No sugars and no carbs
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Just make sure to balance the food you can eat with your calorie goal. A couple of steaks, veggies, and butter can put most people over their calorie limit for the day. Then you stand on the scale wondering what happened. Unless you are highly diabetic...sounds like you may want to get a second opinion. Good luck on your journey!
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I started eating a ketogenic diet a couple of weeks ago. I've tried the MFP way of eating all the things within moderation and I always ended up feeling like I was starving; I got cranky, moody, depressed and I couldn't keep going for more than a few weeks, hell last time my husband asked me to stop because I was in tears most evenings and started to be afraid to eat anything at all. (Only my own experience, but it was the reason why I could never stick with it) On the ketogenic diet, I need to eat less often, I eat all the fats I want, moderate protein and I eat until I'm satisfied. And I am not hungry! Not once in the past two weeks have I even come close to going over my calories, despite eating that much fatty foods. I was raised to love butter and thankfully never believed it was bad for me. But it wasn't butter that made me gain all this weight. It was candy, pastry and snacks... (yay, sugar)
I am down 15 lbs (but a lot of it is water weight, because glycogen is no longer storing massive amounts of water in my body)
I do not disagree that you can and will lose weight if you simply eat at a calorie deficit, even if you include sugar. But for some of us, the ketogenic diet helps with decreasing cravings, it can help regulate blood sugar in order to decrease those energy ups and downs during the day and it can help us feel full and stay satisfied for longer.6 -
Sugar didn't make you gain weight...EXCESS CALORIES DID!
Well yeah, obviously! Overeating sugar
Bash fat all you want, but I can tell you that I have never sat with a tub of butter, unable to put the utensil down because I just HAD to have another bite. Substitute butter with ice cream however, and you'll see where my weight problems come from.
If you re-read my post, I had nothing bad to say about restricting all calories and keeping sugar in your diet. It is (not-so-simple) physics of energy in, energy out (not-so-simple due to the variables that can change the rate (metabolism) of the individual's energy expenditure, but simple due to the easy to understand concept of what goes in, must come out) This was just my viewpoint on a type of diet that a lot of people seem misinformed about. I don't think many people just jump on the ketogenic diet without doing some research first. And the research predominantly states that it's hella good for my purposes.
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That is called L diet. Careful, it cannot be done for long periods as it damages your system!! Wake up people!!! A little carb makes your body organs function properly.2
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Yup. It looks like we are in complete agreement, mr/mrs/ms LifeLongFoodLvr
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stephanieluvspb wrote: »Bacon, always go with bacon
I have yet to find a sugar free bacon, maybe I'm not looking in the right place?1 -
Sandtigress wrote: »Sugar didn't make you gain weight...EXCESS CALORIES DID!
Well yeah, obviously! Overeating sugar Bash fat all you want, but I can tell you that I have never sat with a tub of butter, unable to put the utensil down because I just HAD to have another bite. Substitute butter with ice cream however, and you'll see where my weight problems come from.
If you re-read my post, I had nothing bad to say about restricting all calories and keeping sugar in your diet. It is (not-so-simple) physics of energy in, energy out (not-so-simple due to the variables that can change the rate (metabolism) of the individual's energy expenditure, but simple due to the easy to understand concept of what goes in, must come out) This was just my viewpoint on a type of diet that a lot of people seem misinformed about. I don't think many people just jump on the ketogenic diet without doing some research first. And the research predominantly states that it's hella good for my purposes.
Check the nutrition info on the ice cream and you'll see it likely has as much fat as sugar.
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microwoman999 wrote: »So far I have gotten good help. Thank you for the website to look at for a ketogenic diet. Also the suggestion to go to the low carber daily group. As I mistakenly put no carbs and I have realized it was a low carb no sugar diet. I am new to this diet and I see not many people understand why I'm on this restrictive diet. I am not on it for medical reasons. My doctor put me on it to loose weight. He explained that women mostly gain weight in the belly and hip area eating carbs and sugar and that this diet would help get rid of that area. I said I would try this diet. I'm only a couple of weeks in and instead of giving up I asked for help on ideas for eating and hoping to find others on a diet similar to this to get extra support. I have lost weight so I don't see the point on giving up on it yet. I'm not eating 100% for this diet yet but I am trying to transition into it and learn new ways to plan meals and snacks to be within this diet. Again thank you to those who have been helpful. I really needed the advice.
