What Do You Think of the "Free to Be Hairy" Movement
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Picture and some of the message board posts regarding a woman on Survivor in 2010.
"Couldnt she have lasered it off or something? I thought I remember one of the ladies talking about it pre-show about how they had everything lasered off so it wouldnt grow back as fast?"
" None of the other girls had that *kitten*. She is just nasty in every way. I bet she has rank B.O. as well."
"*barfs*"
Yep. It is a NON Issue that NO ONE cares about
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Yes exactly.
If no one cares about it and everyone truly thinks 'your body, your choice' why all these comments when somebody doesn't remove their hair?
There are no comments if we see a woman with hair less underarms.
If it is a non issue to everyone there would be no such comments about it when she has hair either.5 -
paperpudding wrote: »Yes exactly.
If no one cares about it and everyone truly thinks 'your body, your choice' why all these comments when somebody doesn't remove their hair?
There are no comments if we see a woman with hair less underarms.
If it is a non issue to everyone there would be no such comments about it when she has hair either.
yup, people act all "ohhh its no big deal who cares blah blah blah" but i bet you a good number of the people who said that in this thread would laugh and snark with their friends if they saw a women with body hair in public
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peppermintpudgy wrote: »Hairy, hairy pits!
Your power is infinite!
Awe and inspire us.
Haha! You got flagged!! You just know I'm not offended at all by your post, but I wanted to say you should post more often on the Haiku thread, you're good at it!! xo1 -
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I doubt he went out looking for this conversation, must've caught his attention as he was one of the first to post a response. You're missing the point he is trying to make with what he found online.sunn_lighter wrote: »Peter_Brady wrote: »Picture and some of the message board posts regarding a woman on Survivor in 2010.
"Couldnt she have lasered it off or something? I thought I remember one of the ladies talking about it pre-show about how they had everything lasered off so it wouldnt grow back as fast?"
" None of the other girls had that *kitten*. She is just nasty in every way. I bet she has rank B.O. as well."
"*barfs*"
Yep. It is a NON Issue that NO ONE cares about
did you really go out looking for some conversation that talked about people caring about pit hair and then found some thread on a 6 year old forum and then reposted it here?
i guess you did
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MissMonicaC4 wrote: »Just no. I mean yah I get the fact that its your body. Your choice.. But what wrong with a type of slight expectation? Like showering and deodorant.. Things like that shouldnt be a form of expression or rebellion. Use your brain and thoughts to free yourself but please take care of yourself. I may get hate for my opinion.. I truly dont mean harm and at the end of the day I wouldnt treat anyone bad for it but its just my 2 cents.
So you believe shaving is part of "taking care of yourself", like showering or wearing deodorant... Then why don't (most) men shave their pits/body hair?
I think you are missing the point, sweetheart.4 -
sunn_lighter wrote: »Peter_Brady wrote: »Picture and some of the message board posts regarding a woman on Survivor in 2010.
"Couldnt she have lasered it off or something? I thought I remember one of the ladies talking about it pre-show about how they had everything lasered off so it wouldnt grow back as fast?"
" None of the other girls had that *kitten*. She is just nasty in every way. I bet she has rank B.O. as well."
"*barfs*"
Yep. It is a NON Issue that NO ONE cares about
did you really go out looking for some conversation that talked about people caring about pit hair and then found some thread on a 6 year old forum and then reposted it here?
i guess you did
Actually, I have followed several Survivor message boards since the show originated and remembered there was a thread ridiculing the contestants armpit hair. The ridiculous posts in this thread reminded me of the ridiculous posts I recalled reading there. Considering the same type of comments are being made here, apparently not much has changed since that ANCIENT thread on the Survivor message board.3 -
salembambi wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Yes exactly.
If no one cares about it and everyone truly thinks 'your body, your choice' why all these comments when somebody doesn't remove their hair?
There are no comments if we see a woman with hair less underarms.
If it is a non issue to everyone there would be no such comments about it when she has hair either.
yup, people act all "ohhh its no big deal who cares blah blah blah" but i bet you a good number of the people who said that in this thread would laugh and snark with their friends if they saw a women with body hair in public
What I wonder is, why would y'all care what others thought about women having body hair? I mean, I'd care about my wife's opinion in regards to matters such as this, but random Internet people? The guy who sells carpet for a living over on Main Street? The professor at the local college? Yeah, I don't give a flying *kitten* what they think.1 -
I know a lot of you are sick of this discussion... but it seems to me it's about much more than body hair, as many of you have pointed out.
