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Just to play devil's avocado - where do legumes fit in with this and fibre? Also that important issue that hasn't really been mentioned a lot: exercise. GP's aren't known for their prowess in terms of dietary knowledge. They're called 'general practitioners' for exactly that reason. I'd be far more inclined to ask for a referral to a dietitian (not nutritionist) to really have a more in-depth look at your diet and how exactly you can make the weight loss manageable and a lifestyle change rather than to 'fix' a problem. Lifestyle change is sustainable whereas crash dieting or diet plans which are really restrictive just set you up to fail. They're not sustainable in the long term and in some cases can do more harm than good. It's all well and good saying that you can eat as much meat as you like - is this really a good thing? If we look at the global trends and statistics, the countries with the highest red meat consumption per capita also proportionately have the highest rates of colorectal cancers. In this sense, it can be a case of trading in one health complaint in lieu of another.
Protein can be found in many many plant sources. Edamame beans are particularly high in protein, and if you like tofu, that's another great source. I'm not a vegetarian but am mindful of the concept of moderation. It's far more reasonable to eliminate 'added' or refined sugars in your diet as has been mentioned. Regardless of composition, if you eat in a calorie deficit, you will lose weight. You need to work out the deficit that gives you a steady progressive weight loss that is sustainable and also enjoyable. Bear in mind exercising brings the added benefits of speeding up metabolism, improving overall health - plus you can eat back your exercise calories. I'd do a bit more reading and don't be afraid to question your GP. Good luck!2 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »microwoman999 wrote: »Thank you for some insightful tips and the website I will look at that Jeanieneni. This is the diet my doctor put me on.
The paper he gave me states
1. If it tastes sweet it has sugar examples.... orange juice, fruits , all diet sodas and crystal light. No Splenda, equal or sugar twins.
2. If food is off white or white in color it's most likely starch ( few exceptions). Example no bread, pizza, cake, pies, pastas, rice and potatoes.
Rule of thumb white or sweet you can not have it
Meat- all I want: beef, pork, poultry, seafood, rabbit as much as I want.
Veggies- you can eat all the fresh or frozen veggies excluding corn, beans, and peas. Green beans are ok
Garden salads- as much as I like. Dressing only oil and vinegar, Italian and Caesar.
Eggs- you can eat all the eggs, bacon and sausage you like
Last but not least lots of water at least half a gallon a day which is easy for me I love water.
Please don't judge what my doctor put me on. Some of you had some lovely comments. This is not an insane diet it is just what my doctor put me on. All I asked for was for help from those who were on a similar diet. Maybe I should have written the whole chart like this from the beginning. I do not have sugar issues This is what he said would help me loose the best and I just said I would try it. I'm 2 weeks in and have lost 5.4lbs without being 100% on this diet and lost an inch in the waist and an inch in the hips.
I think this sounds great! Ignore the naysayers. If you stick to this, you'll lose weight and feel great. Good luck!!
Goodness knows it's important to get those pesky lentils and fruit out of everyone's diet. They are such a scourge!
Why are you projecting false information? Nothing in her post said she couldn't eat lentils. In fact, she said she could eat beans (lumping them with vegetables).
You misread it. It said she CANNOT eat beans (assuming she might consider them vegetables, I guess, so explaining those were not okay). Yes, I'm assuming beans include lentils.I don't necessarily think you need to cut out fruit, but if you're trying to lose weight you can safely eliminate it from your diet and introduce it slowly later if you want. You can get the vitamins and nutrients you get from fruit elsewhere.
You can safely do lots of things that aren't necessarily advisable to do. My problem with the plan (which I think is rather insulting in that it gives a list of rules with no good reason for them) is not that I think it's unsafe. It's that I think it doesn't take into consideration what would be sustainable for OP, give her tools to make a diet that works with what is sustainable and her own preferences, and that a diet that seems based on the idea that carbs are (mostly) bad and unlimited meat (including sausage and bacon) isn't truly health-conscious at all. And cutting out reasonably nutritious whole foods (I'd include grains and tubers here, as well as fruit) is not a good starting plan absent the context of a decision to go low carb and a carb goal to aim at, IMO.
Cutting out legumes (one of the best, if not the best, non animal sources of protein) I think is particular irresponsible without those things.
