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Scared at what I am reading

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  • Morgaen73
    Morgaen73 Posts: 2,817 Member
    psulemon wrote: »
    RockPrincess080 wrote: »
    I agree with OP. For me, the word "diet" means temporary. It's a temporary fix to a way deeper problem. You have to completely change your lifestyle to change yourself.

    Ironically, to me, lifestyle is just the new buzzword to get away from the term diet.

    Actually not. I've been on a meal plan, that together with an exercise plan, have formed my lifestyle for the last three years. My meal plan gets adapted according to my nutritional requirements but I will probably be following a structured meal plan for the rest of my life. How is that the same as a diet?

    There is a difference in the common understanding of "diet" and "healthy diet". I dont diet, I eat healthy.
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  • auddii
    auddii Posts: 15,357 Member
    TheLittleRedHairedGirl wrote: »
    d4_54 wrote: »
    I promise my next post will be positive. No more rants.

    The message I want to share is consistently feeding and nourishing our bodies in a healthy way. I swear this works.

    You should be able to come on here and feel free to rant/complain/support/encourage/ask questions... That's what this is here for in the first place.

    Just remember that you can't please everyone. They all have opinions that may coincide with yours, or challenge your way of thinking. As long as you're open-minded and willing to take everything with a grain of salt, please don't shy away from posting what's on your mind. It's a great way to expand your way of thinking, maybe learn something new or become further resolved in your opinions. If you don't put it out there, how will you grow?

    Just my two-cent's, for whatever it's worth.

    But this is the debate forum?
  • auddii
    auddii Posts: 15,357 Member
    Morgaen73 wrote: »
    psulemon wrote: »
    RockPrincess080 wrote: »
    I agree with OP. For me, the word "diet" means temporary. It's a temporary fix to a way deeper problem. You have to completely change your lifestyle to change yourself.

    Ironically, to me, lifestyle is just the new buzzword to get away from the term diet.

    Actually not. I've been on a meal plan, that together with an exercise plan, have formed my lifestyle for the last three years. My meal plan gets adapted according to my nutritional requirements but I will probably be following a structured meal plan for the rest of my life. How is that the same as a diet?

    There is a difference in the common understanding of "diet" and "healthy diet". I dont diet, I eat healthy.

    Because people still sell products, books, etc. that promote their "lifestyle change". They're using it to sell their product and hoping to get a leg up on their competitor "the ____ diet" because they're selling it as more sustainable. And everyone says you need to make a lifestyle change, so clearly that's the better product to buy.

    Everyone understands the concept. But the phrase has been misappropriated and is starting to be used interchangably with "diet".

    People need to make sustainable changes. Fine. But catch phrases will still catch phrase.
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  • auddii
    auddii Posts: 15,357 Member
    GaleHawkins wrote: »
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    GaleHawkins wrote: »
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    GaleHawkins wrote: »
    selina884 wrote: »
    Appreciating.

    Overtime you will notice its the same few posters who are

    a)easily offended
    b)will argue for the sake of being PC
    c)least openminded and stuck in the processed food + CICO bubble


    Ignore them and don't let those few stop you from voicing your opinions

    So true based what I have seen over the past two years but their numbers seem to be dropping.

    Do you think it is because the standard medical dogma is finally be challenged by all the people who are failing from trying it? Or do you think there is some other reason they drop off the forums?

    This is a hard to know and there may be many reasons.

    To manage my arthritis pain the doctors wanted me to start on Enbrel injects two year ago. I elected to instead cut out sugar and all grains because of the known possible side effects of Enbrel even the $3,000 a month cost would have been covered. In the first 30 days of cutting out sugar and all grains my pain levels of 7-8 dropped to 2-3 and two year later are still well managed by diet only and no meds of any kind.

    My action two years ago without my then understanding meant I had gone to a WOE (Way Of Eating) that was LCHF (Low Carb High Fat).

    Pre LCHF (two years ago) labs were:
    Total Cholesterol - 226
    HDL - 38
    LDL - 146
    Triglycerides - 209

    9 months of LCHF (one year ago) labs were:
    Total Cholesterol - 404
    HDL - 56
    LDL - 323
    Triglycerides - 121

    17 months of LCHF (today) labs were:
    Total Cholesterol - 257
    HDL - 63
    LDL - 186
    Triglycerides - 36

    The new doctor said keep doing what I am doing because it is working and that now Total Cholesterol has to be at >290 before they consider statins, etc. She was not hype pro LCHF but she said the numbers proved it was working for me. I think my numbers helped her better understand the first year of LCHF sending Cholesterol through the roof is NORMAL for some. I refused statins last year because I knew it was normal to shot up because the body takes a while to stop producing high cholesterol that is produced to protect against high inflammation.

