February 2017 Running Challenge
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^^ Same here.Every runner has to do what they feel comfortable with but nearly every one of my weeknight runs in the winter are on the roads, in the dark, and sometimes with icy spots. The sidewalks are more dangerous around here because there's much more ice and snowpack whereas the streets are plowed, often salted, and get more traffic making them safer and more pleasant.
I make myself as visible as I can with a reflective vest, headlamp in front and flashing light in the back, running against traffic. My routes are low traffic residential areas, often with wide shoulders or parking lanes. As cars come towards me I give them a quick flash with my headlight to get their attention. One time I happen to cross paths with my wife when she was driving home and she told me I really stood out and she saw my light bobbing up and down two blocks away.
I'm definitely a defensive runner out there. I've had close calls but most have been during the day at one particular busy intersection. Since I've developed my bright and blinky strategy, and have learned what to watch out for, I've never felt any more at risk running at night than during the day. Actually I think it's easier to stick out in the dark because of the reflective material and lights.
I still prefer to run on trails though, day or night.
The good thing about running in the evening (~9pm) during the week is that there are fewer cars. So I can run on the roads most of the time, which usually only have isolated spots of ice, while the sidewalks can be pure nightmare. Reflective clothing and, much more important, at least two blinking lights, and if I meet a car on a road without sidewalk, I wave my flashlight at them. I've never felt less safe on a run just because it is dark.
I don't run real trails at night though - combine the higher risk of falling with frequent lack of cell phone reception, and that seems too risky to me. If I stumble over a root and break my leg, I'd like to have a chance to be found within the next few hours, especially in winter!
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Now ice, darkness, and traffic are a deadly combination. I would run on ice if I made screw shoes and there's no traffic and in daylight. But running in the dark with crazy drivers (ice or no ice) is the bigger problem. That's the only reason I ended up on a hotel treadmill last month when I was up at Ft. Campbell.
Every runner has to do what they feel comfortable with but nearly every one of my weeknight runs in the winter are on the roads, in the dark, and sometimes with icy spots. The sidewalks are more dangerous around here because there's much more ice and snowpack whereas the streets are plowed, often salted, and get more traffic making them safer and more pleasant.
I make myself as visible as I can with a reflective vest, headlamp in front and flashing light in the back, running against traffic. My routes are low traffic residential areas, often with wide shoulders or parking lanes. As cars come towards me I give them a quick flash with my headlight to get their attention. One time I happen to cross paths with my wife when she was driving home and she told me I really stood out and she saw my light bobbing up and down two blocks away.
I'm definitely a defensive runner out there. I've had close calls but most have been during the day at one particular busy intersection. Since I've developed my bright and blinky strategy, and have learned what to watch out for, I've never felt any more at risk running at night than during the day. Actually I think it's easier to stick out in the dark because of the reflective material and lights.
Evening runner, so same here. I tend to work more one-way streets into my routes in the winter, since sidewalks are out in most cases (so I can run in the middle of the road for the most part where it is flat). I switched out the reflective vest for one with lights so it would be more visible to cyclists (I'm in a high pedestrian area, so drivers are pretty good about watching for runners, but cyclists have a tendency to blow through stop signs at full speed-I had a few close calls with them but none with cars in my neighborhood).0 -
The current conversation about running on the street made me wonder, what is the speed limit where y'all are running? Most of the time I'm running neighborhood streets with 20mph limit. There's only a couple roads in the my town that have 30-35mph, besides the main highway which is 55mph. I've only run along the sidewalk of the big highway twice and that was very different, with cars blowing by at 55
I go on and off the sidewalk through town based on parked cars. Some people park on the street and some block the sidewalk because they have too many cars in their driveway, so I weave on and off the sidewalk as needed. My whole town is mainly residential though.
