Diet Soda and Weight Loss
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chocolate_owl wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Aaron _k123
Thank you for your opinion but are you a doctor? Um, no is my guess. Or do you specialize in kidney health? Um no is my guess. Or do you read stuff on the Web and take it as gospel? Yes, would be my guess.
My kidney health is fantastic. Just sayin...maybe cause I drink water... lol.... I don't know...
Have you tested your kidneys? Probably not...
What I wrote was for people to read and think about. But thank you for your response.
Well, he's not an md but he has a pH.d
PH.D in what? Lol.... this is so funny. Lol.. do what you want... but thank you again for your opinion
Molecular biology and biochemistry so yeah he's an expert. What's your training?
Yeah, but does he have a Youtube channel?
No :-(
That wasn't a requirement for your dissertation
No...but my dissertation is available online if you are ready for that thrilling gripping read. 159 pages of pure awesome, will leave you gripping your seat waiting to find out what happens next.
I actually would read this... Just saying.
You have a high tolerance for pain or a lot of free time on your hands.7 -
@Aaron_K123 thought of you this morning as someone on my FB feed posted a fear mongering article about Aspartame which started with this gem of an appeal to emotion as its hook...
"Beware everyone, but also you pilots and pregnant mothers! You both have others on board."
I'm not going to post the article because it is pseudoscience drivel filled with scary terms like excitotoxins and talking about how big business is duping consumers into thinking this dangerous substance is safe for consumption.
Reading the article, it's easy to see how a layperson who doesn't have a lot of biochemistry knowledge could get caught up by all the science jargon and believe everything as written. I know certainly the discussion on my FB feed which includes smart individuals, is leaning heavily toward "ZOMG aspartame is horrible, how can the FDA let us consume this!"
Anyway, just reinforces how patient you are with constantly explaining why articles like that are so inaccurate and the actual science behind things, so thanks again for always stepping into these discussions even when people get defensive and try to diminish your credibility...11 -
queenliz99 wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »Life's too short not to have fun. Drink and be merry!! Even if it's diet soda or beer or hot dogs or cheesecake or CheesePuffs or Twinkies.
Have you tried Hot 'n Honey Cheez Doodles? Bangin.
Interested!! is that a Canadian thing? I've never seen Doodles, and I know snacks!
I'm in the US (CT). I only ever find them at Big Lots and Dollar Tree.
I'm checking them out, let you know. Big Lots is walking distance, burn some calories
I feel so much pressure right now. If you don't like them, that's pretty much it for me.
LOL I didn't mean to put you on the spot!! honest!! Maybe I will drive instead, if that makes you feel better.
But but but what about dem calorie burnz?
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WinoGelato wrote: »@Aaron_K123 thought of you this morning as someone on my FB feed posted a fear mongering article about Aspartame which started with this gem of an appeal to emotion as its hook...
"Beware everyone, but also you pilots and pregnant mothers! You both have others on board."
I'm not going to post the article because it is pseudoscience drivel filled with scary terms like excitotoxins and talking about how big business is duping consumers into thinking this dangerous substance is safe for consumption.
Reading the article, it's easy to see how a layperson who doesn't have a lot of biochemistry knowledge could get caught up by all the science jargon and believe everything as written. I know certainly the discussion on my FB feed which includes smart individuals, is leaning heavily toward "ZOMG aspartame is horrible, how can the FDA let us consume this!"
Anyway, just reinforces how patient you are with constantly explaining why articles like that are so inaccurate and the actual science behind things, so thanks again for always stepping into these discussions even when people get defensive and try to diminish your credibility...
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WinoGelato wrote: »@Aaron_K123 thought of you this morning as someone on my FB feed posted a fear mongering article about Aspartame which started with this gem of an appeal to emotion as its hook...
"Beware everyone, but also you pilots and pregnant mothers! You both have others on board."
I'm not going to post the article because it is pseudoscience drivel filled with scary terms like excitotoxins and talking about how big business is duping consumers into thinking this dangerous substance is safe for consumption.
Reading the article, it's easy to see how a layperson who doesn't have a lot of biochemistry knowledge could get caught up by all the science jargon and believe everything as written. I know certainly the discussion on my FB feed which includes smart individuals, is leaning heavily toward "ZOMG aspartame is horrible, how can the FDA let us consume this!"
