Why are so many excluding milk from their diet?
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PMSL @ "nut juice"!!! Excellent!!!
FWIW I like the taste of milk and have no physical problems with tolerating / metabolising dairy. I have some in my porridge (oatmeal?), some in coffee and a glass of 250ml in the evening (just one of my little habits). We usually buy semi-skimmed, but I like full-fat/wholemilk too, but never totally skimmed.
We buy 4 pint bottles for £1.00 (Waitrose Essential Semi-Skimmed), which works out at 44p per litre.
It's 49 calories for 100ml, which easily fits into my day.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »I don't do milk because I'm lactose intolerant, but honestly also because I have just begun to find that drinking another species breast milk is rather gross. Something hit me at one point...would I drink human breast milk or eat human-breast milk made cheese? No...
I should clarify I am not vegan - I still eat meat- but milk just icks me out. It potentially has pus. Eeew.
It's not pus, for crying out loud. Woo
Its not ALL pus, but the FDA actually allows a certain percentage of pus and blood, so yea that's just too gross for me0 -
OMFG - please stop - tears are rolling down my face as I am laughing out loud!!!0
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*sighs* LOL0
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Milk contains more sugar than I want to drink. I like fermented dairy products like yogurt and cheese though. I make my own yogurt with a longer fermentation and, therefore, little or no lactose.0
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ticiaelizabeth wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »I don't do milk because I'm lactose intolerant, but honestly also because I have just begun to find that drinking another species breast milk is rather gross. Something hit me at one point...would I drink human breast milk or eat human-breast milk made cheese? No...
I should clarify I am not vegan - I still eat meat- but milk just icks me out. It potentially has pus. Eeew.
It's not pus, for crying out loud. Woo
Its not ALL pus, but the FDA actually allows a certain percentage of pus and blood, so yea that's just too gross for me
The FDA also allows certain levels of insect material and rat feces in packaged foods, too.
Think about THAT every, single time you put something you bought at the store in your mouth, regardless of how processed it is. Every time. It'll drive you nuts. So don't think about it and just eat it, because the amounts that are allowed are so small, they have zero chance of harming you. That goes for whatever pus you think is in your milk, too.
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Nut juice? Its just blended nuts and filtered water. Mmm because the lactations of a large bovine mammal who just had a baby sounds so yummy. As does the hormones, pus, cholesterol and a good ol' dose of slaughtered baby cow!0
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BrianSharpe wrote: »
Propaganda - for what cause? What do we get from actively excluding most commonly available foods from our diet? How does that personally benefit us? We only do it because morally and ethically, we can't ignore what is going on. Its not about us - its the animals and the planet.0 -
I don't drink milk because I've seen how they treat dairy cows and it just sickens me...I don't like how it makes my body feel....I use to drink it and never noticed what it did till I stopped it....Todays milk has things that I don't like in milk such as antibiotics, Gmo crap and I don't eat beef either for the same reasons...I also don't eat pork for religious and health reasons...I know what pigs carry and transport into our bodies....i'm ok with the change and I feel much better...if you chose not to then you do you....i'm just happy to be feeling better and dropping all this weight, slowly but it's working...it took years to put on and I know it's gonna take a little while to get off, but i'm doing it and feel great, that's all that counts...peace0
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ticiaelizabeth wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »I don't do milk because I'm lactose intolerant, but honestly also because I have just begun to find that drinking another species breast milk is rather gross. Something hit me at one point...would I drink human breast milk or eat human-breast milk made cheese? No...
I should clarify I am not vegan - I still eat meat- but milk just icks me out. It potentially has pus. Eeew.
It's not pus, for crying out loud. Woo
Its not ALL pus, but the FDA actually allows a certain percentage of pus and blood, so yea that's just too gross for me
Well, here is just a few other things the FDA allows in some vegan foods: various insects and maggots (whole, larvae , eggs and fragments), insect poop, mold, mildew, insect filth, mammalian excreta, rodent hairs, rodent excreta, rot, worms, sand and grit.
