What Do You Think of the "Free to Be Hairy" Movement
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Maybe you should read through the thread and see what I've already said before you talk. It's like you intentionally ignore things just to get someone upset, I'll no longer engage you and your crowd. I already don't care what they think of me, I'm confident, comfortable in my own skin. I care that they (men AND women) think it's okay to treat women poorly and criticize them for making a choice that doesn't align with societal expectations, because IT IS NOT.sunn_lighter wrote: »MsAmandaNJ wrote: »_A_Real_Mouthful wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Well not in this thread they haven't - although the attitudes to women have been expressed several times.
And interesting that men can do nothing ie be their natural un hair removed bodies, but women cannot.
Natural men are ok but we want to glorify artificial concepts of beauty for women.
so there's nothing wrong with fat gross dudes who can only grow a neckbeard then eh?
but there is. everybody makes fun of them. rightly so. just google neckbeard meme.
and women can do anything they want. if you or anybody wants to grow their leg/armpit hair out 6 feet long, knock yourself out, nobody can/will stop you. but its not what most guys want. most women would look at you as aberrant as well if you did I'd think.
Trying to change societal standards of what most heterosexual men want by growing your leg hair out is the same as hardcore christians believing they can "pray away the gay".
its not going to happen.
I know for myself, I'm not trying to change what guys want. What I'm trying to change is the negative attitude thrown at women who don't shave (even those who just skip a day are judged).
instead of trying to change other people's attitudes maybe the answer is to stop caring what they think and then it has no power over you anyway
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Huh. Got your number._A_Real_Mouthful wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Well not in this thread they haven't - although the attitudes to women have been expressed several times.
And interesting that men can do nothing ie be their natural un hair removed bodies, but women cannot.
Natural men are ok but we want to glorify artificial concepts of beauty for women.
so there's nothing wrong with fat gross dudes who can only grow a neckbeard then eh?
but there is. everybody makes fun of them. rightly so. just google neckbeard meme.
and women can do anything they want. if you or anybody wants to grow their leg/armpit hair out 6 feet long, knock yourself out, nobody can/will stop you. but its not what most guys want. most women would look at you as aberrant as well if you did I'd think.
trying to change societal standards of what most heterosexual men want by growing your leg hair out is the same as hardcore christians believing they can "pray away the gay".
its not going to happen.
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No thanks1
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Peter_Brady wrote: »Picture and some of the message board posts regarding a woman on Survivor in 2010.
"Couldnt she have lasered it off or something? I thought I remember one of the ladies talking about it pre-show about how they had everything lasered off so it wouldnt grow back as fast?"
" None of the other girls had that *kitten*. She is just nasty in every way. I bet she has rank B.O. as well."
"*barfs*"
Yep. It is a NON Issue that NO ONE cares about
I think, and I could be wrong here, but I think that when people are saying "no one cares" they are using hyperbole. It would seem that no matter what the issue, you will be able to find internet comments from people complaining about it. I have seen people complain about rescuing puppies. AND EVERYONE LOVES PUPPIES (more hyperbole).
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sunn_lighter wrote: »MsAmandaNJ wrote: »_A_Real_Mouthful wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Well not in this thread they haven't - although the attitudes to women have been expressed several times.
And interesting that men can do nothing ie be their natural un hair removed bodies, but women cannot.
Natural men are ok but we want to glorify artificial concepts of beauty for women.
so there's nothing wrong with fat gross dudes who can only grow a neckbeard then eh?
but there is. everybody makes fun of them. rightly so. just google neckbeard meme.
and women can do anything they want. if you or anybody wants to grow their leg/armpit hair out 6 feet long, knock yourself out, nobody can/will stop you. but its not what most guys want. most women would look at you as aberrant as well if you did I'd think.
Trying to change societal standards of what most heterosexual men want by growing your leg hair out is the same as hardcore christians believing they can "pray away the gay".
its not going to happen.
