WOMEN AGES 50+ FOR JUNE 2016

Sorry in advance for the long post. I’ve been reading and taking notes throughout the day today and just finally had time to catch up and post.

Re – I also work for a major bank, so I completely understand what you mean about Big Brother blocking many sites. I work in technology so I get it, but it sure was nice when I could check my personal e-mail from work. I also wish every child would have the opportunity to be involved with music. Both my daughters have been in choirs and in band and it has been a wonderful experience. All of their friends are also either in chorus or band, and they are the nicest, most respectful, group of kids I’ve met. Music is my first choice, but if not music, I just wish that every child could be involved in something where they feel they are part of a group.

Joyce – I am so thrilled that Charlie was able to go to karaoke and that you went again to your church choir. Sounds like things are starting to get back to a bit of a regular schedule for you.

Kim – Good luck on the job interview!

Gloria – {{{hugs}}} So sorry to hear about little Alexander.

Mary – Thanks for pointing us to the StrongFirst site. I watched the videos and am very intrigued, but do you lift in front of a mirror to ensure you have the technique correct? My biggest worry would be to have a bad technique which would lead to some sort of injury.

Allie – Thinking about you and your impending conversation with the dentist. You’ve had some good advice here already. I’ve been through some training on “crucial conversations” at work. My advice is just to know that this may take several conversations to resolve. I would start by just trying to understand the dentist’s point of view. As Karen did, maybe try something like “It’s important to me that we have a good working relationship. I notice that you tend to leave the room when I enter and I wonder if I have done something to upset you…” You may get nowhere, or you may be surprised by his answer. Good luck!

Carol – Sorry to hear about the 6 yo boy in your neighborhood. Hope you have a nice visit with your mom.

Cheri – Excited to hear that your husband’s job prospects are looking bright! :

Thinking today about that poor family from Nebraska who lost their 2-yr-old son to an alligator at Disney World. Just a tragedy!

My husband had some sad news today. His parents are both living in a care center and both suffer from forms of dementia. His mom was moved to a liquid diet a while ago because she just cannot chew her food anymore. He learned today that she is eating less and less. The doctor says that her body is just slowly shutting down and that he does not expect her to live more than another month. She has always been such a strong woman, and I know this is not a way that she wants to live. We knew this day was coming, but it is still hard news to hear. The nurses talked with his father about his mother’s prognosis and he understood, but he has good and bad days and will probably not remember the discussion tomorrow.

Give your loved ones a hug tonight. With all the tragedy and health problems I hear on this thread, it reminds me to cherish those that I love.

Linda/IA

Linda LA- yes I did look at the mirror at first. I watched the videos more than once and even periodically. Watch the video then practice. I only do the GobletSquats and Russian Kettlebell swing because I do the other exercises when I weight lift for Stronglifts 5x5. I now combined the Stronglifts and Russian Kettlebell swing during the rest time between sets then on rest days I do the GobletSquats and Russian Kettlebell swing transitioning up to the heavier weight.



Mary from Minnesota

Hi ladies. It has been an exhausting day filled with odious chores and endless conversations. Had a terrible fight in the car with DD over her summer work, I think she is settling for part time work rather than looking for full time summer work before college. The $ she earns is for "personal" $ and I don't think she will have enough. I do not plan on bailing her out if she runs out since I am paying tuition room and board and her phone! So if she runs out of $ I guess I just have to let her!!! We had a very long and weepy fight that left me exhausted but still had a lengthy presentation to attend for my student intern. Yeah I am beat. Enough venting and no more eating Doritos in the car how bout that for backsliding?? NYKAREN

Did 50 minutes of the Firm Cross Trainer Super Sculpting DVD. The plan for tomorrow is to do a bosu DVD

Mary - where do you get the pickle juice? I don't think I've ever seen it in the store. Then again, not that I've really looked for it, either. I can't seem to feel the bug bite today. But, boy, did it hurt when it first happened! Vince said today we'll FINALLY pick up the CD of my MRI then I would like to go to WalMart. The things I need from there won't go bad even tho I won't use them until the middle of next week. Most of it is frozen fruit, and I can even put it into my freezer until the middle of next week. Personally, I would rather go in the middle of next week so we have room in the refrigerator for things during the week, but I know Vince won't want to

Irema - the positive to menopause is that you no longer have your period and so don't have to worry about having an "accident". Bit the bad part is that it makes it soooo much harder to lose weight and sooooo much easier to put it on. When I went thru menopause (and even now) I suddenly got this "roll" of flab that never used to be there.