I'm still trying to get back on schedule and it's not going well. Took hubby to ER after work yesterday and got home at 1am. Barely slept. So another run missed and at this point I haven't run since Friday. Which is stressing me out. LOL Now I'm so behind because nothing got done yesterday. Well, I started a load of laundry at 1:30 this morning. I just have so much to do. Maybe I should just go run for 15 min. Surely I can squeeze in 15 min, right?1 -
greenolivetree wrote: »The current conversation about running on the street made me wonder, what is the speed limit where y'all are running? Most of the time I'm running neighborhood streets with 20mph limit. There's only a couple roads in the my town that have 30-35mph, besides the main highway which is 55mph. I've only run along the sidewalk of the big highway twice and that was very different, with cars blowing by at 55 I go on and off the sidewalk through town based on parked cars. Some people park on the street and some block the sidewalk because they have too many cars in their driveway, so I weave on and off the sidewalk as needed. My whole town is mainly residential though.
I stick to mostly residential streets, 25mph speed limit. On those roads, I will run in the street if the sidewalks are impassable. My routes do go along a few higher speed limit roads in spots (I think the highest get up to 35-40mph) and stay only on the sidewalks on those. Those streets tend to be busier than the residential streets. Residential streets I hardly ever see any cars.0 -
Been feeling low after long illness and abandoning my (ambitious) marathon plans. Last night I found a replacement marathon in May which I booked this morning. It's run as 4 x 10.5k loops up and down a coastal road/promenade so mostly flat. Description says there is a small hill, but looking at a route mapper it's only about 60ft so even being done 8 times should be easy enough, (though may not think so by the last lap!). It's a tiny event in its 3rd year and only had 28 individual marathon finishers last year and I am entry #10 so far this year. If similar to last year, even including relay runners and HM runners, there will only be about 100 of us on the start line.
I also did some looking at different training plans, and chose the one which seemed the most interesting to me. Was from a charity website so don't know where the plan came from originally, but includes a variety of runs including fartleks, off-road and hill work. Although the plan does not prescribe any cross-training or resistance training it encourages you to do some so that fits well with me also. I need to play with it a bit to fit around my other commitments (mainly my daughter) but overall I should be OK and the variety will keep me interested. The plan includes one half marathon race so have booked myself in for one in London (Richmond Half) that week, so we're all systems go!
I guess that means today officially marks day one of my marathon training, although I jumped into Week 3 Day 2 of the plan which called for 50 mins hilly. As it happened I had already planned a 10K point-to-point run today anyhow (to town for dinner & cinema trip). My normal route includes one proper hill and three more gentle slopes and takes just over an hour so I stuck with that. Within a km of leaving home my tummy starting feeling a bit off, and after 3km or so I had to throw in done walking intervals. About 4km in I had to give it up but I was relatively near a pub so walked there to use the bathrooms. After that I tried again and probably did about 0.5km but unfortunately knew today wasn't meant to be especially as I was on a time deadline so had to hop on the bus. Not overly worried as my run yesterday was longer than the plan would have been and know I could have even have started at week 5 if I had to.
Now, just need to keep fingers crossed for no illnesses / injuries / life-events etc. getting in the way the next few months. Bring it on...
01-Feb: 1.7km treadmill intervals [TM]
02-Feb: 3.4k treadmill [TM]
05-Feb: 6.6k + 5.5k easy
06-Feb: 7.5k tempo
07-Feb: 4.1k easy
2017 Confirmed Races:
19-Mar: Richmond Half Marathon
14-May: Bexhill Starfish Marathon4 -
@greenolivetree - The streets in my neighborhood are 25 mph and the ones around my work are up to 35 mph. I do run on some roads with speed limits up to 55 mph, but never in the dark and most of those roads have a pretty decent shoulder. I try to avoid 2 lane roads with no shoulder. There is a road that I need to take to get to the path closest to my house that is a county road with a steep camber and absolutely no shoulder, trenched on both sides. Speed limit is 45 mph, but people fly much faster than that. If I want to get to the path, I need to run on this road for about 0.75 mile stretch. I never do it in the dark and I always remove my right earbud so I know if traffic is coming in the other direction. Most cars will move over at least halfway to the other side of the road, but some people come by as if they are intentionally trying to make me jump off the road. I am always terrified during that stretch of my run and tend to pick up the pace a lot!
BTW, sorry your hubby is still having issues. I am sure that is rough on both of you. I hope things turn around for him soon.
