You NEED to stop calorie counting and restricting!
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gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Again, I am very happy that so many people on this site have had success with calorie counting. Having said that, I do not know a single person, or know a person who knows a person, who counts calories. And many of these people have lost weight or have maintained the correct weight. Why? Because for most people, weighing and measuring and counting every morsel of food you eat is a total non-starter.
A) Are you sure? Not everyone who counts calories goes around advertising it. This can be rather personal
B ) I also know a lot of healthy weight people who do not use any special apps to manage their weight. They had good habits from the get go and never got fat
C) If you don't want to count calories, don't do it! There are so many tools out there. Pick something reasonable, commit to it and don't do it half arsed, and meet your goal.6 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Again, I am very happy that so many people on this site have had success with calorie counting. Having said that, I do not know a single person, or know a person who knows a person, who counts calories. And many of these people have lost weight or have maintained the correct weight. Why? Because for most people, weighing and measuring and counting every morsel of food you eat is a total non-starter.
Congratulations. Guess what? I don't know anyone outside of 2 people in my family who count calories and weigh their food. Those 2 people are losing weight and keeping it off. The others that have lost weight on some 'diet' ended up gaining the weight they lost plus more.
Calorie counting prepares one for maintaining. It's easier once you know the numbers. The number 1 reason people fail with diets is that they fail to maintain once the diet is done.
Yet...you still haven't answered any of my questions.
I ate clean healthy vegetarian for years and didn't lose weight. According to you and your 'sources' I should have. Am I not human, then?
Also, I lost 85lbs including the foods that you and your sources claim to cause obesity. Once again, and I not human?
Do I have to post a 'beating the dead horse' gif? Do I?
For me, It was either weighing and logging my food, or go on one of those ridiculous woo starvation diets then gain the weight I lost and more, because those diets didn't teach me a damn thing about TDEE, deficits, maintaining and losing.
What would you do?
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like the person who stated sugar and other things make you fat. if thats the case my hubby should be obese and not at a decent weight,he eats all kinds of "junk" Im talking donuts,cookies,cakes,candy,etc and yet hes always been a decent weight. hes not overweight or obese.he counts nothing either,he hates weighing food out when he cooks dinner sometimes, but he understands that for me its what works. he eats what he wants and for him all he has to do is be more active and he loses weight very easily. for me not so much.for me if I didnt count calories I would be back to where I was over 200lbs and that wont happen ever again if I can help it.6
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I for one, do not want to see a "beating a dead horse" gif2
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I should be over 300lbs if sugar and fat make you fat.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »like the person who stated sugar and other things make you fat. if thats the case my hubby should be obese and not at a decent weight,he eats all kinds of "junk" Im talking donuts,cookies,cakes,candy,etc and yet hes always been a decent weight. hes not overweight or obese.he counts nothing either,he hates weighing food out when he cooks dinner sometimes, but he understands that for me its what works. he eats what he wants and for him all he has to do is be more active and he loses weight very easily. for me not so much.for me if I didnt count calories I would be back to where I was over 200lbs and that wont happen ever again if I can help it.
Sugar and fat make you fat? Welcome to the 1980s.
eveandqsmom wrote: »I for one, do not want to see a "beating a dead horse" gif
I was referring to the Southpark one, not a real one. 7 -
cerise_noir wrote: »
I should be over 300lbs if sugar and fat make you fat.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »like the person who stated sugar and other things make you fat. if thats the case my hubby should be obese and not at a decent weight,he eats all kinds of "junk" Im talking donuts,cookies,cakes,candy,etc and yet hes always been a decent weight. hes not overweight or obese.he counts nothing either,he hates weighing food out when he cooks dinner sometimes, but he understands that for me its what works. he eats what he wants and for him all he has to do is be more active and he loses weight very easily. for me not so much.for me if I didnt count calories I would be back to where I was over 200lbs and that wont happen ever again if I can help it.
Sugar and fat make you fat? Welcome to the 1980s.eveandqsmom wrote: »I for one, do not want to see a "beating a dead horse" gif
I was referring to the Southpark one, not a real one.
cerise, I dont believe that sugar and fat make you fat. someone stated that it does or something to that degree. I shouldnt have lost any weight in that case either. I still like to eat my chocolate or candy and things from time to time. But I make it fit into my calories,still lost weight.and still am losing albeit slowly but still losing.0 -
Spliner1969 wrote: »I have family members who lost every bit of their weight they wanted by using the low carb (under 100g/day) and eat all you want otherwise diets. It just isn't for me. I'd rather eat what I want and stop when I reach my calorie limit. So CICO is what I stick to, and it worked.