Joyce - I highly doubt the bug bite and my being hot is related. I get these hot feelings quite often. One thing that helps is having something cool to eat like the grapes that I keep frozen or those pops that I make (with the yogurt and OJ concentrate)

barbie - I don't think I've ever hear of a hospital that had a hotel inside of it. That would be so cool. Is it a chain hotel?

Kim - do you only bake desserts in your class or also meats? If it's only desserts, I don't know that I could do that. Then again, if you do it all the time I'd probably get sick of it. On another note: we went to Lowes Foods Monday before ceramics. I need some refrigerated things (like tofu and cottage cheese) but I also had these eggs I was going to give this one gal . Vince just said "what are you going to do if they don't have room in the refrigerator there (they only have a small dorm sized one). I told him "I'll put somethings in the freezer". You should have heard him go on and on about how I can't put something in the freezer (ice cube maker) since it'll contaminate the ice. I just said to him "I know that, I'm the one who took the Save Serve course. Let's worry about it when there's something to worry about" He had no idea what the Save Serve course was! I just kept telling him over and over "I'm the one who took the course, I know, I know, I know" In the end, I just rearranged what they had in the refrigerator and there was room for everything. Good luck on the gardening job

Gloria - tears for Clarissa and Xavier

Karen - I didn't know that VA had a recertification class! I don't remember Jess ever mentioning it and I'm sure she would have

Karen - I don't know if "black dirt" is manure where Mary is. I can tell you that my aunt and uncle lived in "black dirt" country. They grow onions mostly there. If you go to the store, many times you will see "grown in Pine Island, NY" on it. anyway, here I was in my new white sneakers. when my cousins said they were going down to the "black dirt" I assumed that was just a phrase and it would be normal brown dirt. No....... it was literally black. Not from ash, that was just the way the dirt was there. My white shoes were never white again! Give Irish Terri our very best. Tell her to come back!!! we miss her!!! At least have her pop in for a minute.

Lisa - good luck at your last sale!

Carol/Peach - so sorry about that little boy

barbie - we had this one pine tree that was dead. How I wanted to get rid of it! Well, while we were in FL this past Feb. we had a horiffic wind storm and the tree blew over. Mother Nature helped me with that one! But I doubt she'll help me with the others

Sawn - I have a good friend who needs to get her knees done. Unfortunately, she VERY overweight. Well...to be honest she says that she's trying to lose weight but wherever she goes, she ALWAYS brings a dessert. And just looking at the food she orders when we go out or when we're at Mexican Train I can understand. Lotf of high calorie foods. and then desserts of cakes, brownies, etc. She had a heart attack a few months ago and she said that now she can't have the surgery for at least a year. Is that so? Or maybe is that a good excuse why she isn't getting the surgery? She told me that Medicare won't pay for WLS, and she just couldn't afford it.

Now that I think of it, my dentist is never in the room, too, while the hygienist is working. He stops in for a minute when she's done and just checks that everything is OK

Meg - yea for Benny!!!! (and you)

Exercised, got on the computer some, started to get dinner ready (I find it's easier on me to do it earlier), Vince took me to pick up the CD of my MRI then we went to WalMart. Came home, put the groceries away and went in the pool. It wasn't even refreshing -- the water was 91 degrees. But it certainly was better than nothing. It's supposed to be cooler tomorrow so I'm thinking that Vince may want to do some more work outside. I hope so, I really do want to get those weeds taken care of. Got dinner ready to microwave. Not sure what I'll be doing tonight.

Joyce - Vince calls me "the eternal optimist". I'm always trying to look on the bright side of things. Or at least for the most part I try

Anne - welcome from another directionally challenged person. Do you know that I STILL need to use the GPS when we drive to condo? We've only been doing it from here for 8 years. But I still need that GPS. And there's no way I can get to Jessica's without it. Vince can drive someone once, and he knows how to get there years later. Not me.

Linda/IA - How sorry I am to hear of your husband's mother. I remember when it was just a matter of days for my father, the waiting was excruciating. Can he be with her? I swear to this day that my father waited to die until the weekend so I could be there.