This is a quote from something I wrote for another context:
In “Making Up Is Hard to Do,” Sheila Jeffreys “critically examines the claim that everyday beauty practices are good and useful aspects of women’s lives” (165). She analyzes the history of gendered beauty practices such as wearing makeup that have come to be accepted not only as “natural” but, in many workplaces, as a requirement for women’s—but not men’s—appearance. The pressure for women to appear “appropriately” is felt not only in the workplace, where women can be penalized for failure to wear makeup (or to shave or wax), but also in the mental health field, where too much attention to makeup and appearance is pathologized as indicative of a psychological disorder while at the same time failure to pay “enough” attention to appearance is also perceived as an indicator that a woman is psychologically unfit. Ultimately, Jeffreys makes a strong case that personal grooming practices that have become normalized for women are not “normal” or “natural” but rather culturally harmful practices that demand a great deal of women’s time, energy, and money. Some beauty practices such as depilation can be painful; some hair dye and makeup is toxic; and many women spend years of their lives engaged in beauty practices—time they could be spending more productively in other realms of their lives.
(Of course, men are pressured to live up to unattainable standards as well, but not penalized for transgressions of beauty norms to the extent women are, nor subject to so many.)8 -
This is the thread the never ends. I never knew people were so passionate about body hair etc. I guess ya gotta find something to *kitten* about, might as well be body hair! I'm gonna start a movement to get pineapple off of pizza.1
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_A_Real_Mouthful wrote: »peppermintpudgy wrote: »I know a lot of you are sick of this discussion... but it seems to me it's about much more than body hair, as many of you have pointed out.
This is a quote from something I wrote for another context:
In “Making Up Is Hard to Do,” Sheila Jeffreys “critically examines the claim that everyday beauty practices are good and useful aspects of women’s lives” (165). She analyzes the history of gendered beauty practices such as wearing makeup that have come to be accepted not only as “natural” but, in many workplaces, as a requirement for women’s—but not men’s—appearance. The pressure for women to appear “appropriately” is felt not only in the workplace, where women can be penalized for failure to wear makeup (or to shave or wax), but also in the mental health field, where too much attention to makeup and appearance is pathologized as indicative of a psychological disorder while at the same time failure to pay “enough” attention to appearance is also perceived as an indicator that a woman is psychologically unfit. Ultimately, Jeffreys makes a strong case that personal grooming practices that have become normalized for women are not “normal” or “natural” but rather culturally harmful practices that demand a great deal of women’s time, energy, and money. Some beauty practices such as depilation can be painful; some hair dye and makeup is toxic; and many women spend years of their lives engaged in beauty practices—time they could be spending more productively in other realms of their lives.
(Of course, men are pressured to live up to unattainable standards as well, but not penalized for transgressions of beauty norms to the extent women are, nor subject to so many.)
So you're saying all I need is a sword and an ax?1 -
Cameron_1969 wrote: »_A_Real_Mouthful wrote: »peppermintpudgy wrote: »I know a lot of you are sick of this discussion... but it seems to me it's about much more than body hair, as many of you have pointed out.
This is a quote from something I wrote for another context:
In “Making Up Is Hard to Do,” Sheila Jeffreys “critically examines the claim that everyday beauty practices are good and useful aspects of women’s lives” (165). She analyzes the history of gendered beauty practices such as wearing makeup that have come to be accepted not only as “natural” but, in many workplaces, as a requirement for women’s—but not men’s—appearance. The pressure for women to appear “appropriately” is felt not only in the workplace, where women can be penalized for failure to wear makeup (or to shave or wax), but also in the mental health field, where too much attention to makeup and appearance is pathologized as indicative of a psychological disorder while at the same time failure to pay “enough” attention to appearance is also perceived as an indicator that a woman is psychologically unfit. Ultimately, Jeffreys makes a strong case that personal grooming practices that have become normalized for women are not “normal” or “natural” but rather culturally harmful practices that demand a great deal of women’s time, energy, and money. Some beauty practices such as depilation can be painful; some hair dye and makeup is toxic; and many women spend years of their lives engaged in beauty practices—time they could be spending more productively in other realms of their lives.
(Of course, men are pressured to live up to unattainable standards as well, but not penalized for transgressions of beauty norms to the extent women are, nor subject to so many.)
So you're saying all I need is a sword and an ax?
You are ignoring (and lacking) the most important trait of He-Man. The Mullet.1 -
_A_Real_Mouthful wrote: »peppermintpudgy wrote: »I know a lot of you are sick of this discussion... but it seems to me it's about much more than body hair, as many of you have pointed out.
