.
I don't think it is a fad. That would imply it is short lived and it was not an uncommon way to eat up into the 50s. Atkins has been around a few decades.
It can be good for those who need to reduce carbs for health reasons or enjoy eating that way.
Pros and cons are going to vary between people. I eat low carb and have for some months now. For me the pros are:- Improved blood glucose
- Improved autoimmune issues (pain reduction)
- Improved cognitive functions
- Improved energy
- Fewer headaches
- No more reactive hypoglycaemia
- Better skin
- Reduced appetite and cravings
- Easy to eat at a slight deficit and lose weight
- More regular
- Excellent food
- Improved blood lipids
The cons would be:- Inconvenience
- Ummmm......
OP just putting a disclaimer here that this is great for this poster but does may not apply to you or the rest of the population ...
Fixed.
fixed it for you
Barely any carbs isn't yummy to me.
Fixed it for you
Ditto, I can't stand low carb baked goods. The bread doesn't brown and any low carb baked good is pretty much like eating mud and feels like a rock in my stomach.
My carrot cake wasn't a low carb recipe. I just didn't eat much and scraped off some of the cream cheese icing - my mother makes it quite sweet.
Ahh ok I'm feeling better now.
I was...up until the part about scraping off some of the cream cheese icing.
What is the point of carrot cake if not all the cream cheese frosting?
Some people don't like cream cheese frosting? I personally don't, if I make a cake, I put buttercream frosting on it.
If I make a cake, I eat it before it's cool enough to frost and eat the frosting after. Am I doing it wrong?
Only that you're going to all the work of baking the cake in the first place.
Frosting.
Spoon.
That's all you need.0 -
BecomingBane wrote: »juggernaut1974 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »Fact or fiction? It's a real way to eat. I am not sure what you mean with that.
I don't think it is a fad. That would imply it is short lived and it was not an uncommon way to eat up into the 50s. Atkins has been around a few decades.
It can be good for those who need to reduce carbs for health reasons or enjoy eating that way.
Pros and cons are going to vary between people. I eat low carb and have for some months now. For me the pros are:- Improved blood glucose
- Improved autoimmune issues (pain reduction)
- Improved cognitive functions
- Improved energy
- Fewer headaches
- No more reactive hypoglycaemia
- Better skin
- Reduced appetite and cravings
- Easy to eat at a slight deficit and lose weight
- More regular
- Excellent food
- Improved blood lipids
The cons would be:- Inconvenience
- Ummmm......
Cons would be no yummy carbs
No yummy carbs? No no. This thread was about low carb diet and not a carnivorous, almost no carb diet.
I eat a very low carb, ketogenic diet yet last night I had green beans with butter, pork roast with some gravy, and a slice of carrot cake. There's a few things in that meal that qualify as yummy barely any carbs.Fact or fiction? It's a real way to eat. I am not sure what you mean with that.
I don't think it is a fad. That would imply it is short lived and it was not an uncommon way to eat up into the 50s. Atkins has been around a few decades.
It can be good for those who need to reduce carbs for health reasons or enjoy eating that way.
Pros and cons are going to vary between people. I eat low carb and have for some months now. For me the pros are:- Improved blood glucose
- Improved autoimmune issues (pain reduction)
- Improved cognitive functions
- Improved energy
- Fewer headaches
- No more reactive hypoglycaemia
- Better skin
- Reduced appetite and cravings
- Easy to eat at a slight deficit and lose weight
- More regular
- Excellent food
- Improved blood lipids
The cons would be:- Inconvenience
- Ummmm......
OP just putting a disclaimer here that this is great for this poster but does may not apply to you or the rest of the population ...
Fixed.
fixed it for you
Barely any carbs isn't yummy to me.
Fixed it for you
Ditto, I can't stand low carb baked goods. The bread doesn't brown and any low carb baked good is pretty much like eating mud and feels like a rock in my stomach.
My carrot cake wasn't a low carb recipe. I just didn't eat much and scraped off some of the cream cheese icing - my mother makes it quite sweet.
Ahh ok I'm feeling better now.
I was...up until the part about scraping off some of the cream cheese icing.
What is the point of carrot cake if not all the cream cheese frosting?
Some people don't like cream cheese frosting? I personally don't, if I make a cake, I put buttercream frosting on it.
If I make a cake, I eat it before it's cool enough to frost and eat the frosting after. Am I doing it wrong?
If I make a cake......Oh yeah I don't..0 -
BecomingBane wrote: »juggernaut1974 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »Fact or fiction? It's a real way to eat. I am not sure what you mean with that.
I don't think it is a fad. That would imply it is short lived and it was not an uncommon way to eat up into the 50s. Atkins has been around a few decades.
It can be good for those who need to reduce carbs for health reasons or enjoy eating that way.
Pros and cons are going to vary between people. I eat low carb and have for some months now. For me the pros are:- Improved blood glucose
- Improved autoimmune issues (pain reduction)
- Improved cognitive functions
- Improved energy
- Fewer headaches
- No more reactive hypoglycaemia
- Better skin
- Reduced appetite and cravings
- Easy to eat at a slight deficit and lose weight
- More regular
- Excellent food
- Improved blood lipids
The cons would be:- Inconvenience
- Ummmm......
Cons would be no yummy carbs
No yummy carbs? No no. This thread was about low carb diet and not a carnivorous, almost no carb diet.
I eat a very low carb, ketogenic diet yet last night I had green beans with butter, pork roast with some gravy, and a slice of carrot cake. There's a few things in that meal that qualify as yummy barely any carbs.Fact or fiction? It's a real way to eat. I am not sure what you mean with that.
I don't think it is a fad. That would imply it is short lived and it was not an uncommon way to eat up into the 50s. Atkins has been around a few decades.
It can be good for those who need to reduce carbs for health reasons or enjoy eating that way.
Pros and cons are going to vary between people. I eat low carb and have for some months now. For me the pros are:- Improved blood glucose
- Improved autoimmune issues (pain reduction)
- Improved cognitive functions
- Improved energy
- Fewer headaches
- No more reactive hypoglycaemia
- Better skin
- Reduced appetite and cravings
- Easy to eat at a slight deficit and lose weight
- More regular
- Excellent food
- Improved blood lipids
The cons would be:- Inconvenience
- Ummmm......
OP just putting a disclaimer here that this is great for this poster but does may not apply to you or the rest of the population ...
Fixed.
fixed it for you
Barely any carbs isn't yummy to me.
Fixed it for you
Ditto, I can't stand low carb baked goods. The bread doesn't brown and any low carb baked good is pretty much like eating mud and feels like a rock in my stomach.
My carrot cake wasn't a low carb recipe. I just didn't eat much and scraped off some of the cream cheese icing - my mother makes it quite sweet.
Ahh ok I'm feeling better now.
I was...up until the part about scraping off some of the cream cheese icing.
What is the point of carrot cake if not all the cream cheese frosting?
Some people don't like cream cheese frosting? I personally don't, if I make a cake, I put buttercream frosting on it.
If I make a cake, I eat it before it's cool enough to frost and eat the frosting after. Am I doing it wrong?
You mean there ARE other methods?0 -
now I want carrot cake...0
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