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amusedmonkey wrote: »ticiaelizabeth wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »I don't do milk because I'm lactose intolerant, but honestly also because I have just begun to find that drinking another species breast milk is rather gross. Something hit me at one point...would I drink human breast milk or eat human-breast milk made cheese? No...
I should clarify I am not vegan - I still eat meat- but milk just icks me out. It potentially has pus. Eeew.
It's not pus, for crying out loud. Woo
Its not ALL pus, but the FDA actually allows a certain percentage of pus and blood, so yea that's just too gross for me
Well, here is just a few other things the FDA allows in some vegan foods: various insects and maggots (whole, larvae , eggs and fragments), insect poop, mold, mildew, insect filth, mammalian excreta, rodent hairs, rodent excreta, rot, worms, sand and grit.
That's it, I'm going breatharian! LOL0 -
No idea. I have skim-milk pretty regularly (usually in oatmeal). I've read a lot of discussions about how it's not good for us, how we're essentially drinking another species' breast milk, blahblahblah, but I pretty much ignore such things. I eat/drink what I like (within reason). And I like milk in my oatmeal. (And hot chocolate/chocolate milk! Can't forget that!)0
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TrickyDisco wrote: »rankinsect wrote: »Squirrel698 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »Squirrel698 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »Squirrel698 wrote: »
so no cheese or ice cream? sad
Oh I do have cheese. I was eating goat cheese in my salad as I answered this post.
But goat's milk is free from pus. Good to know.
I don't drink the milk. I eat the cheese, which tends to have further pasteurization which destroys a lot of the bacteria. Any rate, goat cheese is easier on my stomach and that's what I go by.
Pus isn't bacteria. "Pus" is just a name for dead white blood cells. Pasteurization certainly isn't bringing them back to life.
For that matter, basically every animal product contains some quantity of dead white blood cells, because all animal tissue has some kind of blood supply.
All milk of all species contains it, too, since mammary ducts are a potential entry point for bacteria and thus the body is required to be able to mount an immune response against invasion.
Dead white blood cells in your food ... no, sorry, doesn't sound any more appetising than pus to me.
Also, there's a reason why they carry out 'pus counts' (somatic cell counts) .... farmers are penalised for high counts and rewarded for low ones, and if the count is too high then the milk is deemed unfit for human consumption.
Is it really any less appetizing-sounding or a more ridiculous statement than 'dead plant embryos in your food' if I were anti-nut/seed?
I suppose for maximum shock value I should rephrase to 'dead plant fetuses' or some such. And I'm sure someone can find a gif to suit.
Yes, 'dead white blood cells' does sound less appetising to me ... which is why I wrote 'to me' at the end of the sentence.
But I'm sure it also sounds less appetising to many others too, whether veg/vegan or not.
I'm not interested in 'shock value' tactics either, your words not mine. Call things what you want, just don't attempt to attach your own stupid comment (dead plant foetuses) to me.
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Myshell0819 wrote: »I don't drink milk because I've seen how they treat dairy cows and it just sickens me...I don't like how it makes my body feel....I use to drink it and never noticed what it did till I stopped it....Todays milk has things that I don't like in milk such as antibiotics, Gmo crap and I don't eat beef either for the same reasons...I also don't eat pork for religious and health reasons...I know what pigs carry and transport into our bodies....i'm ok with the change and I feel much better...if you chose not to then you do you....i'm just happy to be feeling better and dropping all this weight, slowly but it's working...it took years to put on and I know it's gonna take a little while to get off, but i'm doing it and feel great, that's all that counts...peace
Did you actually *see* dairy cows? Or did you see a misleading propaganda piece?
Because I grew up around dairy cows. Dairy cows have to be the most pampered farm animals ever, perhaps second only to a lightly worked farm dog.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »Squirrel698 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »Squirrel698 wrote: »
so no cheese or ice cream? sad
Oh I do have cheese. I was eating goat cheese in my salad as I answered this post.