There is nothing wrong with following a ketogenic diet as long as your are implementing it correctly. I would recommend that you track your calories/carbs/sodium to ensure you are. Keto diets need more sodium (3000-5000mg+) to ensure electrolyte balance. It's also possible, depending how many carbs you eat and what type of carbs you eat, that you might need magnesium/potassium supplementation (if you notice cramping, this can be an indicated). If you feel full often and can sustain a LCHF diet, then you will continue to see weight loss and improvements in metabolic markers. A large part of your weight loss upfront is going to be glycogen, modifications to waste, adjustments to sodium and some fat. It's very common to lose a lot of weight when you just start dieting (especially initially). After the first few weeks, it will start to level out and be at the standard 1-2 lbs per week rate.
Your doctor is wrong though that carbs cause fat gain and that it goes to the hips/belly. Genetics determine where fat is stored and where fat is lost first and calories and overall energy balance is what determines if you gain, lose, or maintain. If you want to see examples of this, come over to the gaining weight/body building section. Many of us are cutting on ridiculous amounts of carbs.6 -
Rebecca0224 wrote: »If you eat all the beef and pork you want I would think you would gain weight and your cholesterol would increase. You should talk to a dietician for dietary advice of this nature. MDs don't specialize in diets and it sounds like this doctor is giving general guidelines but if you eat the way you describe you can easily gain weight and have other health issues. If you eat to much of anything you will have negative side effects. There is nothing wrong with low carb if it's done correctly. Good luck
As a rule, carnivorous diets do not tend to lead to weight gain and high cholesterol. In most cases it is the opposite.
Of course if you eat too much food you will gain weight regardless.
I am not sure I would suggest that is a rule. I think it's a bit skewed since the people you are following that do it, are also into fitness.
Its like saying as a rule, plant-based are healthier people. But it's also correlated to the fact the many are paying attention to nutrition more and exercising more.4 -
Have you heard of the Trim Healthy Mama eating plan? Research this! It is amazing!
You eat healthy fats, healthy carbs, but you eat them separately. Also use stevia in place of sugar. I have lost 40# on it so far, and have 30# left to go. Check it out! It really works!! My husband is a diabetic and he has lost weight as well, and his blood sugars have levelled out, and we both have more energy and feel great!
The first fat to you lose is belly fat!! Once you change how you eat with this plan, you lose the "wheat" belly. Check it out!-5 -
Sandtigress wrote: »Sugar didn't make you gain weight...EXCESS CALORIES DID!
Well yeah, obviously! Overeating sugar Bash fat all you want, but I can tell you that I have never sat with a tub of butter, unable to put the utensil down because I just HAD to have another bite. Substitute butter with ice cream however, and you'll see where my weight problems come from.
If you re-read my post, I had nothing bad to say about restricting all calories and keeping sugar in your diet. It is (not-so-simple) physics of energy in, energy out (not-so-simple due to the variables that can change the rate (metabolism) of the individual's energy expenditure, but simple due to the easy to understand concept of what goes in, must come out) This was just my viewpoint on a type of diet that a lot of people seem misinformed about. I don't think many people just jump on the ketogenic diet without doing some research first. And the research predominantly states that it's hella good for my purposes.
I used to eat blocks of cheese. Hell, I still could. I LOVE LOVE LOVE me some good cheese.3 -
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Sandtigress wrote: »Sugar didn't make you gain weight...EXCESS CALORIES DID!
Well yeah, obviously! Overeating sugar Bash fat all you want, but I can tell you that I have never sat with a tub of butter, unable to put the utensil down because I just HAD to have another bite. Substitute butter with ice cream however, and you'll see where my weight problems come from.
If you re-read my post, I had nothing bad to say about restricting all calories and keeping sugar in your diet. It is (not-so-simple) physics of energy in, energy out (not-so-simple due to the variables that can change the rate (metabolism) of the individual's energy expenditure, but simple due to the easy to understand concept of what goes in, must come out) This was just my viewpoint on a type of diet that a lot of people seem misinformed about. I don't think many people just jump on the ketogenic diet without doing some research first. And the research predominantly states that it's hella good for my purposes.
