Why Calories In and Calories Out... It really ISN'T that simple.....
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stevencloser wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »robs_ready wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »robs_ready wrote: »
No joke! But it proves that if you eat in a deficit you will lose weight. Healthy food or not.robs_ready wrote: »http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/
....but it really is
God I could not think of anything more ghastly
Absolutely, you've given me a great idea for a macdonalds diet, chicken nuggets anyone?
Someone beat you to it: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-lose-weight-eating-only-mcdonalds-2015-10
Damn it, KFC then!
Done.
http://www.davejunia.com/2012/08/how-i-lost-7kg-in-a-month-while-eating-kfc/
Getting fat off whole foods?
I added ~25 pounds over a year (2012) of strict paleo/whole foods. Does that count?
(I did it by eating at a calculated surplus to intentionally gain ~25 pounds though. I then cut some of that weight the next year while adding non-whole foods to the menu.)0 -
Floridaman789 wrote: »Yes your body knows the difference between natural sugar and processed sugar
Nope.0 -
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I have been having so much trouble even losing a pound or two. When I exercise I can burn about 600 calories according to my fitbit and my TDEE for the day can be as much as 3500 but I was trying to eat only around 1200 cal. I was told to eat more and eat more carbs. So Im trying that but still no change except for the day I didn't drink but about 33.8 oz. which I know that is only water weight. I just don't get why I can't lose weight if CICO is all it takes. By the way the reason I have such a high calories burned for the day is because I weigh about 285-290. I've been told that my deficit is too much. Could this really be the problem?0
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jofjltncb6 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »robs_ready wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »robs_ready wrote: »
No joke! But it proves that if you eat in a deficit you will lose weight. Healthy food or not.robs_ready wrote: »http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/
....but it really is
God I could not think of anything more ghastly
Absolutely, you've given me a great idea for a macdonalds diet, chicken nuggets anyone?
Someone beat you to it: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-lose-weight-eating-only-mcdonalds-2015-10
Damn it, KFC then!
Done.
http://www.davejunia.com/2012/08/how-i-lost-7kg-in-a-month-while-eating-kfc/
Getting fat off whole foods?
I added ~25 pounds over a year (2012) of strict paleo/whole foods. Does that count?
(I did it by eating at a calculated surplus to intentionally gain ~25 pounds though. I then cut some of that weight the next year while adding non-whole foods to the menu.)
Good thing you've learned the errors of your ways and go for the dirty bulk now...0 -
All this back lash and negative energy is not getting anywhere, why go against what someone says everyone is entitled to their own opinion. We are on here tying to stay healthy and record our food and exercise as well as encourage others and help them meet their goals. It is only my third day using this cite and all have seen is a bunch of adults acting like Junior High Kids in regards of going against others own opinions and virtues. Let people speak their mind on their own accords. I'm only 18 and have more dignity and respect then most adults that I know.0
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quiksylver296 wrote: »Floridaman789 wrote: »Yes your body knows the difference between natural sugar and processed sugar
How? I'm totally serious, I'd really love to know how your body knows the difference between sugar and sugar.
I was trying to think of an unprocessed sugar. Because in order to be sugar, you have to process it. Otherwise, you are gnawing on a sugar beet (and I don't think that meets @Floridaman789's 'natural sugar').
Sugar cane. People can gnaw on sugar cane before it is processed
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mejaneucoconut wrote: »I have been having so much trouble even losing a pound or two. When I exercise I can burn about 600 calories according to my fitbit and my TDEE for the day can be as much as 3500 but I was trying to eat only around 1200 cal. I was told to eat more and eat more carbs. So Im trying that but still no change except for the day I didn't drink but about 33.8 oz. which I know that is only water weight. I just don't get why I can't lose weight if CICO is all it takes. By the way the reason I have such a high calories burned for the day is because I weigh about 285-290. I've been told that my deficit is too much. Could this really be the problem?
No. That's not the problem.
Do you use a food scale and weigh everything? Do you log everything? (I suspect I know the answer to these questions.)
I went back and looked at your diary. Entries like this are a problem...
