14.5 bmi is this too low?
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Seriously. This OP is a full grown man. He isn't underage. He is intelligent and is actually listening to people about going to the doctor for screening before going forward with a plan to gain weight. Sheesh.
I actually disagree. OP showed little effort to actually get into the doctor and made excuses for several pages before he actually did. He has been resistant to eating more. The line of questioning from the doctor suggests the doctor thinks an ED is a possibility.
No. He could not get an appointment. Read the posts again.
ETA-- obviously he wants help because he wasn't scared off by people asking about ED. I'm impressed he has stuck through the whole line of questioning. Plus he got his appointment as well as a follow up one.1 -
Seriously. This OP is a full grown man. He isn't underage. He is intelligent and is actually listening to people about going to the doctor for screening before going forward with a plan to gain weight. Sheesh.
I actually disagree. OP showed little effort to actually get into the doctor and made excuses for several pages before he actually did. He has been resistant to eating more. The line of questioning from the doctor suggests the doctor thinks an ED is a possibility.
No. He could not get an appointment. Read the posts again.
Somebody please slap me on the forehead. My hand is fatigued already
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Seriously. This OP is a full grown man. He isn't underage. He is intelligent and is actually listening to people about going to the doctor for screening before going forward with a plan to gain weight. Sheesh.
I actually disagree. OP showed little effort to actually get into the doctor and made excuses for several pages before he actually did. He has been resistant to eating more. The line of questioning from the doctor suggests the doctor thinks an ED is a possibility.
No. He could not get an appointment. Read the posts again.
He couldn't get an appointment because he made minimal effort.6 -
In due course the GP is going to ask for a food diary. Getting the logging habit here will make that so much easier, and the cause of the problem ( too few calories in, or something else) fairly apparent.
An open diary would also make it easier to tailor the advice on increasing calories towards foods the OP might actually eat too.
Just a thought....3 -
Seriously. This OP is a full grown man. He isn't underage. He is intelligent and is actually listening to people about going to the doctor for screening before going forward with a plan to gain weight. Sheesh.
I actually disagree. OP showed little effort to actually get into the doctor and made excuses for several pages before he actually did. He has been resistant to eating more. The line of questioning from the doctor suggests the doctor thinks an ED is a possibility.
No. He could not get an appointment. Read the posts again.
Somebody please slap me on the forehead. My hand is fatigued already
Try smacking your head against the desk/wall. Eventually you'll knock yourself out. It's how I get to sleep nearly every single night.4 -
I wonder if the OP would be getting the flippant "you can eat loads! enjoy it!" and "don't gain fat, gain muscle!" if they were female and at a BMI of 14.5.14
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Seriously. This OP is a full grown man. He isn't underage. He is intelligent and is actually listening to people about going to the doctor for screening before going forward with a plan to gain weight. Sheesh.
I disagree with this. He has made numerous excuses as to why he is not going to the doctor. His posts also throw up major red flags as someone who has may have an eating disorder.4 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »I wonder if the OP would be getting the flippant "you can eat loads! enjoy it!" and "don't gain fat, gain muscle!" if they were female and at a BMI of 14.5.
I'm going to say no, theynlikely wouldnt. Theuwnould likely be encouraged to see a therapist.0 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »I wonder if the OP would be getting the flippant "you can eat loads! enjoy it!" and "don't gain fat, gain muscle!" if they were female and at a BMI of 14.5.
I'm going to say no, theynlikely wouldnt. Theuwnould likely be encouraged to see a therapist.
You would be correct.0 -
Seriously. This OP is a full grown man. He isn't underage. He is intelligent and is actually listening to people about going to the doctor for screening before going forward with a plan to gain weight. Sheesh.
I disagree with this. He has made numerous excuses as to why he is not going to the doctor. His posts also throw up major red flags as someone who has may have an eating disorder.
I have to disagree. It sounds like he's lucky he finally got an appointment with his regular physician at all. There are multiple posts from people in the UK explaining how the system works over there.5 -
not_my_first_rodeo wrote: »Seriously. This OP is a full grown man. He isn't underage. He is intelligent and is actually listening to people about going to the doctor for screening before going forward with a plan to gain weight. Sheesh.
I disagree with this. He has made numerous excuses as to why he is not going to the doctor. His posts also throw up major red flags as someone who has may have an eating disorder.
I have to disagree. It sounds like he's lucky he finally got an appointment with his regular physician at all. There are multiple posts from people in the UK explaining how the system works over there.