@dkabambe -Sorry to hear about your marathon, but you probably made the right decision. Going into a marathon underprepared is a recipe for disaster. I am sure you will feel much better for the May race and have a great run!1 -
greenolivetree wrote: »The current conversation about running on the street made me wonder, what is the speed limit where y'all are running? Most of the time I'm running neighborhood streets with 20mph limit. There's only a couple roads in the my town that have 30-35mph, besides the main highway which is 55mph. I've only run along the sidewalk of the big highway twice and that was very different, with cars blowing by at 55 I go on and off the sidewalk through town based on parked cars. Some people park on the street and some block the sidewalk because they have too many cars in their driveway, so I weave on and off the sidewalk as needed. My whole town is mainly residential though.
I live in the city, so cars are generally parked on the street bumper-to-bumper. Very few people there block the sidewalk with their cars. Speed limit is 30 mph (side streets and main streets). The street with the fastest moving traffic (major street, but primarily residential, with more traffic circles rather than lights) has a bike lane on both sides but have to be careful at the circles. The other main streets are small-sized dense-packed commercial streets, so slower traffic due to being stop-go with people parking and high pedestrian flow - most of the sidewalks here pass in front of consumer-based businesses, so the sidewalks are generally cleared and salted when needed (with the exception of a handful of apartment-only buildings or non-consumer-based businesses).
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@greenolivetree you bring up a good point. The nature of the road certainly influences runability.
Here are some screen captures of my typical road route
There are residential side streets, 30mph, no parking lane, but such low traffic it doesn't matter
Then there are residential collector streets, 30mph, busy but with a parking lane which I run in. Very few cars actually park in the parking lane.
Finally, there is a busy county road nearby, 50mph, with no parking lane and too busy to run on any time of day. I'll run on the sidewalk for a couple of blocks to get to where I need to be or in some parts there is an asphalt path I run on when they're not snow covered.
As far as running, I think you should. You need to look after your own well being. You'll be better able to care for your husband if you make sure you're also taking care of you. I hope things calm down soon!
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greenolivetree wrote: »The current conversation about running on the street made me wonder, what is the speed limit where y'all are running? Most of the time I'm running neighborhood streets with 20mph limit. There's only a couple roads in the my town that have 30-35mph, besides the main highway which is 55mph. I've only run along the sidewalk of the big highway twice and that was very different, with cars blowing by at 55 I go on and off the sidewalk through town based on parked cars. Some people park on the street and some block the sidewalk because they have too many cars in their driveway, so I weave on and off the sidewalk as needed. My whole town is mainly residential though.
I'm still trying to get back on schedule and it's not going well. Took hubby to ER after work yesterday and got home at 1am. Barely slept. So another run missed and at this point I haven't run since Friday. Which is stressing me out. LOL Now I'm so behind because nothing got done yesterday. Well, I started a load of laundry at 1:30 this morning. I just have so much to do. Maybe I should just go run for 15 min. Surely I can squeeze in 15 min, right?
Sorry about your hubby. I hope everything is fine now with him?
As far as types of roads. I run in all sorts. I try to run as much as possible on roads that are not busy like back neighborhood roads, or early in the morning when traffic is not quite busy yet. But things always don't work out as I plan.
Running on Redstone Arsenal (or RSA) which is the Army base I work on, has a "jogging" path that is perfect and isolates me from the traffic except for a couple minor cross traffic. Most people are kind (possibly too kind when they stop for you when you're still 20 feet away from the intersection) but then you get a few that don't care and you have to stop and wait 5 or 10 seconds for the traffic to clear.
Research Park is great for a Saturday morning long run which also includes the Greenway. On the weekends and especially if I get up super early on Saturday, nobody is up and out that way. Weekdays, which includes my Thursday morning Panera Pounder run, it sometimes get's crazy near Columbia High School. Who in the heck is at a high school or driving to work at 5:45 am? But there are quite a few, some weeks crazier than others. The speed limit through research park is supposed to be 35 mph, but I know people go way faster than that. Luckily the more busier parts of Research Park are 4 lanes.
That kinda leaves my Tuesday morning run with my Brueggers group in question. Hughes Road is not too bad because there's a running/walk path made of blacktop that parallels, but Madison Pike Rd which not only has high traffic even in the morning with a speed limit of 40 mph, but there's a few cross streets where drivers pull out and never look to their right. That's the most dangerous part of all my runs. The rest of that route is low traffic side neighborhood streets that are 25 mph max and some even have speed bumbs through them.