But you've sat down with a bag of sugar and a spoon and eaten the whole thing?7 -
Wow some more info! Thank you. I know a lot of people want to say it's crazy and I thought so to in the beginning. I am not happy about no diet pop or crystal light but I promise you I have diet cream soda in my fridge 1 can a week is what I am allowing myself. If I can go longer I will and it's better than a can everyday.
Psulemon- leg cramps! I've noticed this the last couple of days and I truely thank you for that idea. I will seriously look into that weather it's a supplement or something more I eat to add to that.
Marm1962- no I have not found sugar free bacon and I questioned my doctor about the bacon because he said no fried food and I also know it's fat is high. He said not to worry about the sugar because it's a natural sugar. So I try to allow little things. If it's really small in sugar from something natural I let it go as well with the carbs. If it's natural and not out of a box I let it go. As long as it's not high in carbs I do try to keep it low. Otherwise I would go crazy trying to figure out what I could eat.
Jackie1002- I will look up trim healthy mama eating plan. I'm always looking for something to read. Maybe it will have great tips to help me.
As any diet you have to plan and do what you can handle. It's always going to be a change. Last time I went on a diet I did the mfp way by calorie deficit. It worked well and I don't disagree with the deficit. I'm not over here eating pounds of bacon and expecting to loose weight. I take a package of bacon, cut it in half and cook then have 2 eggs for breakfast. Lunch could be a chicken salad made from home. Last nights dinner was taco salad made from home. I'm really looking for ideas on snacks and other recipes because I know I will get bored with what I know how to make. Someone suggested a piece of ham, light mayo, pickle and wrap it up and snack. Sounds good to me. So I do appreciate the help. I understand people don't like the diet choice I'm on. That's ok but please don't message me that my doctor is stupid and so am I. If you do that is just rude. Thanks again for the help even discussing the cramps helps for ideas. If I need to supplement then I need to look into it. All things I did not know2 -
microwoman999 wrote: »Wow some more info! Thank you. I know a lot of people want to say it's crazy and I thought so to in the beginning. I am not happy about no diet pop or crystal light but I promise you I have diet cream soda in my fridge 1 can a week is what I am allowing myself. If I can go longer I will and it's better than a can everyday.
Psulemon- leg cramps! I've noticed this the last couple of days and I truely thank you for that idea. I will seriously look into that weather it's a supplement or something more I eat to add to that.
Marm1962- no I have not found sugar free bacon and I questioned my doctor about the bacon because he said no fried food and I also know it's fat is high. He said not to worry about the sugar because it's a natural sugar. So I try to allow little things. If it's really small in sugar from something natural I let it go as well with the carbs. If it's natural and not out of a box I let it go. As long as it's not high in carbs I do try to keep it low. Otherwise I would go crazy trying to figure out what I could eat.
Jackie1002- I will look up trim healthy mama eating plan. I'm always looking for something to read. Maybe it will have great tips to help me.
As any diet you have to plan and do what you can handle. It's always going to be a change. Last time I went on a diet I did the mfp way by calorie deficit. It worked well and I don't disagree with the deficit. I'm not over here eating pounds of bacon and expecting to loose weight. I take a package of bacon, cut it in half and cook then have 2 eggs for breakfast. Lunch could be a chicken salad made from home. Last nights dinner was taco salad made from home. I'm really looking for ideas on snacks and other recipes because I know I will get bored with what I know how to make. Someone suggested a piece of ham, light mayo, pickle and wrap it up and snack. Sounds good to me. So I do appreciate the help. I understand people don't like the diet choice I'm on. That's ok but please don't message me that my doctor is stupid and so am I. If you do that is just rude. Thanks again for the help even discussing the cramps helps for ideas. If I need to supplement then I need to look into it. All things I did not know
Are you tracking calories? If so, are you also tracking sodium? You can increase salt intake first, to see if that improves the leg cramping; you can also eat a lot of dark leafy greens. If those don't work, then you might need supplementation.
Also, there is nothing wrong with diet soda. It will have no impact on your weight loss or health. In fact, if you enjoy it, you can keep it in your diet as it can help improve dietary compliance.