Could one ultimately decide that a similar diet is the best one for them personally, with an understanding of the reasons and why they are making certain trade-offs? Sure, although I certainly don't think that makes it a good choice for everyone needing to lose weight.
Telling OP this is simply THE way to lose weight and will result in spot reduction and that the sugar in bacon is "natural" and that there is sugar in diet drinks isn't accurate information. (There may be reasons to say you think sugar in bacon is fine and artificial sweetener should be avoided, but giving false information always raises my hackles. I honestly don't understand why you would even consider defending it.)12 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »microwoman999 wrote: »Thank you for some insightful tips and the website I will look at that Jeanieneni. This is the diet my doctor put me on.
The paper he gave me states
1. If it tastes sweet it has sugar examples.... orange juice, fruits , all diet sodas and crystal light. No Splenda, equal or sugar twins.
2. If food is off white or white in color it's most likely starch ( few exceptions). Example no bread, pizza, cake, pies, pastas, rice and potatoes.
Rule of thumb white or sweet you can not have it
Meat- all I want: beef, pork, poultry, seafood, rabbit as much as I want.
Veggies- you can eat all the fresh or frozen veggies excluding corn, beans, and peas. Green beans are ok
Garden salads- as much as I like. Dressing only oil and vinegar, Italian and Caesar.
Eggs- you can eat all the eggs, bacon and sausage you like
Last but not least lots of water at least half a gallon a day which is easy for me I love water.
Please don't judge what my doctor put me on. Some of you had some lovely comments. This is not an insane diet it is just what my doctor put me on. All I asked for was for help from those who were on a similar diet. Maybe I should have written the whole chart like this from the beginning. I do not have sugar issues This is what he said would help me loose the best and I just said I would try it. I'm 2 weeks in and have lost 5.4lbs without being 100% on this diet and lost an inch in the waist and an inch in the hips.
I think this sounds great! Ignore the naysayers. If you stick to this, you'll lose weight and feel great. Good luck!!
Goodness knows it's important to get those pesky lentils and fruit out of everyone's diet. They are such a scourge!
Why are you projecting false information? Nothing in her post said she couldn't eat lentils. In fact, she said she could eat beans (lumping them with vegetables). I don't necessarily think you need to cut out fruit, but if you're trying to lose weight you can safely eliminate it from your diet and introduce it slowly later if you want. You can get the vitamins and nutrients you get from fruit elsewhere.
OP's "plan" specifically excludes beans:Veggies- you can eat all the fresh or frozen veggies excluding corn, beans, and peas.2 -
WinoGelato wrote: »
For the person who said "This site is based on calorie reduction...with guidelines on nutritional macros (fiber, sodium, protein, etc.) to aim for...and promoting it in a SUSTAINABLE way." THAT Is a crazy diet.
calorie reduction is impossible to sustain. If it wasn't - jenny craig, weight watchers and all of those other 'calorie counting' diets would not be making money and getting repeat clients. Why? We all know, once you go back to eating all those calories, you gain the weight back.
I just wanted to address the last two paragraphs. I'm curious how you perceive eating a balanced diet with a variety of foods in a calorie deficit and the recommendation to eat in a way that is sustainable as a crazy diet? Yet cutting out entire food groups to help achieve that calorie deficit is not?
Also, to the final paragraph: A calorie deficit is not something that is meant to be sustained forever. What is advocated for on this site is to eat at an appropriate calorie deficit based on your goals (how much to lose and a reasonable rate of loss). As a user gets closer to goal, the deficit is reduced and weight loss is slowed to 0.5 lb/week in order to help ease the transition into maintenance at an appropriate calorie level for the new weight.
Of course if you go back to eating the same number of calories as before, i.e. an energy surplus, you would gain the weight back. That also goes for people who cut out foods in order to lose weight, if they go back to eating the same as before in a calorie surplus, they too would gain the weight back. Certainly there are a lot of people who are successful at losing but not at maintaining - but in my opinion, the more dramatic the approach during weight loss, the lower the chances for long term success. For me, something that involves the word NO anything would be extreme and less likely to be sustainable even during the weight loss process. NSNG would be something that I think is way more restrictive than what the majority of people need to undertake in order to be successful.
what 'entire food group' exactly did I cut out?1 -
PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »microwoman999 wrote: »Thank you for some insightful tips and the website I will look at that Jeanieneni. This is the diet my doctor put me on.