Going over your calories by 1700 on Sunday is also a problem. That is going to wipe out any deficit you created through the rest of the week.0 -
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mejaneucoconut wrote: »I have been having so much trouble even losing a pound or two. When I exercise I can burn about 600 calories according to my fitbit and my TDEE for the day can be as much as 3500 but I was trying to eat only around 1200 cal. I was told to eat more and eat more carbs. So Im trying that but still no change except for the day I didn't drink but about 33.8 oz. which I know that is only water weight. I just don't get why I can't lose weight if CICO is all it takes. By the way the reason I have such a high calories burned for the day is because I weigh about 285-290. I've been told that my deficit is too much. Could this really be the problem?
Usually when people struggle to lose weight it comes down to not giving it enough time, lack of consistency, or a mistake in calculating calories in (or calories out).
In your case, it looks like logging calories in may be an issue. I see things like "homemade brownie (how big? who knows?)" in your diary. If your logging isn't accurate, you have no idea how much you're actually eating.0 -
MaggieAustin15 wrote: »All this back lash and negative energy is not getting anywhere, why go against what someone says everyone is entitled to their own opinion. We are on here tying to stay healthy and record our food and exercise as well as encourage others and help them meet their goals. It is only my third day using this cite and all have seen is a bunch of adults acting like Junior High Kids in regards of going against others own opinions and virtues. Let people speak their mind on their own accords. I'm only 18 and have more dignity and respect then most adults that I know.
Are you saying that people shouldn't respond to misinformation?
I think that would make this board much less helpful overall.0 -
mejaneucoconut wrote: »I have been having so much trouble even losing a pound or two. When I exercise I can burn about 600 calories according to my fitbit and my TDEE for the day can be as much as 3500 but I was trying to eat only around 1200 cal. I was told to eat more and eat more carbs. So Im trying that but still no change except for the day I didn't drink but about 33.8 oz. which I know that is only water weight. I just don't get why I can't lose weight if CICO is all it takes. By the way the reason I have such a high calories burned for the day is because I weigh about 285-290. I've been told that my deficit is too much. Could this really be the problem?
How do you measure your intake?
The most likely culprit is that you're eating more than you think through inaccurate logging.0 -
MaggieAustin15 wrote: »All this back lash and negative energy is not getting anywhere, why go against what someone says everyone is entitled to their own opinion. We are on here tying to stay healthy and record our food and exercise as well as encourage others and help them meet their goals. It is only my third day using this cite and all have seen is a bunch of adults acting like Junior High Kids in regards of going against others own opinions and virtues. Let people speak their mind on their own accords. I'm only 18 and have more dignity and respect then most adults that I know.
Yes you are and have much to learn about weight loss. The reason people post what they do is because there is science to prove that what others try and advocate on these boards simply isn't true. I'd advise you to stick around if you really want to become knowledgeable.0 -
MaggieAustin15 wrote: »All this back lash and negative energy is not getting anywhere, why go against what someone says everyone is entitled to their own opinion. We are on here tying to stay healthy and record our food and exercise as well as encourage others and help them meet their goals. It is only my third day using this cite and all have seen is a bunch of adults acting like Junior High Kids in regards of going against others own opinions and virtues. Let people speak their mind on their own accords. I'm only 18 and have more dignity and respect then most adults that I know.
^^because, some of us have been here a very long time, lost a lot of weight (over 160#) and kept it off for an equally long time (over 2 years). We see the same things here over and over. It is not really helpful to people starting out, and simply not true.
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MaggieAustin15 wrote: »All this back lash and negative energy is not getting anywhere, why go against what someone says everyone is entitled to their own opinion. We are on here tying to stay healthy and record our food and exercise as well as encourage others and help them meet their goals. It is only my third day using this cite and all have seen is a bunch of adults acting like Junior High Kids in regards of going against others own opinions and virtues. Let people speak their mind on their own accords. I'm only 18 and have more dignity and respect then most adults that I know.
Preventing the spread of misinformation is important, especially for people who are new to weight loss and may be easily discouraged by all the arbitrary "rules" set forth by the various diet cults.
CICO is all that is required to lose weight. Everyone should start there.0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »Calories In and Calories Out is by far the most important element to weight loss and weight management in general...nutrition is another matter entirely....
Oh...and as an aside...
Yes....this x1000.
And since the train has already left the station, I just want to reiderate.
People that say CICO is what matters for weight loss mean just that...., not nutrition but purely weight loss.
