StrongLifts 5x5

This may have been covered, but I'm gonna ask anyways lol. For those of you lifting, how are you noting calories burned in yoru exercise diaries? I started Jamie Eason's 12 week program today on bodybuilding.com and am trying to figure out how to note that. I know good and well that I'm burning more than 50 calories in one of those workouts

I also do bodyrock, and free weight work on my own at home, as well as running a few times a week. Any idea how accurate the calorie needs on bodybuilding are?

I tried MFP's calorie recommendations for a while and did t feel like I was getting enough (not enough energy for workouts) so I started to look into how it was calculated. MFP used the Harris-Benedict equation to calculate you BMR and then bases your  calorie deficit off of this number. The problem is that while this method is the most popular it is not the most accurate for most people. In my research I discovered that the Mifflin equation has become known as the most accurate so I started using that and manually configuring my calorie goal into MFP. 

MFP recommendation: 1990 calories for 1lb per week
Mifflin recommendation: 2147 calories for lb per week

This is a really long way for me to say that I do not eat back my exercise calories (I know, shame on me, I'm going to starve, etc...) however I don't deliberately try to stay under on my workout days either, I eat if I am hungry and if I go over some then oh well. This method has allowed me to lose the 1lb per week fairly consistently also. 

That being said, the calorie burn for bodybuilding isolation type exercises is going to be significantly lower than the compound full body lifts done as part of SL, I would just try and eat an extra 100 calories or so to make up for it if you want to go that route. 

I second this.

One thing I've noticed about SL5X5 versus bodybuilding type splits is lack of joint pain. Doing all of the isolated movements (barbell/dumbbell curls, tricep extentions/skullcrushers/pushdowns, etc) eventually caused me significant elbow pain. The compound movements don't and they seem to be adding more quality mass.

I bet if you asked the layman weightlifter/bodybuilder "what builds better bicep mass, heavy barbell curls or heavy deadlifts?" that 90% of them would say the curls. I disagree.

I haven't checked through all the posts, but noticed a few mentioned stalls. What I do is left heavy on the negative side. Mostly just for bench. You'll want a partner though, otherwise it gets tedious. Last year I was trying to get to 315 x 1. Around 275, my increases stopped. The heavy negatives at around 405 helped me reach 315. Anyway, just find a machine that can stop the weight from actually hitting your chest, either a smith machine or a cage. Put significantly more than your max on the bar. Lift off the holders and let it drop as slowly as you possibly can. Get a partner to help you put it back up and do it again.

I also recommend dumbbell bench. Makes your muscles work more.

I second this.

One thing I've noticed about SL5X5 versus bodybuilding type splits is lack of joint pain. Doing all of the isolated movements (barbell/dumbbell curls, tricep extentions/skullcrushers/pushdowns, etc) eventually caused me significant elbow pain. The compound movements don't and they seem to be adding more quality mass.

I bet if you asked the layman weightlifter/bodybuilder "what builds better bicep mass, heavy barbell curls or heavy deadlifts?" that 90% of them would say the curls. I disagree.

I'll third this.

On my last set of deadlifts, my arms were jello. I haven't been able to do that yet on any of the arm exercises.

oh come on. give me a break. how are deadlifts making your arms jello? i've yet to finish a set of deadlifts and say to myself "wow what a great arm workout"

I second this.

One thing I've noticed about SL5X5 versus bodybuilding type splits is lack of joint pain. Doing all of the isolated movements (barbell/dumbbell curls, tricep extentions/skullcrushers/pushdowns, etc) eventually caused me significant elbow pain. The compound movements don't and they seem to be adding more quality mass.

I bet if you asked the layman weightlifter/bodybuilder "what builds better bicep mass, heavy barbell curls or heavy deadlifts?" that 90% of them would say the curls. I disagree.

I'll third this.

On my last set of deadlifts, my arms were jello. I haven't been able to do that yet on any of the arm exercises.

oh come on. give me a break. how are deadlifts making your arms jello? i've yet to finish a set of deadlifts and say to myself "wow what a great arm workout"

My arms have never felt like Jello but deadlifts ARE a better mass builder for arms than curls, IMO. As they say "curls for the girls."

you seemed to know your stuff so hearing an ignorant comment like that is interesting.

most if not all? give me a break man. there's another comment out of thin air.
and yes i think a barbell curl is a better mass builder than a deadlift for your biceps. deadliftsdo work your entire body, but like i said before i've never felt like a had a great arm workout after deadlifts. your forearms get taxed from holding onto the bar, but basically your arms and hands are acting like hooks and the reason the weight is moving is because of back and legs. you know this though. i don't know what jroush is talking about saying his arms feel like jello. maybe he's pulling too much with his arms to get the weight started or something.
now if you had said barbell rows or pullups you may be on to something.
this obviously isn't going anywhere constructive though so have a nice day.

I would also rank deadlifts as better for arms than curls. This often gets overlooked because people think that the only way to work a muscle is through flexing the said muscle. During a deadlift, your biceps (and many other muscle) do not flex, however they do still contract isometricly and they do so under a heavier load then you could ever do with curls. Same goes for squats being better for your abs than thousands of situps.

Keep in mind we (or at least I am) are talking about MASS not SIZE, these often get lumped together as synonyms but they are not. Curls may build bigger arms than deadlifts, but they will not build stronger arms.

And yes, most of the original bodybuilders (Arnold, Reg Park, etc…) started as powerlifters and trained in the compound exercises. Today if you look at many bodybuilders they have big and flashy muscles but they are actually not very strong; aside from the top bodybuilders like Cutller and Coleman, but these guys also squat and deadlift heavy.