The paper he gave me states
1. If it tastes sweet it has sugar examples.... orange juice, fruits , all diet sodas and crystal light. No Splenda, equal or sugar twins.
2. If food is off white or white in color it's most likely starch ( few exceptions). Example no bread, pizza, cake, pies, pastas, rice and potatoes.
Rule of thumb white or sweet you can not have it
Meat- all I want: beef, pork, poultry, seafood, rabbit as much as I want.
Veggies- you can eat all the fresh or frozen veggies excluding corn, beans, and peas. Green beans are ok
Garden salads- as much as I like. Dressing only oil and vinegar, Italian and Caesar.
Eggs- you can eat all the eggs, bacon and sausage you like
Last but not least lots of water at least half a gallon a day which is easy for me I love water.
Please don't judge what my doctor put me on. Some of you had some lovely comments. This is not an insane diet it is just what my doctor put me on. All I asked for was for help from those who were on a similar diet. Maybe I should have written the whole chart like this from the beginning. I do not have sugar issues This is what he said would help me loose the best and I just said I would try it. I'm 2 weeks in and have lost 5.4lbs without being 100% on this diet and lost an inch in the waist and an inch in the hips.
I think this sounds great! Ignore the naysayers. If you stick to this, you'll lose weight and feel great. Good luck!!
Not necessarily. If she stays on it as the doctor explained the diet to her without a set calorie goal, she may or may not be successful. Only time will tell.
There has to be a reasonable amount of common sense with any new way of eating. The doctor basically suggested she cut out sweets and starchy foods. If she does this and eats reasonably the things on the list that are "okay," she'll feel great and lose weight. If it doesn't work in helping her lose weight (not every way of eating works for everyone), then no harm done and she can try something else. It's certainly not going to hurt her, like people on this thread have suggested.
I agree. I was one of them.1 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »microwoman999 wrote: »Thank you for some insightful tips and the website I will look at that Jeanieneni. This is the diet my doctor put me on.
The paper he gave me states
1. If it tastes sweet it has sugar examples.... orange juice, fruits , all diet sodas and crystal light. No Splenda, equal or sugar twins.
2. If food is off white or white in color it's most likely starch ( few exceptions). Example no bread, pizza, cake, pies, pastas, rice and potatoes.
Rule of thumb white or sweet you can not have it
Meat- all I want: beef, pork, poultry, seafood, rabbit as much as I want.
Veggies- you can eat all the fresh or frozen veggies excluding corn, beans, and peas. Green beans are ok
Garden salads- as much as I like. Dressing only oil and vinegar, Italian and Caesar.
Eggs- you can eat all the eggs, bacon and sausage you like
Last but not least lots of water at least half a gallon a day which is easy for me I love water.
Please don't judge what my doctor put me on. Some of you had some lovely comments. This is not an insane diet it is just what my doctor put me on. All I asked for was for help from those who were on a similar diet. Maybe I should have written the whole chart like this from the beginning. I do not have sugar issues This is what he said would help me loose the best and I just said I would try it. I'm 2 weeks in and have lost 5.4lbs without being 100% on this diet and lost an inch in the waist and an inch in the hips.
I think this sounds great! Ignore the naysayers. If you stick to this, you'll lose weight and feel great. Good luck!!
Goodness knows it's important to get those pesky lentils and fruit out of everyone's diet. They are such a scourge!
Why are you projecting false information? Nothing in her post said she couldn't eat lentils. In fact, she said she could eat beans (lumping them with vegetables). I don't necessarily think you need to cut out fruit, but if you're trying to lose weight you can safely eliminate it from your diet and introduce it slowly later if you want. You can get the vitamins and nutrients you get from fruit elsewhere.
OP's "plan" specifically excludes beans:Veggies- you can eat all the fresh or frozen veggies excluding corn, beans, and peas.
