Why are so many excluding milk from their diet?
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250ml of milk contains 9g of sugar. Is this considered high??0
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Drink it everyday. Usually only in cereal since I am only having 2k calories a day right now.0
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BrianSharpe wrote: »
Propaganda - for what cause? What do we get from actively excluding most commonly available foods from our diet? How does that personally benefit us? We only do it because morally and ethically, we can't ignore what is going on. Its not about us - its the animals and the planet.
The feeling of superiority.
That's what is in it for you because the anti-milk crowd certainly aren't in it for the logic.0 -
jofjltncb6 wrote: »Myshell0819 wrote: »I don't drink milk because I've seen how they treat dairy cows and it just sickens me...I don't like how it makes my body feel....I use to drink it and never noticed what it did till I stopped it....Todays milk has things that I don't like in milk such as antibiotics, Gmo crap and I don't eat beef either for the same reasons...I also don't eat pork for religious and health reasons...I know what pigs carry and transport into our bodies....i'm ok with the change and I feel much better...if you chose not to then you do you....i'm just happy to be feeling better and dropping all this weight, slowly but it's working...it took years to put on and I know it's gonna take a little while to get off, but i'm doing it and feel great, that's all that counts...peace
Did you actually *see* dairy cows? Or did you see a misleading propaganda piece?
Because I grew up around dairy cows. Dairy cows have to be the most pampered farm animals ever, perhaps second only to a lightly worked farm dog.
This.
The number of people that will watch on bit of bogus propaganda and then start proselytizing the masses like a born again is amazing. They buy it hook, line and sinker without being even slightly cynical of the source or its motives.0 -
BrianSharpe wrote: »
Propaganda - for what cause? What do we get from actively excluding most commonly available foods from our diet? How does that personally benefit us? We only do it because morally and ethically, we can't ignore what is going on. Its not about us - its the animals and the planet.
The feeling of superiority.
That's what is in it for you because the anti-milk crowd certainly aren't in it for the logic.
False.0 -
melonaulait wrote: »BrianSharpe wrote: »
Propaganda - for what cause? What do we get from actively excluding most commonly available foods from our diet? How does that personally benefit us? We only do it because morally and ethically, we can't ignore what is going on. Its not about us - its the animals and the planet.
The feeling of superiority.
That's what is in it for you because the anti-milk crowd certainly aren't in it for the logic.
False.
Well I haven't seen any logic yet from the illogically antimilk crowd just "but so many people being lactose intolerant should tell you something", "cow milk is just for baby cows!, "ew, pus" and "but the animals are all so poorly treated!"
The only logical arguments that I've seen against drinking milk are due to personal preference or lactose intolerance.0 -
melonaulait wrote: »BrianSharpe wrote: »
Propaganda - for what cause? What do we get from actively excluding most commonly available foods from our diet? How does that personally benefit us? We only do it because morally and ethically, we can't ignore what is going on. Its not about us - its the animals and the planet.
The feeling of superiority.
That's what is in it for you because the anti-milk crowd certainly aren't in it for the logic.
False.
Out of curiosity, which documentary or buzzfeed type list was it that got you to start the battle cry against milk?0 -
melonaulait wrote: »BrianSharpe wrote: »
Propaganda - for what cause? What do we get from actively excluding most commonly available foods from our diet? How does that personally benefit us? We only do it because morally and ethically, we can't ignore what is going on. Its not about us - its the animals and the planet.
The feeling of superiority.
That's what is in it for you because the anti-milk crowd certainly aren't in it for the logic.
False.
So much false. I can't even see how she could come up with something like that. I mean, there's no way a statement such as, "well, WE don't consume animal products because WE can't ignore cruelty but if YOU have no morals, you go right ahead and do you."0 -
Out of curiosity, which documentary or buzzfeed type list was it that got you to start the battle cry against milk?
None.So much false. I can't even see how she could come up with something like that. I mean, there's no way a statement such as, "well, WE don't consume animal products because WE can't ignore cruelty but if YOU have no morals, you go right ahead and do you."
Not a direct quote.0 -
Sorry to interject in the vegan oneupmanship.
