You NEED to stop calorie counting and restricting!
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what I was trying to say is that what you eat does not mean that all of it is digested
in my case, I don't know the exact amount, but I was taken into hospital and when they opened me up, a section of my intestines were rotten as they put it and had to be chopped out as it were, so my intestines is shorter than the normal person, thus the food goes from one end to the other quicker than a normal person, sorry if you are eating...
10000 was extreme, for example, right now telling MFP that if I want to lose 2lbs per week, it is saying I should eat just over 1500 cals per day, but even at 1500, not all of the food eaten is digested unless they are easily digested, granted, some foods are harder to digest than others and not everyone will digest them, but for me, more of them are harder to digest if that makes sense
so even if I eat 1500, unless the body digests and intakes it all, my calorie intake would be 1500 but the amount the body absorbed as it were would not be 1500 if that makes sense?
I think it should be CaCo, calorie absorbed and calorie out, as like in my case, what I eat does not mean that my body has absorbed it all, even though that is the case for everyone, but for people like myself, unless the food is easy to digest, then the difference is higher than the normal person
1 calorie eaten, not absorbed by the body and then out undigested is different from 1 calorie eaten, digested and aborbed and then out
or take 2 people, both eat the same amount of food and calories, 2000 kcal, but both only need 1500 kcal to substain their weight, one digests/aborbs 1750, the other only 1250, who is going to gain weight and who is going to lose weight?
as for when I was in ICU, yes, at one point, my food as it were was via IV, but that is irrelevant, I brought that up to say that my body has less time to digest the food than a normal person due to the surgery
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I find that I maintain at a lower number of calories. My TDEE is only about 1400-1600 but MFP says it should be higher like 1750. I don't want to go below 1200 calories because MFP won't allow it plus I am hungry all the time at those calories. I am happy at 1500 calories and maintain there without gaining. MFP says i should lose 0.5 pounds a week at 1500. I don't. But I am stuck needing to lose 10 more pounds but being frustrated at how difficult it is to make headway.0
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not actually seeing any doctor regarding my weight, just my epilepsy, just says I need to be more active, I'm borderline obese/overweight now, just a few more lbs then I am out of the obese range!
the weight loss has really only started earlier this year, strangely enough when I started watching The Biggest Loser, I think the size of some of those on the show was kind of like a wake up call
according to MFP with me telling it I want to lose 2lbs per week, it has told me to eat 1520 and I am sure my nutrients intake is less than it needs to be, but how much less I've no idea, I try to eat a range of food and alot of it is veggies, I already take a load for my epilepsy so try not to take any more
as for being able to eat more to still lose the same, probably, but the amount I eat now is filling enough, what I keep getting told is to eat slowly, which was my biggest problem before, I used to eat quickly, and get moaned at all the time for not chewing the food fully etc and allowing the stomach to tell the brain that it is full, so by the time I knew I was full, I had already eaten far more than it in reality needed
for example, whilst chatting here and watching football, I have been eating pasta, before I would have eaten it all, but now I have only eaten half the bowl and am full, instead of eating it all and being bloated
no idea how much my body is absorbing as it were, I don't think you can accurately count it, especially when you add exercise etc into it, but calorie in, calorie out would probably the best guide, as at least that is something you can keep track of
anyway, football time! Northern Ireland Vs Poland, don't care who wins, just be a good match!1 -
The Ca/Co discussion had reminded me of something my son said a co-worker friend had. I don't want to get flagged, so I erased the comment.1
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not actually seeing any doctor regarding my weight, just my epilepsy, just says I need to be more active, I'm borderline obese/overweight now, just a few more lbs then I am out of the obese range!