NYKaren - sometimes the best thing we can do for our children is to let them fail (run out of $$).

Michele in NC

Michele in NC – Thanks for the prayers. I guess they will wait until after they go to the beach in July to go through it. I doubt she’ll tell anybody the exact date. She’s such a good mother to her 10-year-old daughter that DYS loves as much as if she were his own. I think she is ‘more’ upset than he is; but, I keep telling her not to worry about it; he will always love her with all his ‘heart and soul’. She is exactly the kind of woman I would have picked for him … if I had any choice in the matter. I told her that the only women I knew who had had success were about 17 – 20 years ago; and, so much has advanced with all the ‘state-of-the-art’ medical equipment they have now.

Re in TX – Maybe my DYS’s and my dreams of last year about twins/triplets will just be a forewarning or something big. Positive thoughts always. LOL! With so much better state-of-the-art equipment that makes these types of procedures seem so trivial. My daily prayers are, when they do it, it will work for them.

Joyce, Indiana – The last time we went to Bimini to go diving the dive master took the boat around to the other side of the island. They had a school of dolphins come in, had never seen any there; so we found them and got out with only snorkeling tube and mask. The dive master took some toys out with him, some balls, rings, and a scarf. I jumped in and swam around the back of the boat and was looking under the water and one came at me fast and stopped about 10’ away and just stared at me. Besides doing the Wall Dive; this was the best experience I have had snorkeling or diving. I think DYS and DDnL#2 went snorkeling on their honeymoon in Hawaii. We had sent son his dive certification; but, I think he decided to stick with his bride and not go diving since she is not certified.

Gloria in WA – So sorry about your niece losing her little ‘Superman’. Like Dale Evans wrote: “Some time we entertain “Angels Unaware”. She and Roy Rogers lost a child who was born with Downs Syndrome when she was only about 2 years old.

Carol/Peach1948 – My DOGD had her two half-sisters (from Mom's side) with her last week and she said that she was constantly grabbing the 10-year-old for not looking before stepping out into traffic/parking lot. This next week she is taking her 2 half-sisters on Daddy’s side back with her for the week. Middle DGD did not pass her learner’s license test. I am not altogether sure that it wasn’t ‘on purpose’ … she really does NOT want to drive. They’re making her take the test so that (maybe) she can do some of the driving I won’t be able to do until mid-December at the earliest. DOGD will make her ‘study’ for it while she’s there.

So sorry to hear about the neighbor’s child. I put my DYS on a ‘harness’ when he was small. He’d hit the ground, running. I had a woman chastise me for ‘treating him like a dog by having him on a leash’. I told her ‘that I’d much prefer to have him on a ‘harness’ than to have a ‘dead child’ in the parking lot; then I told her to ‘mind her own business’. She apparently did not know what it was like to have 2 children under the age of 3.

Dawn (Maryland) – Oh, I can remember the first time we left DYS at home, with his 19-year-old (married son) to check on him. Came home to a busted out window in the garage and 10 stitches on his face; and a lot of scuff marks on his fists. DOS said that when he got to the ER; because he was only 17, they had to call him. But, boys will be boys. He had to pay to have the window fixed. I don’t know ‘why’ he thought we’d never notice it. DH did a lot of ‘spray painting’ in there, so the windows were covered with paint spray; and, there was this glaring hole in the middle of one. I think he ‘hit the window’ instead of ‘hitting one of his drunk friends’. Typical party at home, too. But … at that age, IF you make them do something they don’t really want to do, they can make YOUR time miserable in the process. He was normally a trustworthy kid. He’d drink; but, he would ‘stay put’ … not drink and drive. Thankfully, that is all behind him now. He still likes his beer; but, he has liked the taste of beer since he was a little tyke.

Cheri – We had GPS in our last Honda. I think the people who owned it prior to us had an address set for Idaho. Every time we tried to set it for our trips it would say, ‘in 1/4th of a mile, if possible, make a “U” turn.” I turned it on one day and thought I was going to punch the damn thing out of the dashboard because we could not get it to ‘turn off’. This went on for at least 5 miles or so. We have new maps for GA, AL, MS, and LA – for our trips out to visit DYS. We’ve just about got it so that we don’t have to look at them. A couple of years ago, DH insisted that we had not yet gotten to our turn off and we ended up going about 75 miles ‘out of the way’ to get back on the road we needed to be on. I thought he’d never stop to get directions. Of course, I was the one who had to go in and ask for them. We weren’t but 2 miles away from the road at that point.