The sugar thing perplexes me no end. It has never crossed my mind to think about the sugar content of plain old milk.0 -
melonaulait wrote: »Out of curiosity, which documentary or buzzfeed type list was it that got you to start the battle cry against milk?
None.So much false. I can't even see how she could come up with something like that. I mean, there's no way a statement such as, "well, WE don't consume animal products because WE can't ignore cruelty but if YOU have no morals, you go right ahead and do you."
Not a direct quote.
Well said.0 -
melonaulait wrote: »Out of curiosity, which documentary or buzzfeed type list was it that got you to start the battle cry against milk?
None.So much false. I can't even see how she could come up with something like that. I mean, there's no way a statement such as, "well, WE don't consume animal products because WE can't ignore cruelty but if YOU have no morals, you go right ahead and do you."
Not a direct quote.
Please forgive me for not believing you. People don't tend to come up with those sorts of key word, illogical arguments without a starting point.
It's okay if you don't want to divulge that information. I understand that it would leave you vulnerable to people logically picking apart every phalacy your anti-milk source would undoubtedly be filled with.0 -
VintageFeline wrote: »Sorry to interject in the vegan oneupmanship.
The sugar thing perplexes me no end. It has never crossed my mind to think about the sugar content of plain old milk.
Me neither..0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Sorry to interject in the vegan oneupmanship.
The sugar thing perplexes me no end. It has never crossed my mind to think about the sugar content of plain old milk.
Me neither..
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Big_Gulps_Huh wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Sorry to interject in the vegan oneupmanship.
The sugar thing perplexes me no end. It has never crossed my mind to think about the sugar content of plain old milk.
Simple Math, really.
Sugar = Devil
So this week, I've consumed and broken down more than 350 grams of the devil? At that rate of demonic destruction I should be nominated for sainthood!
Now I am off, to valiantly turn more devils into carbon dioxide and water. It's a rough job, but someone has to do it.0 -
I do drink milk but know many who don't consume any dairy because it causes inflammation, which can be a big problem for those with certain medical conditions. I try to limit dairy for this reason, but I allow myself a little.0
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TrickyDisco wrote: »TrickyDisco wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Ot but this reminds me of people who say the red liquid from red meat is blood and call medium-rare, etc bloody so they cook it more to get rid of the blood. No, no,no. It is not blood.
What exactly IS the 'red liquid' from red meat, then? Interested to know.
Myoglobin
Thanks for that, never knew.
Lots to read about myoglobin on wiki (a brief scan suggests it's something to do with muscle damage which would explain why it oozes out of butchered meat) but maybe wiki's not the best place to read up on it.
It tastes phenomenal.
Haha! Taste is subjective so each to their own.
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kyrannosaurus wrote: »Cow's milk is for cows. I am not a cow.
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BrianSharpe wrote: »
Propaganda - for what cause? What do we get from actively excluding most commonly available foods from our diet? How does that personally benefit us? We only do it because morally and ethically, we can't ignore what is going on. Its not about us - its the animals and the planet.
The feeling of superiority.
That's what is in it for you because the anti-milk crowd certainly aren't in it for the logic.
It looks like you are judging someone else's decisions about their personal morality and ethics. Does this make you feel superior?0 -
what's good for the goose... :huh:0
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CasperNaegle wrote: »What the hell happened to this thread?
Derp, woo and propaganda. That's what happened.
This sums it up nicely!0 -
justrollme wrote: »BrianSharpe wrote: »
Propaganda - for what cause? What do we get from actively excluding most commonly available foods from our diet? How does that personally benefit us? We only do it because morally and ethically, we can't ignore what is going on. Its not about us - its the animals and the planet.
The feeling of superiority.
That's what is in it for you because the anti-milk crowd certainly aren't in it for the logic.
It looks like you are judging someone else's decisions about their personal morality and ethics. Does this make you feel superior?
She asked why, I answered. She's free to hold any opinion she wishes.0 -
Big_Gulps_Huh wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Sorry to interject in the vegan oneupmanship.
The sugar thing perplexes me no end. It has never crossed my mind to think about the sugar content of plain old milk.
Simple Math, really.