As far as using the sidewalks? I hate using them when I am forced to use them. Concrete is rougher on the legs than black top. If you catch a crack wrong, you do a face plant. And then the tree limbs that never get trimmed, and being 6'2" and ducking tree limbs is not fun while running.
When I do run in the street, I always go against the traffic, and I wear a head lamp and try and wear brightly colored clothing.2 -
greenolivetree wrote: »The current conversation about running on the street made me wonder, what is the speed limit where y'all are running? Most of the time I'm running neighborhood streets with 20mph limit. There's only a couple roads in the my town that have 30-35mph, besides the main highway which is 55mph. I've only run along the sidewalk of the big highway twice and that was very different, with cars blowing by at 55 I go on and off the sidewalk through town based on parked cars. Some people park on the street and some block the sidewalk because they have too many cars in their driveway, so I weave on and off the sidewalk as needed. My whole town is mainly residential though.
I'm still trying to get back on schedule and it's not going well. Took hubby to ER after work yesterday and got home at 1am. Barely slept. So another run missed and at this point I haven't run since Friday. Which is stressing me out. LOL Now I'm so behind because nothing got done yesterday. Well, I started a load of laundry at 1:30 this morning. I just have so much to do. Maybe I should just go run for 15 min. Surely I can squeeze in 15 min, right?
My most common road route for weekdays is mostly 25 mph speed limit and mostly boulevards (i.e. median). I live in a small town with no uniform sidewalk plan. Some places have sidewalks while others do not. The places with sidewalks are not well kept and generally are much more hazardous than roads. They start and stop in odd places, and there are also vehicles blocking sidewalks here too. It is up to each individual homeowner to decide if they will put in a sidewalk and whether they will keep it up. Much of the city therefore does not have sidewalks at all. As a result, I usually am sticking to streets.
There are boulevard streets (grassy median with lamp posts in the median) in my town with extra wide roads (wide enough for 2 cars in either direction so people can park and drive past) in a square formation. It is 1.5 miles all the way around and crosses 2 major roads. One of those roads is only well used to a point in the middle of this square area, then jogs to another road outside of that area along one of the other major roads. So in truth, there are only 3 major intersections crossing this 1.5 mile square of boulevards. I stay on the road the entire time, even in those few areas with sidewalks. There are a lot of other pedestrians (both running and walking) along the road as well. I run against traffic and look left, right, and behind me as I come up on each intersection. I slow down significantly and almost always stop at the major intersections whether there is traffic or not. None of the drivers along those high-traffic streets have stop signs or stop lights at those intersections.
Only once have I had a close encounter with a vehicle. I had done a couple laps around the boulevards and was in the last 4 blocks returning home. At 1 block away from the boulevards, I heard a vehicle coming up behind me (this is now a 2-lane road with no divider at all; and I'm running against traffic). I heard the vehicle speed up as it approached, and then it came into view from behind me on my right as I approached the intersection. The vehicle then turned left as I entered the intersection. I slowed to avoid running into the back of the vehicle as it crossed my path. So basically, this driver sped up to make a turn in front of me, crossing my path so closely that I had to slow down rather than approaching the intersection at a more reasonable speed and possibly having to wait a second turn. I wasn't happy about that, and in hindsight, I wish I would have reached out and slapped the back side window of the vehicle. Not hard enough to break the window, but hard enough to get the attention of the driver so maybe she would think about how close she had been in her haste to make that turn.1 -
Here's an example of the area I'm running. Depending on time of day there's more or less parked cars, but there's never much traffic. Only when I cross one of the higher speed roads do I need to stop for traffic. I just try to avoid running at higher traffic times, like I notice the traffic picks up around 6:45am.
@Stoshew71 I gravitate back to the street vs the sidewalk for the same reasons as you. Although at barely 5 ft tall, it takes a pretty low branch :-D
@midwesterner85 Yes, that's the sort of thing you have to watch for! Drivers that want to cut in front of you like you have eyes in the back of your head.