My bad...I read it as including, not excluding. Yeah, I think beans are fine. I understand the reasoning behind not eating corn and peas but I don't much care for that recommendation either, unless you just don't love those veggies.1 -
I do agree if things don't work out than I switch up my plan. The ultimate goal is to get healthy and loose weight. So my doctor gave me something to work at. Right or wrong what he told me I am here to get more help as I felt a bit lost. I don't see the problem with that. That being said I joined a low carb group ( just waiting for the approval) once I'm in I'll probably learn a lot more about this diet. I still thank all of you for your help and guidance. Again I'm here to learn that's why I asked. Please continue1
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lemurcat12 wrote: »microwoman999 wrote: »Thank you for some insightful tips and the website I will look at that Jeanieneni. This is the diet my doctor put me on.
The paper he gave me states
1. If it tastes sweet it has sugar examples.... orange juice, fruits , all diet sodas and crystal light. No Splenda, equal or sugar twins.
2. If food is off white or white in color it's most likely starch ( few exceptions). Example no bread, pizza, cake, pies, pastas, rice and potatoes.
Rule of thumb white or sweet you can not have it
Meat- all I want: beef, pork, poultry, seafood, rabbit as much as I want.
Veggies- you can eat all the fresh or frozen veggies excluding corn, beans, and peas. Green beans are ok
Garden salads- as much as I like. Dressing only oil and vinegar, Italian and Caesar.
Eggs- you can eat all the eggs, bacon and sausage you like
Last but not least lots of water at least half a gallon a day which is easy for me I love water.
Please don't judge what my doctor put me on. Some of you had some lovely comments. This is not an insane diet it is just what my doctor put me on. All I asked for was for help from those who were on a similar diet. Maybe I should have written the whole chart like this from the beginning. I do not have sugar issues This is what he said would help me loose the best and I just said I would try it. I'm 2 weeks in and have lost 5.4lbs without being 100% on this diet and lost an inch in the waist and an inch in the hips.
I think this sounds great! Ignore the naysayers. If you stick to this, you'll lose weight and feel great. Good luck!!
Goodness knows it's important to get those pesky lentils and fruit out of everyone's diet. They are such a scourge!
Why are you projecting false information? Nothing in her post said she couldn't eat lentils. In fact, she said she could eat beans (lumping them with vegetables). I don't necessarily think you need to cut out fruit, but if you're trying to lose weight you can safely eliminate it from your diet and introduce it slowly later if you want. You can get the vitamins and nutrients you get from fruit elsewhere.
OP's "plan" specifically excludes beans:Veggies- you can eat all the fresh or frozen veggies excluding corn, beans, and peas.
My bad...I read it as including, not excluding. Yeah, I think beans are fine. I understand the reasoning behind not eating corn and peas but I don't much care for that recommendation either, unless you just don't love those veggies.
I think the major point it, many doctors are not educated in this field and quite often will follow the recent fad or whatever they have read recently. In fact, I would question is her doctor even understands the additional requirements necessary to successfully implement a ketogenic diet. Based on some of the information, it does not seem that they do.
Outside of that, the biggest question at hand, is how sustainable is this diet to the OP? Is there enough variety to peek her interest for an extended period of time? Does this support her goals outside of just weight loss? Does it even allow her to control calories?
Personally, I found restriction of foods I enjoy to not be beneficial. I found it caused me to binge and overeat.5 -
Firesprite93 wrote: »My dietician has put me on something similar. I'm only allowed a total of 105g of carbs a day. And they have to be consumed in small 15g increments except lunch which is 30g.
It is because I am insulin resistant, and have hypothyroidism. Making it very difficult to lose weight, even on a calorie deficitlemurcat12 wrote: »I don't actually think that's similar at all. It sounds reasonable and like you've been given direction.
Also, unlike Firesprite93, the OP does not have a medical reason to reduce carbs. @Firesprite93 - I'm glad you are working with a dietitian
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Christine_72 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »CattOfTheGarage wrote: »microwoman999 wrote: »I questioned my doctor about the bacon because he said no fried food and I also know it's fat is high.
Pigs do not contain sugar.
But the babies are so sweet!
I'm never eating bacon again! :sad:
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lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »microwoman999 wrote: »Thank you for some insightful tips and the website I will look at that Jeanieneni. This is the diet my doctor put me on.
The paper he gave me states
1. If it tastes sweet it has sugar examples.... orange juice, fruits , all diet sodas and crystal light. No Splenda, equal or sugar twins.