I know for myself, I'm not trying to change what guys want. What I'm trying to change is the negative attitude thrown at women who don't shave (even those who just skip a day are judged).
instead of trying to change other people's attitudes maybe the answer is to stop caring what they think and then it has no power over you anyway
Exactly....YOU DO YOU, I'll do ME!2 -
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Shave da who who at least.2
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"Hairy armpits are a path to the Neo feminist side . Hairy leads to pain , pain leads to anger . anger leads to hate , hate leads to suffering "- Yoda - From the movie - The clone feminist wars . ...........Next sequal - Return of the woman, balance restored .0
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What a lively conversation Ive started1
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I hate body hair to such a extreme that I shave my arms so no I couldn't do it. But to each their own1
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otherusernamestaken wrote: »Meh. If we as a society has said we have to be mum about Caitlin Jenner pretending to be a woman or else you're a something-phobe, then why is it anybody's business if you have hair on your pits or not? Why is this even a conversation.
He'll always be Bruce to me. And if I see him on the street, I'll say " Hi Bruce." Yes I will.
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_A_Real_Mouthful wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Well not in this thread they haven't - although the attitudes to women have been expressed several times.
And interesting that men can do nothing ie be their natural un hair removed bodies, but women cannot.
Natural men are ok but we want to glorify artificial concepts of beauty for women.
so there's nothing wrong with fat gross dudes who can only grow a neckbeard then eh?
but there is. everybody makes fun of them. rightly so. just google neckbeard meme.
and women can do anything they want. if you or anybody wants to grow their leg/armpit hair out 6 feet long, knock yourself out, nobody can/will stop you. but its not what most guys want. most women would look at you as aberrant as well if you did I'd think.
trying to change societal standards of what most heterosexual men want by growing your leg hair out is the same as hardcore christians believing they can "pray away the gay".
its not going to happen.
Yes but the point isn't what heterosexual men prefer but the fact that this is so ingrained in western cultures as an artificial standard of beauty. Men don't just prefer something in a vacuum - it is a cultural expectation developed over the last century in our culture.
Other cultures and other times ( in fact just about every culture and times except ours) have not expected women to have hair less legs or armpits.
And it goes way beyond just having your own preference - eg the post just after this discussion showing the photos and saying 'disgusting'
Why is the natural female body disgusting?
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I would love to do it although I feel much cleaner when they are shaved. I think it looks better shaved, but thats probably societies years of brain washing. Deep down I figure if men don't shave why should we? Only fair. It would take some getting used to but eventually I would be game.3
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I find this "movement" somewhat funny. I am one for you do what you want. But calling this a movement like you not shaving is some sort of thumbing your nose a society, when it truly doesn't matter. I personally find body hair disgusting (by the way my husband does shave everywhere). But that's me I love being clean shaven. It's also true germs, sweat and bacteria are tapped easier when you have hair on your body. But don't pretend that you are some sort of crusader for a cause just because you don't shave.2
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Euwww ...give those ladies a razor lol
A personal choice but not for me....2 -
How the kittening kitten kitten is this thread still existing?! I'm seriously flabbergasted.
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_A_Real_Mouthful wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »_A_Real_Mouthful wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Well not in this thread they haven't - although the attitudes to women have been expressed several times.
And interesting that men can do nothing ie be their natural un hair removed bodies, but women cannot.
Natural men are ok but we want to glorify artificial concepts of beauty for women.
so there's nothing wrong with fat gross dudes who can only grow a neckbeard then eh?
but there is. everybody makes fun of them. rightly so. just google neckbeard meme.
and women can do anything they want. if you or anybody wants to grow their leg/armpit hair out 6 feet long, knock yourself out, nobody can/will stop you. but its not what most guys want. most women would look at you as aberrant as well if you did I'd think.
trying to change societal standards of what most heterosexual men want by growing your leg hair out is the same as hardcore christians believing they can "pray away the gay".
its not going to happen.