Nope, OP explained he had to call as soon as the office opened at 8:30, I think we all got that part. The point was that OP then proceeded to not bother ringing at 8:30, but slacked off and rang at 9, at which point all the appointments were gone. Then OP's excuse was that he couldn't get an appointment. It took him considerable time to put any effort into getting an appointment at all.7 -
Ok, op is on with the dr now so let's focus on the future not the past!
If op were female with a bmi below 18 he would be urged to eat more immediately and see a counsellor/therapist if unable to do so. I think we can all agree to that!
As far as I'm aware the OP's bmi level as stated meets UK guidelines for involuntary hospitalization.
While the first physician who saw the OP sounded a bit like a **kitten**, the OP's original family doctor also saw the OP.
This makes 2 full medical doctors who have examined the OP and have signed off to the level of care they are providing
Would I be happy hearing the OP say that he is eating at a surplus and gaining weight? You bet ya! My opinion is: eat as much as you can till you hit BMI 20. Then we talk about gym and all that stuff.
By the same token, 2 professionals with access to ancillary services have directly examined the OP and have not referred him to these services....6 -
Ok, op is on with the dr now so let's focus on the future not the past!
If op were female with a bmi below 18 he would be urged to eat more immediately and see a counsellor/therapist if unable to do so. I think we can all agree to that!
As far as I'm aware the OP's bmi level as stated meets UK guidelines for involuntary hospitalization.
While the first physician who saw the OP sounded a bit like a **kitten**, the OP's original family doctor also saw the OP.
This makes 2 full medical doctors who have examined the OP and have signed off to the level of care they are providing
Would I be happy hearing the OP say that he is eating at a surplus and gaining weight? You bet ya! My opinion is: eat as much as you can till you hit BMI 20. Then we talk about gym and all that stuff.
By the same token, 2 professionals with access to ancillary services have directly examined the OP and have not referred him to these services....
Unfortunately accessing these kinds of support and therapy services is not always easy in the UK and can very much depend on the area you live in. I had a major life threatening medical issue, as in facing own mortality type, leaving my kids to grow up motherless type scare. I live in a major conurbation and not out in the country like OP does, from my doctor referral to emergency counselling support to actually getting a triage phone call from the service took 3 months and I said "no it's fine' and they said "ok then, bye' and there was zero follow up nor did they know I'd been paying privately to see a counsellor for months.
Anyway there's a lot of good support on this thread ...let's focus on that
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Alatariel75 wrote: »I wonder if the OP would be getting the flippant "you can eat loads! enjoy it!" and "don't gain fat, gain muscle!" if they were female and at a BMI of 14.5.
I'm going to say no, theynlikely wouldnt. Theuwnould likely be encouraged to see a therapist.
Holy typos batsman- how did I not notice that earlier when reread Prior to posting??not_my_first_rodeo wrote: »Seriously. This OP is a full grown man. He isn't underage. He is intelligent and is actually listening to people about going to the doctor for screening before going forward with a plan to gain weight. Sheesh.
I disagree with this. He has made numerous excuses as to why he is not going to the doctor. His posts also throw up major red flags as someone who has may have an eating disorder.
I have to disagree. It sounds like he's lucky he finally got an appointment with his regular physician at all. There are multiple posts from people in the UK explaining how the system works over there.
Doctor appointment or not, there are still huge red flags of a potential eating disorder. He also said that the doctor thought his weight was fine, in which case the doctor should have his license revoked (which to me says the doctor never said that). He also hasn't put in much effort to get an appointment (didn't call until much later).Ok, op is on with the dr now so let's focus on the future not the past!
If op were female with a bmi below 18 he would be urged to eat more immediately and see a counsellor/therapist if unable to do so. I think we can all agree to that!
As far as I'm aware the OP's bmi level as stated meets UK guidelines for involuntary hospitalization.
While the first physician who saw the OP sounded a bit like a **kitten**, the OP's original family doctor also saw the OP.
This makes 2 full medical doctors who have examined the OP and have signed off to the level of care they are providing
Would I be happy hearing the OP say that he is eating at a surplus and gaining weight? You bet ya! My opinion is: eat as much as you can till you hit BMI 20. Then we talk about gym and all that stuff.
By the same token, 2 professionals with access to ancillary services have directly examined the OP and have not referred him to these services....
