You cannot target fat loss!!!
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janejellyroll wrote: »You guys are delusional, I'm over it ... i never said it was the only way.. what I'm saying is try something new and work harder
Its obvious there's a bunch of close minded folks in this place so hey if what you're doing works for you then cool, don't know why you commented to begin with.
Its funny to see people who are out of shape tell me how what im saying is wrong lmao jesus i should go take financial advice from a homeless person too i guess
Hi.
I'm in pretty good shape, feel free to check my photo gallery. I only mention this part because you seem to be concerned about the condition someone is in when they question you.
If you're concerned about qualifications and experience I have multiple PT certifications and I generally stay up to speed to the best of my ability through a couple of research reviews. Nothing terribly impressive but certainly more than "zero". I also run a successful and growing online coaching business and I also have experience training clients in a live gym setting.
I'm also happy to tell you my lifts if it concerns you.
Now on to more important stuff.
You're correct about spot reduction being a myth.
You're incorrect about the blind advocacy for HIIT. HIIT has a MUCH larger recovery component compared to LISS. HIIT also requires the individual to be in better starting condition to even execute it correctly in the first place. In a forum with a broad mix of demographics, recommending a specific exercise or modality of training is potentially harmful advice.
From a fat loss perspective, it is going to boil down to creating a calorie deficit. HIIT may be a more efficient way to achieve cardiovascular adaptations, it may be a more efficient way to burn calories, but it's FAR more taxing on recovery systems and so consequently it's harder to position into an overall training program.
HIIT on a treadmill is not a great idea either -- adjusting the speed appropriately can suck, and additional stress from impact can be a pretty big negative for a lot of people. Using a bike could be a much more tolerable choice but it will again come down to individual goals and preferences there.
Your belief about fasted cardio being superior for fat loss is false if the goal is overall whole body fat loss. Schoenfeld studied this here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4242477/
Fasted cardio increased acute fat oxidation during the training bout but it does not lead to greater changes in body fat loss over time. This is why you can't look at things in a vacuum.
Have a nice day.
Hiit on the treadmill definitely isn't the best idea, but the hiit thing was an example to drive hime my point of pushing yourself past the normal daily routine, that point was somehow missed by the example.
Thanks for the study I'll definitely check it out, I'm not nor ever claimed to know everything and am always open to learn as you have to be.
If I'm wrong about something i have no issue with saying so, I'll definitely read the article and research it more and i appreciate you approaching this as a way to educate opposed to berating me, i feel as though i gave sound advice to anyone trying to push to the next level and don't see how anything i said could be misconstued as negative.
You don't think saying that someone is "cheating themselves" is negative?
No i don't, because you can always push harder
So what? Not everyone wants to push harder. That's what you don't seem to be getting. Your attitude in this thread has been "if you aren't doing THE MOSTEST EVER STUFFZ AT THE GYM and if your muscles aren't SO SWOLE BRO then you suck," and you know what? That sucks. Not everyone wants to be Mr. Universe. Get over it.14 -
Its funny to see people who are out of shape tell me how what im saying is wrong
Wow, what an incredibly unkind, smug, superior response.Get yourselves a balanced diet and workout plan, do compound movements in the gym and stop walking on the treadmill for hours and hours, rev it up with some hiit training, get that heart rate up and the calories will burn extremely fast, you have to shock your bodies and keep it guessing!!!
Doing the same exercises over and over again, day i and day out while at first you'll lose some weight, will only lead to a plateau and slow progression with your goals.
I think these quotes are the thing a lot of people commenting in this thread take issue with - I know I am.
You're telling everybody that their form of exercise is not good enough and is actually harming their weight loss and will lead to a plateau, which is really not helpful.
As said by a few above, not everybody has the goals that you have. Mine was to lose weight and improve my health in a way that I knew I could do and stick with, and exercise was not a part of it. I decided to go with cutting my calories, which was difficult enough to stick with - I could never have included exercise, it was too much for me personally. I managed to lose 93 pounds over a year and a half or so, which took me out of a pre-diabetic state, lowered my blood pressure, lowered my bad cholesterol and upped my good, and led to me being taken off two blood pressure meds and a statin. My resting heart rate averages about 60, my knees no longer hurt and I no longer feel ashamed of myself. I'm 61 years old.
Please tell me how I cheated myself. Please tell all the other people who have lost a lot of weight and gotten significantly healthier and happier doing it the way that was most beneficial for them how they have cheated themselves by not doing it the way that was most beneficial for you.
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janejellyroll wrote: »You guys are delusional, I'm over it ... i never said it was the only way.. what I'm saying is try something new and work harder
Its obvious there's a bunch of close minded folks in this place so hey if what you're doing works for you then cool, don't know why you commented to begin with.
Its funny to see people who are out of shape tell me how what im saying is wrong lmao jesus i should go take financial advice from a homeless person too i guess
Hi.
I'm in pretty good shape, feel free to check my photo gallery. I only mention this part because you seem to be concerned about the condition someone is in when they question you.
If you're concerned about qualifications and experience I have multiple PT certifications and I generally stay up to speed to the best of my ability through a couple of research reviews. Nothing terribly impressive but certainly more than "zero". I also run a successful and growing online coaching business and I also have experience training clients in a live gym setting.
I'm also happy to tell you my lifts if it concerns you.
Now on to more important stuff.
You're correct about spot reduction being a myth.
You're incorrect about the blind advocacy for HIIT. HIIT has a MUCH larger recovery component compared to LISS. HIIT also requires the individual to be in better starting condition to even execute it correctly in the first place. In a forum with a broad mix of demographics, recommending a specific exercise or modality of training is potentially harmful advice.
From a fat loss perspective, it is going to boil down to creating a calorie deficit. HIIT may be a more efficient way to achieve cardiovascular adaptations, it may be a more efficient way to burn calories, but it's FAR more taxing on recovery systems and so consequently it's harder to position into an overall training program.
HIIT on a treadmill is not a great idea either -- adjusting the speed appropriately can suck, and additional stress from impact can be a pretty big negative for a lot of people. Using a bike could be a much more tolerable choice but it will again come down to individual goals and preferences there.
Your belief about fasted cardio being superior for fat loss is false if the goal is overall whole body fat loss. Schoenfeld studied this here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4242477/
Fasted cardio increased acute fat oxidation during the training bout but it does not lead to greater changes in body fat loss over time. This is why you can't look at things in a vacuum.
Have a nice day.
Hiit on the treadmill definitely isn't the best idea, but the hiit thing was an example to drive hime my point of pushing yourself past the normal daily routine, that point was somehow missed by the example.
Thanks for the study I'll definitely check it out, I'm not nor ever claimed to know everything and am always open to learn as you have to be.
If I'm wrong about something i have no issue with saying so, I'll definitely read the article and research it more and i appreciate you approaching this as a way to educate opposed to berating me, i feel as though i gave sound advice to anyone trying to push to the next level and don't see how anything i said could be misconstued as negative.
You don't think saying that someone is "cheating themselves" is negative?
No i don't, because you can always push harder
If someone is meeting their fitness goals, progressing according to plan, and in the shape they want to be, why push harder? I don't understand why running is "cheating myself" and failing to push myself sufficiently hard just because I don't do HIIT.7 -
Be honest. You kind of toss steady state cardio under the bus and imply that it's ineffective to fat and weight loss. That was your first mistake.You guys are delusional, I'm over it ... i never said it was the only way.. what I'm saying is try something new and work harder
On the contrary, there are a lot of open minded folks here. They just don't fall for a lot broscience that's been TRIED to be passed on in here for years.Its obvious there's a bunch of close minded folks in this place so hey if what you're doing works for you then cool, don't know why you commented to begin with.
Or maybe you think you know more than you really do? How about actually taking in some of what some have said, checking research and seeing if it's actually true?Its funny to see people who are out of shape tell me how what im saying is wrong lmao jesus i should go take financial advice from a homeless person too i guess
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If pushing yourself a little each day or each week is what will make you quit then you aren't fully comitted to achieving your goals its as easy as that, if pushung yourself leads to you quitting then you were probably gonna quit to begin with you just found your excuse
And back to being an arrogant kitten.