Meg – Yeah,, it is a mandatory 6-month driving restriction (provided you don’t have another one; which would extend it 6-months out from any subsequent one). Back a couple of years, in a two year period of time; I was ‘legally’ able to drive less than 3 months. I finally just accepted that I ‘might’ not ever drive again. I still am not allowed (by husband) to drive on the Interstate. So he will be doing all the driving when we go out to visit DYS and DDnL#2 and DGD#4. Oh well ….

DH has hinted quite strongly that our DOS should start looking for a ‘job’; rather than working for him. He will be 75 in November and he is ‘tired’. Tired of it all. Even though DOS has taken a lot of it off his hands, he’d need to find workers if he decides to take on the business. DH started painting houses 30 years ago, to supplement his regular job; word of mouth only – does not advertise; has enough ‘regulars’ that he could stay busy making ‘fluff’ money for us; but, we could not afford to support 2 families on that. B-n-L might move to FL when his granddaughter and grandson-in-law move so that he can go to medical school. He won’t be allowed to work the entire he is in medical school. Great-grandniece just found out she is pregnant. What timing; but, she’ll probably not have any problem getting a teaching job because she is a biology major. Baby due around Thanksgiving. They are excited. Just found out she is having a little girl.

I agree that the Dad of that precious little boy will carry this forever. Hopefully, the family can stay strong through all this. Many, many prayers going up for them.

Lenora

Once again you all just said what I needed to hear. If DD runs out of $ she runs out and that is that. Thank you I will accept peace. NYKAREN

Call me crazy but I love to see other people happy and succeeding .

Good Evening Ladies,

Debbie, what a great loss!!! Congrats and keep up the great work.

Theresakruse, welcome. Congrats on the great loss and getting off of insulin!!!! I never had an A1C in the 7+ range and was happy to get off my metformin. Keep up the great work. Please sign your posts with the name you want to be called and come here often.

Re, you don’t have to apologize to us if you didn’t reply to everyone. You had a great post and we don’t always say something worthy of a response. We’re just glad to have you with us and I love your sense of humor.

Joyce, so happy to hear that Charlie went to karaoke. That means he is feeling better.

Kim, good luck on the interview next week. Gosh it sounds like you are one busy lady all of a sudden. That job just sounds perfect for you so I hope it works out.

Gloria, I’m soooo sorry to hear about Little Alexander. I hate he had to go through all of that and not make it. Sending hugs to you and warmest thoughts for the whole family.

KarenVA, thanks for the hug etc but with the weather here I’ll pass on the warm towel from the dryer. Don’t they feel wonderful though in the winter when there is a chill in the air? Oh yes, and thanks for taking back the winning lottery ticket. Maybe next time??

Allie, what is the world is up with that doctor??? How can anyone not like you??? OK, what did you do to him? I do hope things can get resolved there as that is not a comfortable working environment. Cool deal on the money you’ll make for watching Faith. It should be your money and not shared with Mr. Stingy! (((Hugs))) (later) Gosh you are one busy lady. Tell me again why you mow the yard and not the grouch?

Mary, great info on the kettle bells.

Lisa, glad things are going so well at the paper. We all knew you’d do a great job. It’s nice that your DH has more options now that you have the job.

Cheri, I’m crossing my fingers for your DH to get the job of his dreams. Milwaukee was a great place to live and raise a family when we lived there in the 70’s but they have these “Real Cold Winters” which was more than us Southerners could take after 10 years. Having grown up in Texas I know which I would pick if given the choice but I hope you get the choice. Good luck.

Meg, so glad to hear the good report on Benny!!!! And thanks for the hugs. 

Heather, I laugh while reading about your and DH arguing over the wonders of the world. It’s nice that you each know it all but I’m sure it does present problems.
to any Newbies that I missed. Come often and join in the chat. This thing works!! Please sign your post with what you want to be called. It makes it easier for us to respond to you. Also a location is great, be it specific or general. We are happy to have you join us.