Which is why his claim that the doctor said he was fine even more unbelievable.
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Seriously. This OP is a full grown man. He isn't underage. He is intelligent and is actually listening to people about going to the doctor for screening before going forward with a plan to gain weight. Sheesh.
Go back to page four...there is a picture of him posted. IMO...he doesn't look like a grown man. Not being underage does not make him mature enough to handle all that is being thrown at him. Someone being intelligent has nothing to do with how he responds to "life".
My concern is people throwing out all of these..."it could be this" type responses. Look a couple of posts below the picture that he posted...someone is telling him that it could be cancer.
IMO...telling a young man that is barely out of his teens that already has an obvious eating problem that he might have all of these other things wrong with him is doing him a disservice at this point. I also think that all we should be telling him is nutritional information and encouraging him to eat more and to continue to see a doctor.
He stated at the beginning of this thread that he has a strained relationship with his parents despite still living at home. I have to assume because of that he isn't receiving the support of the adults in his life.14 -
RogueDeer5 wrote: »I am trying to eat more but I think I might have a slight lactose intolerance as I eat cereal for breakfast and when I'm at work I feel a bit bloated and gassy. Im trying to get myself into a routine of eating and gym as the two lend to each other I'm just finding really hard to get to that point
Could it be the gluten? A celiac often ends up malnourished and overly thin because their intestinal wall is damaged and they can not absorb nutrients well. It also causes lactose intolerance in most too.
Just an idea. Good luck.
Sorry to quote myself but I thought I'd add the celiac tests, in case you are interested.
To be tested for CD you must be eating gluten (1-2 slices of bread per day or equivalent) in the 8-12 weeks prior to testing. Get as many tests done as possible because these tests can miss a quarter of all celiacs. The more tests done, the more likely it is to be an accurate result.
Ask for:- tissue transglutaminase IgA and IgG (tTG IgA, tTG IgG) - most common test, and often the only test run (tTG IgA)
- deaminated gliadin peptides Iga and IgG (DGP IgA, DGP IgG) _newer tests
- endomysial antibodies (EMA IgA) - tends to detect more advanced disease
- Immunoglobulin A (IgA) - a control test. 20% of celiacs are deficient in IgA and that will affect their test results
- antigliadin antibodies IgA and IgG (AGA IgA, AGA IgG) - older and less reliable tests that were mostly replaced by the DGP tests
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Alatariel75 wrote: »I wonder if the OP would be getting the flippant "you can eat loads! enjoy it!" and "don't gain fat, gain muscle!" if they were female and at a BMI of 14.5.
I'm going to say no, theynlikely wouldnt. Theuwnould likely be encouraged to see a therapist.
Holy typos batsman- how did I not notice that earlier when reread Prior to posting??not_my_first_rodeo wrote: »Seriously. This OP is a full grown man. He isn't underage. He is intelligent and is actually listening to people about going to the doctor for screening before going forward with a plan to gain weight. Sheesh.
I disagree with this. He has made numerous excuses as to why he is not going to the doctor. His posts also throw up major red flags as someone who has may have an eating disorder.
I have to disagree. It sounds like he's lucky he finally got an appointment with his regular physician at all. There are multiple posts from people in the UK explaining how the system works over there.
Doctor appointment or not, there are still huge red flags of a potential eating disorder. He also said that the doctor thought his weight was fine, in which case the doctor should have his license revoked (which to me says the doctor never said that). He also hasn't put in much effort to get an appointment (didn't call until much later).Ok, op is on with the dr now so let's focus on the future not the past!
If op were female with a bmi below 18 he would be urged to eat more immediately and see a counsellor/therapist if unable to do so. I think we can all agree to that!
As far as I'm aware the OP's bmi level as stated meets UK guidelines for involuntary hospitalization.
While the first physician who saw the OP sounded a bit like a **kitten**, the OP's original family doctor also saw the OP.
This makes 2 full medical doctors who have examined the OP and have signed off to the level of care they are providing
Would I be happy hearing the OP say that he is eating at a surplus and gaining weight? You bet ya! My opinion is: eat as much as you can till you hit BMI 20. Then we talk about gym and all that stuff.
By the same token, 2 professionals with access to ancillary services have directly examined the OP and have not referred him to these services....
Which is why his claim that the doctor said he was fine even more unbelievable.
