People just aren't getting it.

Totally agree....except gastric bi-passes do seem to work.

Actually, they don't. I personally know 3 people that 3-6 years later are far heavier than when they had surgery! If they don't change how the eat, their stomach will actually stretch back out.

Theres good information out there about it. Google it and you should be able to find some.

Just one little comment: I only know one person who had a gastric bypass, my sister in law...and it worked fabulously for her. However, I still think she'd have done just as well if she'd simply gone on a diet. Her doc gave her a very limited diet plan following the surgery, and she stuck to it to the letter....and still does 5 years later. Looks awesome....but I'm not sure the bypass was necessary considering the diet, though I guess it served as motivation for her at the very least.

Anyway, just sayin'

Eat anything you want diet

I do imagine you mean that you can still allow yourself small indulgences...you just cant eat ALL you want of anything you want, right??

And I'd like to just add that I think the HCG "diet and/or suicide attempt" is just about the craziest nonsense I have ever heard. I can't believe anyone thinks that is a good Idea.

Yeah, I have a friend who is playing that game right now, but why should he listen to me? I'm only a certified personal trainer.

I just said this on another topic:


There are no shortcuts. Just change your diet and exercise.

- Eat a moderate calorie deficit.
- Eat whole foods most of the time
- Exercise (cardio and strength train) 3-4 times per week.

This will work for everyone with no negative side effects.

I agree!!!

I loved your other post. Some people are too sensitive and don't want to be accountable for themselves. In America we have the whole "Blame someone else for our problems, even our being over weight cause we chose to eat crap and not exercise" and the whole "we need an easy out" syndrome.
Love your post!

I agree, there isn't a short cut.

But, not everyone has learnt this yet. If they come to a forum and ask about diet pills or HCG, hopefully that's a big learning curve for the OP plus lots of others who read the post.

So many people are are seduced by the incredible amount of marketing that we are exposed to every day, those companies pay HUGE amounts of money to convince us that their money-making idea will make us thin. I know, and you know, that isn't going to be the way to healthy and sustainable weight loss, but not everyone has got there yet.

Along those same lines, I can't stand it when someone says "Oh, calorie counting doesn't work for me," or "Weight Watchers doesn't work for me," or "I don't want to exercise and gain muscle." I don't really understand that. I've quit a million and one diets, and it wasn't because they didn't "work for me." . Let's be honest, I didnt "work" for them, which is why I'm in the boat I'm in now. If you're still going to make poor choices and sit on your rear, nothing will ever work.

Low carb nutrition plans work fine.

Some of those diets do work but its substaining the results.... The low carb diets is a scientific fact does work putting your body into ketosis... but if its the right thing to do is the question. The food replacement diets work but who can live on shakes for a life time that seems like a jail term to me... So you are kind of right just how you put it is questionable....

I'm chiming in here with my two thumbs up.

And one ingredient that I think is implied in your message but that I want to say out loud....PATIENCE!!!

I am at peace with the fact that it is going to take time to get where I want to be, and since I'm completely changing my eating and exercise habits, time is not really a valid factor in the picture.

Actually, I'm seeing a sawtooth pattern in my weight measurements, up/down with an overall downward trend. My younger self (who thought there WAS a magic bullet out there somewhere!) would have despaired and abandoned the effort. My older self has finally come to understand that this is a long term (permanent) thing, there are other reasons besides weight to eat healthy and exercise, and losing weight for some kind of hard-stop milestone (wedding, high school reunion, vacation, etc.) is one of the WORST reasons to be here or anywhere else that supports wellness and fitness.

So thanks for reposting the message...frankly, I think that the tough talk is the only thing that will pierce the veil of illusion that so many of us are covered with!

I agree with hard work is the only way, and when a gf of mine mentions Dukin diets, Atkins etc I just say its simple: eat well and move a little more than you do now and build it up, small changes at a time which gradually build to significant changes, too much too quickly is hard to maintain, and if something has an end to it, ie a diet, then what happens when you finish?? Return to old bad habits and put it all back on?? I also agree on patience as above post it is the fact that eating right and exercise can take time and you don't always see the results quickly....I am lucky my fitness and health goals motivate me when my scales aren't reflecting the hard work I put in. It feels like such a long journey, but I look back and think I could be where I started or worse -even fatter and even more unhealthy! I learnt at a young age the fad diets are soooo bad for you (I ballooned by 20-30kgs followong one when I was 19 an uneducated and struggled to get it off since until now) and have always believed the only true way I personally would achieve my goals is to make significant changes in my lifestyle over time. It just took me awhile to be consistent and not give up, because my motivation is so different now -and it really is a mental game, so it isn't as simple as eat healthy and exercise, there is so much more mentally and emotionally most of fatties and former fatties have had to overcome/still overcoming!! Having said all of the above, everyone needs to learn what works for them in their own time.

This is the most consistent I have been (going since September 2010) and lost 20kg, and I am up and down, but never more than a few kilos at a time, and this is usually due to nutrition when I slide back!

Totally agree....except gastric bi-passes do seem to work.

Actually, they don't. I personally know 3 people that 3-6 years later are far heavier than when they had surgery! If they don't change how the eat, their stomach will actually stretch back out.

Theres good information out there about it. Google it and you should be able to find some.

I know someone that got this done and is even thinner than me.

BUT...

She can't eat ANY sugar (other than what's in fruit or veggies naturally), drink ANY sodas...and this has nothing to do with maintenance of her weight. Because of the bypass (which was YEARS ago), her body literally rejects these things and causes her to throw them up almost immediately. She won't be able to eat a piece of my wedding cake in couple of weeks without throwing it up.

Yes, she is thin and has been that way for about 15 years now. But the side effects can't hardly be worth it when she throws up every Thanksgiving because she had 1500 calories which was "too many" for her tiny little surgically changed stomach to handle.

Why was the first post taken down? Why do all the pity posts get to stay on the board...

I love this post! so good and so right... i see alot of my friends on these weird diets all the time and sometimes want to scream THIS WILL NOT WORK FOR A LONG TERM WEIGHTLOSS! its all about the hard work!! i used to try fad diets but now i know the right way !!! if you Eat Good you will Look Good! and of course exercise! I lost my weight over two years of eating right and exercising ... two years is a long time but im happy and i know that i can keep this off as i havent just changed what im putting into my body for a few weeks like these fad diets do this is a lifestyle change and choice - people also need to realise this!!!

KEEP UP THE HARD WORK PEOPLE!!!! WOOP!

Thank you so much for you honesty and slap of reality!

Not much to add, I just love this thread.

My (smallish) comment...when people see how much I've lost and how much I've changed, they inevitably assume I've done it overnight with some fad or chemical. They are all surprised (and somewhat disbelieving) when I tell them that I've been eating right and working out every day for six months...nothing else (as if that's nothing...LOL).

I know its been said here 1000 times in 1000 ways, but here's MY weight loss secret:

1. Eat the calories MFP assignes based on your goals (mine, like most, is set at 2 poundsa a week)
2. Avoid bad food as much as possible, load up on the good stuff
3. Exercise as hard and often as you can

Oh, and be patient...58 pounds over six months = 2 pounds a week exactly (and still going strong).

It's interesting that people actually think you are insulting them. Cause it's obvious that you are insulting the fad diets and other crazy things that do not work, not the people who use them. It is insanely annoying to read all the threads about all the new fads...I choose to ignore some of them, but when I see that they gain "fans" I have to speak up and say something.

I think it's pretty clear that he IS insulting people, considering the original post was titled "People are stupid"