Eating poop for weight loss?!?!
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rainbowbow wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »The article makes it sound as if the diet you eat leads to the particular gut population you have. One example of this is how immediately going from low veg or low fiber diets to higher ones can lead to intestinal troubles, but once you adjust you are able to deal easily (if otherwise healthy). Same with other situations where humans initially have trouble with and then adapt to new foods (some discussed in Matt Fitzgerald's Diet Cults). Thus, for the average person who is obese and has been eating a poor diet, a fecal pill (ugh) seems like a short cut past the need to just change your diet and eat better. I wouldn't do it. I'd much rather do the work of fixing it through other means.
The exception would be if there was some internal problem leading to the issue or perhaps where one has killed off too many of them to repopulate through other means (as a side effect to extensive antibiotic use or some such, I suppose).
to be fair, it can also be done viacolonoscopy, endoscopy, sigmoidoscopy, or enema. If the swallowing thing is the specific gross factor.
If necessary I could apply it as a suppository but not orally.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »The article makes it sound as if the diet you eat leads to the particular gut population you have. One example of this is how immediately going from low veg or low fiber diets to higher ones can lead to intestinal troubles, but once you adjust you are able to deal easily (if otherwise healthy). Same with other situations where humans initially have trouble with and then adapt to new foods (some discussed in Matt Fitzgerald's Diet Cults). Thus, for the average person who is obese and has been eating a poor diet, a fecal pill (ugh) seems like a short cut past the need to just change your diet and eat better. I wouldn't do it. I'd much rather do the work of fixing it through other means.
The exception would be if there was some internal problem leading to the issue or perhaps where one has killed off too many of them to repopulate through other means (as a side effect to extensive antibiotic use or some such, I suppose).
to be fair, it can also be done viacolonoscopy, endoscopy, sigmoidoscopy, or enema. If the swallowing thing is the specific gross factor.
It just seems like a quick fix -- if someone has problems with their gut population due to a poor diet, then taking a pill to fix it seems like a bad way out (and likely to be a waste if the person kept eating the same way). I'd feel differently if the problems resulted from another cause.
Also, the whole thing seems disgusting to me, however it gets there, even though I understand it can be a legitimate therapeutic procedure and wouldn't let my squick factor govern in the case of illness (and the various other conditions you mentioned).
But the world obviously needs quick fixes. The hard way only works if you are willing to put in the work. I think it should be pretty obvious that a whole lot of people are not. And really, what's wrong with a quick fix? We have quick fixes for many things that used require a lot of work. Welcome to the future.
Interesting tidbit: I have a close relative with a special needs child that has had fecal transplants. I sent her this link and she said she already knew about it. She said her child's doctor told her about it and that they were looking at the same type of pill as an alternative to fecal transplants. Apparently many people refuse them because they don't like the current method of delivery. The hospital seems to think they'd be more receptive to swallowing the poo.0 -
I would rather be fat.0
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I wouldn't do it even if it dropped me to my goal weight in a second. But, I did hear studies about transplants in unhealthy colons from Joe Rogan. But, that's joe rogan0
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My guinea pigs ate each other's poop for health. I am not a guinea pig in the figurative or literal. I will leave the human trials to someone else, I plan to continue with the more palatable plan of eating less and moving more.0
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I can't wait to see the infomercial on that one. The most exciting and innovative weight loss tool on the market -
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oh... kay.... anyone who would do this needs to be institutionalized. I hate starving myself but eating crap is definitely 100 times worse!0
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My friend and I are discussing this between our tears of laughter...
What do your burps smell like??0 -
chunky_pinup wrote: »My friend and I are discussing this between our tears of laughter...
What do your burps smell like??
Fish burps would be a blessing.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »The article makes it sound as if the diet you eat leads to the particular gut population you have. One example of this is how immediately going from low veg or low fiber diets to higher ones can lead to intestinal troubles, but once you adjust you are able to deal easily (if otherwise healthy). Same with other situations where humans initially have trouble with and then adapt to new foods (some discussed in Matt Fitzgerald's Diet Cults). Thus, for the average person who is obese and has been eating a poor diet, a fecal pill (ugh) seems like a short cut past the need to just change your diet and eat better. I wouldn't do it. I'd much rather do the work of fixing it through other means.
The exception would be if there was some internal problem leading to the issue or perhaps where one has killed off too many of them to repopulate through other means (as a side effect to extensive antibiotic use or some such, I suppose).
to be fair, it can also be done viacolonoscopy, endoscopy, sigmoidoscopy, or enema. If the swallowing thing is the specific gross factor.