That's not exactly what the doctor said - if the doctor thought everything was just fine he wouldnt of ordered tests - blood tests, x rays etc - and want to be following up with OP about it.
fairly clear to me that Dr was trying to be reassuring with that comment and not stress out Op - but at the same time do a thorough investigation.
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I hope that there are no medical reasons for the quick weight loss and OP is able to eat enough to start gaining very soon.
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RogueDeer5 wrote: »No I don't have any medical issues (that I know of) and I haven't deliberately gotten this low I feel like I eat a decent amount
Were you underweight previously or is this a brand new development?1 -
RogueDeer5 wrote: »No I don't have any medical issues (that I know of) and I haven't deliberately gotten this low I feel like I eat a decent amount
Were you underweight previously or is this a brand new development?
It's on page 1:RogueDeer5 wrote: »drivennightrunner87 wrote: »hey rogue, 14.5 is very dangerous and God forbid, you can end up hospitalized... have you always been underweight or is this loss over a time from a higher weight
I have always been pretty skinny I dunno if I would say underweight I've dropped from about 9st10 (I think it was) in about 2 monthsRogueDeer5 wrote: »I'm 20yo male and I weigh 7st12 and I'm 6ft1 by the bmi calculator I'm 14.5 is this too low and if so how bad is it?
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Just got a letter through the Dr that put me in for an x ray (third Dr I've seen I tried to see my family gp but he's very hard to get an appointment with) has booked me for ultra sound tests which isn't until 16 January. And the blood test were all clear including liver kidney and gluten test (there the only ones I can remember but they were all normal)7
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I'm really pleased that your tests results have so far been good, and that your doc is getting more tests done. Thanks for keeping us updated! Do you think you could eat some more calorie-dense foods whilst you're waiting for tests and results?5
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CurlyCockney wrote: »I'm really pleased that your tests results have so far been good, and that your doc is getting more tests done. Thanks for keeping us updated! Do you think you could eat some more calorie-dense foods whilst you're waiting for tests and results?
I have been eating peanut butter sandwiches after work every day which I wasn't doing before21 -
RogueDeer5 wrote: »CurlyCockney wrote: »I'm really pleased that your tests results have so far been good, and that your doc is getting more tests done. Thanks for keeping us updated! Do you think you could eat some more calorie-dense foods whilst you're waiting for tests and results?
I have been eating peanut butter sandwiches after work every day which I wasn't doing before
That's awesome! Keep it up!3 -
Do you like shakes? You could try incorporating some of the high calorie nutritional drinks that they give people when they can't eat.0
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RogueDeer5 wrote: »CurlyCockney wrote: »I'm really pleased that your tests results have so far been good, and that your doc is getting more tests done. Thanks for keeping us updated! Do you think you could eat some more calorie-dense foods whilst you're waiting for tests and results?
I have been eating peanut butter sandwiches after work every day which I wasn't doing before
Nice one! Well done :-)
Edit: That looks waaaay more patronising than I intended, sorry! I'm genuinely pleased for you though :-)
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Hey Rogue, well done on the evening snack mate!
Next challenge: add a peanut butter sandwich to your lunch break at work too
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snacks are good. If you would like to ring the changes you can also get cashew butter and hazel nut butter too. Loose nuts are my downfall.0
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Alatariel75 wrote: »I wonder if the OP would be getting the flippant "you can eat loads! enjoy it!" and "don't gain fat, gain muscle!" if they were female and at a BMI of 14.5.
The OP is going to want to gain muscle at the same time along with fat as he indicated an interest in bodybuilding. He should enjoy eating more because his TDEE is likely much higher than he realizes and is losing weight because he isn't eating enough to support his activity level.
Actually, in addition to eating more quality foods more often, he should up protein and fats (as physician recommended) along with healthy carbs plus veggies for balance. Unfortunately, he is burning more than he eats. Eating better foods more frequently should be the goal, IMO.
I understand his home support isn't the greatest. It would be great if the mom would get on board to help out. He will need to eat more to turn things around and start gaining weight in a healthy way.
There is a MFP "gaining weight" board so OP can get help if he happens to be a hardgainer which may or may not be the case . He is seeking outside help and getting screened by medical professionals and is on the right track to determine if there are any underlying medical issues.
We don't know if OP has an eating disorder (which many are implying), but it isn't fair for people to automatically assume that. If one has difficulty gaining weight others who gain weight easily might not understand how difficult it is. There isn't any desire to be flippant or minimize the situation. If it came across that way to OP, then I would be the first to apologize.
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