Sugar = Devil
It's true. A couple of weeks ago I had a day that was fuelled almost entirely by delicious sugary baked goods (think jam tart, neenish tart, jelly doughnut, some kind of sticky iced custard bun thing...) and the next day my weight was 66.6 kg. Number of the beast. That's proof, man.
Also, dairy is awesome (personal opinion, of course).0 -
TrickyDisco wrote: »But... Steak is flesh cut off a dead cow. Eggs are little baby chicks who never had a chance. Foods with probiotics (like yogurt, sauer kraut, kimchi) are literally full of bacteria. Have you read about how many bacteria and parasites are living all over us and inside of us??? The whole slew of theories about gut health centers around what type of bacteria we have in our digestive system and if we are feeding them properly. There are viruses floating in the air and sitting on just about every surface you touch. There are dust mites in your bed, eating your dead skin cells.
Life is dirty. And if you think about it too much, it will give you the permanent willies.
That's why I drink alcohol too. It helps me think less about that sort of thing, and hopefully kills some of the little buggers on the way down.
Thanks for the natural history lesson. You're right, life is dirty. Maybe thinking about it too much would give you 'the permanent willies' (surely there's a medical antidote to that, some sort of 'reverse viagra'?) but I'm made of sterner stuff. Bacteria doesn't bother me. Some of the inhumane practices involved in meat/egg/dairy production do bother me, though. Enough to do something about it, e.g. not supporting it financially by consuming those products.
And yeah, I drink alcohol too, the sort which hasn't had egg, milk, gelatine or isinglass (dried fish swimbladders) used in it as finings. Alcohol helps me think less about things like the ignorance of people who try to justify animal cruelty by whatever means they think suits their particular purpose (e.g. taste, monetary profit).
Because as far as I'm concerned nothing justifies any kind of cruelty, whether inflicted on man or beast.
Cheers!
Well you are definitely a better person than me. And I'm pretty sure you are saying that you are hardier and smarter than me as well, but that's okay. I respect what you believe, and I don't necessarily disagree with your moral issues with how animals in industrial food production are handled. I do have issues with the superior attitude, blatantly untrue fear-mongering about things like pus, and inability to see any other side of the argument that always seems to accompany the "clean-eating" side of these arguments. It doesn't have to be that way. Have a great weekend 0 -
TrickyDisco wrote: »But... Steak is flesh cut off a dead cow. Eggs are little baby chicks who never had a chance. Foods with probiotics (like yogurt, sauer kraut, kimchi) are literally full of bacteria. Have you read about how many bacteria and parasites are living all over us and inside of us??? The whole slew of theories about gut health centers around what type of bacteria we have in our digestive system and if we are feeding them properly. There are viruses floating in the air and sitting on just about every surface you touch. There are dust mites in your bed, eating your dead skin cells.
Life is dirty. And if you think about it too much, it will give you the permanent willies.
That's why I drink alcohol too. It helps me think less about that sort of thing, and hopefully kills some of the little buggers on the way down.
Thanks for the natural history lesson. You're right, life is dirty. Maybe thinking about it too much would give you 'the permanent willies' (surely there's a medical antidote to that, some sort of 'reverse viagra'?) but I'm made of sterner stuff. Bacteria doesn't bother me. Some of the inhumane practices involved in meat/egg/dairy production do bother me, though. Enough to do something about it, e.g. not supporting it financially by consuming those products.
And yeah, I drink alcohol too, the sort which hasn't had egg, milk, gelatine or isinglass (dried fish swimbladders) used in it as finings. Alcohol helps me think less about things like the ignorance of people who try to justify animal cruelty by whatever means they think suits their particular purpose (e.g. taste, monetary profit).
Because as far as I'm concerned nothing justifies any kind of cruelty, whether inflicted on man or beast.
Cheers!
Well you are definitely a better person than me. And I'm pretty sure you are saying that you are hardier and smarter than me as well, but that's okay. I respect what you believe, and I don't necessarily disagree with your moral issues with how animals in industrial food production are handled. I do have issues with the superior attitude, blatantly untrue fear-mongering about things like pus, and inability to see any other side of the argument that always seems to accompany the "clean-eating" side of these arguments. It doesn't have to be that way. Have a great weekend
Nicely said
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TrickyDisco wrote: »But... Steak is flesh cut off a dead cow. Eggs are little baby chicks who never had a chance. Foods with probiotics (like yogurt, sauer kraut, kimchi) are literally full of bacteria. Have you read about how many bacteria and parasites are living all over us and inside of us??? The whole slew of theories about gut health centers around what type of bacteria we have in our digestive system and if we are feeding them properly. There are viruses floating in the air and sitting on just about every surface you touch. There are dust mites in your bed, eating your dead skin cells.