2. If food is off white or white in color it's most likely starch ( few exceptions). Example no bread, pizza, cake, pies, pastas, rice and potatoes.
Rule of thumb white or sweet you can not have it
Meat- all I want: beef, pork, poultry, seafood, rabbit as much as I want.
Veggies- you can eat all the fresh or frozen veggies excluding corn, beans, and peas. Green beans are ok
Garden salads- as much as I like. Dressing only oil and vinegar, Italian and Caesar.
Eggs- you can eat all the eggs, bacon and sausage you like
Last but not least lots of water at least half a gallon a day which is easy for me I love water.
Please don't judge what my doctor put me on. Some of you had some lovely comments. This is not an insane diet it is just what my doctor put me on. All I asked for was for help from those who were on a similar diet. Maybe I should have written the whole chart like this from the beginning. I do not have sugar issues This is what he said would help me loose the best and I just said I would try it. I'm 2 weeks in and have lost 5.4lbs without being 100% on this diet and lost an inch in the waist and an inch in the hips.
I think this sounds great! Ignore the naysayers. If you stick to this, you'll lose weight and feel great. Good luck!!
Goodness knows it's important to get those pesky lentils and fruit out of everyone's diet. They are such a scourge!
Why are you projecting false information? Nothing in her post said she couldn't eat lentils. In fact, she said she could eat beans (lumping them with vegetables).
You misread it. It said she CANNOT eat beans (assuming she might consider them vegetables, I guess, so explaining those were not okay). Yes, I'm assuming beans include lentils.I don't necessarily think you need to cut out fruit, but if you're trying to lose weight you can safely eliminate it from your diet and introduce it slowly later if you want. You can get the vitamins and nutrients you get from fruit elsewhere.
You can safely do lots of things that aren't necessarily advisable to do. My problem with the plan (which I think is rather insulting in that it gives a list of rules with no good reason for them) is not that I think it's unsafe. It's that I think it doesn't take into consideration what would be sustainable for OP, give her tools to make a diet that works with what is sustainable and her own preferences, and that a diet that seems based on the idea that carbs are (mostly) bad and unlimited meat (including sausage and bacon) isn't truly health-conscious at all. And cutting out reasonably nutritious whole foods (I'd include grains and tubers here, as well as fruit) is not a good starting plan absent the context of a decision to go low carb and a carb goal to aim at, IMO.
Cutting out legumes (one of the best, if not the best, non animal sources of protein) I think is particular irresponsible without those things.
Could one ultimately decide that a similar diet is the best one for them personally, with an understanding of the reasons and why they are making certain trade-offs? Sure, although I certainly don't think that makes it a good choice for everyone needing to lose weight.
Telling OP this is simply THE way to lose weight and will result in spot reduction and that the sugar in bacon is "natural" and that there is sugar in diet drinks isn't accurate information. (There may be reasons to say you think sugar in bacon is fine and artificial sweetener should be avoided, but giving false information always raises my hackles. I honestly don't understand why you would even consider defending it.)
Yes, I did read it wrong. I thought she could eat those things (corn, beans, peas).
I understand what you're saying. I don't know the particulars, but the OP went to the doctor for something. Perhaps obesity, or some other health problem where obesity is contributing factor. Her weight was a concern enough that the doctor gave her something that would help her lose weight, thus improving her health overall. He There's probably more to it than that, but that's the gist. Probably didn't say "this is THE only way." We can't judge what's sustainable for her long term, but in the short term if she sticks to his recommendations, she'll lose weight and feel better. Then maybe she wants to see someone specialized (like a registered dietitian) who can help her fine tune the rough suggestions her doctor gave her.
I just don't think it's very helpful for a bunch of us here, instead of providing what she really asked for which was some recipes or encouragement from others who were eating similarly, to jump on her and tell her that her doctor is an idiot giving her a bunch of false information and that she's better off ignoring him and listening to all of us here who know better.
I also agree with the poster above that exercise hasn't really been discussed much. I think it's way more irresponsible to not prescribe getting more exercise if you're trying to help a patient lose weight to improve health. My personal opinion is that no diet will succeed without an element of exercise and if you're losing weight to get healthy (and not just look better), exercise should be a priority.