Low carb will work, for some - but would you do it life long, and suffer the resultant constipation and ketosis??0 -
Spliner1969 wrote: »I have family members who lost every bit of their weight they wanted by using the low carb (under 100g/day) and eat all you want otherwise diets. It just isn't for me. I'd rather eat what I want and stop when I reach my calorie limit. So CICO is what I stick to, and it worked.
Low carb will work, for some - but would you do it life long, and suffer the resultant constipation and ketosis??
low carb if you are getting enough fat and fiber should not cause constipation which is one reason why you up your fat when doing low carb/keto.low carb can means lots of veggies and some fruits(berries mainly which has some fiber) also being in ketosis so far for most have not harmed their health. a lot of people have to go keto which helps with insulin issues,pcos,seizure disorders and other health problems. ketosis is not the same as ketoacidosis.and low carb is not going to cause weight loss unless in a deficit. you can still overeat doing low carb(you would most likely eat more fat and protein). low carb is not a magical weight loss way of eating.
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sashayoung72 wrote: »Holy crow I can't still believe people are trying to refute the CICO, what the are ACTUALLY "crying" about is HOW MANY. We calculate using the basic math but i might require 30 less than someone exactly my weight to maintain or that person over there may burn 1000 more because the workout harder than joe. And I personally have tried eating healthier and found that I lose weight FASTER when the amount of calories is "junkier" I'd say that's because there isn't as much in the junk. It doesn't absorb because your body doesn't need it. But it's not enough of a difference to start an official "study" on and start quoting.
You know there are people still debating whether the earth is round or flat.
Oh yeah I saw that the other day and was like whaaatttt, yeah if we haven't passed that we are never going to get to calories, first "they" have to believed we walked on the moon and I've seen that whole debate!
I just want to say maybe the CALORIE OUT can be burned or "pooped" out LOL it's definitely out then!
And the low carb, they are still COUNTING something.... js0 -
I know, I was just agreeing with ya.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »
I should be over 300lbs if sugar and fat make you fat.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »like the person who stated sugar and other things make you fat. if thats the case my hubby should be obese and not at a decent weight,he eats all kinds of "junk" Im talking donuts,cookies,cakes,candy,etc and yet hes always been a decent weight. hes not overweight or obese.he counts nothing either,he hates weighing food out when he cooks dinner sometimes, but he understands that for me its what works. he eats what he wants and for him all he has to do is be more active and he loses weight very easily. for me not so much.for me if I didnt count calories I would be back to where I was over 200lbs and that wont happen ever again if I can help it.
Sugar and fat make you fat? Welcome to the 1980s.eveandqsmom wrote: »I for one, do not want to see a "beating a dead horse" gif
I was referring to the Southpark one, not a real one.
cerise, I dont believe that sugar and fat make you fat. someone stated that it does or something to that degree. I shouldnt have lost any weight in that case either. I still like to eat my chocolate or candy and things from time to time. But I make it fit into my calories,still lost weight.and still am losing albeit slowly but still losing.
I think I remember that previous quote about the sugar and fat making people fat and thought it was funny.
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Today I hear 'You can eat as much as you like of xyz all day long lo lose weight, but for a faster loss exclude rice & potato'. xyz = most food groups excluding fruit probably, oh and syns. I just want to hit them.1
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CallyBeth08 wrote: »Wow. People aren't really researching the entire thing Lol. (It's mainly for the extreme calorie restriction, not the 1600-1800+ per day intake.)
Calorie counting is okay for a little while. It helps you see just how much food you're eating, and you're able to adjust your habits accordingly. But it can have a huge impact on your metabolism. When you calorie count, and restrict yourself to a mere 1200-1400 or less.. It can actually slow down your metabolism so that when you stop counting, you gain even more weight back and much more quickly.
But people (and click-bait blogs) use studies that suggest reductions in BMR after long-term VLCDs to argue that counting calories, regardless of the size of the deficit, is a bad idea, unhealthy or at least ineffective in producing weight loss.
If I didn't count calories and had to rely on "eating less and moving more" or "just reducing my portions" or "just eating healthier," which are generally the alternatives offered to calorie counting, I would be restricting myself to 1400 calories or less, because estimating smaller portions and "less food" without actually weighing and tracking it is so inaccurate, especially when you don't eat the exact same thing every day, that I would be forced to make substantial reductions to be sure that my eye-balling was resulting in "less food" and to be sure I was allowing for the fact that we tend to forget that "just a bite" here and that "just a taste" there.
