INTERMITTENT FASTING - A LIFESTYLE MAKEOVER

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  • Posts: 30,886 Member

    That is because you went ZERO carb for the day. Carbs are the driver of most all cravings. Hungry is real so we do not die but cravings are not so much. :)

    I don't have cravings and I eat plenty of carbs (about 45-50%). The last time I recall having a real craving was when I was vegetarian for Lent and started thinking about my planned Easter dinner with lamb (and it was the lamb I was thinking about, not the potatoes or dessert). Obviously, that was some months ago. Occasionally I really want a particular food item or meal, but I wouldn't call it a craving, and it's something I can choose to fit in or not.

    The idea that I was "keto" or "fat adapted" (more than usual) because I fasted for a day makes no sense. We all know there's an adjustment period before one is fully keto. It doesn't just kick in the minute you miss a usual breakfast.
  • Posts: 8,159 Member
    auddii wrote: »

    That's great that it works for you. But many people in this thread are saying the opposite.

    Any how many do you think that are saying the opposite have gone 90 days eating <50 grams of carbs daily?

    I am not saying people should go low carb. I am just saying do not make a negative statement about a way of eating that one has not tried that is known to be medically safe for 100 years for all age groups.
  • Posts: 8,911 Member

    Can we all just agreed a caloric deficit is REQUIRED to lose fat and there is no white or black magic that will cause FAT LOSS so we do have have to repost and repost that statement? :)

    We understand that concept very well, it's you constantly talking about nothing but carbs in spite of that that makes us scratch our heads.
  • Posts: 8,159 Member
    jprewitt1 wrote: »

    Carbs cause cancer?

    There was nothing in my post about carbs causing cancer so I do not understand your question.
  • Posts: 30,886 Member

    I was wrong. IF is only ZERO carb if you will think about it. :)

    I don't think you can determine a person's carb percentage or keto status based on how they eat for a day (and the 500 calories on a fasting day need not be LCHF in a 5:2 day), let alone 16 hours or whatever. That's like claiming I'm keto now because between dinner and breakfast (occasionally lunch) I eat nothing.
    The major way to make fat the fastest is carbs. The best way to lose fat is the inverse.

    Simply not accurate. Our bodies can quite efficiently store fat as fat. Our bodies can easily burn fat (and will) on any macro percentage.
    Technically the fastest way to make fat is to eat High Carb and High Fat at the same time. Processed food can work well to fatten up on for this reason. A Big Mac comes to mind especially chased down with sugar water.

    So a BigMac=processed, but McD's sausage is not processed, according to you? So basically it's just the bread that counts as "processed"?
  • Posts: 8,159 Member

    We understand that concept very well, it's you constantly talking about nothing but carbs in spite of that that makes us scratch our heads.

    The thread is about going without carbs protein and fats for a period of time.

  • Posts: 8,159 Member
    edited September 2016
    lemurcat12 wrote: »

    I don't have cravings and I eat plenty of carbs (about 45-50%). The last time I recall having a real craving was when I was vegetarian for Lent and started thinking about my planned Easter dinner with lamb (and it was the lamb I was thinking about, not the potatoes or dessert). Obviously, that was some months ago. Occasionally I really want a particular food item or meal, but I wouldn't call it a craving, and it's something I can choose to fit in or not.

    The idea that I was "keto" or "fat adapted" (more than usual) because I fasted for a day makes no sense. We all know there's an adjustment period before one is fully keto. It doesn't just kick in the minute you miss a usual breakfast.

    I agree with you. This is why Keto long term or IF short term is NOT of interest to many for improving weight or lab numbers.
  • Posts: 24,208 Member

    Why do think over eating of carbs increases one risk of developing cancer but over eating of fats does not increase the risk of developing cancer then?

    Gale, I have no idea why you are moving from one subject to another like skipping stones.
    Are you actually saying that someone on a high vegetable diet with mid to high carb volumes has a higher cancer rate than someone eating high fat/high protein?