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psuLemon wrote:Personally, I found restriction of foods I enjoy to not be beneficial. I found it caused me to binge and overeat.
^This. There's really no need to torture yourself, I know this from experience, slow and steady wins the race. Weigh and log everything, that REALLY works. I do keep an eye on carbs, but I don't go crazy low because I find my body needs them to keep me fueled. It's got to be something sustainable, not a "diet". Best of luck to you OP, you've come to the right place to start. As for your doctor, I'd find another one.3 -
OP,
Not really keto, but my two favorite recipes places are:
www.theproteinchef.co
www.mccormick.com
You can also look in the MFP recipe subforum.1 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »microwoman999 wrote: »Thank you for some insightful tips and the website I will look at that Jeanieneni. This is the diet my doctor put me on.
The paper he gave me states
1. If it tastes sweet it has sugar examples.... orange juice, fruits , all diet sodas and crystal light. No Splenda, equal or sugar twins.
2. If food is off white or white in color it's most likely starch ( few exceptions). Example no bread, pizza, cake, pies, pastas, rice and potatoes.
Rule of thumb white or sweet you can not have it
Meat- all I want: beef, pork, poultry, seafood, rabbit as much as I want.
Veggies- you can eat all the fresh or frozen veggies excluding corn, beans, and peas. Green beans are ok
Garden salads- as much as I like. Dressing only oil and vinegar, Italian and Caesar.
Eggs- you can eat all the eggs, bacon and sausage you like
Last but not least lots of water at least half a gallon a day which is easy for me I love water.
Please don't judge what my doctor put me on. Some of you had some lovely comments. This is not an insane diet it is just what my doctor put me on. All I asked for was for help from those who were on a similar diet. Maybe I should have written the whole chart like this from the beginning. I do not have sugar issues This is what he said would help me loose the best and I just said I would try it. I'm 2 weeks in and have lost 5.4lbs without being 100% on this diet and lost an inch in the waist and an inch in the hips.
I think this sounds great! Ignore the naysayers. If you stick to this, you'll lose weight and feel great. Good luck!!
Goodness knows it's important to get those pesky lentils and fruit out of everyone's diet. They are such a scourge!
Why are you projecting false information? Nothing in her post said she couldn't eat lentils. In fact, she said she could eat beans (lumping them with vegetables).
You misread it. It said she CANNOT eat beans (assuming she might consider them vegetables, I guess, so explaining those were not okay). Yes, I'm assuming beans include lentils.I don't necessarily think you need to cut out fruit, but if you're trying to lose weight you can safely eliminate it from your diet and introduce it slowly later if you want. You can get the vitamins and nutrients you get from fruit elsewhere.
You can safely do lots of things that aren't necessarily advisable to do. My problem with the plan (which I think is rather insulting in that it gives a list of rules with no good reason for them) is not that I think it's unsafe. It's that I think it doesn't take into consideration what would be sustainable for OP, give her tools to make a diet that works with what is sustainable and her own preferences, and that a diet that seems based on the idea that carbs are (mostly) bad and unlimited meat (including sausage and bacon) isn't truly health-conscious at all. And cutting out reasonably nutritious whole foods (I'd include grains and tubers here, as well as fruit) is not a good starting plan absent the context of a decision to go low carb and a carb goal to aim at, IMO.
Cutting out legumes (one of the best, if not the best, non animal sources of protein) I think is particular irresponsible without those things.
Could one ultimately decide that a similar diet is the best one for them personally, with an understanding of the reasons and why they are making certain trade-offs? Sure, although I certainly don't think that makes it a good choice for everyone needing to lose weight.
Telling OP this is simply THE way to lose weight and will result in spot reduction and that the sugar in bacon is "natural" and that there is sugar in diet drinks isn't accurate information. (There may be reasons to say you think sugar in bacon is fine and artificial sweetener should be avoided, but giving false information always raises my hackles. I honestly don't understand why you would even consider defending it.)
Yes, I did read it wrong. I thought she could eat those things (corn, beans, peas).
I understand what you're saying. I don't know the particulars, but the OP went to the doctor for something.
Like perhaps a check up?Perhaps obesity, or some other health problem where obesity is contributing factor. Her weight was a concern enough that the doctor gave her something that would help her lose weight, thus improving her health overall.