    Two years ago I think there were several posters on MFP that thought LCHF was actually unhealthy WOE but I think most know otherwise now hence less attacks on this WOE for example.

    My personal goal for Total Cholesterol is 200-240 since at my age it gets the best odds of preventing my premature death but 257 is not far from that protective range. My ratios are now awesome. A1C was 5.1

    Oh I think I see. Many of the posters against LCHF on the board two years ago where following the medical establishment. Their health like their cholesterol levels has probably been terrible, and they're probably on a lot of prescriptions from their doctor. I guess a lot of them might no longer be capable of posting or even with us anymore.

    I doubt there is much validity in what you see.

    Most people do not die in two years due to diet choices.

    As the medical world comes to view diet in a more open and factual way perhaps posters are doing the same. Last year the same medical clinic was opposed to LCHF yet this year clearly stated not to change my LCHF way of eating because all of my health markers across the board were moving in the right direction.

    As MD's become more knowledgeable about different diets I expect MFP posters will as well is my point. The MD that I saw today was relative young woman so maybe doctors are getting better training these days compared to some of the false teachings about ways of eating from yesteryear.
    I would not hold my breath waiting for the medical community to resoundingly support the keto diet. When I took biochemistry in a medical school (granted that was about 10 years ago now), they had a lecture on ketoacidosis, the repercussions of it, and concluded with "and that's why people shouldn't do the keto diet"...

    :confused:
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    psulemon wrote: »
    RockPrincess080 wrote: »
    I agree with OP. For me, the word "diet" means temporary. It's a temporary fix to a way deeper problem. You have to completely change your lifestyle to change yourself.

    Ironically, to me, lifestyle is just the new buzzword to get away from the term diet.

    Yes, same with way of eating (or WOE, sigh).

    Reclaim "diet"!
  • californiagirl2012
    californiagirl2012 Posts: 2,625 Member
    Everyone needs to learn in their own time, in their own way. Nothing to be scared of. You own your body, they own theirs, eventually they learn what is best for their own body - but it takes time to learn. Be patient and kind, because everyone fights a battle you know nothing about.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    RockPrincess080 wrote: »
    I agree with OP. For me, the word "diet" means temporary. It's a temporary fix to a way deeper problem. You have to completely change your lifestyle to change yourself.

    First, "diet" has an actual meaning. And you can't assume that people who use the term mean "I am making a temporary change." Context matters.

    Second, it's NOT always a lifestyle change. I lost a bunch of weight in 2014 (really by getting back to old habits, not by changing my "lifestyle" or "changing myself" but let's set that aside). Since then, I've been active, eating well, watching how much I eat, etc. I'd like to lose a little more, so have recently decided (well, sort of, I've yet to get that focused on it) to cut calories again and eat at a deficit (not a huge deficit, as I'd like to lose at a reasonable rate for my size and activity). I'm not really changing my lifestyle at all, as I am happy with how my current lifestyle works with my fitness goals, for the most part (I am working on some non fitness related lifestyle changes).* Is there something wrong with calling what I am doing "a diet" or acknowledging that it is temporary? -- I don't want to eat at a deficit forever, of course.

    *One of the reasons I dislike "lifestyle change" is that it seems to make lifestyle all about eating choices or -- slightly better -- eating and activity/fitness choices. That's not really what defines my "lifestyle," to me. Certainly my life is better when I'm active and pursuing fitness goals, but there's so much more to a lifestyle.
  • Machka9
    Machka9 Posts: 25,615 Member
    In 2015 dieted by eating a reduced-calorie diet for 16 weeks and lost my first batch of weight. I took a diet-break and ate a normal-for-me diet for a month. Then I resumed my reduced-calorie diet for 16 weeks and lost the rest of my weight.

    This was not a lifestyle change for me.

    I had been slender and active up till fairly recently.

    Then a series of "lifestyle changes" stepped in. I got married, moved to another country, had some medical issues, travelled a lot, moved some more, had some more medical issues. Those are lifestyle change things. Eating slightly less ... not a lifestyle change thing. Eating slightly less is just a minor adjustment I make from time to time when my weight goes up a bit.

    And I did gain some weight during those lifestyle changes.