Anyway, just reinforces how patient you are with constantly explaining why articles like that are so inaccurate and the actual science behind things, so thanks again for always stepping into these discussions even when people get defensive and try to diminish your credibility...
Thanks WinoGelato. I encountered the excitotoxin claim only recently...not sure if it's a new one fear sites are running with these days or if I had missed it before. Like many of these fear claims there is a small nugget of truth that they just abuse the heck out of. As it turns out part of the metabolic breakdown products of aspartame ARE excitotoxins...aspartate and phenylalanine....the two amino acids...the ones you'd get a lot more of if you eat just a few grams of protein. What I guess they don't mention is that amino acids have no toxicity at the level you'd be exposed to (unless you have PKU) and this toxicity us specific to neuron interactions and amino acids aren't going to pass through the blood brain barrier in quantities that matter for this.
That is why I go about trying to explain that by the time things hit your blood the levels of aspartame in a diet soda is not really different than a bite of chicken and a some orange juice in terms of what ends up in your blood. People can try to argue that point but in my experience they don't even try they just ignore it. If you accept that and you are honest then that should be the end of the debate, if you don't expect that you should explain the faults in my claims. No one seems to do either, they pick option 3....ignore it and post youtube videos or "lol" at me and question my knowledge of the topic because I clearly haven't done my "research" (ie watching youtube videos).12 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »@Aaron_K123 thought of you this morning as someone on my FB feed posted a fear mongering article about Aspartame which started with this gem of an appeal to emotion as its hook...
"Beware everyone, but also you pilots and pregnant mothers! You both have others on board."
I'm not going to post the article because it is pseudoscience drivel filled with scary terms like excitotoxins and talking about how big business is duping consumers into thinking this dangerous substance is safe for consumption.
Reading the article, it's easy to see how a layperson who doesn't have a lot of biochemistry knowledge could get caught up by all the science jargon and believe everything as written. I know certainly the discussion on my FB feed which includes smart individuals, is leaning heavily toward "ZOMG aspartame is horrible, how can the FDA let us consume this!"
Anyway, just reinforces how patient you are with constantly explaining why articles like that are so inaccurate and the actual science behind things, so thanks again for always stepping into these discussions even when people get defensive and try to diminish your credibility...
Thanks WinoGelato. I encountered the excitotoxin claim only recently...not sure if it's a new one fear sites are running with these days or if I had missed it before. Like many of these fear claims there is a small nugget of truth that they just abuse the heck out of. As it turns out part of the metabolic breakdown products of aspartame ARE excitotoxins...aspartate and phenylalanine....the two amino acids...the ones you'd get a lot more of if you eat just a few grams of protein. What I guess they don't mention is that amino acids have no toxicity at the level you'd be exposed to (unless you have PKU) and this toxicity us specific to neuron interactions and amino acids aren't going to pass through the blood brain barrier in quantities that matter for this.
That is why I go about trying to explain that by the time things hit your blood the levels of aspartame in a diet soda is not really different than a bite of chicken and a some orange juice in terms of what ends up in your blood. People can try to argue that point but in my experience they don't even try they just ignore it. If you accept that and you are honest then that should be the end of the debate, if you don't expect that you should explain the faults in my claims. No one seems to do either, they pick option 3....ignore it and post youtube videos or "lol" at me and question my knowledge of the topic because I clearly haven't done my "research" (ie watching youtube videos).
Yeah I didn't feel like getting into a big argument with a friend on Facebook but I mentioned a couple of the key points that I knew already and what I've learned from these threads. She said "well it may be fear mongering but sugar is still better, after reading about aspartame I don't want to drink it anymore, but enjoy your Diet Coke!" I'm not going to engage further, if people want to trust these type of sites and YouTube videos that prey on fear and a lack of scientific knowledge, there's not much we can say to convince them otherwise...
Also, the word "excitotoxins" has to be one of the most sensationalized science words ever. It just sounds scary and horrible, even to me and I have a chemistry degree!6 -
Over all, soda is pretty pointless to take into your body.1
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So EVERYTHING you eat is freshly pulled off a tree or from the ground? Because if not, it's NOT "natural" in your terms.Yes, everyone, I am aware that EVERYTHING is made of chemicals - my apologies for using the word in more colloquial way. Let me clarify - my personal preference is to eat and drink things that occur in nature, not developed in a lab. I gave up artificial sweeteners years ago and I don't miss them. Do your research, mind your sources, and make whatever informed decision you feel is best.