    Those studies that demonstrate some sort of correlation at high levels of added sugar/carbs are not partition analysis and they do not, in any way, make suggests that for the person controlling calories there is a beneficial effect to eliminating carbs as your posts here suggest.
  • Posts: 30,886 Member

    I lost my carb cravings after not eating them for two weeks.

    I asked you this before, and you did not answer. If you were just craving "carbs," why did you not eat low calorie foods that are mostly carbs and also happen to have a decent amount of micros. Like broccoli or carrots or tomatoes or even blueberries? That's what I would do if plagued with this "carb craving" that people talk about.

    I've never once craved carbs, though. Sometimes I desire a specific food item. My most general craving is for meat, and even there it's usually more specific (I could really go for some roasted chicken breast or steak or salmon).
  • Posts: 7,722 Member

    I was wrong. IF is only ZERO carb if you will think about it. :)

    IF and Keto are functionally the same. You are withholding carb intake in IF and greatly reducing carbs to do keto.

    The major way to make fat the fastest is carbs. The best way to lose fat is the inverse.

    Technically the fastest way to make fat is to eat High Carb and High Fat at the same time. Processed food can work well to fatten up on for this reason. A Big Mac comes to mind especially chased down with sugar water.

    My last "meal" of the day is about 80 grams of carbs with a teaspoon of fat. Every single day. I eat this about 7:00 at night.

    I don't eat again the next day until 1:00 or 2:00 in the afternoon. The first thing I eat then? A banana.

    No cravings.

    I relate all of this to point out the fact that making sweeping statements about carbs and cravings won't hold to be universally true and isn't necessarily a good idea in a debate.

    I'll leave your remarks about "making" fat and carbs to the more scientifically minded to explain why you're oversimplifying. Denovo lipogenesis isn't really an efficient metabolic thing that just happens for kicks and giggles.
  • Posts: 30,886 Member

    I agree with you. This is why Keto long term or IF short term is NOT of interest to many for improving weight or lab numbers.

    So if you agree with me now, you admit that you were wrong to claim that one must be LCHF to successfully fast?
  • Posts: 7,722 Member

    And butter? :grin:

    I drink a lot of Fairlife. Can I get in on this action?
  • Posts: 8,159 Member
    lemurcat12 wrote: »

    What, this makes no sense. You just told me a few minutes ago that why I can fast no problem for a day is that I am eating no carbs. But when you would go 4 hours without eating, you too were eating no carbs during that period. How are those 4 hours different from my first 4 hours on a fasting day?

    I have no way of knowing our differences. You may be able to fast for a day just because that is your decision. That is not something that I ever remember trying.
  • Posts: 30,886 Member

    I have no way of knowing our differences. You may be able to fast for a day just because that is your decision. That is not something that I ever remember trying.

    So when you told me a page or so ago that I can successfully fast "because you went ZERO carb for the day" you misrepresented your own view? I see.
  • Posts: 5,575 Member

    I think that it's the fiber that gives us satiety. Candy doesn't do that.

    Fibre helps but there are different mechanisms for satiety depending on what you are eating. Candy would have low satiety.
  • Posts: 5,575 Member

    Can we all just agreed a caloric deficit is REQUIRED to lose fat and there is no white or black magic that will cause FAT LOSS so we do have have to repost and repost that statement? :)

    integrateddiabetes.com/Articles/insu/insulin%20&%20weight%20gain%20edited.pdf

    "“Why does insulin cause weight gain?”
    Insulin is a hormone that promotes the uptake of
    sugar (glucose) by almost all of the body’s cells,
    including muscle, liver and fat cells. At any
    given time, our cells are also burning glucose
    for fuel. If our fuel intake (calories eaten) is
    greater than our energy expenditure (calories
    burned), we tend to store more glucose than we
    burn. Muscle and liver cells store this extra
    glucose in a form called “glycogen”, which is a
    very dense, compact form of glucose. Fat cells
    store the extra glucose as fat."