You have no right to suggest this. Please just stop being an *kitten*.
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janejellyroll wrote: »You guys are delusional, I'm over it ... i never said it was the only way.. what I'm saying is try something new and work harder
Its obvious there's a bunch of close minded folks in this place so hey if what you're doing works for you then cool, don't know why you commented to begin with.
Its funny to see people who are out of shape tell me how what im saying is wrong lmao jesus i should go take financial advice from a homeless person too i guess
Hi.
I'm in pretty good shape, feel free to check my photo gallery. I only mention this part because you seem to be concerned about the condition someone is in when they question you.
If you're concerned about qualifications and experience I have multiple PT certifications and I generally stay up to speed to the best of my ability through a couple of research reviews. Nothing terribly impressive but certainly more than "zero". I also run a successful and growing online coaching business and I also have experience training clients in a live gym setting.
I'm also happy to tell you my lifts if it concerns you.
Now on to more important stuff.
You're correct about spot reduction being a myth.
You're incorrect about the blind advocacy for HIIT. HIIT has a MUCH larger recovery component compared to LISS. HIIT also requires the individual to be in better starting condition to even execute it correctly in the first place. In a forum with a broad mix of demographics, recommending a specific exercise or modality of training is potentially harmful advice.
From a fat loss perspective, it is going to boil down to creating a calorie deficit. HIIT may be a more efficient way to achieve cardiovascular adaptations, it may be a more efficient way to burn calories, but it's FAR more taxing on recovery systems and so consequently it's harder to position into an overall training program.
HIIT on a treadmill is not a great idea either -- adjusting the speed appropriately can suck, and additional stress from impact can be a pretty big negative for a lot of people. Using a bike could be a much more tolerable choice but it will again come down to individual goals and preferences there.
Your belief about fasted cardio being superior for fat loss is false if the goal is overall whole body fat loss. Schoenfeld studied this here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4242477/
Fasted cardio increased acute fat oxidation during the training bout but it does not lead to greater changes in body fat loss over time. This is why you can't look at things in a vacuum.
Have a nice day.
Hiit on the treadmill definitely isn't the best idea, but the hiit thing was an example to drive hime my point of pushing yourself past the normal daily routine, that point was somehow missed by the example.
Thanks for the study I'll definitely check it out, I'm not nor ever claimed to know everything and am always open to learn as you have to be.
If I'm wrong about something i have no issue with saying so, I'll definitely read the article and research it more and i appreciate you approaching this as a way to educate opposed to berating me, i feel as though i gave sound advice to anyone trying to push to the next level and don't see how anything i said could be misconstued as negative.
You don't think saying that someone is "cheating themselves" is negative?
No i don't, because you can always push harder
Not everyone likes to train that way.
This isn't the 80's. "Feel the burn" and the idea of having to kill yourself with working out went away long ago.
People like you discourage people from exercising. I know this all or nothing attitude kept me from exercising for years. It was finding out that I could take a measured, gradual approach to building fitness that led to me finding an enjoyable relationship with exercise.
I enjoy challenging myself. I don't enjoy pushing so hard that I can't work out again the next day. There are limits. You aren't the person to make those calls for other people.11 -
How is one cheating themselves? If they are progressing at the rate they are comfortable with especially?
If someone is losing weight doing it, how is that not progress?If all your doing is steady state cardio day in and day out then thats fine, but you're cheating yourselves out of progress ..
The metabolism doesn't need a kick start. It runs based on physical activity. And really all one has to do to make walking on a treadmill harder without increasing the speed is incline it.As i said before our bodies are highly adaptive, walking for an hour on a treadmill is not pushing your body to its limits, you'll eventually burn less and less calories, its ok to do some steady state cardio, i walk/jog 3.5 to 5 miles on the morning to kickstart my metabolism so i burn more cals throughout the day, but i also make sure to spend 15-20 mins a day on the treadmill and or the elliptical pushing my body.
Steady state cardio has a place in fitness. The best fighters in the world do steady state cardio for endurance and to help keep their weight in check.I didn't say HIIT was the only effective way to exercise, what i said was try something new, shock your body and see the results faster. If you can't do it then don't bash my post, start off slow and work your way up to it, because the fact of the matter is its a much much much more effective way than steady state cardio will ever be
If you don't like steady state cardio, that's fine, but don't bash it.
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I never bashed it, i even said i do steady state, do you guys read?!?!?! Lol what i said is if that ALL you do day in and day out then you're cheating yourself, mix it up a little bit .... why is that concept being so ill received
Any of those train that way. That's their basics. If you really want to talk basics, all one needs to do to lose weight is eat less than they burn. Exercise of any type is great for health and fitness, but you know as well as I do that calorie intake versus calories burned dictates energy balance in the body.And while progress might be acheived why not maximize that and optimize the time spent working out, hence cheating yourself ... and why wouldn't you do everything you can to burn more calories if losing body fat is the goal, if that means shocking the system or boosting metabolism then why would that be a bad thing? As i stated before our bodies are highly adaptive, you only get results for so long before it adapts and know longer responds the same, why not mix it up, keep it guessing and working hard to burn cals, fat, and build muscle?
Any professional athlete, bodybuilder, and trainer will tell you these are the basics.
There's nothing with working hard if that's something that person can do. But there are lots and lots of people that can't do HIIT. They body's, their age, their ability may not be able to handle it, especially if they start out obese on a program.
I get what you're trying to say, but unless you're actually aware of all the types of people out there, you just can't push them to an exercise philosophy that you believe works best. It's best for you and maybe other athletes, but may not be for lots of the general population.
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And that was my mistake, i see it now because thats where people's focus is
My goal of the post was to get people to get out of there familiar comfortable ways and to push themselves... hiit was an example ... if someone can walk hours on a treadmill they can definitely do some interval training, throw some jogging and sprints in there ...
It wasn't meant to come off as this is all you have to do and boom you're golden lol it was meant as an example to get people to push push push and then push some more.
Not sure where this message was lost, i felt it was clear but people took things super literal instead of seeing the overall message
For me, familiar and comfortable is sustainable. Pushing is useless if it makes you quit.
If pushing yourself a little each day or each week is what will make you quit then you aren't fully comitted to achieving your goals its as easy as that, if pushung yourself leads to you quitting then you were probably gonna quit to begin with you just found your excuse
If someone has the goal of fat loss and they have a low tolerance for exerting themselves and so they choose to use easier exercises and not push too hard in the gym, the net result may be that they don't reap maximal benefit from their training, but the trade off could be that they keep going to the gym instead of quitting.
And being consistent over several months is a LOT better than quitting.
This is an important thing to think about.26 -
janejellyroll wrote: »You guys are delusional, I'm over it ... i never said it was the only way.. what I'm saying is try something new and work harder
Its obvious there's a bunch of close minded folks in this place so hey if what you're doing works for you then cool, don't know why you commented to begin with.
Its funny to see people who are out of shape tell me how what im saying is wrong lmao jesus i should go take financial advice from a homeless person too i guess
Hi.
I'm in pretty good shape, feel free to check my photo gallery. I only mention this part because you seem to be concerned about the condition someone is in when they question you.
If you're concerned about qualifications and experience I have multiple PT certifications and I generally stay up to speed to the best of my ability through a couple of research reviews. Nothing terribly impressive but certainly more than "zero". I also run a successful and growing online coaching business and I also have experience training clients in a live gym setting.
I'm also happy to tell you my lifts if it concerns you.
Now on to more important stuff.
You're correct about spot reduction being a myth.
You're incorrect about the blind advocacy for HIIT. HIIT has a MUCH larger recovery component compared to LISS. HIIT also requires the individual to be in better starting condition to even execute it correctly in the first place. In a forum with a broad mix of demographics, recommending a specific exercise or modality of training is potentially harmful advice.