Also, I would like to add, if you are doing low carb, you want high fat and moderate protein (~.6-.8g per lb of weight - lower end is fine if you are overweight/obese and will want more as you approach a leaner state).
Also, if people are sending you private messages, please let us know. The admin's can address that nonsense.3 -
jeanieneni wrote: »Hi Microwoman, You are now on a ketogenic diet. Congratulations! Have a look at diet doctor.com for guidance and amazing recipes. Care MUST be taken on a low-carb diet to eat sufficient fats (for energy), and sufficient sodium (salt). Very low carb levels mean we flush a lot of excess fluids out of our system, thereby losing sodium. With insufficient sodium in the blood, we die. It's THAT important. Once you get a handle on this, you will love it. It's DELICIOUS. You CAN eat cream and butter, and olive oil. Yoghurt and cheese are fine, since the cultures used in making these products have already dealt with any carbs, leaving none for you! And BTW, above-ground vegetables have little carbs, and should be okay for you to eat.
I wish you well, but DO THE RESEARCH for your health's sake. Jeanieneni
Ketogentic diets incorporate vegetables, most of the time.
Above ground vegetables ARE carbs. They just have fewer than below ground vegetables. Vegetables are awesome.
Dietdoctor.com recommends lots of them.
Ketogenic diets don't flush toxins.
But yes, do your research if you decide to do a ketogenic diet. Like, for example, the ones Dr. whats his name on the diet doctor site, recommends. No where does he recommend "no carbs".
OP: if you decide to follow a low carb or ketogenic diet, do your research. I would NOT recommend going from a standard American diet to "zero carb" with no transition, if ever. The dietdoctor website is a good place to learn. Note his "side effects" section.2 -
Jackie1002 wrote: »Have you heard of the Trim Healthy Mama eating plan? Research this! It is amazing!
You eat healthy fats, healthy carbs, but you eat them separately. Also use stevia in place of sugar. I have lost 40# on it so far, and have 30# left to go. Check it out! It really works!! My husband is a diabetic and he has lost weight as well, and his blood sugars have levelled out, and we both have more energy and feel great!
The first fat to you lose is belly fat!! Once you change how you eat with this plan, you lose the "wheat" belly. Check it out!
Congrats on your loss so far! The success gou are seeing comes from creating a calorie deficit though, not a special combination of foods, meal timing, and not eating certain foods together. It's a lot of arbitrary and unnecessary restrictions but if it's working for you and you enjoy it, good luck.6 -
I have not been tracking calories yet or sodium. Mostly trying to change my style slowly but for the most part I'm doing ok with the transition. I will start tracking what I eat so I can gauge it better. I remember when I was on my last diet I craved salt a lot. So I better watch that if that is what can cause leg cramps. No one likes cramps! There is one person in particular that has messaged me twice and I know they are trolling on here so they will see this message. Nothing nasty just rude. If I could block them it would make me feel better.0
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Sandtigress wrote: »Sugar didn't make you gain weight...EXCESS CALORIES DID!
Well yeah, obviously! Overeating sugar Bash fat all you want, but I can tell you that I have never sat with a tub of butter, unable to put the utensil down because I just HAD to have another bite. Substitute butter with ice cream however, and you'll see where my weight problems come from.
If you re-read my post, I had nothing bad to say about restricting all calories and keeping sugar in your diet. It is (not-so-simple) physics of energy in, energy out (not-so-simple due to the variables that can change the rate (metabolism) of the individual's energy expenditure, but simple due to the easy to understand concept of what goes in, must come out) This was just my viewpoint on a type of diet that a lot of people seem misinformed about. I don't think many people just jump on the ketogenic diet without doing some research first. And the research predominantly states that it's hella good for my purposes.
Research like this?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25007189
CONCLUSION: Trials show weight loss in the short-term irrespective of whether the diet is low CHO or balanced. There is probably little or no difference in weight loss and changes in cardiovascular risk factors up to two years of follow-up when overweight and obese adults, with or without type 2 diabetes, are randomised to low CHO diets and isoenergetic balanced weight loss diets.4 -
stevencloser wrote: »Sandtigress wrote: »Sugar didn't make you gain weight...EXCESS CALORIES DID!