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Yep. Lots of people. Many from my gym alone.red99ryder wrote: »I always liked the joke .. Have you ever seen a skinny person drinking a diet coke lol.
I drink regular when I do have them
Good luck
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Over all, soda is pretty pointless to take into your body.
I hate most water. I get a lot of my hydration from herbal tea and diet soda. Coke Zero gives me an afternoon caffeine boost if I start to fall asleep at my desk. I find soda much more refreshing and thirst-quenching than water after a workout. Do we need soda? Of course not. Should we moderate it? Of course. But I have uses for it, so I wouldn't call it pointless.6 -
Really? There are lots of things that are pointless. Beer? Alcohol? Dairy? All aren't needed, but ENJOYED by individuals. Soda is no different. Disparaging against what people choose to drink for pleasure is riding a high horse.Over all, soda is pretty pointless to take into your body.
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »chocolate_owl wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Aaron _k123
Thank you for your opinion but are you a doctor? Um, no is my guess. Or do you specialize in kidney health? Um no is my guess. Or do you read stuff on the Web and take it as gospel? Yes, would be my guess.
My kidney health is fantastic. Just sayin...maybe cause I drink water... lol.... I don't know...
Have you tested your kidneys? Probably not...
What I wrote was for people to read and think about. But thank you for your response.
Well, he's not an md but he has a pH.d
PH.D in what? Lol.... this is so funny. Lol.. do what you want... but thank you again for your opinion
Molecular biology and biochemistry so yeah he's an expert. What's your training?
Yeah, but does he have a Youtube channel?
No :-(
That wasn't a requirement for your dissertation
No...but my dissertation is available online if you are ready for that thrilling gripping read. 159 pages of pure awesome, will leave you gripping your seat waiting to find out what happens next.
I actually would read this... Just saying.
You have a high tolerance for pain or a lot of free time on your hands.
Hahaha. I'm a nerd and a glutton for punishment. I spent two years of undergrad making graphene supercapacitors on glass slides. A lot of that time was spent figuring out how to get glass as clean and uncontaminated as possible. Surely your dissertation is more interesting than my step-by-step guide on how to optimize glass cleanliness with a sonicator
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WinoGelato wrote: »You guys are s'moring wrong... The best s'mores are made with Peeps!
How did I miss this gem?
Peeps are full of d-toxins. I'll throw myself on the sword and eat them all, so you may live!5 -
Yep. Lots of people. Many from my gym alone.red99ryder wrote: »I always liked the joke .. Have you ever seen a skinny person drinking a diet coke lol.
I drink regular when I do have them
Good luck
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I actually drink Pepsi max as pre and intra workout at the gym and I'm not overweight unless you consider 5'8 130 fat.2 -
Over all, soda is pretty pointless to take into your body.
Not in the least. It contains water, which provides hydration. It contains flavor, which I enjoy the taste of. It contains caffeine, which gives me a boost when I want it. I see absolutely nothing "pointless" about it, in moderation and within the context of an overall balanced diet. I choose not to fall victim to ridiculous scaremongering which has been scientifically proven wrong over and over again.10 -
chocolate_owl wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »chocolate_owl wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Aaron _k123
Thank you for your opinion but are you a doctor? Um, no is my guess. Or do you specialize in kidney health? Um no is my guess. Or do you read stuff on the Web and take it as gospel? Yes, would be my guess.
My kidney health is fantastic. Just sayin...maybe cause I drink water... lol.... I don't know...
Have you tested your kidneys? Probably not...
What I wrote was for people to read and think about. But thank you for your response.
Well, he's not an md but he has a pH.d
PH.D in what? Lol.... this is so funny. Lol.. do what you want... but thank you again for your opinion
Molecular biology and biochemistry so yeah he's an expert. What's your training?
Yeah, but does he have a Youtube channel?
No :-(
That wasn't a requirement for your dissertation
No...but my dissertation is available online if you are ready for that thrilling gripping read. 159 pages of pure awesome, will leave you gripping your seat waiting to find out what happens next.
I actually would read this... Just saying.
You have a high tolerance for pain or a lot of free time on your hands.