From a fat loss perspective, it is going to boil down to creating a calorie deficit. HIIT may be a more efficient way to achieve cardiovascular adaptations, it may be a more efficient way to burn calories, but it's FAR more taxing on recovery systems and so consequently it's harder to position into an overall training program.
HIIT on a treadmill is not a great idea either -- adjusting the speed appropriately can suck, and additional stress from impact can be a pretty big negative for a lot of people. Using a bike could be a much more tolerable choice but it will again come down to individual goals and preferences there.
Your belief about fasted cardio being superior for fat loss is false if the goal is overall whole body fat loss. Schoenfeld studied this here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4242477/
Fasted cardio increased acute fat oxidation during the training bout but it does not lead to greater changes in body fat loss over time. This is why you can't look at things in a vacuum.
Have a nice day.
Hiit on the treadmill definitely isn't the best idea, but the hiit thing was an example to drive hime my point of pushing yourself past the normal daily routine, that point was somehow missed by the example.
Thanks for the study I'll definitely check it out, I'm not nor ever claimed to know everything and am always open to learn as you have to be.
If I'm wrong about something i have no issue with saying so, I'll definitely read the article and research it more and i appreciate you approaching this as a way to educate opposed to berating me, i feel as though i gave sound advice to anyone trying to push to the next level and don't see how anything i said could be misconstued as negative.
You don't think saying that someone is "cheating themselves" is negative?
No i don't, because you can always push harder
So what? Not everyone wants to push harder. That's what you don't seem to be getting. Your attitude in this thread has been "if you aren't doing THE MOSTEST EVER STUFFZ AT THE GYM and if your muscles aren't SO SWOLE BRO then you suck," and you know what? That sucks. Not everyone wants to be Mr. Universe. Get over it.
Lmao thats not what I'm saying at all, what I'm saying is who works out without setting short term goals? Who works out and doesn't say I'm gonna do better than yesterday? Who does this?
You put all those things you said in your mind about me because of some preconceived notion and judgment you've made based on god know what, but nothing I've said in this entire thread eludes to me saying get buff and lift lift lift, what I'm saying is if you are over weight, you have to do the work to acheive your goals, you need to push past the boundaries you've set in your head that limits yourself, its not about being super buff or fast or superior its about optimizing the time you spend working out, seeing better results and getting out of your comfort zone.0 -
How is one cheating themselves? If they are progressing at the rate they are comfortable with especially?
If someone is losing weight doing it, how is that not progress?If all your doing is steady state cardio day in and day out then thats fine, but you're cheating yourselves out of progress ..
The metabolism doesn't need a kick start. It runs based on physical activity. And really all one has to do to make walking on a treadmill harder without increasing the speed is incline it.As i said before our bodies are highly adaptive, walking for an hour on a treadmill is not pushing your body to its limits, you'll eventually burn less and less calories, its ok to do some steady state cardio, i walk/jog 3.5 to 5 miles on the morning to kickstart my metabolism so i burn more cals throughout the day, but i also make sure to spend 15-20 mins a day on the treadmill and or the elliptical pushing my body.
Steady state cardio has a place in fitness. The best fighters in the world do steady state cardio for endurance and to help keep their weight in check.I didn't say HIIT was the only effective way to exercise, what i said was try something new, shock your body and see the results faster. If you can't do it then don't bash my post, start off slow and work your way up to it, because the fact of the matter is its a much much much more effective way than steady state cardio will ever be
If you don't like steady state cardio, that's fine, but don't bash it.
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I never bashed it, i even said i do steady state, do you guys read?!?!?! Lol what i said is if that ALL you do day in and day out then you're cheating yourself, mix it up a little bit .... why is that concept being so ill received
Any of those train that way. That's their basics. If you really want to talk basics, all one needs to do to lose weight is eat less than they burn. Exercise of any type is great for health and fitness, but you know as well as I do that calorie intake versus calories burned dictates energy balance in the body.And while progress might be acheived why not maximize that and optimize the time spent working out, hence cheating yourself ... and why wouldn't you do everything you can to burn more calories if losing body fat is the goal, if that means shocking the system or boosting metabolism then why would that be a bad thing? As i stated before our bodies are highly adaptive, you only get results for so long before it adapts and know longer responds the same, why not mix it up, keep it guessing and working hard to burn cals, fat, and build muscle?
Any professional athlete, bodybuilder, and trainer will tell you these are the basics.
There's nothing with working hard if that's something that person can do. But there are lots and lots of people that can't do HIIT. They body's, their age, their ability may not be able to handle it, especially if they start out obese on a program.
I get what you're trying to say, but unless you're actually aware of all the types of people out there, you just can't push them to an exercise philosophy that you believe works best. It's best for you and maybe other athletes, but may not be for lots of the general population.
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Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
And that was my mistake, i see it now because thats where people's focus is
My goal of the post was to get people to get out of there familiar comfortable ways and to push themselves... hiit was an example ... if someone can walk hours on a treadmill they can definitely do some interval training, throw some jogging and sprints in there ...
It wasn't meant to come off as this is all you have to do and boom you're golden lol it was meant as an example to get people to push push push and then push some more.
Not sure where this message was lost, i felt it was clear but people took things super literal instead of seeing the overall message
For me, familiar and comfortable is sustainable. Pushing is useless if it makes you quit.
If pushing yourself a little each day or each week is what will make you quit then you aren't fully comitted to achieving your goals its as easy as that, if pushung yourself leads to you quitting then you were probably gonna quit to begin with you just found your excuse
Good grief.
You do not know what everybody's goals are. You are in no place to judge whether a person pushing themselves harder than they are now is detrimental to their health in some way or not. If a person wants to enjoy sustainable and comfortable exercise, that is perfectly fine. It doesn't mean that his/her goal is not being achieved. Sustainable and comfortable exercise is the goal for many people. We're not all out here trying to light the world on fire.10 -
How is one cheating themselves? If they are progressing at the rate they are comfortable with especially?
If someone is losing weight doing it, how is that not progress?If all your doing is steady state cardio day in and day out then thats fine, but you're cheating yourselves out of progress ..
The metabolism doesn't need a kick start. It runs based on physical activity. And really all one has to do to make walking on a treadmill harder without increasing the speed is incline it.As i said before our bodies are highly adaptive, walking for an hour on a treadmill is not pushing your body to its limits, you'll eventually burn less and less calories, its ok to do some steady state cardio, i walk/jog 3.5 to 5 miles on the morning to kickstart my metabolism so i burn more cals throughout the day, but i also make sure to spend 15-20 mins a day on the treadmill and or the elliptical pushing my body.
Steady state cardio has a place in fitness. The best fighters in the world do steady state cardio for endurance and to help keep their weight in check.I didn't say HIIT was the only effective way to exercise, what i said was try something new, shock your body and see the results faster. If you can't do it then don't bash my post, start off slow and work your way up to it, because the fact of the matter is its a much much much more effective way than steady state cardio will ever be
If you don't like steady state cardio, that's fine, but don't bash it.
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Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I never bashed it, i even said i do steady state, do you guys read?!?!?! Lol what i said is if that ALL you do day in and day out then you're cheating yourself, mix it up a little bit .... why is that concept being so ill received
Any of those train that way. That's their basics. If you really want to talk basics, all one needs to do to lose weight is eat less than they burn. Exercise of any type is great for health and fitness, but you know as well as I do that calorie intake versus calories burned dictates energy balance in the body.And while progress might be acheived why not maximize that and optimize the time spent working out, hence cheating yourself ... and why wouldn't you do everything you can to burn more calories if losing body fat is the goal, if that means shocking the system or boosting metabolism then why would that be a bad thing? As i stated before our bodies are highly adaptive, you only get results for so long before it adapts and know longer responds the same, why not mix it up, keep it guessing and working hard to burn cals, fat, and build muscle?
Any professional athlete, bodybuilder, and trainer will tell you these are the basics.
There's nothing with working hard if that's something that person can do. But there are lots and lots of people that can't do HIIT. They body's, their age, their ability may not be able to handle it, especially if they start out obese on a program.