Well yeah, obviously! Overeating sugar Bash fat all you want, but I can tell you that I have never sat with a tub of butter, unable to put the utensil down because I just HAD to have another bite. Substitute butter with ice cream however, and you'll see where my weight problems come from.
If you re-read my post, I had nothing bad to say about restricting all calories and keeping sugar in your diet. It is (not-so-simple) physics of energy in, energy out (not-so-simple due to the variables that can change the rate (metabolism) of the individual's energy expenditure, but simple due to the easy to understand concept of what goes in, must come out) This was just my viewpoint on a type of diet that a lot of people seem misinformed about. I don't think many people just jump on the ketogenic diet without doing some research first. And the research predominantly states that it's hella good for my purposes.
Check the nutrition info on the ice cream and you'll see it likely has as much fat as sugar.
No one ever seems to realize that, or admit it once it is pointed out that it might not be straight sugar that is the demon, do they?10 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »jeanieneni wrote: »Hi Microwoman, You are now on a ketogenic diet. Congratulations! Have a look at diet doctor.com for guidance and amazing recipes. Care MUST be taken on a low-carb diet to eat sufficient fats (for energy), and sufficient sodium (salt). Very low carb levels mean we flush a lot of excess fluids out of our system, thereby losing sodium. With insufficient sodium in the blood, we die. It's THAT important. Once you get a handle on this, you will love it. It's DELICIOUS. You CAN eat cream and butter, and olive oil. Yoghurt and cheese are fine, since the cultures used in making these products have already dealt with any carbs, leaving none for you! And BTW, above-ground vegetables have little carbs, and should be okay for you to eat.
I wish you well, but DO THE RESEARCH for your health's sake. Jeanieneni
Ketogentic diets incorporate vegetables, most of the time.
Above ground vegetables ARE carbs. They just have fewer than below ground vegetables. Vegetables are awesome.
Dietdoctor.com recommends lots of them.
Ketogenic diets don't flush toxins.
But yes, do your research if you decide to do a ketogenic diet. Like, for example, the ones Dr. whats his name on the diet doctor site, recommends. No where does he recommend "no carbs".
OP: if you decide to follow a low carb or ketogenic diet, do your research. I would NOT recommend going from a standard American diet to "zero carb" with no transition, if ever. The dietdoctor website is a good place to learn. Note his "side effects" section.
This. OP - I lost most all my weight on a liberal keto diet. I loved it. As a matter of fact, the primary reason I began to veer away from it was hunger. This seems to be very much a "Your Mileage May Vary" issue, but I was always ravenous within an hour of eating a huge meal.
#1 I did track calories and found a restriction easier to manage going low carb.
#2 Do that research on side effects!
#3 I lost my weight on lchf, but seem to need carbs to manage hunger. Why? Don't know.
#4 Research your recipes, plan and shop ahead of time. Last minute didn't work well with me.
Enjoy your journey, and best of luck with it.
Oh - I'm siding with the others regarding your doctors advice. My current doc is pretty excellent, but I went through some bad ones to get to him. Getting a registered dieticians advice may well be worth the time and money for you.3 -
Hi Microwoman, This is very similar to the Bernstein diet. As I recall we weren't even allowed to use face cream because of the fat absorbed by the skin. There are a few cookbooks out there for the Atkins program that might help you. Since your Dr. said no fried food or dairy you will have to adjust for that. There was also a cookbook put out that was absolutely amazing called the low carb gourmet by Karen Barnaby. If you can find that book (it is out of print) it has wonderful ideas and recipes in it. I see some used copies on Amazon. I will warn you though that most low carb diets encourage high fat for satisfaction so the low carb cookbooks tend to be high in fat including the one I recommended.
If you are doing Bernstein be careful. My hair started falling out around 45 pounds gone. That was the kiss of death for me. Several people where I work went on the diet and EVERYONE gained the weight back plus more.