But goat's milk is free from pus. Good to know.
Or maybe the pus in goat cheese isn't gross. Much more tasty pus and good to eat. Mmmmmmm, who doesn't love the taste of goat pus?
Clearly. If it were gross, it would have two s's just like gross. Cow's milk has puss, goat's milk has pus.
So what you're saying is that, as an African American male, I should give goat's milk and it's pus a try, since we all know I don't eat puss?
This made my day!
I don't drink milk by the glass, I just rarely get the urge and I'm also someone who prefers to eat my calories while cutting.
I do have semi-skim (because it's what I grew up with, full fat is too creamy for me) in my coffee and porridge. I have to have soy or another subsitute if I'm having a giant latte treat though because the huge volume of milk with coffee really really disagrees with my stomach.0 -
What the hell happened to this thread?0
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cross2bear wrote: »OMFG - please stop - tears are rolling down my face as I am laughing out loud!!!
+1
9 pages of talking about puss and poop in my food and I'm beginning to wonder if Freelee is really onto something. The MFP derp today is making me delusional.0 -
CasperNaegle wrote: »What the hell happened to this thread?
Derp, woo and propaganda. That's what happened.0 -
CasperNaegle wrote: »What the hell happened to this thread?
Same thing that happens to most milk threads.0 -
I had no idea milk was a hot topic! I agree with the others saying the dairy cows have to be treated nice or they won't have milk. Not by PETA's standards though.
About the pus... am I wrong to assume the pus (if this is true) would be cleaned out via the pasteurization process?0 -
But propaganda sounds so much more convincing when one tries to use gross words to describe things that don't fit their agenda.
Maybe check what people actually said before you accuse them of using 'propaganda' and having an 'agenda'? (knew they would crop up sooner or later)
My particular comment was in response to the phrase 'dead white blood cells' posted by another member, rankinsect. But I guess acknowledging that wouldn't fit your own agenda.
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singingflutelady wrote: »Ot but this reminds me of people who say the red liquid from red meat is blood and call medium-rare, etc bloody so they cook it more to get rid of the blood. No, no,no. It is not blood.
What exactly IS the 'red liquid' from red meat, then? Interested to know.
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Completely irrelevant to the thread question but I have seen comments about milk being pus....uhm regardless of whether its dead cells blah blah....if you are turned off by consuming pus....wouldn't you be absolutely loath to eat flesh ? Sometimes I wonder about people. I'm not vegan either before the comments start...just curious at the logic
Yeah, I wonder about them too sometimes.
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TrickyDisco wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Ot but this reminds me of people who say the red liquid from red meat is blood and call medium-rare, etc bloody so they cook it more to get rid of the blood. No, no,no. It is not blood.
What exactly IS the 'red liquid' from red meat, then? Interested to know.
Myoglobin0 -
But... Steak is flesh cut off a dead cow. Eggs are little baby chicks who never had a chance. Foods with probiotics (like yogurt, sauer kraut, kimchi) are literally full of bacteria. Have you read about how many bacteria and parasites are living all over us and inside of us??? The whole slew of theories about gut health centers around what type of bacteria we have in our digestive system and if we are feeding them properly. There are viruses floating in the air and sitting on just about every surface you touch. There are dust mites in your bed, eating your dead skin cells.
Life is dirty. And if you think about it too much, it will give you the permanent willies.
That's why I drink alcohol too. It helps me think less about that sort of thing, and hopefully kills some of the little buggers on the way down.
Thanks for the natural history lesson. You're right, life is dirty. Maybe thinking about it too much would give you 'the permanent willies' (surely there's a medical antidote to that, some sort of 'reverse viagra'?) but I'm made of sterner stuff. Bacteria doesn't bother me. Some of the inhumane practices involved in meat/egg/dairy production do bother me, though. Enough to do something about it, e.g. not supporting it financially by consuming those products.