I get what you're trying to say, but unless you're actually aware of all the types of people out there, you just can't push them to an exercise philosophy that you believe works best. It's best for you and maybe other athletes, but may not be for lots of the general population.
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And that was my mistake, i see it now because thats where people's focus is
My goal of the post was to get people to get out of there familiar comfortable ways and to push themselves... hiit was an example ... if someone can walk hours on a treadmill they can definitely do some interval training, throw some jogging and sprints in there ...
It wasn't meant to come off as this is all you have to do and boom you're golden lol it was meant as an example to get people to push push push and then push some more.
Not sure where this message was lost, i felt it was clear but people took things super literal instead of seeing the overall message
For me, familiar and comfortable is sustainable. Pushing is useless if it makes you quit.
If pushing yourself a little each day or each week is what will make you quit then you aren't fully comitted to achieving your goals its as easy as that, if pushung yourself leads to you quitting then you were probably gonna quit to begin with you just found your excuse
That highlights how different your goals are from the goals of some others here on MFP. This is the General Diet and Weight Loss Help board.
My goal is to get to a healthy weight for me. That's it. I'm nearly there. I've found a way of eating that works for me without stress. The easier it is to do, the easier it is to keep doing.
My next challenge is to sustain the weight loss. I'm feeling good about that happening this time around.
No pushing required, just consistency.14 -
janejellyroll wrote: »You guys are delusional, I'm over it ... i never said it was the only way.. what I'm saying is try something new and work harder
Its obvious there's a bunch of close minded folks in this place so hey if what you're doing works for you then cool, don't know why you commented to begin with.
Its funny to see people who are out of shape tell me how what im saying is wrong lmao jesus i should go take financial advice from a homeless person too i guess
Hi.
I'm in pretty good shape, feel free to check my photo gallery. I only mention this part because you seem to be concerned about the condition someone is in when they question you.
If you're concerned about qualifications and experience I have multiple PT certifications and I generally stay up to speed to the best of my ability through a couple of research reviews. Nothing terribly impressive but certainly more than "zero". I also run a successful and growing online coaching business and I also have experience training clients in a live gym setting.
I'm also happy to tell you my lifts if it concerns you.
Now on to more important stuff.
You're correct about spot reduction being a myth.
You're incorrect about the blind advocacy for HIIT. HIIT has a MUCH larger recovery component compared to LISS. HIIT also requires the individual to be in better starting condition to even execute it correctly in the first place. In a forum with a broad mix of demographics, recommending a specific exercise or modality of training is potentially harmful advice.
From a fat loss perspective, it is going to boil down to creating a calorie deficit. HIIT may be a more efficient way to achieve cardiovascular adaptations, it may be a more efficient way to burn calories, but it's FAR more taxing on recovery systems and so consequently it's harder to position into an overall training program.
HIIT on a treadmill is not a great idea either -- adjusting the speed appropriately can suck, and additional stress from impact can be a pretty big negative for a lot of people. Using a bike could be a much more tolerable choice but it will again come down to individual goals and preferences there.
Your belief about fasted cardio being superior for fat loss is false if the goal is overall whole body fat loss. Schoenfeld studied this here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4242477/
Fasted cardio increased acute fat oxidation during the training bout but it does not lead to greater changes in body fat loss over time. This is why you can't look at things in a vacuum.
Have a nice day.
Hiit on the treadmill definitely isn't the best idea, but the hiit thing was an example to drive hime my point of pushing yourself past the normal daily routine, that point was somehow missed by the example.
Thanks for the study I'll definitely check it out, I'm not nor ever claimed to know everything and am always open to learn as you have to be.
If I'm wrong about something i have no issue with saying so, I'll definitely read the article and research it more and i appreciate you approaching this as a way to educate opposed to berating me, i feel as though i gave sound advice to anyone trying to push to the next level and don't see how anything i said could be misconstued as negative.
You don't think saying that someone is "cheating themselves" is negative?
No i don't, because you can always push harder
So what? Not everyone wants to push harder. That's what you don't seem to be getting. Your attitude in this thread has been "if you aren't doing THE MOSTEST EVER STUFFZ AT THE GYM and if your muscles aren't SO SWOLE BRO then you suck," and you know what? That sucks. Not everyone wants to be Mr. Universe. Get over it.
Lmao thats not what I'm saying at all, what I'm saying is who works out without setting short term goals? Who works out and doesn't say I'm gonna do better than yesterday? Who does this?
You put all those things you said in your mind about me because of some preconceived notion and judgment you've made based on god know what, but nothing I've said in this entire thread eludes to me saying get buff and lift lift lift, what I'm saying is if you are over weight, you have to do the work to acheive your goals, you need to push past the boundaries you've set in your head that limits yourself, its not about being super buff or fast or superior its about optimizing the time you spend working out, seeing better results and getting out of your comfort zone.
I didn't suggest not setting goals. I said that people's goals don't have to be to push AS HARD AS POSSIBLE and PUSH MORE MORE MORE. Because, as has been suggested at least thirty times now, not. Everyone. Has. The. Same. Goals. As. You.10 -
Funny how people zerod in on the part where I'm challenging you to work hard and totally negated all the other positive things ....
If you don't want to push yourself then fine, i honestly don't care i was just trying to be helpful and to try to get people to see things from a new perspective... it seems as though people aren't willing to step out of their comfort zones, we can all jump on a treadmill and walk a few miles, get a little sweat going, have a little labored breathing.. and if this is working out for you then great! But at some point you're going to have to increase the speed, the incline and you're going to have to push yourself to get greater results its just the way it is.
LOL. I think it's funny how you think people are upset at the idea of working hard. Many of the people who commented have and do work hard and challenge themselves physically. Way to be consistent with painting everything and everyone with a broad brush though. Good job!
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How is one cheating themselves? If they are progressing at the rate they are comfortable with especially?
If someone is losing weight doing it, how is that not progress?If all your doing is steady state cardio day in and day out then thats fine, but you're cheating yourselves out of progress ..
The metabolism doesn't need a kick start. It runs based on physical activity. And really all one has to do to make walking on a treadmill harder without increasing the speed is incline it.As i said before our bodies are highly adaptive, walking for an hour on a treadmill is not pushing your body to its limits, you'll eventually burn less and less calories, its ok to do some steady state cardio, i walk/jog 3.5 to 5 miles on the morning to kickstart my metabolism so i burn more cals throughout the day, but i also make sure to spend 15-20 mins a day on the treadmill and or the elliptical pushing my body.
Steady state cardio has a place in fitness. The best fighters in the world do steady state cardio for endurance and to help keep their weight in check.I didn't say HIIT was the only effective way to exercise, what i said was try something new, shock your body and see the results faster. If you can't do it then don't bash my post, start off slow and work your way up to it, because the fact of the matter is its a much much much more effective way than steady state cardio will ever be
If you don't like steady state cardio, that's fine, but don't bash it.
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I never bashed it, i even said i do steady state, do you guys read?!?!?! Lol what i said is if that ALL you do day in and day out then you're cheating yourself, mix it up a little bit .... why is that concept being so ill received
Any of those train that way. That's their basics. If you really want to talk basics, all one needs to do to lose weight is eat less than they burn. Exercise of any type is great for health and fitness, but you know as well as I do that calorie intake versus calories burned dictates energy balance in the body.And while progress might be acheived why not maximize that and optimize the time spent working out, hence cheating yourself ... and why wouldn't you do everything you can to burn more calories if losing body fat is the goal, if that means shocking the system or boosting metabolism then why would that be a bad thing? As i stated before our bodies are highly adaptive, you only get results for so long before it adapts and know longer responds the same, why not mix it up, keep it guessing and working hard to burn cals, fat, and build muscle?
Any professional athlete, bodybuilder, and trainer will tell you these are the basics.
There's nothing with working hard if that's something that person can do. But there are lots and lots of people that can't do HIIT. They body's, their age, their ability may not be able to handle it, especially if they start out obese on a program.