In the end how many calories you've had will dictate your weight loss, but not your level of nutrition. Your nutrition is dictated by what you eat.
Let's take this a step farther and talk health instead of just nutrition. I would rather be a healthy weight and a little below optimal on a few micros than be obese and eating optimal micros.
And I believe that it's actually difficult to have clinically deficient micros such that health is compromised in a way that is more detrimental than the health consequences of being obese regardless of the "quality" of food.0 -
MaggieAustin15 wrote: »All this back lash and negative energy is not getting anywhere, why go against what someone says everyone is entitled to their own opinion. We are on here tying to stay healthy and record our food and exercise as well as encourage others and help them meet their goals. It is only my third day using this cite and all have seen is a bunch of adults acting like Junior High Kids in regards of going against others own opinions and virtues. Let people speak their mind on their own accords. I'm only 18 and have more dignity and respect then most adults that I know.
Not flaming you but we call out bullsht when we see it. Dignity and respect and letting people speak their minds have nothing to do with people spouting out wrong info as fact or fearmongering.
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MaggieAustin15 wrote: »All this back lash and negative energy is not getting anywhere, why go against what someone says everyone is entitled to their own opinion. We are on here tying to stay healthy and record our food and exercise as well as encourage others and help them meet their goals. It is only my third day using this cite and all have seen is a bunch of adults acting like Junior High Kids in regards of going against others own opinions and virtues. Let people speak their mind on their own accords. I'm only 18 and have more dignity and respect then most adults that I know.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, however, you are not entitled to your own facts.
All calories are equal from an energy standpoint is a fact. All foods are not created equal from a nutritional standpoint is also a fact.
The OP posting a link to a pseudoscience clickbait article from a source widely known for his woo filled claims is not helpful to anyone, particular people who are new to this site like yourself. There are so many false, unnecessary claims about weight loss prevalent in today's society. That the veterans on this site want to refute them and make sure that people like you have access to the most reliable scientific information possible in order to make your experience here successful does not make them negative and immature. In fact, quite the opposite.
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MaggieAustin15 wrote: »All this back lash and negative energy is not getting anywhere, why go against what someone says everyone is entitled to their own opinion. We are on here tying to stay healthy and record our food and exercise as well as encourage others and help them meet their goals. It is only my third day using this cite and all have seen is a bunch of adults acting like Junior High Kids in regards of going against others own opinions and virtues. Let people speak their mind on their own accords. I'm only 18 and have more dignity and respect then most adults that I know.
You are not entitled to your own reality. If your "opinion" is factually completely wrong, it deserves to be called out. Unless you like to live in obliviousness of the truth and rather have a feel-good "you go girl" attitude 24/7 thrown at you.0 -
Of_Monsters_and_Meat wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Jehovah's Witness bread
Were can I pick up a loaf of this?
From the woo aisle at Whole Foods!0 -
CICO is an umbrella. If you are counting calories, you are following CICO. If you don't count calories, you are still following CICO. CICO is overarching and never goes away. How you get there is your own preference.
If you think otherwise you have some "learnin" to do.
How many midichlorians are there in a protein shake?
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CICO is an umbrella. If you are counting calories, you are following CICO. If you don't count calories, you are still following CICO. CICO is overarching and never goes away. How you get there is your own preference.
If you think otherwise you have some "learnin" to do.
How many midichlorians are there in a protein shake?
More than A.S.
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I'm fine with CICO, however I have just changed Garmin watches, now got the vivoactive which is ace, but run's that gave me 900kcal usage previously now give 600..... (both using the same HR band) can I believe either of them, need more when I do exercise or I feel rubbish but how much is annoying me.0
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coreyreichle wrote: »mrs_justice wrote: »Dr. Mark Hyman... maker of the movie Fed Up (you need to see it if you haven't) addresses the real reason that NOT ALL CALORIES ARE THE SAME....
"Fed Up!" was a whole bunch of bunkum, wrapped in delusion.
I'm sorry, but to be a proper description one needs three layers. For example, a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma. Or a chicken, wrapped in a duck, inside a turkey.