Yes, this was the doctor's "diet." There's nothing special about it, according to the OP. It's not related to a specific health problem, and either he gave a lot of bad information (like what I mentioned) OR did not make sure OP understood. IMO, if a doctor wants to try to help a patient lose weight, the respect needed is that he or she at least explain how it works -- if he wants to recommend keto, fine, but explain that, don't say "to lose weight you must do this." Also, again, that would involve calorie or carb goals, not "don't eat white foods." I mean, talk about insulting. It's like he assumes she's an idiot.We can't judge what's sustainable for her long term, but in the short term if she sticks to his recommendations, she'll lose weight and feel better.
We don't know that -- if she sticks to it and exercises common sense, yes, she will lose weight, probably, but if it's not sustainable it's not useful. Bigger issue is that there are lots of ways to lose, why not give her real information so she can exercise her own judgment, with knowledge? Why make her think whole foods like fruit and many starches (including legumes) must be avoided or will magically cause fat on the belly or that sausage is fine in all amounts?
Why not refer to to a registered dietitian if she thinks she can't do it on her own?I just don't think it's very helpful for a bunch of us here, instead of providing what she really asked for which was some recipes or encouragement from others who were eating similarly, to jump on her and tell her that her doctor is an idiot giving her a bunch of false information and that she's better off ignoring him and listening to all of us here who know better.
If my doctor was telling me things that were not true, I would want to know it. The idea that it's okay to give her false information because if she acts on it and we all pretend it's true she will probably lose weight even if she doesn't really understand why seems like a really condescending move. I get the impression that some here are so pro keto and anti carb that they don't really care what claims are made if it means more people do keto. (Not saying this is you, but I suspected that a little, perhaps unfairly.)
IMO, if the doctor is going to give half-kittened diet advice, he should also provide more information about healthful eating like this: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/ (also simplistic, but at least more informative).I also agree with the poster above that exercise hasn't really been discussed much. I think it's way more irresponsible to not prescribe getting more exercise if you're trying to help a patient lose weight to improve health. My personal opinion is that no diet will succeed without an element of exercise and if you're losing weight to get healthy (and not just look better), exercise should be a priority.
I think some can do it without exercise, but that if possible including exercise (defined broadly) is more important to health beyond the dietary stuff that gets argued about here, so I totally agree. (On that note, prescribing a keto, probably, diet to someone without talking about the side effects, at least at first, I think is also quite questionable.)5 -
PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »microwoman999 wrote: »Thank you for some insightful tips and the website I will look at that Jeanieneni. This is the diet my doctor put me on.
The paper he gave me states
1. If it tastes sweet it has sugar examples.... orange juice, fruits , all diet sodas and crystal light. No Splenda, equal or sugar twins.
2. If food is off white or white in color it's most likely starch ( few exceptions). Example no bread, pizza, cake, pies, pastas, rice and potatoes.
Rule of thumb white or sweet you can not have it
Meat- all I want: beef, pork, poultry, seafood, rabbit as much as I want.
Veggies- you can eat all the fresh or frozen veggies excluding corn, beans, and peas. Green beans are ok
Garden salads- as much as I like. Dressing only oil and vinegar, Italian and Caesar.
Eggs- you can eat all the eggs, bacon and sausage you like
Last but not least lots of water at least half a gallon a day which is easy for me I love water.
Please don't judge what my doctor put me on. Some of you had some lovely comments. This is not an insane diet it is just what my doctor put me on. All I asked for was for help from those who were on a similar diet. Maybe I should have written the whole chart like this from the beginning. I do not have sugar issues This is what he said would help me loose the best and I just said I would try it. I'm 2 weeks in and have lost 5.4lbs without being 100% on this diet and lost an inch in the waist and an inch in the hips.
I think this sounds great! Ignore the naysayers. If you stick to this, you'll lose weight and feel great. Good luck!!
Not necessarily. If she stays on it as the doctor explained the diet to her without a set calorie goal, she may or may not be successful. Only time will tell.
There has to be a reasonable amount of common sense with any new way of eating. The doctor basically suggested she cut out sweets and starchy foods. If she does this and eats reasonably the things on the list that are "okay," she'll feel great and lose weight. If it doesn't work in helping her lose weight (not every way of eating works for everyone), then no harm done and she can try something else. It's certainly not going to hurt her, like people on this thread have suggested.