Yes but the point isn't what heterosexual men prefer but the fact that this is so ingrained in western cultures as an artificial standard of beauty. Men don't just prefer something in a vacuum - it is a cultural expectation developed over the last century in our culture.
Other cultures and other times ( in fact just about every culture and times except ours) have not expected women to have hair less legs or armpits.
And it goes way beyond just having your own preference - eg the post just after this discussion showing the photos and saying 'disgusting'
Why is the natural female body disgusting?
why are balding guys who rock a combover disgusting?
sexual preference same as everything else. true those guys could keep just letting it grow but it looks absurd when they do and its definitely not preferred in the sexual marketplace.
artificial standards aren't always a bad thing. or else we'd all look like grungy cave men/women and we'd stink to high heaven...if you say women shaving their leg/body hair is an artificial standard, why not makeup? what about deodorant? what about clear skin products? moisturizers? toothpaste? after all its all natural to not use those things- where do you draw the line? who gets to decide the line?
the sexual market decides it. anybody is free to do anything they want with their own body, least here in the US. I love that, its a beautiful thing, but you can't act like there's something wrong with everybody else when you as an individual choose to go against the flow. that's just silly.
Yes of course make up is also an artificial beauty standard.
Not quite the same as toothpaste or deodorant which are hygiene products, they do not change your appearance.
The sexual market or what people find sexually attractive does not develop by itself, in Other words people don't develop individual tastes in a vacuum, it is a cultural influence and to a large degree that is fuelled by commercial interests in our culture.
And I didn't say there is anything wrong with anyone else or even that I go against the flow. In fact I said the opposite - that I do shave my armpits and legs - but that is only my preference for me, not a statement about what others should or should not do or that they are disgusting if they do differently to me.
But I rec ognise my choice is not made in a vacuum, it is culturally influenced, just like all other beauty and fashion choices.
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RunRutheeRun wrote: »Euwww ...give those ladies a razor lol
A personal choice but not for me....
A personal choice but ewww if they don't do same as you?
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Yes people can say it is disgusting, it is a free country.otherusernamestaken wrote: »ncboiler89 wrote: »otherusernamestaken wrote: »Meh. If we as a society has said we have to be mum about Caitlin Jenner pretending to be a woman or else you're a something-phobe, then why is it anybody's business if you have hair on your pits or not? Why is this even a conversation.
He'll always be Bruce to me. And if I see him on the street, I'll say " Hi Bruce." Yes I will.
LOL@ this being flagged
Thought police at work. Can't disagree with someone disfiguring themselves to feel more comfortable, but someone bleaches their skin or cuts to make themselves more comfortable and it's a tragedy. Women leave their hair where it wants to grow? Well, by all means, call it disgusting because its a free country and you can say whatever you want. Hypocritical much?
Others are free to comment on their comment, it is a free country.
Not seeing any hypocrisy.
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People can also address more than one issue at a time. I notice a tendency for people to dismiss non world important issues that they don't agree with by saying where are your priorities?
As if people addressing a non world important issue can not also have more serious concerns.
If that were not the case none of us would be on chit chest thread at all, unless we had no other concerns or priorities.2 -
paperpudding wrote: »People can also address more than one issue at a time. I notice a tendency for people to dismiss non world important issues that they don't agree with by saying where are your priorities?
As if people addressing a non world important issue can not also have more serious concerns.
If that were not the case none of us would be on chit chest thread at all, unless we had no other concerns or priorities.
Are you able to summarise very briefly the point you've been making?
People shouldn't care about what others do with their bodies? Women shouldn't have to shave? Women have to shave because of culture, and that's a bad thing / good thing / just a thing? If women have to shave then so should men? Women and men should be treated the same in all things? Women are at a disadvantage in our society? The patriarchy dictates what women do with their bodies?
This thing has been going on for 9 pages too long and I'm just confused now.1
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