I wish you luck but will say I have lost around 73 pounds just by eating sensibly and walking. I tried all the diets, Bernstein, Atkins, Weight Watchers, HCG, etc. I even had a lapband. My doc supported low carb too but I just couldn't stay with it. I got so I felt like I would sell my soul for a potato, lol. None of those programs worked for me, I would lose 20 to 45 pounds then gain them back plus more. I'm 60 years old and have been dieting my entire life. I finally got fed up and decided to try something that I felt I could live with for the rest of my life and voila, finally the weight came off. Do your own path, if low carb works and you feel you can eat that way the rest of your life then go for it.
The best way to lose weight and maintain is to find something you can live with permanently. Your body slowly changes and your tastes change so you no longer crave the stuff that was killing you. I understand the desire to lose quickly but it never lasts. I truly wish you luck and please understand that this community really cares about the health of everyone on here. No one discourages you to try to hurt you but out of real concern for your safety.9 -
microwoman999 wrote: »I have not been tracking calories yet or sodium. Mostly trying to change my style slowly but for the most part I'm doing ok with the transition. I will start tracking what I eat so I can gauge it better. I remember when I was on my last diet I craved salt a lot. So I better watch that if that is what can cause leg cramps. No one likes cramps! There is one person in particular that has messaged me twice and I know they are trolling on here so they will see this message. Nothing nasty just rude. If I could block them it would make me feel better.
I would definitely start tracking calories, macros and sodium. This way if you have questions we can actually provide a better response.3 -
Hi, OP. I didn't say anything because keto can work and who knows if you will like it, and if you are asking your doctor how to lose or the doctor is giving you an extreme diet it's entirely possible you've had compliance problems in the past or want something really simple/simplistic or your doctor thinks you need that. No harm in trying it and it could end up being perfect for you. (Wouldn't be my first recommendation of how to lose, but I don't know your history.)
However:microwoman999 wrote: »Wow some more info! Thank you. I know a lot of people want to say it's crazy and I thought so to in the beginning. I am not happy about no diet pop or crystal light but I promise you I have diet cream soda in my fridge 1 can a week is what I am allowing myself. If I can go longer I will and it's better than a can everyday.
My guess is this is about changing your tastes plus the doctor perhaps being influenced by the notion that for some people drinking artificially sweetened things encourages them to crave sweets. IME this happens with some people not others, so experimentation is better, but again your doctor knows you better than I do. I also think that doctors often assume people won't be compliant so say things like 1200 calories! assuming it will be 1800 or NO sugar assuming it will still be a lot, but not as much.Marm1962- no I have not found sugar free bacon and I questioned my doctor about the bacon because he said no fried food and I also know it's fat is high. He said not to worry about the sugar because it's a natural sugar.
This concerns me more, since there is NO natural sugar in bacon, that's nuts. It's added sugar. Either your doctor is quite ignorant about nutrition and shouldn't be advising you or, more likely, he's decided that you (as a patient) don't need to actually understand things so is giving a not really accurate black and white kind of explanation (goes along with the "white foods are bad" and "don't eat things that taste sweet" idiocy). For me this would suggest that my doctor thought I wasn't that bright and incapable of understanding the basics, so I don't think I could work with that (luckily my doctor would never do that). On the other hand, I wouldn't expect my doctor to give me a detailed diet to follow for weight loss, so eh, maybe he has determined that you don't really want explanations of the reasons.
Anyway, my guess is that the doctor thinks the little bit of sugar in bacon isn't going to matter for ketosis (if that's the issue) or isn't going to cause you to want sweets and may have decided that you overeat because of so called junk food, as in addition to being a diet based on low carb, it effectively eliminates junk food. (Doctors may cynically think that overweight patients eat poor diets filled with junk food, won't be that compliant if they are told to eat a healthy diet with more lean meat and vegetables, so come up with stuff like this -- no sugar or white foods! -- to basically force them to at least cut down.)If it's natural and not out of a box I let it go.
Not sure how this = bacon. I get bacon from a farm, so I suppose it could be, but it's still processed, you know, especially if you are saying it has a label that indicates added sugar.
But eh.
Like I said above, low carb/keto can work and you might like it and will get tips from the low carb group. I'd strongly suggest that you eat plenty of vegetables, as they are included on your diet (even though they have sugar and carbs). Just as a point of interest, and something that I would mention to your doctor if he recommended no carbs and no sugar to me, my breakfast this morning included broccoli, fennel, spaghetti squash, and kale for a total of 28 g carbs and 10 g of sugar. Added to that I had some strawberries (10 g carbs, 7 g sugar), 2 eggs (1 g carb, 1 g sugar), and some yogurt (but granted it was white) (7 g carbs, 6 g sugar).