I had a great day at line dancing. I just keep thinking I will build up my stamina but I can only dance for a little over an hour. Sometimes I make it 1 ½ hours but not always and I’m exhausted when I get home. I wish we had it more than once a week. I’m tired so heading to bed. I hope you all have a Happy and Healthy Day!
Words I live by:
Savor. I have to slow down and savor every bite.
and
Opportunity. Each day offers new opportunities for good health and happiness if we just look for them and choose them.
I Love you,
DJ
Myrtle Beach, SC

LOL

Penny and all of the others who are 6 hours or more ahead of those of us in the Colonies: Good Morning!!

DJ Ha! That winning lottery ticket is a bit elusive, isn't it?

Carol - Praying for your little neighbor boy who was hit by a car.

Hope your mom’s bad day was a fluke, it is so painful when you think your mother is suffering. I sure miss my mom, she was my best buddy!

Pip - I have the utmost confidence in your ability to reach your goal. You are 75% done and still have half the month left! You have time for a little R&R if you need it before the last push. Proud of you. Plus I am pretty sure walking your bike with a flat counts as double miles.

Cheri - Ok, I am sending you a pocket travel angel. Gosh, you’ll need a new set of Michelin’s after Texas!

Heather, en route for Bergen - what a wonderful afternoon! And your last post about chocolate tea? That sounds pretty delicious! How cool that you spoke Norwegian to the natives. I am 1/4 Norwegian but I have never been there…

Oh, and both you & your husband do know everything…just not at the same time! LOL!

Meg in Omaha - I was born and raised in southwest Nebraska, remain in close contact with my friends from high school, and still have many relatives in Nebraska, Colorado, and the Dakotas. I will always be a Nebraskan.

Paula in NC - 5/2 plan is a little tougher than 16/8 for some people, but for some reason it isn’t hard for me, it seems to just happen, so I might as well make it formal and commit to it.

16/8 refers to a 24 hour cycle of fasting 16 hours, and getting all your calories during the remaining 8 hours. Some people eat 3 meals, but a lot skip breakfast, eat lunch as their first meal of the day, and then eat dinner - so just 2 meals a day. Others graze throughout the 8 hours.

5/2 refers to a 1 week plan. 5 days a week you eat a “normal” amount of calories, and 2 days (usually in a row but doesn’t have to be) you restrict calories to 500-600. This would be really hard for lots of people, but not for me, and it would save me trying to force myself to get all my calories in on days I am not at all hungry. When I am really busy at work I have no appetite or thoughts of food, and am too tired to eat after work. That is usually 1-2 days a week.

Mary & Paula - My current macro goals are >90g protein, <60g net carbs, 1200-1300 cal/day. Maybe once I start kettle bells I will be able to up my calories. Mary do you have a favorite brand of kettle bell?

I am not diabetic but am insulin resistant and do better on relatively low carbs. If I go too low I have no energy to lift weights and get the "Atkins’ flu" but 45-60g/d is fine and leaves me plenty of calories for fat.

Becca - Smiling, smiling, smiling.

Joyce - I bet Charlie sounds great when he sings in the shower, too! Great acoustics in there.

Gloria - our grandsons must be about a year apart - Griffin is 10 - Tuba sounds awesome! Is he a big boy? That is a big instrument! Still thinking about your little neighbor boy. We are so lucky.

Theresa - I am not sure how old you are? but I think that is a really good question about your knee, and I would be interested to know what your orthopedist says when you ask him about having the knee replacement now. (Total knee replacement.) You are entitled to a second opinion if you are not satisfied with his answer. You should not have to put up with excruciating, debilitating pain for 2 more years, even if the knee is stable. I can guarantee you that your orthopedist wouldn’t put up with it if it was his knee.

Sue in WA - OMG - Washington cherries - to die for!!!!!! Nothing like ‘em.

DrKatie - we have lots of horsey country so much well-rotted manure available, plus llama & alpaca farms whose poo is apparently sought after, I guess you don’t have to wait for it to rot as long. For some reason it is less likely to burn your plants, must be lower in nitrogen or something. I am originally from a small town in the middle of farming country and we just had cow poop and chicken poop, but now the commercial pig farms (yuck) are wafting their aromas through the air much to the dismay of some of my old buddies who live downwind. icky

Anne from Wisconsin - sleep is a wonderful thing. So glad you are feeling rejuvenated, and hope that you will continue to sleep well from now on.

Meg - Benny is rejuvenated, too! Must be the day for it! Yay!