the weight loss has really only started earlier this year, strangely enough when I started watching The Biggest Loser, I think the size of some of those on the show was kind of like a wake up call
according to MFP with me telling it I want to lose 2lbs per week, it has told me to eat 1520 and I am sure my nutrients intake is less than it needs to be, but how much less I've no idea, I try to eat a range of food and alot of it is veggies, I already take a load for my epilepsy so try not to take any more
as for being able to eat more to still lose the same, probably, but the amount I eat now is filling enough, what I keep getting told is to eat slowly, which was my biggest problem before, I used to eat quickly, and get moaned at all the time for not chewing the food fully etc and allowing the stomach to tell the brain that it is full, so by the time I knew I was full, I had already eaten far more than it in reality needed
for example, whilst chatting here and watching football, I have been eating pasta, before I would have eaten it all, but now I have only eaten half the bowl and am full, instead of eating it all and being bloated
no idea how much my body is absorbing as it were, I don't think you can accurately count it, especially when you add exercise etc into it, but calorie in, calorie out would probably the best guide, as at least that is something you can keep track of
anyway, football time! Northern Ireland Vs Poland, don't care who wins, just be a good match!
Hmm you're right, exercise could kind of throw the equation. Yeah from what you said about not absorbing all the nutrients, you could eat more and lose the same, OR eat the same and lose more than expected. There's no big calculation to be done, really. If you've been logging accurately for 15 weeks, did you lose 30 lbs? Or more? Or less? So that's where exercise could kind of throw a wrench into things but i was still a bit curious1 -
I do believe in CICO. If one eats less than one burns off then there will be weight loss. The point that I'm making is that it is difficult for some people to lose weight due to medical issues. I'm not sure what percentage of people on here have normal metabolisms vs those who have insulin resistance, hypothyroidism, etc?CICO does apply to every person. Nonetheless, there are health issues that impact speed of gaining and losing.
I suppose a person who has medical conditions has to figure out what their CICO level is through trial and error? YMMV.
Understood. I've seen a lot of posts where people blame weight gain on medical issues. So, if you have a medical issue that you (in the general sense, not you personally.
) know affects your weight, it's time to take charge by adjusting your calorie intake.
You are right though, health issues do have an impact. However, for most people who have gained weight, the problem is eating too much whether or not we have a medical condition.
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Wow. People aren't really researching the entire thing Lol. (It's mainly for the extreme calorie restriction, not the 1600-1800+ per day intake.)
Calorie counting is okay for a little while. It helps you see just how much food you're eating, and you're able to adjust your habits accordingly. But it can have a huge impact on your metabolism. When you calorie count, and restrict yourself to a mere 1200-1400 or less.. It can actually slow down your metabolism so that when you stop counting, you gain even more weight back and much more quickly.
It's really harsh on your body.
No, you can't eat as many healthy things as you like, and not gain weight, that one is a lie. I mean, if you eat a ton of spinach, or zucchini, no- you probably won't gain much weight because they don't have a lot of calories to them. If you eat a ton of potatoes, or avocados- then yeah, you will gain weight.
And I think it also has to do with how much you exercise. If you're a runner, who runs 5 miles a day- sure eating as much as you like wont have that big of an effect. But if you're sedentary- it will.
http://www.medicaldaily.com/calorie-restriction-diets-dont-work-long-term-how-boost-metabolism-while-eating-carbs-335414
https://www.nia.nih.gov/newsroom/announcements/2009/05/study-shows-metabolic-adaptation-calorie-restriction
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gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Annahbananas wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Here's a guy who ate a huge caloric surplus (high fat, little carb) for a month, and didn't gain weight. How can that be?
Summary: "Here is a difference between overeating and overeating.
When eating bad carbohydrates it’s easy to gain weight quickly. You’ll get plenty of the fat-storing hormone insulin in your blood.
It’s generally hard to gain weight on an LCHF diet. It’s even difficult to eat too much food, as you then usually have to eat more than you want. Even if you force down large amounts of LCHF-food, against your will, the result is usually as it was for Feltham. It’s a constant struggle and weight gain will likely be modest.
Overweight people eating as much as they want on an LCHF diet will typically lose weight."
http://thehealthhelp.co/what-happens-if-you-eat-5800-calories-daily-on-an-lchf-diet/
The claims in this link are just that: claims. Unless this person is working out enough to maintain they are not consuming that much without gaining weight. No one can defy science.