This is a quote from something I wrote for another context:
In “Making Up Is Hard to Do,” Sheila Jeffreys “critically examines the claim that everyday beauty practices are good and useful aspects of women’s lives” (165). She analyzes the history of gendered beauty practices such as wearing makeup that have come to be accepted not only as “natural” but, in many workplaces, as a requirement for women’s—but not men’s—appearance. The pressure for women to appear “appropriately” is felt not only in the workplace, where women can be penalized for failure to wear makeup (or to shave or wax), but also in the mental health field, where too much attention to makeup and appearance is pathologized as indicative of a psychological disorder while at the same time failure to pay “enough” attention to appearance is also perceived as an indicator that a woman is psychologically unfit. Ultimately, Jeffreys makes a strong case that personal grooming practices that have become normalized for women are not “normal” or “natural” but rather culturally harmful practices that demand a great deal of women’s time, energy, and money. Some beauty practices such as depilation can be painful; some hair dye and makeup is toxic; and many women spend years of their lives engaged in beauty practices—time they could be spending more productively in other realms of their lives.
(Of course, men are pressured to live up to unattainable standards as well, but not penalized for transgressions of beauty norms to the extent women are, nor subject to so many.)
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It's more of a bowl I think.Peter_Brady wrote: »Cameron_1969 wrote: »_A_Real_Mouthful wrote: »peppermintpudgy wrote: »I know a lot of you are sick of this discussion... but it seems to me it's about much more than body hair, as many of you have pointed out.
This is a quote from something I wrote for another context:
In “Making Up Is Hard to Do,” Sheila Jeffreys “critically examines the claim that everyday beauty practices are good and useful aspects of women’s lives” (165). She analyzes the history of gendered beauty practices such as wearing makeup that have come to be accepted not only as “natural” but, in many workplaces, as a requirement for women’s—but not men’s—appearance. The pressure for women to appear “appropriately” is felt not only in the workplace, where women can be penalized for failure to wear makeup (or to shave or wax), but also in the mental health field, where too much attention to makeup and appearance is pathologized as indicative of a psychological disorder while at the same time failure to pay “enough” attention to appearance is also perceived as an indicator that a woman is psychologically unfit. Ultimately, Jeffreys makes a strong case that personal grooming practices that have become normalized for women are not “normal” or “natural” but rather culturally harmful practices that demand a great deal of women’s time, energy, and money. Some beauty practices such as depilation can be painful; some hair dye and makeup is toxic; and many women spend years of their lives engaged in beauty practices—time they could be spending more productively in other realms of their lives.
(Of course, men are pressured to live up to unattainable standards as well, but not penalized for transgressions of beauty norms to the extent women are, nor subject to so many.)
So you're saying all I need is a sword and an ax?
You are ignoring (and lacking) the most important trait of He-Man. The Mullet.1 -
saramickeydee wrote: »
It's more of a bowl I think.Peter_Brady wrote: »Cameron_1969 wrote: »_A_Real_Mouthful wrote: »peppermintpudgy wrote: »I know a lot of you are sick of this discussion... but it seems to me it's about much more than body hair, as many of you have pointed out.
This is a quote from something I wrote for another context:
In “Making Up Is Hard to Do,” Sheila Jeffreys “critically examines the claim that everyday beauty practices are good and useful aspects of women’s lives” (165). She analyzes the history of gendered beauty practices such as wearing makeup that have come to be accepted not only as “natural” but, in many workplaces, as a requirement for women’s—but not men’s—appearance. The pressure for women to appear “appropriately” is felt not only in the workplace, where women can be penalized for failure to wear makeup (or to shave or wax), but also in the mental health field, where too much attention to makeup and appearance is pathologized as indicative of a psychological disorder while at the same time failure to pay “enough” attention to appearance is also perceived as an indicator that a woman is psychologically unfit. Ultimately, Jeffreys makes a strong case that personal grooming practices that have become normalized for women are not “normal” or “natural” but rather culturally harmful practices that demand a great deal of women’s time, energy, and money. Some beauty practices such as depilation can be painful; some hair dye and makeup is toxic; and many women spend years of their lives engaged in beauty practices—time they could be spending more productively in other realms of their lives.
(Of course, men are pressured to live up to unattainable standards as well, but not penalized for transgressions of beauty norms to the extent women are, nor subject to so many.)
So you're saying all I need is a sword and an ax?
You are ignoring (and lacking) the most important trait of He-Man. The Mullet.
A Bowllet
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Oh my gosh the picture!
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@peppermintpudgy Beautifully said.2
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peppermintpudgy wrote: »I know a lot of you are sick of this discussion... but it seems to me it's about much more than body hair, as many of you have pointed out.