As you made a lovely start, I nominate bunkum, wrapped in delusion, inside a fallacy. But you could go with stinking pile of greed.0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »MaggieAustin15 wrote: »All this back lash and negative energy is not getting anywhere, why go against what someone says everyone is entitled to their own opinion. We are on here tying to stay healthy and record our food and exercise as well as encourage others and help them meet their goals. It is only my third day using this cite and all have seen is a bunch of adults acting like Junior High Kids in regards of going against others own opinions and virtues. Let people speak their mind on their own accords. I'm only 18 and have more dignity and respect then most adults that I know.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, however, you are not entitled to your own facts.
All calories are equal from an energy standpoint is a fact. All foods are not created equal from a nutritional standpoint is also a fact.
The OP posting a link to a pseudoscience clickbait article from a source widely known for his woo filled claims is not helpful to anyone, particular people who are new to this site like yourself. There are so many false, unnecessary claims about weight loss prevalent in today's society. That the veterans on this site want to refute them and make sure that people like you have access to the most reliable scientific information possible in order to make your experience here successful does not make them negative and immature. In fact, quite the opposite.
To add to your comment, there is a real cost to the pseudoscience and deceptive practices. A financial cost, in that people waste money on scams that don't work, an emotional cost in that people experience reinforced failure which makes it harder to start again, and sometimes some real physical costs because of the effects these useless supplements and scam diets have on the body.
It's immature and passive-aggressive to whine about the "meanness" of others rather than directly confront those with whom you disagree with factual counter arguments.
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Of_Monsters_and_Meat wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Jehovah's Witness bread
Were can I pick up a loaf of this?
From the woo aisle at Whole Foods!
Snap.
But that doesn't really narrow it down, does it?
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »MaggieAustin15 wrote: »All this back lash and negative energy is not getting anywhere, why go against what someone says everyone is entitled to their own opinion. We are on here tying to stay healthy and record our food and exercise as well as encourage others and help them meet their goals. It is only my third day using this cite and all have seen is a bunch of adults acting like Junior High Kids in regards of going against others own opinions and virtues. Let people speak their mind on their own accords. I'm only 18 and have more dignity and respect then most adults that I know.
Preventing the spread of misinformation is important, especially for people who are new to weight loss and may be easily discouraged by all the arbitrary "rules" set forth by the various diet cults.
CICO is all that is required to lose weight. Everyone should start there.
How does CICO guarantee adherence?
I agree CICO is king but it is hardly the be all, end all. If it was just "eat less, move more" would end the issues of obesity everywhere.
There are real barriers to eating less. As important as CICO is, it is also important to address personal adherence to achieve long term success. Everyone should start with CICO and methods to achieve adherence.0 -
MaggieAustin15 wrote: »All this back lash and negative energy is not getting anywhere, why go against what someone says everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
That people are entitled to their own opinions (which just means what? people can think what they like?) certainly must not mean that assertions of fact (or alleged fact) should not go unchallenged if incorrect. If so, whatever happens to that idea of the marketplace of ideas, where good ideas win out and poor ideas die? For that matter, how do we ever discuss anything? Candidate A makes an assertion that another candidate disagrees with, and he or she merely says "well, of course that's a brilliant thought and I could never disagree with someone else's opinion?" A lawyer gets up to argue before the SC and the justices just say "oh, yes, absolutely right!" and the lawyer for the other side refuses to disagree.
What is the world coming to when being polite apparently means that you can never disagree with anything someone says, because they might feel bad.
Not to mention that I wouldn't want people just to nod and smile when I said something false or mistaken. I'd like to know or hear the opposing idea.
Back when I was in college this was typically assumed (and when people forgot it, they were argued with strongly). That was the adult way, not the idea that people's feelings were so sensitive they couldn't handle the notion that they were wrong.0 -
I believe there are two aspects of the living healthy equation - there is the calories in and calories out and then there is the nutrient dense vs the mindful portion control eating...
lets all be honest, we can all argue that our way is the best but not two people are the same, what works for you might not work for me - me eating healthy means going to a restaurant ordering what ever I want then asking for a to go plate as soon as my order is out so I can make sure I don't eat what is meant to be for 2-3 people in one sitting - for other it is avoiding going out all together because the food is not organic nor grass fed or whatever else - to each their own... does eating nutrient dense foods bare way more benefits than eating the processed food - hell ya, is it the only way to maintain fit and even healthy, HELL NO.
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