    I think most of you understand "Insulin" does NOT cause weight gain but that it "Enables" weight gain if one is over eating any source of calories be it C,P or F.

    Carbs is the main driver of Insulin production in healthy people. IF works well because one is doing ZERO carbs in the IF window so insulin levels drops yet the body "requires" energy so it flips to burning fat because of the lack of glucose.

    Low insulin level means low fat storing hormone level so we are not likely to store fact.

    Our BMR still requires energy to maintain where is low, normal or high. Due to the being zero carb due to IF the body flips to burning fat. NO MAGIC is involved unless you call being Flex Fuel Ready magic. :)

    Carbs are NO evil but are the main driver of Insulin production. Protein drives it about half as much as carbs. Fats functionally is not an Insulin driver.

    Eating High Fat is NO magic but I thing all of you understand if 80% of my calories are coming from FATS vs. 80% Carbs that my Insulin levels are not going to peak as high after a meal and STOP my fat loss program as much.

    Again this is all simple physiology. We have about 30 hormones that enable life. Insulin is but one and some of them impact our Insulin levels.

    I agree we need a deficit with no black or white magic, absolutely.
  • Posts: 8,911 Member

    Fibre helps but there are different mechanisms for satiety depending on what you are eating. Candy would have low satiety.

    For example, increased insulin increases your leptin, which in turn makes you less hungry.
  • Posts: 5,575 Member

    Lol.

    First off, fat does trigger insulin release. It just happens at a slower rate and at much lower concentrations but it is there.

    Second, habitual coffee intake results in increased fasting insulin concentration (probably through mechanism of decrease in insulin sensitivity).

    And all along you are forgetting about insulin sensitivity. It's not only the concentration in the body that matters but the uptake and impact.

    Enjoy that coffee.

    Not to mention that if you increase insulin sensitivity in muscle that also increases it in fat cells. I'll take mine two cream two sugar please! :)
  • Posts: 8,159 Member

    My last "meal" of the day is about 80 grams of carbs with a teaspoon of fat. Every single day. I eat this about 7:00 at night.

    I don't eat again the next day until 1:00 or 2:00 in the afternoon. The first thing I eat then? A banana.

    No cravings.

    I relate all of this to point out the fact that making sweeping statements about carbs and cravings won't hold to be universally true and isn't necessarily a good idea in a debate.

    I'll leave your remarks about "making" fat and carbs to the more scientifically minded to explain why you're oversimplifying. Denovo lipogenesis isn't really an efficient metabolic thing that just happens for kicks and giggles.

    Yes there are few if any universally true statements about how to eat. I know what is currently working for me only. IF is just going without any calories for a window of time. It seems to work well for many and perhaps of zero value to others. I am not debating about how another should eat. It is the overeating that is the main problem. If IF help then it helps.
  • Posts: 5,575 Member

    For example, increased insulin increases your leptin, which in turn makes you less hungry.

    Unless you have reduced leptin sensitivity which means you are probably obese and have insulin insensitivity as well. Unfortunately, things tend to magnify like that.

  • Posts: 3 Member
    fr33sia12 wrote: »

    I'm also interested to know what you mean by this statement. Your body burns fat whether you're fasting or not and you have to be in a calorie deficit to burn fat.

    Your body does not burn stored adipose tissue fat while there is elevated insulin running through your body.

  • Posts: 8,159 Member
    lemurcat12 wrote: »

    So if you agree with me now, you admit that you were wrong to claim that one must be LCHF to successfully fast?

    I claim fasting is nothing more than a window of time without carbs, proteins and fats. Water is OK to drink in my view. I know there are egg, etc fast but that is not true fasting but just a limited macro.
  • Posts: 8,911 Member
    ericromzek wrote: »

    Your body does not burn stored adipose tissue fat while there is elevated insulin running through your body.

    That is incorrect. Insulin inhibits lipolysis, it does not stop it completely. Obviously, because you always have insulin in your blood.
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