Life is dirty. And if you think about it too much, it will give you the permanent willies.
That's why I drink alcohol too. It helps me think less about that sort of thing, and hopefully kills some of the little buggers on the way down.
Thanks for the natural history lesson. You're right, life is dirty. Maybe thinking about it too much would give you 'the permanent willies' (surely there's a medical antidote to that, some sort of 'reverse viagra'?) but I'm made of sterner stuff. Bacteria doesn't bother me. Some of the inhumane practices involved in meat/egg/dairy production do bother me, though. Enough to do something about it, e.g. not supporting it financially by consuming those products.
And yeah, I drink alcohol too, the sort which hasn't had egg, milk, gelatine or isinglass (dried fish swimbladders) used in it as finings. Alcohol helps me think less about things like the ignorance of people who try to justify animal cruelty by whatever means they think suits their particular purpose (e.g. taste, monetary profit).
Because as far as I'm concerned nothing justifies any kind of cruelty, whether inflicted on man or beast.
Cheers!
Well you are definitely a better person than me. And I'm pretty sure you are saying that you are hardier and smarter than me as well, but that's okay. I respect what you believe, and I don't necessarily disagree with your moral issues with how animals in industrial food production are handled. I do have issues with the superior attitude, blatantly untrue fear-mongering about things like pus, and inability to see any other side of the argument that always seems to accompany the "clean-eating" side of these arguments. It doesn't have to be that way. Have a great weekend
"not a direct quote "
/melonaulait0 -
TrickyDisco wrote: »But... Steak is flesh cut off a dead cow. Eggs are little baby chicks who never had a chance. Foods with probiotics (like yogurt, sauer kraut, kimchi) are literally full of bacteria. Have you read about how many bacteria and parasites are living all over us and inside of us??? The whole slew of theories about gut health centers around what type of bacteria we have in our digestive system and if we are feeding them properly. There are viruses floating in the air and sitting on just about every surface you touch. There are dust mites in your bed, eating your dead skin cells.
Life is dirty. And if you think about it too much, it will give you the permanent willies.
That's why I drink alcohol too. It helps me think less about that sort of thing, and hopefully kills some of the little buggers on the way down.
Thanks for the natural history lesson. You're right, life is dirty. Maybe thinking about it too much would give you 'the permanent willies' (surely there's a medical antidote to that, some sort of 'reverse viagra'?) but I'm made of sterner stuff. Bacteria doesn't bother me. Some of the inhumane practices involved in meat/egg/dairy production do bother me, though. Enough to do something about it, e.g. not supporting it financially by consuming those products.
And yeah, I drink alcohol too, the sort which hasn't had egg, milk, gelatine or isinglass (dried fish swimbladders) used in it as finings. Alcohol helps me think less about things like the ignorance of people who try to justify animal cruelty by whatever means they think suits their particular purpose (e.g. taste, monetary profit).
Because as far as I'm concerned nothing justifies any kind of cruelty, whether inflicted on man or beast.
Cheers!
Well you are definitely a better person than me. And I'm pretty sure you are saying that you are hardier and smarter than me as well, but that's okay. I respect what you believe, and I don't necessarily disagree with your moral issues with how animals in industrial food production are handled. I do have issues with the superior attitude, blatantly untrue fear-mongering about things like pus, and inability to see any other side of the argument that always seems to accompany the "clean-eating" side of these arguments. It doesn't have to be that way. Have a great weekend
I applaud your ability to respond so diplomatically.0 -
Many of us are not able to digest cow milk protein (cow milk protein intolerance)....can be quite nasty. In my son, as an infant, it caused blistering all around the *kitten*. We only identified it when we actually tried soy cheese...which surprising to us contained casein. For my father, an endoscopy improved ridiculously when he cut out dairy...again CMPI.0
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