This advice ignores a lot about why some people overeat and does nothing to address it.
I never understand the approach that it's just about particular foods, particularly when it comes to women, though I suppose men can be just as prone to emotional or hedonic eating as women.
I gained weight low carbing after my initial losses because of the lack of understanding about calorie intake I had. The food didn't satiate me, and wasn't a match for my stress levels at the time, and I am, at heart, a stress/emotional eater.
Information is power. A basic understanding of the concept of the need to maintain a caloric deficit in order to lose weight should be part of what everyone attempting to lose it understands. I wish I had known and understood all of this better 22 years ago.8 -
microwoman999 wrote: »I do agree if things don't work out than I switch up my plan. The ultimate goal is to get healthy and loose weight. So my doctor gave me something to work at. Right or wrong what he told me I am here to get more help as I felt a bit lost. I don't see the problem with that. That being said I joined a low carb group ( just waiting for the approval) once I'm in I'll probably learn a lot more about this diet. I still thank all of you for your help and guidance. Again I'm here to learn that's why I asked. Please continue
The major tipping points for you regarding all of this will be two things, mainly.
The first factor regards satiation. Will you find eating this way makes you feel full? Satiation is a tricky thing, and varies greatly by individual. People who take well to low carb get full from fat and don't feel full when they eat the types of carbohydrates they remove from their diets.
There are other people who don't find fat filling at all, who tend to find protein filling, with a mix of fat, or fiber.
There are still others for whom starch does the trick, with a little bit of protein thrown in the mix, or fibre, or fat.
The other tipping point for you will be sustainability. Will you feel... emotionally isn't the right word, but it's the best I can think of for now... satisfied living without the foods you eliminate forever? A lot of people who low carb feel that they have a poor reaction to carbohydrates and choose to live without them for goods. Others reincorporate them at a moderate level when they get to maintenance.
Food for thought. I like your attitude, how you're taking information on board. It bodes well for you.7 -
Hello @microwoman999 ! My husband did a low carb diet years ago and had great success. He has done it again over the past 12 years, but never was able to stick with it like the first time. It's really restrictive and tough, however it's not impossible. He will eat most green veggies and stays away from the more colorful ones (a pretty remedial approach to looking for sugar), he doesn't like veggies so usually doesn't have a hard time with just sticking to the ones with lowest sugar. He doesn't like fruit AT ALL, and wouldn't eat that regardless of the diet. He does eat a lot of chicken, seafood and eggs; I'd say those are his staples! Unlike you he will do the "fake" sweeteners like Splenda (diet coke is another staple) and Quest or Atkins bars. This makes it a lot easier for him to get through the day if he gets hungry in between meals or if he doesn't have time to make breakfast. He also likes the low carb tortillas and Dream Fields low carb pasta...these things help him manage. Maybe you can incorporate some of these as a once-in-awhile treat when you are maintaining. Good luck to you
PS - best results were teamed with regular exercise - nothing too crazy, but a daily walk, sit ups, etc.3 -
Jackie1002 wrote: »Have you heard of the Trim Healthy Mama eating plan? Research this! It is amazing!
You eat healthy fats, healthy carbs, but you eat them separately. Also use stevia in place of sugar. I have lost 40# on it so far, and have 30# left to go. Check it out! It really works!! My husband is a diabetic and he has lost weight as well, and his blood sugars have levelled out, and we both have more energy and feel great!
The first fat to you lose is belly fat!! Once you change how you eat with this plan, you lose the "wheat" belly. Check it out!
No, not it's not amazing. Do not eat carbs and fats together...what a crock of poo. Sorry, but there is nothing wrong with eating fats and carbs together. Eating a combination of these does not cause fat gain. Excess calories cause fat gain.
And "wheat belly"? You shouldn't diagnose yourself.10 -
I say go for it. I did that in Oct - I have lost a bunch of weight - I never feel hungry and I feel great. Not to mention I have eaten more vegetables than I ever have. No lack of energy - no headaches - no bloat - no upset stomachs - I just feel good. If you can handle it great - if you cant go back to counting calories - either way you win. Everything will work - you just have to find what is best for you.4
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