This is a quote from something I wrote for another context:
In “Making Up Is Hard to Do,” Sheila Jeffreys “critically examines the claim that everyday beauty practices are good and useful aspects of women’s lives” (165). She analyzes the history of gendered beauty practices such as wearing makeup that have come to be accepted not only as “natural” but, in many workplaces, as a requirement for women’s—but not men’s—appearance. The pressure for women to appear “appropriately” is felt not only in the workplace, where women can be penalized for failure to wear makeup (or to shave or wax), but also in the mental health field, where too much attention to makeup and appearance is pathologized as indicative of a psychological disorder while at the same time failure to pay “enough” attention to appearance is also perceived as an indicator that a woman is psychologically unfit. Ultimately, Jeffreys makes a strong case that personal grooming practices that have become normalized for women are not “normal” or “natural” but rather culturally harmful practices that demand a great deal of women’s time, energy, and money. Some beauty practices such as depilation can be painful; some hair dye and makeup is toxic; and many women spend years of their lives engaged in beauty practices—time they could be spending more productively in other realms of their lives.
(Of course, men are pressured to live up to unattainable standards as well, but not penalized for transgressions of beauty norms to the extent women are, nor subject to so many.)
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Yes I agree with the bolded too - It isn't about body hair per se but about expectations and pressures put on women - partly done by the shame and disgust directed toward women who do not strive or reach these artificial ideals.
Yes of course it is fine for people to do what they want with their own body ( I do shave legs and underarms myself, none of us are immune from cultural influences) and of course it is fine you have a preference about appearances of others - just like some people are attracted to blondes or whatever.
But that doesn't equal calling the people who are not of your attraction preference or who don't do as you do gross or unhygienic or not making an effort etc.
and this only seems to be done to women - if men do or do not remove body hair it doesn't carry the same connotations.1 -
paperpudding wrote: »Yes I agree with the bolded too - It isn't about body hair per se but about expectations and pressures put on women - partly done by the shame and disgust directed toward women who do not strive or reach these artificial ideals.
Yes of course it is fine for people to do what they want with their own body ( I do shave legs and underarms myself, none of us are immune from cultural influences) and of course it is fine you have a preference about appearances of others - just like some people are attracted to blondes or whatever.
But that doesn't equal calling the people who are not of your attraction preference or who don't do as you do gross or unhygienic or not making an effort etc.
and this only seems to be done to women - if men do or do not remove body hair it doesn't carry the same connotations.
I think you'll find that many men and women would call a man who shaves his legs or arm pits gay, womanly or similar adjectives.1 -
Well not in this thread they haven't - although the attitudes to women have been expressed several times.
And interesting that men can do nothing ie be their natural un hair removed bodies, but women cannot.
Natural men are ok but we want to glorify artificial concepts of beauty for women.
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paperpudding wrote: »Well not in this thread they haven't - although the attitudes to women have been expressed several times.
And interesting that men can do nothing ie be their natural un hair removed bodies, but women cannot.
Natural men are ok but we want to glorify artificial concepts of beauty for women.
Well thats right, this is a thread about the free to be hairy movement. It doesnt surprise me that people arent talking about their thoughts on men shaving, it doesnt really belong here.
Look I'm not disagreeing with your main point or saying that men have it just as bad as women, i just felt the impulse to nitpick that one minor detail.1 -
paperpudding wrote: »Well not in this thread they haven't - although the attitudes to women have been expressed several times.
And interesting that men can do nothing ie be their natural un hair removed bodies, but women cannot.
Natural men are ok but we want to glorify artificial concepts of beauty for women.
Well thats right, this is a thread about the free to be hairy movement. It doesnt surprise me that people arent talking about their thoughts on men shaving, it doesnt really belong here.
Look I'm not disagreeing with your main point or saying that men have it just as bad as women, i just felt the impulse to nitpick that one minor detail.
Well, you did make ME think. And that's good. It's good to question our own prejudices. So in that light: It's true that I find overly groomed men unattractive, but I TRY not to make judgements about their sexual orientation or masculinity.4 -
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_A_Real_Mouthful wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Well not in this thread they haven't - although the attitudes to women have been expressed several times.
And interesting that men can do nothing ie be their natural un hair removed bodies, but women cannot.
Natural men are ok but we want to glorify artificial concepts of beauty for women.
so there's nothing wrong with fat gross dudes who can only grow a neckbeard then eh?
but there is. everybody makes fun of them. rightly so. just google neckbeard meme.
and women can do anything they want. if you or anybody wants to grow their leg/armpit hair out 6 feet long, knock yourself out, nobody can/will stop you. but its not what most guys want. most women would look at you as aberrant as well if you did I'd think.
Trying to change societal standards of what most heterosexual men want by growing your leg hair out is the same as hardcore christians believing they can "pray away the gay".
its not going to happen.
I know for myself, I'm not trying to change what guys want. What I'm trying to change is the negative attitude thrown at women who don't shave (even those who just skip a day are judged).
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