I get what you're trying to say, but unless you're actually aware of all the types of people out there, you just can't push them to an exercise philosophy that you believe works best. It's best for you and maybe other athletes, but may not be for lots of the general population.
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And that was my mistake, i see it now because thats where people's focus is
My goal of the post was to get people to get out of there familiar comfortable ways and to push themselves... hiit was an example ... if someone can walk hours on a treadmill they can definitely do some interval training, throw some jogging and sprints in there ...
It wasn't meant to come off as this is all you have to do and boom you're golden lol it was meant as an example to get people to push push push and then push some more.
Not sure where this message was lost, i felt it was clear but people took things super literal instead of seeing the overall message
For me, familiar and comfortable is sustainable. Pushing is useless if it makes you quit.
If pushing yourself a little each day or each week is what will make you quit then you aren't fully comitted to achieving your goals its as easy as that, if pushung yourself leads to you quitting then you were probably gonna quit to begin with you just found your excuse
Wrong. If pushing yourself every day isn't your style it could just means you're not a type A personality. Or it's not in line with your goals.
Lighten up dude.10 -
How is one cheating themselves? If they are progressing at the rate they are comfortable with especially?
If someone is losing weight doing it, how is that not progress?If all your doing is steady state cardio day in and day out then thats fine, but you're cheating yourselves out of progress ..
The metabolism doesn't need a kick start. It runs based on physical activity. And really all one has to do to make walking on a treadmill harder without increasing the speed is incline it.As i said before our bodies are highly adaptive, walking for an hour on a treadmill is not pushing your body to its limits, you'll eventually burn less and less calories, its ok to do some steady state cardio, i walk/jog 3.5 to 5 miles on the morning to kickstart my metabolism so i burn more cals throughout the day, but i also make sure to spend 15-20 mins a day on the treadmill and or the elliptical pushing my body.
Steady state cardio has a place in fitness. The best fighters in the world do steady state cardio for endurance and to help keep their weight in check.I didn't say HIIT was the only effective way to exercise, what i said was try something new, shock your body and see the results faster. If you can't do it then don't bash my post, start off slow and work your way up to it, because the fact of the matter is its a much much much more effective way than steady state cardio will ever be
If you don't like steady state cardio, that's fine, but don't bash it.
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I never bashed it, i even said i do steady state, do you guys read?!?!?! Lol what i said is if that ALL you do day in and day out then you're cheating yourself, mix it up a little bit .... why is that concept being so ill received
Any of those train that way. That's their basics. If you really want to talk basics, all one needs to do to lose weight is eat less than they burn. Exercise of any type is great for health and fitness, but you know as well as I do that calorie intake versus calories burned dictates energy balance in the body.And while progress might be acheived why not maximize that and optimize the time spent working out, hence cheating yourself ... and why wouldn't you do everything you can to burn more calories if losing body fat is the goal, if that means shocking the system or boosting metabolism then why would that be a bad thing? As i stated before our bodies are highly adaptive, you only get results for so long before it adapts and know longer responds the same, why not mix it up, keep it guessing and working hard to burn cals, fat, and build muscle?
Any professional athlete, bodybuilder, and trainer will tell you these are the basics.
There's nothing with working hard if that's something that person can do. But there are lots and lots of people that can't do HIIT. They body's, their age, their ability may not be able to handle it, especially if they start out obese on a program.
I get what you're trying to say, but unless you're actually aware of all the types of people out there, you just can't push them to an exercise philosophy that you believe works best. It's best for you and maybe other athletes, but may not be for lots of the general population.
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And that was my mistake, i see it now because thats where people's focus is
My goal of the post was to get people to get out of there familiar comfortable ways and to push themselves... hiit was an example ... if someone can walk hours on a treadmill they can definitely do some interval training, throw some jogging and sprints in there ...
It wasn't meant to come off as this is all you have to do and boom you're golden lol it was meant as an example to get people to push push push and then push some more.
Not sure where this message was lost, i felt it was clear but people took things super literal instead of seeing the overall message
For me, familiar and comfortable is sustainable. Pushing is useless if it makes you quit.
If pushing yourself a little each day or each week is what will make you quit then you aren't fully comitted to achieving your goals its as easy as that, if pushung yourself leads to you quitting then you were probably gonna quit to begin with you just found your excuse
If someone has the goal of fat loss and they have a low tolerance for exerting themselves and so they choose to use easier exercises and not push too hard in the gym, the net result may be that they don't reap maximal benefit from their training, but the trade off could be that they keep going to the gym instead of quitting.
And being consistent over several months is a LOT better than quitting.
This is an important thing to think about.
This is so true, but at what point does one get to the level that they can do more ? See what I'm saying?
I'm nit talking to people who its their first day, I'm talking to the people who consistently walk miles, do the same routines and who can and should push to the next level.. if you can walk miles on a treadmill then you can jog a little, possibly sprint and get the heart rate up more
I'm not saying first day in the gym go balls to the wall lol no I'm saying yes be consistent by all means but make small steps forward over time and push yourself, the hiit was an example not a *kitten* exercise plan..
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janejellyroll wrote: »You guys are delusional, I'm over it ... i never said it was the only way.. what I'm saying is try something new and work harder
Its obvious there's a bunch of close minded folks in this place so hey if what you're doing works for you then cool, don't know why you commented to begin with.
Its funny to see people who are out of shape tell me how what im saying is wrong lmao jesus i should go take financial advice from a homeless person too i guess
Hi.
I'm in pretty good shape, feel free to check my photo gallery. I only mention this part because you seem to be concerned about the condition someone is in when they question you.
If you're concerned about qualifications and experience I have multiple PT certifications and I generally stay up to speed to the best of my ability through a couple of research reviews. Nothing terribly impressive but certainly more than "zero". I also run a successful and growing online coaching business and I also have experience training clients in a live gym setting.
I'm also happy to tell you my lifts if it concerns you.
Now on to more important stuff.
You're correct about spot reduction being a myth.
You're incorrect about the blind advocacy for HIIT. HIIT has a MUCH larger recovery component compared to LISS. HIIT also requires the individual to be in better starting condition to even execute it correctly in the first place. In a forum with a broad mix of demographics, recommending a specific exercise or modality of training is potentially harmful advice.
From a fat loss perspective, it is going to boil down to creating a calorie deficit. HIIT may be a more efficient way to achieve cardiovascular adaptations, it may be a more efficient way to burn calories, but it's FAR more taxing on recovery systems and so consequently it's harder to position into an overall training program.
HIIT on a treadmill is not a great idea either -- adjusting the speed appropriately can suck, and additional stress from impact can be a pretty big negative for a lot of people. Using a bike could be a much more tolerable choice but it will again come down to individual goals and preferences there.
Your belief about fasted cardio being superior for fat loss is false if the goal is overall whole body fat loss. Schoenfeld studied this here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4242477/
Fasted cardio increased acute fat oxidation during the training bout but it does not lead to greater changes in body fat loss over time. This is why you can't look at things in a vacuum.
Have a nice day.
Hiit on the treadmill definitely isn't the best idea, but the hiit thing was an example to drive hime my point of pushing yourself past the normal daily routine, that point was somehow missed by the example.
Thanks for the study I'll definitely check it out, I'm not nor ever claimed to know everything and am always open to learn as you have to be.
If I'm wrong about something i have no issue with saying so, I'll definitely read the article and research it more and i appreciate you approaching this as a way to educate opposed to berating me, i feel as though i gave sound advice to anyone trying to push to the next level and don't see how anything i said could be misconstued as negative.
You don't think saying that someone is "cheating themselves" is negative?
No i don't, because you can always push harder
So what? Not everyone wants to push harder. That's what you don't seem to be getting. Your attitude in this thread has been "if you aren't doing THE MOSTEST EVER STUFFZ AT THE GYM and if your muscles aren't SO SWOLE BRO then you suck," and you know what? That sucks. Not everyone wants to be Mr. Universe. Get over it.