I know this is true for me because I have about 40 years' experience of being overweight and attempting to lose the extra weight by various means. In the past, when I was not tracking my calories, it was difficult to have confidence that a small deficit that produces only a half pound to a pound a week of weight loss a week is working, so I would either eat even less and exercise even more to try to keep up a 2 to 3 lb a week loss, so that I'm sure I'm "on track," or I would give up and say, "what's the point, this isn't working."
Before the ease of calorie-counting with an online database, the best success I ever had was in my early 40s when I took a sabbatical of sorts, just free-lancing enough to keep up with the bills, and pursued a more active lifestyle with my extra free time and had more time to cook for myself. I lost 5% of my BW and kept it off for about six months.
Using MFP for calorie-counting, I lost 15% of my BW and have kept it off for two and a half years. My daily calorie goal has been above 1400 the whole time, and I've raised it a couple of times as all my record-keeping has convinced me that I can still lose weight, albeit slowly, at higher intakes.
For me, not calorie counting is either far-more "restrictive" or not successful. Calorie counting allows me to easily hit the sweet spot of a small calorie deficit with confidence.
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gonetothedogs19 wrote: »I have stated somewhere else on this site that my daughter's new registered dietician emphatically stated to not count calories. I assume she tells all her patients. So you can lose weight without counting calories.
My assumption is that unlike most people on this site, who apparently have had good success counting calories, it does not reflect the overall population. I doubt most people could weigh and measure food and count calories for more than a couple of weeks.
All these 'diets' are indirectly getting people restricting their calories (portion sizes) as CICO works.4 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Again, I am very happy that so many people on this site have had success with calorie counting. Having said that, I do not know a single person, or know a person who knows a person, who counts calories. And many of these people have lost weight or have maintained the correct weight. Why? Because for most people, weighing and measuring and counting every morsel of food you eat is a total non-starter.
Your friends can do what they like. We will do what we know works for us. Just because you don't know anyone who counts calories doesn't mean it doesn't work. And who are you to say it's a total non-starter? Stop trying to make what you believe apply to everyone! Your approach is presumptuous and thick-headed.
If you know we here have had success by counting calories, why are you on here trying to say CI CO is wrong? How does that even make sense?
And while I'm at it, the earth is an oblate spheroid. Was there really a thread about it on MFP??6 -
rainbowbow wrote: »Don't get me started on the people like durianrider and freelee who say all kinds of ridiculous nonsense. They are like "smash in the calories! no one gets fat off fruit!" but then they are biking 120k a day on their bikes and burning thousands and thousands of calories each and every day.
If you want someone who can give you some information based on actual science and actual facts NOT nonsense woo woo i suggest the following:
Unnatural Vegan
OMG she and him say SO much that makes no sense! I found the unnatural vegan through my research and she makes so much more logical sense
Freelee is confusing. I watched a video of hers where she advocated eating lots and lots of bananas. Those bananas in large quantities have many calories! I don't get how she stays so slim even with all the biking and working out she does.
I don't get her 'raw till 4' crap. What suddenly happens at 4?2 -
rainbowbow wrote: »Don't get me started on the people like durianrider and freelee who say all kinds of ridiculous nonsense. They are like "smash in the calories! no one gets fat off fruit!" but then they are biking 120k a day on their bikes and burning thousands and thousands of calories each and every day.
If you want someone who can give you some information based on actual science and actual facts NOT nonsense woo woo i suggest the following:
Unnatural Vegan
OMG she and him say SO much that makes no sense! I found the unnatural vegan through my research and she makes so much more logical sense
Freelee is confusing. I watched a video of hers where she advocated eating lots and lots of bananas. Those bananas in large quantities have many calories! I don't get how she stays so slim even with all the biking and working out she does.
I don't get her 'raw till 4' crap. What suddenly happens at 4?
She turns into a banana for the night.11 -
rainbowbow wrote: »Don't get me started on the people like durianrider and freelee who say all kinds of ridiculous nonsense. They are like "smash in the calories! no one gets fat off fruit!" but then they are biking 120k a day on their bikes and burning thousands and thousands of calories each and every day.
If you want someone who can give you some information based on actual science and actual facts NOT nonsense woo woo i suggest the following:
Unnatural Vegan
OMG she and him say SO much that makes no sense! I found the unnatural vegan through my research and she makes so much more logical sense
Freelee is confusing. I watched a video of hers where she advocated eating lots and lots of bananas. Those bananas in large quantities have many calories! I don't get how she stays so slim even with all the biking and working out she does.
I don't get her 'raw till 4' crap. What suddenly happens at 4?
I was confused too so I looked into it and apparently according to her you need to eat raw foods before cooked otherwise you won't digest it well. Total bs hahaha0 -
gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Again, I am very happy that so many people on this site have had success with calorie counting. Having said that, I do not know a single person, or know a person who knows a person, who counts calories. And many of these people have lost weight or have maintained the correct weight. Why? Because for most people, weighing and measuring and counting every morsel of food you eat is a total non-starter.