I was eating LCHF and it got me to Obese II. Meats, cheeses, nuts, avocados. Very little refined sugar, and flour and rice products were an extreme rarity.
The "science" this dude spouts is woo. Nutritionally speaking a calorie is not a calorie. But with weight, your body processes a calorie from any source the same way. It is an EXCESS of anything that causes fat storage. There are a lot of articles and such. There is no solid science unless you are talking about a few very specific health issues.
TL;DR version: Subject of the article is not being honest.
Well if you want to believe that eating 1,500 calories of donuts for six months (yes, I know nobody is recommending that) or 1,500 calories of mostly healthy food for six months will result in the same weight loss, be my guest.
Here is one of thousands of articles that says you are absolutely wrong. And he's not selling anything.
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/05/09/fed-up-asks-are-all-calories-equal/
Um...actually if you ate 1500 calories of just donuts a day and it's lower than your weight threshold then, yes, you will lose weight.
But you'll also suffer from extreme malnutrition from not eating the right foods
Calorie in calorie out.
A calorie is a calorie
Sorry, but a calorie is a calorie is a dated notion. Our bodies are not simple bunsen burners.
https://authoritynutrition.com/debunking-the-calorie-myth/
I'm sorry, but woothority nutrition?
Please chose scientiic studies.
Once again, I repeat:
A calorie is a unit of energy. A calorie IS a calorie.
I've lost over 80lbs eating food that includes the food that claims to be the cause of obesity according to the 'sources' you've posted. And, according to you, I should have lost a LOT of weight when I was eating a clean healthy vegetarian diet, but I didn't. I was at over 260lbs. Once I started CICO, I LOST 85lbs. Soooo?
Stop beating the damn dead horse. It's DEAD.10 -
around 30 from early/mid March, so around 2.5lbs per week, although I expect that to go lower as I get more towards my healthy weight, few more lbs and then out of obese and into overweight1
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sashayoung72 wrote: »Holy crow I can't still believe people are trying to refute the CICO, what the are ACTUALLY "crying" about is HOW MANY. We calculate using the basic math but i might require 30 less than someone exactly my weight to maintain or that person over there may burn 1000 more because the workout harder than joe. And I personally have tried eating healthier and found that I lose weight FASTER when the amount of calories is "junkier" I'd say that's because there isn't as much in the junk. It doesn't absorb because your body doesn't need it. But it's not enough of a difference to start an official "study" on and start quoting.
You know there are people still debating whether the earth is round or flat.
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Even those who gain weight or maintain find themselves counting calories. Over a year in, I am still counting calories. Why? It gives me an accurate CI. That's the whole point with calorie counting, so that you can get an accurate CI. I find the more weight I lose, the more accurate I have to be, so I'm not letting go of the scale or calorie counting since my deficit is only -250 cals which is easy to go over with guessing.Calorie counting is okay for a little while. It helps you see just how much food you're eating, and you're able to adjust your habits accordingly. But it can have a huge impact on your metabolism. When you calorie count, and restrict yourself to a mere 1200-1400 or less.. It can actually slow down your metabolism so that when you stop counting, you gain even more weight back and much more quickly.
And, I don't eat 1200-1400 to lose..don't have to. However, 1200 cals being the minimum for women, one can get the proper nutrition...it's tough, but it can be done with nutrient dense foods.
Yes, VLCDs and huge deficits are harsh, which is why it is encouraged to choose the proper deficit for weight loss.It's really harsh on your body.
It doesn't matter what you eat. If you eat over your personal maintenance calories, you will gain weight, even if it is spinach.No, you can't eat as many healthy things as you like, and not gain weight, that one is a lie. I mean, if you eat a ton of spinach, or zucchini, no- you probably won't gain much weight because they don't have a lot of calories to them. If you eat a ton of potatoes, or avocados- then yeah, you will gain weight.
The runner would have a higher TDEE and could technically eat more, but they could still gain weight if they ate over their TDEEAnd I think it also has to do with how much you exercise. If you're a runner, who runs 5 miles a day- sure eating as much as you like wont have that big of an effect. But if you're sedentary- it will.