It just seems like a quick fix -- if someone has problems with their gut population due to a poor diet, then taking a pill to fix it seems like a bad way out (and likely to be a waste if the person kept eating the same way). I'd feel differently if the problems resulted from another cause.
Also, the whole thing seems disgusting to me, however it gets there, even though I understand it can be a legitimate therapeutic procedure and wouldn't let my squick factor govern in the case of illness (and the various other conditions you mentioned).
But the world obviously needs quick fixes. The hard way only works if you are willing to put in the work. I think it should be pretty obvious that a whole lot of people are not. And really, what's wrong with a quick fix? We have quick fixes for many things that used require a lot of work. Welcome to the future.
Oh, I'm definitely not saying it's totally rational, but I just disapprove so deeply of the quick fix mentality. (I don't approve of appetite suppressants either.) Either be willing to do what is required or admit you are choosing not to lose the weight.
I also think people can learn to adjust to this weird environment of easy/cheap calories. That we haven't yet when it's still relatively new doesn't mean we cannot. Beats having to eat more poo every year or two because you don't want to eat a sensible diet.0 -
wow another great marketing idea....if it goes through they can have nut flavored, extra green, corn-filled, and runny....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQVbaTYGZXE start at 1:08
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Second harvest or gtfo0
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »The article makes it sound as if the diet you eat leads to the particular gut population you have. One example of this is how immediately going from low veg or low fiber diets to higher ones can lead to intestinal troubles, but once you adjust you are able to deal easily (if otherwise healthy). Same with other situations where humans initially have trouble with and then adapt to new foods (some discussed in Matt Fitzgerald's Diet Cults). Thus, for the average person who is obese and has been eating a poor diet, a fecal pill (ugh) seems like a short cut past the need to just change your diet and eat better. I wouldn't do it. I'd much rather do the work of fixing it through other means.
The exception would be if there was some internal problem leading to the issue or perhaps where one has killed off too many of them to repopulate through other means (as a side effect to extensive antibiotic use or some such, I suppose).
to be fair, it can also be done viacolonoscopy, endoscopy, sigmoidoscopy, or enema. If the swallowing thing is the specific gross factor.
It just seems like a quick fix -- if someone has problems with their gut population due to a poor diet, then taking a pill to fix it seems like a bad way out (and likely to be a waste if the person kept eating the same way). I'd feel differently if the problems resulted from another cause.
Also, the whole thing seems disgusting to me, however it gets there, even though I understand it can be a legitimate therapeutic procedure and wouldn't let my squick factor govern in the case of illness (and the various other conditions you mentioned).
But the world obviously needs quick fixes. The hard way only works if you are willing to put in the work. I think it should be pretty obvious that a whole lot of people are not. And really, what's wrong with a quick fix? We have quick fixes for many things that used require a lot of work. Welcome to the future.
Oh, I'm definitely not saying it's totally rational, but I just disapprove so deeply of the quick fix mentality. (I don't approve of appetite suppressants either.) Either be willing to do what is required or admit you are choosing not to lose the weight.
Wow. No offense, but the people looking for quick fixes probably don't care if you approve. Nor should they.
It's not as if the it is a magic pill that will allow you lose weight while eating at a surplus. Sensible eating would still be required.0 -
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and I was wondering what do with my excess poo....0
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htimpaired wrote: »
Did you try and double flush?0 -
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Why, WHY would anyone want to take it orally?! Sometimes a suppository IS the lesser of the two evils.0
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chunky_pinup wrote: »Too bad it's not vegan.
I guess that's an interesting point.
Is a poop pill from a vegan, ok for vegans to take?
Vegans seem to be against eating animals or animal products, but they aren't against babies drinking breast milk etc
So cow milk is a no no but human milk is ok. So is human poop ok also. No cute furry animals were harmed, caged, used, killed.
I guess poop pills would be similar to ice cream made from human breast milk, is that ok for vegans?
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MikeSanchez2323 wrote: »I googled it, and this is just one of the articles I found talking about a new study to see if it would help with weight loss. It is different than what has been done for years with fecal transplants, this would be taking it orally in capsule form for weight loss. They haven't started the study yet, but it looks like you can still sign up! haha https://www.myliporidex.com/blog/should_you_eat_poop_to_lose_weight/
What is even crazier to me about this besides the fact that it even exists, is that this article has a place for you to sign up for the "trial." Ummm even if eating *kitten* were proven beyond a doubt to make me lose weight, that would still be a really hard pill for me to swallow (literally). Who in their right mind would sign up to be the guinea pig for this?!0 -
chunky_pinup wrote: »Too bad it's not vegan.