Your friends can do what they like. We will do what we know works for us. Just because you don't know anyone who counts calories doesn't mean it doesn't work. And who are you to say it's a total non-starter? Stop trying to make what you believe apply to everyone! Your approach is presumptuous and thick-headed.
If you know we here have had success by counting calories, why are you on here trying to say CI CO is wrong? How does that even make sense?
And while I'm at it, the earth is an oblate spheroid. Was there really a thread about it on MFP??
Lol I don't think the earth debate was here but a couple of months ago some rapper said he belonged to the flat earth society and that got them some notoriety for 1/2 a second.1 -
PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Annahbananas wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Here's a guy who ate a huge caloric surplus (high fat, little carb) for a month, and didn't gain weight. How can that be?
Summary: "Here is a difference between overeating and overeating.
When eating bad carbohydrates it’s easy to gain weight quickly. You’ll get plenty of the fat-storing hormone insulin in your blood.
It’s generally hard to gain weight on an LCHF diet. It’s even difficult to eat too much food, as you then usually have to eat more than you want. Even if you force down large amounts of LCHF-food, against your will, the result is usually as it was for Feltham. It’s a constant struggle and weight gain will likely be modest.
Overweight people eating as much as they want on an LCHF diet will typically lose weight."
http://thehealthhelp.co/what-happens-if-you-eat-5800-calories-daily-on-an-lchf-diet/
The claims in this link are just that: claims. Unless this person is working out enough to maintain they are not consuming that much without gaining weight. No one can defy science.
I was eating LCHF and it got me to Obese II. Meats, cheeses, nuts, avocados. Very little refined sugar, and flour and rice products were an extreme rarity.
The "science" this dude spouts is woo. Nutritionally speaking a calorie is not a calorie. But with weight, your body processes a calorie from any source the same way. It is an EXCESS of anything that causes fat storage. There are a lot of articles and such. There is no solid science unless you are talking about a few very specific health issues.
TL;DR version: Subject of the article is not being honest.
Well if you want to believe that eating 1,500 calories of donuts for six months (yes, I know nobody is recommending that) or 1,500 calories of mostly healthy food for six months will result in the same weight loss, be my guest.
Here is one of thousands of articles that says you are absolutely wrong. And he's not selling anything.
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/05/09/fed-up-asks-are-all-calories-equal/
Um...actually if you ate 1500 calories of just donuts a day and it's lower than your weight threshold then, yes, you will lose weight.
But you'll also suffer from extreme malnutrition from not eating the right foods
Calorie in calorie out.
A calorie is a calorie
Sorry, but a calorie is a calorie is a dated notion. Our bodies are not simple bunsen burners.
https://authoritynutrition.com/debunking-the-calorie-myth/
Of course a calorie is a calorie. That's why we call it that. The body needs stuff besides calories, but calories are, you know, calories.
Maybe they think there are US calories & UK calories like there are pints & oz's?sashayoung72 wrote: »Holy crow I can't still believe people are trying to refute the CICO, what the are ACTUALLY "crying" about is HOW MANY. We calculate using the basic math but i might require 30 less than someone exactly my weight to maintain or that person over there may burn 1000 more because the workout harder than joe. And I personally have tried eating healthier and found that I lose weight FASTER when the amount of calories is "junkier" I'd say that's because there isn't as much in the junk. It doesn't absorb because your body doesn't need it. But it's not enough of a difference to start an official "study" on and start quoting.
You know there are people still debating whether the earth is round or flat.
and that dinosaurs ever existed?!2 -
sashayoung72 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Again, I am very happy that so many people on this site have had success with calorie counting. Having said that, I do not know a single person, or know a person who knows a person, who counts calories. And many of these people have lost weight or have maintained the correct weight. Why? Because for most people, weighing and measuring and counting every morsel of food you eat is a total non-starter.
Your friends can do what they like. We will do what we know works for us. Just because you don't know anyone who counts calories doesn't mean it doesn't work. And who are you to say it's a total non-starter? Stop trying to make what you believe apply to everyone! Your approach is presumptuous and thick-headed.
If you know we here have had success by counting calories, why are you on here trying to say CI CO is wrong? How does that even make sense?
And while I'm at it, the earth is an oblate spheroid. Was there really a thread about it on MFP??
Lol I don't think the earth debate was here but a couple of months ago some rapper said he belonged to the flat earth society and that got them some notoriety for 1/2 a second.
Thank you! Now I'll be able to sleep well tonight!
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