Lmao thats not what I'm saying at all, what I'm saying is who works out without setting short term goals? Who works out and doesn't say I'm gonna do better than yesterday? Who does this?
You put all those things you said in your mind about me because of some preconceived notion and judgment you've made based on god know what, but nothing I've said in this entire thread eludes to me saying get buff and lift lift lift, what I'm saying is if you are over weight, you have to do the work to acheive your goals, you need to push past the boundaries you've set in your head that limits yourself, its not about being super buff or fast or superior its about optimizing the time you spend working out, seeing better results and getting out of your comfort zone.
I run six-seven days a week. I'm not aiming to PR every day, that would burn me out and probably result in an injury. As a long distance runner, sometimes you're pushing yourself hard and sometimes you're getting in the easy base miles. And you know what? They're both important.
Not everyone has your goals. Your advice (some of it anyway) is pretty good for people who share your goals and attitude. But not everyone does and that's okay. The rest of us can also meet *our* goals and have our great bodies and enjoy ourselves. There is room for all of it and nobody is doing it "wrong."11 -
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How is one cheating themselves? If they are progressing at the rate they are comfortable with especially?
If someone is losing weight doing it, how is that not progress?If all your doing is steady state cardio day in and day out then thats fine, but you're cheating yourselves out of progress ..
The metabolism doesn't need a kick start. It runs based on physical activity. And really all one has to do to make walking on a treadmill harder without increasing the speed is incline it.As i said before our bodies are highly adaptive, walking for an hour on a treadmill is not pushing your body to its limits, you'll eventually burn less and less calories, its ok to do some steady state cardio, i walk/jog 3.5 to 5 miles on the morning to kickstart my metabolism so i burn more cals throughout the day, but i also make sure to spend 15-20 mins a day on the treadmill and or the elliptical pushing my body.
Steady state cardio has a place in fitness. The best fighters in the world do steady state cardio for endurance and to help keep their weight in check.I didn't say HIIT was the only effective way to exercise, what i said was try something new, shock your body and see the results faster. If you can't do it then don't bash my post, start off slow and work your way up to it, because the fact of the matter is its a much much much more effective way than steady state cardio will ever be
If you don't like steady state cardio, that's fine, but don't bash it.
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I never bashed it, i even said i do steady state, do you guys read?!?!?! Lol what i said is if that ALL you do day in and day out then you're cheating yourself, mix it up a little bit .... why is that concept being so ill received
Any of those train that way. That's their basics. If you really want to talk basics, all one needs to do to lose weight is eat less than they burn. Exercise of any type is great for health and fitness, but you know as well as I do that calorie intake versus calories burned dictates energy balance in the body.And while progress might be acheived why not maximize that and optimize the time spent working out, hence cheating yourself ... and why wouldn't you do everything you can to burn more calories if losing body fat is the goal, if that means shocking the system or boosting metabolism then why would that be a bad thing? As i stated before our bodies are highly adaptive, you only get results for so long before it adapts and know longer responds the same, why not mix it up, keep it guessing and working hard to burn cals, fat, and build muscle?
Any professional athlete, bodybuilder, and trainer will tell you these are the basics.
There's nothing with working hard if that's something that person can do. But there are lots and lots of people that can't do HIIT. They body's, their age, their ability may not be able to handle it, especially if they start out obese on a program.
I get what you're trying to say, but unless you're actually aware of all the types of people out there, you just can't push them to an exercise philosophy that you believe works best. It's best for you and maybe other athletes, but may not be for lots of the general population.
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And that was my mistake, i see it now because thats where people's focus is
My goal of the post was to get people to get out of there familiar comfortable ways and to push themselves... hiit was an example ... if someone can walk hours on a treadmill they can definitely do some interval training, throw some jogging and sprints in there ...
It wasn't meant to come off as this is all you have to do and boom you're golden lol it was meant as an example to get people to push push push and then push some more.
Not sure where this message was lost, i felt it was clear but people took things super literal instead of seeing the overall message
For me, familiar and comfortable is sustainable. Pushing is useless if it makes you quit.
If pushing yourself a little each day or each week is what will make you quit then you aren't fully comitted to achieving your goals its as easy as that, if pushung yourself leads to you quitting then you were probably gonna quit to begin with you just found your excuse
If someone has the goal of fat loss and they have a low tolerance for exerting themselves and so they choose to use easier exercises and not push too hard in the gym, the net result may be that they don't reap maximal benefit from their training, but the trade off could be that they keep going to the gym instead of quitting.
And being consistent over several months is a LOT better than quitting.
This is an important thing to think about.
This is so true, but at what point does one get to the level that they can do more ? See what I'm saying?
I'm nit talking to people who its their first day, I'm talking to the people who consistently walk miles, do the same routines and who can and should push to the next level.. if you can walk miles on a treadmill then you can jog a little, possibly sprint and get the heart rate up more
I'm not saying first day in the gym go balls to the wall lol no I'm saying yes be consistent by all means but make small steps forward over time and push yourself, the hiit was an example not a *kitten* exercise plan..
"Should." Right there. That's your problem. That isn't a decision you get to make for others, and you don't get to be judgmental about it. That is what people are responding to in this thread -- bossy, judgy, superior nonsense from a guy who seems to think big muscles are more important than happiness, health, or anything else.
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I like where it says this:
"Importantly, as some types of exercise are contraindicated in certain patient populations and HIIT is a complex concept for those unfamiliar to exercise, some patients may require specific assessment or instruction before commencing a HIIT program."
Which is pretty much opposite of how the main post went about pushing HIIT.
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If pushing yourself a little each day or each week is what will make you quit then you aren't fully comitted to achieving your goals its as easy as that, if pushung yourself leads to you quitting then you were probably gonna quit to begin with you just found your excuse
So basically, if we don't workout the way you think we should, we're not fully committed? Take it easy there, Jim Jones. Methinks you've had a little too much Kool-Aid.11 -
Don't worry. Lots of people started out on a bad foot here, myself included. It's a great community and there are lots and lots of people who are well versed in exercise, fitness, and nutrition. There will also be lots of crap you'll hear and even for myself, I had to concede that some of the information I believed to be true, was actually incorrect after being introduced to more peer reviewed clinical studies. And that's okay. If you're learning, you're growing.
How is one cheating themselves? If they are progressing at the rate they are comfortable with especially?
If someone is losing weight doing it, how is that not progress?If all your doing is steady state cardio day in and day out then thats fine, but you're cheating yourselves out of progress ..
The metabolism doesn't need a kick start. It runs based on physical activity. And really all one has to do to make walking on a treadmill harder without increasing the speed is incline it.As i said before our bodies are highly adaptive, walking for an hour on a treadmill is not pushing your body to its limits, you'll eventually burn less and less calories, its ok to do some steady state cardio, i walk/jog 3.5 to 5 miles on the morning to kickstart my metabolism so i burn more cals throughout the day, but i also make sure to spend 15-20 mins a day on the treadmill and or the elliptical pushing my body.
Steady state cardio has a place in fitness. The best fighters in the world do steady state cardio for endurance and to help keep their weight in check.I didn't say HIIT was the only effective way to exercise, what i said was try something new, shock your body and see the results faster. If you can't do it then don't bash my post, start off slow and work your way up to it, because the fact of the matter is its a much much much more effective way than steady state cardio will ever be
If you don't like steady state cardio, that's fine, but don't bash it.
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I never bashed it, i even said i do steady state, do you guys read?!?!?! Lol what i said is if that ALL you do day in and day out then you're cheating yourself, mix it up a little bit .... why is that concept being so ill received
Any of those train that way. That's their basics. If you really want to talk basics, all one needs to do to lose weight is eat less than they burn. Exercise of any type is great for health and fitness, but you know as well as I do that calorie intake versus calories burned dictates energy balance in the body.And while progress might be acheived why not maximize that and optimize the time spent working out, hence cheating yourself ... and why wouldn't you do everything you can to burn more calories if losing body fat is the goal, if that means shocking the system or boosting metabolism then why would that be a bad thing? As i stated before our bodies are highly adaptive, you only get results for so long before it adapts and know longer responds the same, why not mix it up, keep it guessing and working hard to burn cals, fat, and build muscle?