@lporter229 I only run about 1/10th mile on a 2 lane no shoulder road and even that freaks me out :-p I just stop and stand in the grass if anybody comes by. But I try to just wait and time it with no cars.
My husband has mysterious vomiting and no real answers so I dunno. He had pancreatitis again but that cleared up so it's possible he caught a virus but it's been going on a week. We've dealt with unexplained vomiting before though, so I guess we'll just have to tough it out and go back to the ER for fluids if necessary.
I'll try to get at least a short run in today. It's currently 71F and tomorrow's low is 24F
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Here is the road I am talking about. The path is on the other side of those farm silos. I would not otherwise run on this type of road. It's not a very high traffic road at the times that I usually run it. On average, I have to deal with 3-4 cars between points A and B.1 -
@lporter229 That's not bad. I'd rather run a road like that than through town where cars are not only on the road but coming out of a business driveway every 50 ft. THAT really scares me because we had a lady killed a year ago by a truck making a right turn out of a pizza place
Our whole county is working on pedestrian safety but I'm not sure that calling an 8ft wide sidewalk that goes past every business in town a "trail" is safe. 0 -
2/1/17 - 6 miles
2/3/17 - 12 miles
2/4/17 - 7 miles
2/5/17 - 7 miles
2/7/17 - 7.5 miles0 -
The main commercial road in my immediate neighborhood (sidewalk mostly usable).
The main residential road with bike path
Side streets (residential, many one-way)..
Runs longer than 4-5 miles usually include downtown which is a mix of usable sidewalk and not.
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Streets I mainly run on:
local, residential streets, mostly no sidewalks, but not a ton of traffic, and speed limit is around 25
busier residential street with a double yellow line. I still run on the street here, since there's hardly any on-street parking, and I hate running on sidewalks for reasons expressed by previous posters
center of town. Only street I run on the sidewalk because of the pull-in parking
more commercial road. It has a sidewalk that comes and goes and is not well maintained, lol. I'm fine running in the street here though, because there's a pretty good shoulder
I have to say, I'm really enjoying seeing everyone's streets, it's always fun to get a glimpse at other locations around the country/world2 -
2/1 – cross-training – zumba
2/2 – run – general aerobic – 7 miles
2/3 – run – general aerobic – 6 miles
2/4 – cross-training – zumba/weights
2/5 – long run – 6 miles
2/6 – rest
2/7 – run/cross-training – general aerobic – 6 miles/weights
Total: 28/116
Totally enjoyed my run in the rain! Was right around 36 degrees F, so a little chilly, and I forgot to pack long pants so my calves were a little cool in my capris, lol, but otherwise it was all good!
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@greenolivetree Speed limit through residential is 50km, everywhere else (which is most of the runnable territory) is 110. I only run wooded trail for this reason. People in this town drive like they are on something at the best of times though (the number of times I've almost been hit at a marked intersection with the stroller I can't even count). I also find on the off time I'll run roads in the summer that guys get creepy and/or aggressive and I prefer to avoid that as well.
So imagine this only covered in a hell of a lot of snow because I haven't taken a picture of trail in forevaaaa:
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Totally agree, it's great!KatieJane83 wrote: »I have to say, I'm really enjoying seeing everyone's streets, it's always fun to get a glimpse at other locations around the country/world
Most of my running is done in places the google streetview car didn't visit (it's seems it mostly covered the large roads), but still, I found a at least a few of mine:
Country road, speed limit 100km/h (~62mph), although people usually drive a bit faster. There isn't really a shoulder, so I avoid it if there is too much traffic. And I don't run here at night.
Another country road, speed limit 70km/h(~43km/h) - or maybe also 100km/h, not entirely sure just now - but it has a useable sidewalk. Which is good, because there's usually a lot more traffic than on the one above.
City (village
) centre. There are sidewalks, but I pretty much never run in this direction. Too many cars/people/whatever.
This is as close as I usually go to the village centre - that would be straight, but I turn right. The sidewalk ends just around the corner for a hundred meters or so, then it starts again.
Residential street I - speed limit 50km/h (~31mph), no sidewalk, but it's single lane, so people usually drive careful since they have to be able to react to oncoming traffic.