Also, purely for weight loss, macros aren't really an issue. Macros are a personal preference. I personally like to use the 30-35-35 split as I feel best, but someone may prefer lower carb or even higher carb.
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sashayoung72 wrote: »Holy crow I can't still believe people are trying to refute the CICO, what the are ACTUALLY "crying" about is HOW MANY. We calculate using the basic math but i might require 30 less than someone exactly my weight to maintain or that person over there may burn 1000 more because the workout harder than joe. And I personally have tried eating healthier and found that I lose weight FASTER when the amount of calories is "junkier" I'd say that's because there isn't as much in the junk. It doesn't absorb because your body doesn't need it. But it's not enough of a difference to start an official "study" on and start quoting.
You know there are people still debating whether the earth is round or flat.
neither, it is egg shaped....7 -
CallyBeth08 wrote: »Wow. People aren't really researching the entire thing Lol. (It's mainly for the extreme calorie restriction, not the 1600-1800+ per day intake.)
Calorie counting is okay for a little while. It helps you see just how much food you're eating, and you're able to adjust your habits accordingly. But it can have a huge impact on your metabolism. When you calorie count, and restrict yourself to a mere 1200-1400 or less.. It can actually slow down your metabolism so that when you stop counting, you gain even more weight back and much more quickly.
It's really harsh on your body.
No, you can't eat as many healthy things as you like, and not gain weight, that one is a lie. I mean, if you eat a ton of spinach, or zucchini, no- you probably won't gain much weight because they don't have a lot of calories to them. If you eat a ton of potatoes, or avocados- then yeah, you will gain weight.
And I think it also has to do with how much you exercise. If you're a runner, who runs 5 miles a day- sure eating as much as you like wont have that big of an effect. But if you're sedentary- it will.
http://www.medicaldaily.com/calorie-restriction-diets-dont-work-long-term-how-boost-metabolism-while-eating-carbs-335414
https://www.nia.nih.gov/newsroom/announcements/2009/05/study-shows-metabolic-adaptation-calorie-restriction
FYI: 1400-1500 is what I'm supposed to eat at my healthy weight. It doesn't damage your metabolism to eat a proper number of calories. You HAVE to restrict calories to lose weight, and if your inclination is to eat too many to maintain, then you HAVE to restrict them to maintain. HOW you restrict them is another story entirely. There is no dispute about that except from goons who want to sell you their books and supplements.5 -
Again, I am very happy that so many people on this site have had success with calorie counting. Having said that, I do not know a single person, or know a person who knows a person, who counts calories. And many of these people have lost weight or have maintained the correct weight. Why? Because for most people, weighing and measuring and counting every morsel of food you eat is a total non-starter.0
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gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Again, I am very happy that so many people on this site have had success with calorie counting. Having said that, I do not know a single person, or know a person who knows a person, who counts calories. And many of these people have lost weight or have maintained the correct weight. Why? Because for most people, weighing and measuring and counting every morsel of food you eat is a total non-starter.
And yet, my tiniest, fittest friend who posts constant pictures of all the wonderful food she's eating out has been estimated her calories her entire lifetime. She doesn't advertise it. I've known her for 23 years and finally asked out how she eats all that wonderful food! She told me she always reads labels, used to weigh and measure her food, and now is able to know what her intake should be. She also exercises a lot.
Maybe you should ask people, do you read labels? Do you have any idea what your daily intake is? Do you know how much you burn when you exercise? You might find yourself surprised.
No matter how someone loses and maintains, it's still about calories. Some have luck with intuition. Some have formed habits that aren't the typical American intake of over 3700 calories per day. IT'S. STILL. ABOUT. CALORIES.14 -
I thought this was going to be about the idiotic beach body coaches saying don't count calories use portion control... insert 21 day fix diet sale pitch...
I had a whole argument on my facebook about this same thing because supposedly then how does weight watches do "0 calorie" foods to which i told her because they only give you 800-1200 calories worth of points is how.
You can't fix stupid.9
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