Any professional athlete, bodybuilder, and trainer will tell you these are the basics.
There's nothing with working hard if that's something that person can do. But there are lots and lots of people that can't do HIIT. They body's, their age, their ability may not be able to handle it, especially if they start out obese on a program.
I get what you're trying to say, but unless you're actually aware of all the types of people out there, you just can't push them to an exercise philosophy that you believe works best. It's best for you and maybe other athletes, but may not be for lots of the general population.
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And that was my mistake, i see it now because thats where people's focus is
My goal of the post was to get people to get out of there familiar comfortable ways and to push themselves... hiit was an example ... if someone can walk hours on a treadmill they can definitely do some interval training, throw some jogging and sprints in there ...
It wasn't meant to come off as this is all you have to do and boom you're golden lol it was meant as an example to get people to push push push and then push some more.
Not sure where this message was lost, i felt it was clear but people took things super literal instead of seeing the overall message
BTW, I grew up in Fairfield. I went to Dover (which is now an adult continuation school), Sullivan, and Fairfield high. My parents still live there and I visit them every couple of weeks. I can say it's WAY DIFFERENT than when I grew up there from the 70's through the 90's.
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How is one cheating themselves? If they are progressing at the rate they are comfortable with especially?
If someone is losing weight doing it, how is that not progress?If all your doing is steady state cardio day in and day out then thats fine, but you're cheating yourselves out of progress ..
The metabolism doesn't need a kick start. It runs based on physical activity. And really all one has to do to make walking on a treadmill harder without increasing the speed is incline it.As i said before our bodies are highly adaptive, walking for an hour on a treadmill is not pushing your body to its limits, you'll eventually burn less and less calories, its ok to do some steady state cardio, i walk/jog 3.5 to 5 miles on the morning to kickstart my metabolism so i burn more cals throughout the day, but i also make sure to spend 15-20 mins a day on the treadmill and or the elliptical pushing my body.
Steady state cardio has a place in fitness. The best fighters in the world do steady state cardio for endurance and to help keep their weight in check.I didn't say HIIT was the only effective way to exercise, what i said was try something new, shock your body and see the results faster. If you can't do it then don't bash my post, start off slow and work your way up to it, because the fact of the matter is its a much much much more effective way than steady state cardio will ever be
If you don't like steady state cardio, that's fine, but don't bash it.
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I never bashed it, i even said i do steady state, do you guys read?!?!?! Lol what i said is if that ALL you do day in and day out then you're cheating yourself, mix it up a little bit .... why is that concept being so ill received
Any of those train that way. That's their basics. If you really want to talk basics, all one needs to do to lose weight is eat less than they burn. Exercise of any type is great for health and fitness, but you know as well as I do that calorie intake versus calories burned dictates energy balance in the body.And while progress might be acheived why not maximize that and optimize the time spent working out, hence cheating yourself ... and why wouldn't you do everything you can to burn more calories if losing body fat is the goal, if that means shocking the system or boosting metabolism then why would that be a bad thing? As i stated before our bodies are highly adaptive, you only get results for so long before it adapts and know longer responds the same, why not mix it up, keep it guessing and working hard to burn cals, fat, and build muscle?
Any professional athlete, bodybuilder, and trainer will tell you these are the basics.
There's nothing with working hard if that's something that person can do. But there are lots and lots of people that can't do HIIT. They body's, their age, their ability may not be able to handle it, especially if they start out obese on a program.
I get what you're trying to say, but unless you're actually aware of all the types of people out there, you just can't push them to an exercise philosophy that you believe works best. It's best for you and maybe other athletes, but may not be for lots of the general population.
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And that was my mistake, i see it now because thats where people's focus is
My goal of the post was to get people to get out of there familiar comfortable ways and to push themselves... hiit was an example ... if someone can walk hours on a treadmill they can definitely do some interval training, throw some jogging and sprints in there ...
It wasn't meant to come off as this is all you have to do and boom you're golden lol it was meant as an example to get people to push push push and then push some more.
Not sure where this message was lost, i felt it was clear but people took things super literal instead of seeing the overall message
For me, familiar and comfortable is sustainable. Pushing is useless if it makes you quit.
If pushing yourself a little each day or each week is what will make you quit then you aren't fully comitted to achieving your goals its as easy as that, if pushung yourself leads to you quitting then you were probably gonna quit to begin with you just found your excuse
If someone has the goal of fat loss and they have a low tolerance for exerting themselves and so they choose to use easier exercises and not push too hard in the gym, the net result may be that they don't reap maximal benefit from their training, but the trade off could be that they keep going to the gym instead of quitting.
And being consistent over several months is a LOT better than quitting.
This is an important thing to think about.
This is so true, but at what point does one get to the level that they can do more ? See what I'm saying?
I'm nit talking to people who its their first day, I'm talking to the people who consistently walk miles, do the same routines and who can and should push to the next level.. if you can walk miles on a treadmill then you can jog a little, possibly sprint and get the heart rate up more
I'm not saying first day in the gym go balls to the wall lol no I'm saying yes be consistent by all means but make small steps forward over time and push yourself, the hiit was an example not a *kitten* exercise plan..
Why do you care? What about older people? People with joint issues who shouldn't run? Does your view even consider such possibilities?
If people are walking miles what does it matter to you? How do you get to be the arbiter of "should"?4 -
Maven_of_the_Strings wrote: »
I like where it says this:
"Importantly, as some types of exercise are contraindicated in certain patient populations and HIIT is a complex concept for those unfamiliar to exercise, some patients may require specific assessment or instruction before commencing a HIIT program."
Which is pretty much opposite of how the main post went about pushing HIIT.
Hiit was a suggestion and example... lol again people missed the overall message0 -
I'd everyone can always "push harder", and no one can ever be content with where they are, that would seem to me that the OP would consider everyone as cheating themselves, no?4
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Don't worry. Lots of people started out on a bad foot here, myself included. It's a great community and there are lots and lots of people who are well versed in exercise, fitness, and nutrition. There will also be lots of crap you'll hear and even for myself, I had to concede that some of the information I believed to be true, was actually incorrect after being introduced to more peer reviewed clinical studies. And that's okay. If you're learning, you're growing.
How is one cheating themselves? If they are progressing at the rate they are comfortable with especially?
If someone is losing weight doing it, how is that not progress?If all your doing is steady state cardio day in and day out then thats fine, but you're cheating yourselves out of progress ..
The metabolism doesn't need a kick start. It runs based on physical activity. And really all one has to do to make walking on a treadmill harder without increasing the speed is incline it.As i said before our bodies are highly adaptive, walking for an hour on a treadmill is not pushing your body to its limits, you'll eventually burn less and less calories, its ok to do some steady state cardio, i walk/jog 3.5 to 5 miles on the morning to kickstart my metabolism so i burn more cals throughout the day, but i also make sure to spend 15-20 mins a day on the treadmill and or the elliptical pushing my body.
Steady state cardio has a place in fitness. The best fighters in the world do steady state cardio for endurance and to help keep their weight in check.I didn't say HIIT was the only effective way to exercise, what i said was try something new, shock your body and see the results faster. If you can't do it then don't bash my post, start off slow and work your way up to it, because the fact of the matter is its a much much much more effective way than steady state cardio will ever be
If you don't like steady state cardio, that's fine, but don't bash it.
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Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I never bashed it, i even said i do steady state, do you guys read?!?!?! Lol what i said is if that ALL you do day in and day out then you're cheating yourself, mix it up a little bit .... why is that concept being so ill received
Any of those train that way. That's their basics. If you really want to talk basics, all one needs to do to lose weight is eat less than they burn. Exercise of any type is great for health and fitness, but you know as well as I do that calorie intake versus calories burned dictates energy balance in the body.And while progress might be acheived why not maximize that and optimize the time spent working out, hence cheating yourself ... and why wouldn't you do everything you can to burn more calories if losing body fat is the goal, if that means shocking the system or boosting metabolism then why would that be a bad thing? As i stated before our bodies are highly adaptive, you only get results for so long before it adapts and know longer responds the same, why not mix it up, keep it guessing and working hard to burn cals, fat, and build muscle?