Hahaha. I'm a nerd and a glutton for punishment. I spent two years of undergrad making graphene supercapacitors on glass slides. A lot of that time was spent figuring out how to get glass as clean and uncontaminated as possible. Surely your dissertation is more interesting than my step-by-step guide on how to optimize glass cleanliness with a sonicator
Hah. One of the most unforgiving pieces of work I witnessed was someone working on yeast as a model for aging. Yeast replicates by a process called budding where the daughter cell buds off from the mother cell. The mother cell will produce X number of daughters and then stop producing which is the end of its life basically. So to see how long it "lived" you count the number of daughters it has. The thing is there is no way to really tell over time how many of the cells are the daughter of a particular cell other than to watch that cell literally be produced from the mother and count it.
So someones job was to sit with a microscope and count, literally count, this cell producing other cells 1 at a time for like 50 or 60 replications which would take like 30 hours.
That wasn't me...but damn.5 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »chocolate_owl wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »chocolate_owl wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Aaron _k123
Thank you for your opinion but are you a doctor? Um, no is my guess. Or do you specialize in kidney health? Um no is my guess. Or do you read stuff on the Web and take it as gospel? Yes, would be my guess.
My kidney health is fantastic. Just sayin...maybe cause I drink water... lol.... I don't know...
Have you tested your kidneys? Probably not...
What I wrote was for people to read and think about. But thank you for your response.
Well, he's not an md but he has a pH.d
PH.D in what? Lol.... this is so funny. Lol.. do what you want... but thank you again for your opinion
Molecular biology and biochemistry so yeah he's an expert. What's your training?
Yeah, but does he have a Youtube channel?
No :-(
That wasn't a requirement for your dissertation
No...but my dissertation is available online if you are ready for that thrilling gripping read. 159 pages of pure awesome, will leave you gripping your seat waiting to find out what happens next.
I actually would read this... Just saying.
You have a high tolerance for pain or a lot of free time on your hands.
Hahaha. I'm a nerd and a glutton for punishment. I spent two years of undergrad making graphene supercapacitors on glass slides. A lot of that time was spent figuring out how to get glass as clean and uncontaminated as possible. Surely your dissertation is more interesting than my step-by-step guide on how to optimize glass cleanliness with a sonicator
Hah. One of the most unforgiving pieces of work I witnessed was someone working on yeast as a model for aging. Yeast replicates by a process called budding where the daughter cell buds off from the mother cell. The mother cell will produce X number of daughters and then stop producing which is the end of its life basically. So to see how long it "lived" you count the number of daughters it has. The thing is there is no way to really tell over time how many of the cells are the daughter of a particular cell other than to watch that cell literally be produced from the mother and count it.
So someones job was to sit with a microscope and count, literally count, this cell producing other cells 1 at a time for like 50 or 60 replications which would take like 30 hours.
That wasn't me...but damn.
That's right up there with watching paint dry.3 -
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Aaron _k123
Thank you for your opinion but are you a doctor? Um, no is my guess. Or do you specialize in kidney health? Um no is my guess. Or do you read stuff on the Web and take it as gospel? Yes, would be my guess.
My kidney health is fantastic. Just sayin...maybe cause I drink water... lol.... I don't know...
Have you tested your kidneys? Probably not...
What I wrote was for people to read and think about. But thank you for your response.
Well, he's not an md but he has a pH.d
PH.D in what? Lol.... this is so funny. Lol.. do what you want... but thank you again for your opinion
Molecular biology and biochemistry so yeah he's an expert. What's your training?
Yeah, but does he have a Youtube channel?
No :-(
That wasn't a requirement for your dissertation
No...but my dissertation is available online if you are ready for that thrilling gripping read. 159 pages of pure awesome, will leave you gripping your seat waiting to find out what happens next.
Ok now I'm just jealous. Mine is over 500.
Also:
Physical chemist here with extensive background in biochemistry/biophysics chiming in to agree with the scientists on this thread.
Aspartame is safe. The safety of aspartame has been extensively studied for many decades. There is overwhelming evidence of aspartame's safety.
It's a dipeptide, that's two amino acids, the things that make up proteins. It does not trigger insulin, nor would it make any sense for it to do so. And it can help people who are trying to reduce calories in their diet by sweetening many beverages and foods.
Anyone trying to frighten people away from it is not expressing a scientifically informed opinion, but rather is (1) mistaken (2) pushing an anti-science agenda, and/or (3) trying to sell something.
I don't care if anyone uses aspartame or don't use it. I do care when people spread misinformation and blatant falsehoods, no matter how sincere in their beliefs they are.16
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