Cheri - Good luck with the job interviews, and hope you have your choice of geographic locations! I personally vote for Michigan. Texas is too hot.

Linda IA - I am so sorry your mother-in-law is failing. Thinking of how sad this is for your husband and his father, and for you. My friend from high school developed Alzheimers 12 years ago at the age of 50. During the early phases while she was still relatively lucent, she called her best friend to tell her the news, and she said, “I have some bad news. Well, bad news for you, but not so bad for me.” I was stunned with her insight and perspective because Alzheimers, in my opinion, is so much worse for the family than for the person who is demented. Anyway, I am very sorry to hear your news.

Kim N Cal - My parents had a Victory Garden! Very cool. The Methodist Church in my little hometown in Nebraska has for decades used surplus food from people’s gardens to make soup. The volunteers make it & freeze it to be taken to shut ins or newcomers or anyone who seems to need a little homemade soup.

Congrats on the job opportunity and good luck! If you want it, I hope you get it!

Alison - I completely agree with Kim and others here. I encourage you to open your own account in your own bank with a private ledger that you control and do not share with Tom. It will empower you to have control over your own money. I have always had my own bank account and my own money. You need a stash.

NYKaren - Doritos served their purpose, it’s OK.

Tough love is, well, tough. Sometimes we have to let our children fall flat on their faces. If she isn’t in physical danger, letting her deal with the consequences of her decision to take a job that will not earn enough money will be a maturing experience that someday (not this summer) your daughter will thank you for. Trust her to be able to handle it no matter how much you want to bail her out. Figure out now what you are going to say when she asks you to bail her out so you will be ready.

Acts of love don’t always feel like love at the time. I have an almost 40 year old son who has an extremely good job and a phenomenal work ethic…now…you have to let her make mistakes and not rescue her. Easier said than done. She’s probably a fast learner and she may even surprise you with her resourcefulness.

(((hugs)))

Beth near Buffalo -

Vicki in Grand Island - I am thinking of what you may be going through with your arm and sending all kinds of healing and supportive thoughts. I hope you come back soon.

Becca & Joyce & Barbie - sending healing husband vibes to you all.

Everyone else who might need a hug, cup of tea, shoulder to cry on, or just a friend to sit without saying a word, sending all of that to you.

My sweet grandchildren are sound asleep on a foam mattress in a tepee my partner made from canvas years ago, snuggled next to each other, even though they each have a bed of their own at Grammy’s house, and they are sleeping right through an amazing thunderstorm. Thank goodness for our generator, I hate being without electricity. One of the best investments I have ever made.

I got through a rather grueling recertification course for my work yesterday & today, glad to have it behind me.

Daughter-in-law is definitely thinking about home schooling and I told her I can help with teaching 2-3 days each week, help with finances, whatever she needs me to do. It’s going to take my son some time to come around. He is not very flexible, doesn’t embrace change, and isn’t a good brainstormer. Whose son is he, anyway? He is like an alien to me sometimes, LOL! If he didn’t look so much like his dad and me, I would wonder if they got the babies mixed up at the hospital.

Karen in Thunder & Lightning in Virginia

I have made the sad discovery that getting extra steps in is much less fun when one is walking out leg cramps. It's well over an hour past my bedtime but the cramps won't leave me alone. Oh well, tomorrow is Friday and my short day.

Good night!

Carol in NC

nccarolb wrote: »

I have made the sad discovery that getting extra steps in is much less fun when one is walking out leg cramps. It's well over an hour past my bedtime but the cramps won't leave me alone. Oh well, tomorrow is Friday and my short day.

Good night!

Carol in NC

Drink a 1/4 cup of pickle juice you will be amazed how quickly your cramps will disappear!

Quick hello...it's waaaaay past my bedtime. Thinking of you, cheering you on and sending positive energy wherever needed.

My progress to goals for June:

Be a positive influence at work. Room for improvement.
Eat mindfully. Doing well.
Strength train 2x/week Doing great.
Weigh less at the end of the month. Down .5 right now.
Maintain Gratitude Journal daily (on free app by the same name) Doing excellent.
My word for 2016: Optimism

Stay well, friends. We can do this.

Rori
Colorado Foothills

headed to bed.

Re in TX - I learnt Norwegian from the Duolingo app. Several other ladies are following it doing different languages after I told them about it. It's great fun.
Heather, arriving in Bergen