Any professional athlete, bodybuilder, and trainer will tell you these are the basics.
There's nothing with working hard if that's something that person can do. But there are lots and lots of people that can't do HIIT. They body's, their age, their ability may not be able to handle it, especially if they start out obese on a program.
I get what you're trying to say, but unless you're actually aware of all the types of people out there, you just can't push them to an exercise philosophy that you believe works best. It's best for you and maybe other athletes, but may not be for lots of the general population.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
And that was my mistake, i see it now because thats where people's focus is
My goal of the post was to get people to get out of there familiar comfortable ways and to push themselves... hiit was an example ... if someone can walk hours on a treadmill they can definitely do some interval training, throw some jogging and sprints in there ...
It wasn't meant to come off as this is all you have to do and boom you're golden lol it was meant as an example to get people to push push push and then push some more.
Not sure where this message was lost, i felt it was clear but people took things super literal instead of seeing the overall message
BTW, I grew up in Fairfield. I went to Dover (which is now an adult continuation school), Sullivan, and Fairfield high. My parents still live there and I visit them every couple of weeks. I can say it's WAY DIFFERENT than when I grew up there from the 70's through the 90's.
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Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Definitely open to learning always and I'm not worried at all i was just sharing helpful info that people took way out of context I'm happy with myself and my health and results so the opions of others don't bug me much, learning more when that info is credible is something I'm always open to though if it means improving
I actually live in sac now, kinda far from everything but a much better vibe as far as I'm concerned0 -
In short, this set out to try to compare HIIT with other exercises but the conclusion just really talks about the results of the tests. It doesn't really delve into the comparison of other exercises except in regards to (essentially) saying that HIIT takes less time than other exercises in regards to reaching certain conditions. Which is kind of a "duh".
But that doesn't support you telling people to stop walking and do HIIT, especially as you have no clue as to where they are coming/starting from physically and therefore could encourage them to jump into something that may be to much for them at this time. Which in turn could lead to them quitting.
Of course it doesn't help when you also follow it up with insinuating people are scared of a challenge or are lazy. Because that's basically what you've done in the way you've come off in your responses to a few.
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How is one cheating themselves? If they are progressing at the rate they are comfortable with especially?
If someone is losing weight doing it, how is that not progress?If all your doing is steady state cardio day in and day out then thats fine, but you're cheating yourselves out of progress ..
The metabolism doesn't need a kick start. It runs based on physical activity. And really all one has to do to make walking on a treadmill harder without increasing the speed is incline it.As i said before our bodies are highly adaptive, walking for an hour on a treadmill is not pushing your body to its limits, you'll eventually burn less and less calories, its ok to do some steady state cardio, i walk/jog 3.5 to 5 miles on the morning to kickstart my metabolism so i burn more cals throughout the day, but i also make sure to spend 15-20 mins a day on the treadmill and or the elliptical pushing my body.
Steady state cardio has a place in fitness. The best fighters in the world do steady state cardio for endurance and to help keep their weight in check.I didn't say HIIT was the only effective way to exercise, what i said was try something new, shock your body and see the results faster. If you can't do it then don't bash my post, start off slow and work your way up to it, because the fact of the matter is its a much much much more effective way than steady state cardio will ever be
If you don't like steady state cardio, that's fine, but don't bash it.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I never bashed it, i even said i do steady state, do you guys read?!?!?! Lol what i said is if that ALL you do day in and day out then you're cheating yourself, mix it up a little bit .... why is that concept being so ill received
Any of those train that way. That's their basics. If you really want to talk basics, all one needs to do to lose weight is eat less than they burn. Exercise of any type is great for health and fitness, but you know as well as I do that calorie intake versus calories burned dictates energy balance in the body.And while progress might be acheived why not maximize that and optimize the time spent working out, hence cheating yourself ... and why wouldn't you do everything you can to burn more calories if losing body fat is the goal, if that means shocking the system or boosting metabolism then why would that be a bad thing? As i stated before our bodies are highly adaptive, you only get results for so long before it adapts and know longer responds the same, why not mix it up, keep it guessing and working hard to burn cals, fat, and build muscle?
Any professional athlete, bodybuilder, and trainer will tell you these are the basics.
There's nothing with working hard if that's something that person can do. But there are lots and lots of people that can't do HIIT. They body's, their age, their ability may not be able to handle it, especially if they start out obese on a program.
I get what you're trying to say, but unless you're actually aware of all the types of people out there, you just can't push them to an exercise philosophy that you believe works best. It's best for you and maybe other athletes, but may not be for lots of the general population.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
And that was my mistake, i see it now because thats where people's focus is
My goal of the post was to get people to get out of there familiar comfortable ways and to push themselves... hiit was an example ... if someone can walk hours on a treadmill they can definitely do some interval training, throw some jogging and sprints in there ...
It wasn't meant to come off as this is all you have to do and boom you're golden lol it was meant as an example to get people to push push push and then push some more.
Not sure where this message was lost, i felt it was clear but people took things super literal instead of seeing the overall message
For me, familiar and comfortable is sustainable. Pushing is useless if it makes you quit.
If pushing yourself a little each day or each week is what will make you quit then you aren't fully comitted to achieving your goals its as easy as that, if pushung yourself leads to you quitting then you were probably gonna quit to begin with you just found your excuse
If someone has the goal of fat loss and they have a low tolerance for exerting themselves and so they choose to use easier exercises and not push too hard in the gym, the net result may be that they don't reap maximal benefit from their training, but the trade off could be that they keep going to the gym instead of quitting.
And being consistent over several months is a LOT better than quitting.
This is an important thing to think about.
This is so true, but at what point does one get to the level that they can do more ? See what I'm saying?
I'm nit talking to people who its their first day, I'm talking to the people who consistently walk miles, do the same routines and who can and should push to the next level.. if you can walk miles on a treadmill then you can jog a little, possibly sprint and get the heart rate up more
I'm not saying first day in the gym go balls to the wall lol no I'm saying yes be consistent by all means but make small steps forward over time and push yourself, the hiit was an example not a *kitten* exercise plan..
"Should." Right there. That's your problem. That isn't a decision you get to make for others, and you don't get to be judgmental about it. That is what people are responding to in this thread -- bossy, judgy, superior nonsense from a guy who seems to think big muscles are more important than happiness, health, or anything else.
Its not my problem lol its yours, and yes you SHOULD always push yourself0 -
Maven_of_the_Strings wrote: »
I like where it says this:
"Importantly, as some types of exercise are contraindicated in certain patient populations and HIIT is a complex concept for those unfamiliar to exercise, some patients may require specific assessment or instruction before commencing a HIIT program."
Which is pretty much opposite of how the main post went about pushing HIIT.
Hiit was a suggestion and example... lol again people missed the overall message
No, I think that "My way is the only correct way" came through quite clearly.7 -
stephenearllucas wrote: »So, to take the thread in a different direction:
I have a hard time taking any advice or viewpoint seriously when it has "lol" and "lmao" regularly interspersed. Especially "lol"....
Lol0 -
You might Google Patrick Umphrey...8
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Maven_of_the_Strings wrote: »
I like where it says this:
"Importantly, as some types of exercise are contraindicated in certain patient populations and HIIT is a complex concept for those unfamiliar to exercise, some patients may require specific assessment or instruction before commencing a HIIT program."
Which is pretty much opposite of how the main post went about pushing HIIT.
Hiit was a suggestion and example... lol again people missed the overall message
No, I think that "My way is the only correct way" came through quite clearly.
Then you should go and read it again from a non biased and judgmental stanpoint because it wasn't my intention at all nor was it implied in the least bit, is my thumbnail pic threatening or something? Your preconceived notion had to of come from somewhere0
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