Total of 36 g carbs and 24 g sugar (only 24 net carbs if one counts those, however).
Apparently your doctor would consider this very unhealthy and bad for weight loss? Seems odd.
Again, I am all for trying keto, especially if one has health reasons or has had issues with weight loss that it seems it might help (hunger, for example, or certain kinds of non compliance). But I am disturbed by any doctor that wouldn't explain what he was recommending, why, and how it works.5 -
have you heard of the NSNG way of eating (No Sugar No Grain) - it's not a 'low carb' diet - you basically don't eat sugars or grains (wheat, rice, pasta, flour, oats - etc). Research grains and sugar and what they do to the body. It's not the food that makes us fat, it's hormones that are disrupted by the FOODs that we eat!
Fat is NOT the enemy - healthy fats (NOT CRAPPY FATS like vegetable oil, corn oil, partially hydrogenated oils -etc) are actually good for you. Avacados, heavy whipping cream, butter, bacon, beef, chicken thighs, olives- all good for you.
NSNG is not a low carb diet, but from eating the right foods, carbs are automatically lowered. If you want more info, message me and I'll send you a link
For the person who said "This site is based on calorie reduction...with guidelines on nutritional macros (fiber, sodium, protein, etc.) to aim for...and promoting it in a SUSTAINABLE way." THAT Is a crazy diet.
calorie reduction is impossible to sustain. If it wasn't - jenny craig, weight watchers and all of those other 'calorie counting' diets would not be making money and getting repeat clients. Why? We all know, once you go back to eating all those calories, you gain the weight back.
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I've been doing keto/low carb since Halloween and it's been GREAT! Everyone who is freaking out on @microwoman999 needs to stop. A lot of people are on a similar diet, Low Carb/High Fat, and have had great success. I'm not extremely strict on the diet. If I want to eat a sandwich with real bread, ice cream, etc., I go ahead and have it. Only if I really want it. Otherwise, my sugar/carb cravings have practically disappeared. All symptoms from my bad gall bladder have disappeared. My bloodwork, taken just before Christmas, shows great improvements in cholesterol in the past year. I've also lost 15 pounds and two pant sizes! Sure, it sounds sketchy, but it is sustainable and it does work. Don't just automatically assume that a doctor is crazy for suggesting such a diet!4
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Yes they do. Why? Because people will do just about anything for weight loss. People spend more time planning a vacation then they do researching diets on the internet.Sandtigress wrote: »Sugar didn't make you gain weight...EXCESS CALORIES DID!
Well yeah, obviously! Overeating sugar Bash fat all you want, but I can tell you that I have never sat with a tub of butter, unable to put the utensil down because I just HAD to have another bite. Substitute butter with ice cream however, and you'll see where my weight problems come from.
If you re-read my post, I had nothing bad to say about restricting all calories and keeping sugar in your diet. It is (not-so-simple) physics of energy in, energy out (not-so-simple due to the variables that can change the rate (metabolism) of the individual's energy expenditure, but simple due to the easy to understand concept of what goes in, must come out) This was just my viewpoint on a type of diet that a lot of people seem misinformed about. I don't think many people just jump on the ketogenic diet without doing some research first. And the research predominantly states that it's hella good for my purposes.
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watch some videos on sugars and grains by gary taubes - you will learn a lot and change the way you eat
http://garytaubes.com/2016/12/widespread-praise-for-the-case-against-sugar/0 -
In my experience, the problem with sugar is how addictive it can become. Yes CICO is still the basic rule, but when your CI is hard to keep down because you're craving something (usually sugary), it doesn't make it easy to eat less. I've found keto to keep the hunger away.
I personally wouldn't consider it a diet for life though, but I find it useful for losing fat in a cut and have had much more success with it that a standard 40/40/20 or 33/33/33 split in macros. Again, not because of the magical foods, but because I find it easier to eat less overall calories and feel less deprived/depleted.4
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