    I was still fairly active ... walking lots, cycling quite a bit ... but not as much as I had been. I was still eating a reasonably healthy diet ... just a bit too much. I did the calculation. In order to gain what I gained, I ate about 80 calories a day more than I should have. Woo. 80 calories. That's like an egg. :grin:

    When I went on my calorie-reduced diet, what I ate from when I got up in the morning until I arrived home after work didn't change at all except for one thing. I used to eat a handful of cashews mid-afternoon on some afternoons. I stopped doing that. When I got home after work, I used to eat a large chocolate bar ... I switched that for cottage cheese, raw veggies and a couple whole grain crackers. That gave me a bit more energy for after work exercise. Dinner ... was just a bit smaller. And my evening snack was also just a bit smaller.

    With the reduction in weight, I became more active again and have resumed my long distance cycling again. That's much more of a focus than my diet ... it's part of the lifestyle I've had most of my life. :)
  • RunZumba
    RunZumba Posts: 13 Member
    I believe each person has unique calorie needs and that those calorie needs change for that same person daily, depending on what he/she is doing and how she/he is feeling on any given day. For example, I didn't do much yesterday except for a little housework and a little bit of walking and swimming. Therefore, my caloric needs were low. Today I've already run 5.6 miles and planning to go swimming for an hour later, therefore I'm going to need to eat more today than I did yesterday. If MFP is giving me the goal of 1,200 calories/day to get me to my weight loss goal, I try to hover around that. However, on days when I do a lot I will eat a lot more than 1200 calories, and on days when I'm mostly just walking/doing housework I'll eat less than that. It's common sense. The OP doesn't need to stand in judgment of any given person's weight loss strategy. We are all unique and our needs vary from day to day. As long as we are all listening to our bodies and eating a healthful high-nutrient diet most of the time, we'll be fine.
  • katcunock
    katcunock Posts: 664 Member
    I strongly believe that the best diet for you is the healthiest diet you can have within your lifestyle. It's not realistic for me to be in the gym 5 times a week, but it is realistic for me to take long walks in nature and alternate my workouts around my shifts. It should IMO be a lifestyle, not a short term thing.
  • ryry_
    ryry_ Posts: 4,966 Member
    zyxst wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    psulemon wrote: »
    RockPrincess080 wrote: »
    I agree with OP. For me, the word "diet" means temporary. It's a temporary fix to a way deeper problem. You have to completely change your lifestyle to change yourself.

    Ironically, to me, lifestyle is just the new buzzword to get away from the term diet.

    Yes, same with way of eating (or WOE, sigh).

    Reclaim "diet"!

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    I prefer Ocelot.

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  • ryry_
    ryry_ Posts: 4,966 Member
    What the hell is even being debated here?
  • 3dogsrunning
    3dogsrunning Posts: 27,167 Member
    ryry_ wrote: »
    What the hell is even being debated here?

    Debate?
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    ryry_ wrote: »
    What the hell is even being debated here?

    The merits of keto apparently...IDK how that happened exactly...
  • richln
    richln Posts: 809 Member
    ryry_ wrote: »
    What the hell is even being debated here?

    Whether or not people should use the word "diet."
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  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    richln wrote: »
    ryry_ wrote: »
    What the hell is even being debated here?

    Whether or not people should use the word "diet."

    Yeah, this.

    I think.

    Or maybe whether disagreement is appropriate in the debate forum. (I'm on the "yes, it is" side.)
  • FitGirl_Running
    FitGirl_Running Posts: 12 Member
    You are absolutely right! Research is now beginning to prove that dieting can lead to being overweight, and in some cases be the cause of eating disorders. I've been on MFP for 6 years now. I've lost weight (50 pounds), been at goal, and gained it all back TWICE in that period of time. Not only that, but all my MFP friends either gained all their weight back or have been struggling on the losing, gaining crazy cycle. I have not known ONE person here who lost weight and maintained. Yes you can lose weight on a diet, but if you can't maintain the loss, then diets don't really work. Research is now beginning to prove that the old "calories in-calories out" is garbage. In fact, it may not even be calories that determine weight loss or gain. I've been hearing the buzz about this for the past year or so and it's becoming louder. Unfortunately, MFP is calorie-based (you can't log food without calories on MFP, nor can you log exercise without a "calorie burn.")
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,225 Member
    Diet? Lifestyle? WOE?

    Words don't mean anything, in and of themselves. They only mean something when two or more people share the same general idea about them. Then they start to accrete meaning, and connotations, and implications, until - it seems - we just can't use them anymore without upsetting someone. Yeesh. So much symbol-reactivity here, to the point where (sometimes) context of a word's use becomes totally irrelevant.

    I put this in my visual journal a long time ago (before meeting MFP) but it seems particularly applicable today:
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