And yeah, I drink alcohol too, the sort which hasn't had egg, milk, gelatine or isinglass (dried fish swimbladders) used in it as finings. Alcohol helps me think less about things like the ignorance of people who try to justify animal cruelty by whatever means they think suits their particular purpose (e.g. taste, monetary profit).
Because as far as I'm concerned nothing justifies any kind of cruelty, whether inflicted on man or beast.
Cheers!
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TrickyDisco wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Ot but this reminds me of people who say the red liquid from red meat is blood and call medium-rare, etc bloody so they cook it more to get rid of the blood. No, no,no. It is not blood.
What exactly IS the 'red liquid' from red meat, then? Interested to know.
Myoglobin
Thanks for that, never knew. Lots to read about myoglobin on wiki (a brief scan suggests it's something to do with muscle damage which would explain why it oozes out of butchered meat) but maybe wiki's not the best place to read up on it.
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TrickyDisco wrote: »TrickyDisco wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Ot but this reminds me of people who say the red liquid from red meat is blood and call medium-rare, etc bloody so they cook it more to get rid of the blood. No, no,no. It is not blood.
What exactly IS the 'red liquid' from red meat, then? Interested to know.
Myoglobin
Thanks for that, never knew. Lots to read about myoglobin on wiki (a brief scan suggests it's something to do with muscle damage which would explain why it oozes out of butchered meat) but maybe wiki's not the best place to read up on it.
It tastes phenomenal.0 -
TrickyDisco wrote: »TrickyDisco wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Ot but this reminds me of people who say the red liquid from red meat is blood and call medium-rare, etc bloody so they cook it more to get rid of the blood. No, no,no. It is not blood.
What exactly IS the 'red liquid' from red meat, then? Interested to know.
Myoglobin
Thanks for that, never knew. Lots to read about myoglobin on wiki (a brief scan suggests it's something to do with muscle damage which would explain why it oozes out of butchered meat) but maybe wiki's not the best place to read up on it.
It tastes phenomenal.
Yes, yes it does.0 -
TrickyDisco wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Ot but this reminds me of people who say the red liquid from red meat is blood and call medium-rare, etc bloody so they cook it more to get rid of the blood. No, no,no. It is not blood.
What exactly IS the 'red liquid' from red meat, then? Interested to know.
Myoglobin
Well crap, I thought it was blood, so I have been eating my meat well done all my life. No wonder all my friends think I'm weird.
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jofjltncb6 wrote: »Cyndiaquino wrote: »I like having more calories for other foods. Instead of milk I will use Almond milk. Only 30 calories for 1 cup. I don't like the taste of milk, I would only use it in cereal, oatmeal, etc. Switching to Almond milk doesn't bother me.
But almond milk is nothing more than strained nut-water.
Ahem.
It's pulverized, strained *tree fetuses*. Tree fetuses!!
Unlike nut juice, which is probably . . . some kind of cells.
Back on topic: I'm ovo-lacto vegetarian. I'm not lactose intolerant (Northern European ancestry). I eat full-fat cheese (because yum), and non-fat plain Greek yogurt (protein!), and put hot skimmed milk in my coffee because I really, really like hot coffee with hot skimmed milk, but I tell everyone it's for the protein.
Milk sugar (or fruit sugar) as part of regular food doesn't concern me, though I don't eat a lot of things with added sugar (not mostly enjoyable). I'm not prediabetic or diabetic, so I don't even track sugar in my diary.
I grew up on milk, mostly skimmed milk. It tastes good to me, and has some solid macros/micros, plenty for the calories, in my calculation. I don't much care for the nut/bean milks - they taste unsatisfying to me, kind of fake-y. And they don't have as much protein.
I don't try to convert anyone who disagrees with me: I'm willing to take one for the team, and drink/eat aaaaalllllll the dairy.0
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