I guess that's an interesting point.
Is a poop pill from a vegan, ok for vegans to take?
Vegans seem to be against eating animals or animal products, but they aren't against babies drinking breast milk etc
So cow milk is a no no but human milk is ok. So is human poop ok also. No cute furry animals were harmed, caged, used, killed.
I guess poop pills would be similar to ice cream made from human breast milk, is that ok for vegans?
I assume that the human breast milk, is okay; for it's intended purpose & nothing more.0 -
MondayJune22nd2015 wrote: »chunky_pinup wrote: »Too bad it's not vegan.
I guess that's an interesting point.
Is a poop pill from a vegan, ok for vegans to take?
Vegans seem to be against eating animals or animal products, but they aren't against babies drinking breast milk etc
So cow milk is a no no but human milk is ok. So is human poop ok also. No cute furry animals were harmed, caged, used, killed.
I guess poop pills would be similar to ice cream made from human breast milk, is that ok for vegans?
I assume that the human breast milk, is okay; for it's intended purpose & nothing more.
I thought the issue with cow milk for vegans other than being an animal, was that we cage them in, drug them up, take away their babies, take away any freedoms etc
That's not really what happens with a human making breast milk ice cream is it? Or poop pills?
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emmycantbemeeko wrote: »Fecal transplants are a real medical procedure performed for people who have serious GI problems to re-establish a healthy gut biome, but they're performed by doctors and via the more, uh, logical route for getting things in to the intestines, and don't involve eating poop.
This sounds like a very sketchy and gross scam playing of people's misunderstanding of research around the role of gut flora in health.
There are active research studies using a pill form. The research is currently in connection with c. diff treatment or treatment for IBD - and there have been reports of recipients of fecal transplants dramatically losing weight and becoming non-diabetic.
So - no, it isn't playing on a misunderstanding of research, although I'm not aware of active research into using it as treatment for diabetes or obesity.0 -
Keyword: stomachNeed2Exerc1se wrote: »VoiceWithNoValue wrote: »Even if it's real, it won't be healthy for you. You can eat your own poop to only have a minor stomach problem, yes. But eating other's poop is the same as you asking to be hospitalized. The different bacteria will only causes problems to those who ate others' poop.
So, is it real? Perhaps, Japan made chips out of human poop before and marketed it.
Is it healthy? No, absolutely not.
This isn't true actually. Well eating poo might cause stomach problems but I'm sure the idea is to get the poo past the stomach and into the lower gut. Fecal transplants are not an uncommon medical practice. This is the same concept, just a different route.
I know about fecal transplant and how it helps some people. I'm talking about how bad it is to have poop in your stomach, not intestine. Honestly, I'd prefer fecal transplant over eating a pill of poop. Thinking about it touching my tongue is disgusting enough.
ETA: don't forget about how the pill will probably dissolve in the stomach because of the stomach acid.0 -
hopeandtheabsurd wrote: »Why, WHY would anyone want to take it orally?! Sometimes a suppository IS the lesser of the two evils.
In order to have a fecal transplant, at this point, you have to find your own donor and do much of the work yourself. You have to hope that you just happen to have a friend or family member with the GI microbiome that will cure what ails you (c. diff, diabetes, UC, obesity, etc.)
With the pills the medical community has the opportunity to ensure a balanced microbiome that doesn't give you something else you don't want. (Some of the early trials treating c. diff actually "gave" people obesity - as well as "giving" other people a gut that helps them lose weight.)
I am one treatment away from needing a fecal transplant, and have no one in my family or friends I might ask with an appropriate gut microbiome. My daughter has had both c. diff and UC (so no good). My spouse has diabetes & a less than optimal gut functioning. My father has had c. diff. My mother has diabetes. That's about it on my (local) options - and, due to timing - the options have to be local.
So - I hope they do develop a pill in case my c. diff comes back (it took 5 rounds of antibiotics & 10 months before I got rid of it). I'd gladly eat pills filled with fecal bacteria if it cures c. diff.0 -
VoiceWithNoValue wrote: »Even if it's real, it won't be healthy for you. You can eat your own poop to only have a minor stomach problem, yes. But eating other's poop is the same as you asking to be hospitalized. The different bacteria will only causes problems to those who ate others' poop.
Is it healthy? No, absolutely not.
Right, that's why places like the Cleveland Clinic and the Mayo Clinic are actively engaged in research on it . . .
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