Residential street II - one of those fancy new ones. Speed limit 30km/h (~19mph), side walks on both sides - though I usually run on the street here, because theres cars parking on the sidewalk, or stairs, or potted plants, or stupid "decorative" rock spheres - most of it looks nice, but running on the street is just easier, especially since there usually isn't any traffic at all.
Residential street III - again 50km/h speed limit, but peole usually drive slower than that. Occasionally with sidewalks, but not always.
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Ooh ooh... I wanna play too
Here's the medium traffic street. 25mph but more cars than most residential streets in the area.
This one's in front of my mom's house. 25mph and very few cars.
And finally, the high traffic street. Sidewalks only on this one. 35-40mph.
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This is part of the residential road I run to get to the small park by my house.
This is the only portion of the road that has a sidewalk and it is only about .25 mile. Around that corner/hill is a highway overpass and everyone flies around it even though the speed limit is 25 MPH.
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I live in London, so there is traffic everywhere and I hate it. Your wide open streets are making me incredibly jealous, we have nothing like that here! I think that's why I love running on trails and through fields and parks so much, it's the only time you're not feeling suffocated by buildings and traffic. I'm lucky that I live on the very edge of London and at least have that option. I often wonder if I lived in central London, where the traffic is awful, if I would ever have fallen in love with running in the way that I have. I don't think I would. Does anyone else ever feel that way? I feel that way about my hometown too, but only because of the hills. I don't think I ever would have taken up running had I started there!
Thank you for all your kind words after my bad week. Definitely smashing it this week though, but I have a lot to catch up on at work after having done so little last week. Serves me right I guess, but could not have been helped. Got my run in today, keeping it very slow this week though to keep my legs happy
February Running Challenge
1st-2nd - Sick
3rd - 6.15 miles
5th - 5.19 miles XC Race
7th - 4.06 miles
MTD - 15.40/100 miles
Upcoming races:
19th February - Bramley 20mile
12th March - North London Half Marathon
9th April - Brighton Marathon3 -
Feb: 55 miles running.
Planned Races
11th February : Mid Lancs Rossall Cross Country 4 miles :
26th February : Stanley Park 10K :
18th March : Cartmel 5K trail race :
1st: 0 miles, - MTD 0
2nd: 3.42 miles - MTD 3.42
3rd: 0 miles, Pilates and strength training- MTD
4th: 3.12 miles Park Run - MTD 6.54
5th: 0 miles - MTD 6.54
6th: 0 miles, Pilates and strength training- MTD
7th: 5.15 miles club run - MTD 11.691 -
louubelle16 wrote: »I live in London, so there is traffic everywhere and I hate it. Your wide open streets are making me incredibly jealous, we have nothing like that here! I think that's why I love running on trails and through fields and parks so much, it's the only time you're not feeling suffocated by buildings and traffic. I'm lucky that I live on the very edge of London and at least have that option. I often wonder if I lived in central London, where the traffic is awful, if I would ever have fallen in love with running in the way that I have. I don't think I would. Does anyone else ever feel that way? I feel that way about my hometown too, but only because of the hills. I don't think I ever would have taken up running had I started there!
Whilst I totally agree, what I find so amazing is it's quite difficult to find roads without pavements (sidewalks) around here so I rarely feel in danger from vehicles. However, I hate london and other really built up areas as you have to stop every few hundred feet to cross a road and they're so busy takes forever so you can never build up any rhythm. From a running point of view probably even worse than running on the road! Living just outside of London (about 30 miles east) is great - avoid both traffic and constant road crossing, but still have pavements when you are running road routes!0 -
@Stoshew71 @lporter229 and @_nikkiwolf_ Thank you so much for the marathon tips. @Stoshew71 That website was awesome with some great info!!1
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7---2.45 mile walk
Whoo! Did something finally!9 -
So, it's going to be somewhere between -4f and -6f when I'm running tomorrow morning, with windchills -2-f to -22 f. I was going to run a loop. now I'm thinking about running an out and back with the wind in my face on the way out. Since it's a progression run, I feel like I'm cheating a little, but with those temps and windchills, I don't feel too bad. Winds will be in the 5mph range.0
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Stuck at work late tonight so my trail run will have to wait. Maybe I'll take a break and walk up and down the stairs.0
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