The Real Housewifes of MFP
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LiftingRiot wrote: »LiftingRiot wrote: »Cutaway_Collar wrote: »It's disheartening when women are fighting for their rights in this country at such a difficult period for women and gender equality , there are those in the country who still accept and defend the traditional yoke placed by our formerly patriarchial society.
I suggest renting the movie mona lisa smile and watching it 5 times. Humanity progresses on the day men and women are equal at home and outside (equal pay, more exexutives and increased role in religious hierarchies)
I hope I'm understanding this post correctly. If not, I apologize. Most people don't even respond but l, I'll bite.
Man, you are brainwashed in the worst way.
Staying at home is an honorable thing. I go to work to earn money - so we can live in a house and eat, you know, food. Have two cars and electricity. My beautiful bride stays and works at home. She does all the bills, stays on top of aforementioned food supplies, and invests herself into our only lasting legacy which is our children's lives. Could we have a lot more money if she kept working in her career field full time? Yeah. Can you take it with you when you die? Can it buy back all the time you gave to bratty teenagers working for low pay at day care centers full of screaming infants and toddlers that aren't being held enough?
No.
I am proud of my wife for staying home and blessing our kids with genuine love and care that nobody except she can provide. She can full time work again if she wants to but I don't care if she ever does. That girl is fine like French wine from a premium grape vine and she is to be cherished and valued. And one way I do that is supporting her in the care of our kids. If I don't work, she can't care for them. If she doesn't care for them, I can't work. Man, I don't even know what my paychecks are half the time. I don't care. I just go to work and do my best and excel.
The balance and beauty of equal relationship is already there, you're just too deep in the "feminist" mindset to see it. It is not "beneath" a woman to stay home and raise kids or tend to the home if she wants to do that. It's her career path and she does it well.
Stay at home parents rock, and I support every single stay at home mom up in here. Women have the right to choose to stay home or not stay home without somebody saying patriarchal this or bra burning that.
I happen to agree with Cutaway. There is a great divide amongst women and that is what he is talking about. On one half, women fight for equality, and the other women just want to stay home. If women just want to be taken care of, men pay for everything, shouldnt men get paid more because they are "supposed" to take care of the woman? Staying at home and taking care of a house and kids is not the hardest job in the world like people say. Especially if you have an "Alice". Youre on MFP 24/7 for crying out loud. I think there would be countless amounts of men that would stay at home to just take care of house and kids. Where is the equal number of women stepping up to that plate?
How is raising kids and taking care of a home a career path? This is what people that work do every day and they have an actual career.
It is important to raise kids and give them attention. I have an immense amount of respect for @happilymegan. She works and gives her son all the love he needs. She is a great mom and doesn't need to sit at home and have a man take care of her.
What do you do especially when kids start school? Is that why so many are on MFP posting selfies and trying to get compliments? Go to the gym whenever you want or play tennis? Talk about grueling.
There's one very important part of this equation you're minimalizing - the children. I'm a mom who also works full-time plus some. My own mother was a SAHM. I think kids benefit greatly from having a parent at home if possible (don't care if that parent is of the male or female variety). Someone to schedule and attend all the teacher's meetings, dentist appointments, soccer practices, piano lessons, etc, without the insane juggling act of also logging 50 hours at the office (most of those hours being the same ones all that other stuff needs to be crammed into). Not to mention homework, chores, cooking, extracurriculars. Do the rest of us who either have 2-parent working families or single-parent households make it work? Yea, but it sucks sometimes! Don't underestimate the importance of a stay-at-home parent for kids.
What Cuttaway and I are originally alluding to is equality. He was saying in the home, work, and even religion. I may have directed my statements towards women because the majority of stay at home parents is women. And this post is on a social site for goofing off while talking about the plight of the stay at home mother instead of a stay at home parent. It should be either parent staying home and there are benefits to a parent staying home. I would think there would be a greater number of SAHM dads if there was equality.
Majority of women if not all will preach equality when its in the sense of the workplace. I have seen very few preach equality in the homes. So is it equality that they really want?
You're alluding to the fact that you're both knuckleheads when it comes to this subject. He doesn't have any kids. When he starts rolling down that hill he can recheck in with us. I don't know jack about you except...
Knucklehead.
Women do have a right to choose just like men have a right to choose. For my family personally? She is the clear choice because she is genetically different than I am. She is much more patient with small children and generally has a greater skill set that comes with staying home and MANAGING our household.
She will probably work around our kids school hours when they are all of achool age. She has a technical degree and is great at her job. Until then? She is the manager of our house, our finances, and the large majority of the care of our children. I don't plop on the couch when I get home - I do what is asked of me. I do the dishes almost every night. I do the lawn. I do the vehicles. I do the heavy work and I happen to leave the house to work.
Her commute is just shorter.
If we both worked we would make it work- but what's the point? A bigger house? A fancier car? My stuff is old and used and I fix it myself. Our house is small but it's nice because I keep it up.
There's a lot of working families out there that are working two jobs instead of one just to pay for stuff they don't even need to impress people they don't even know or like. Stupid.
You are making it exceptionally clear you ain't nevah stayed home with a couple little monsters all day - and not once in a while and just putting them in front of electronics all day. Actually investing in them. It's hard to do that day after day and if you don't think so- just give it a shot for a week. Matter of fact put on a go pro so we can view it on YouTube.
Your getting hung up on the fact that nobody wants you to stay home? That nobody wants your bros to stay home? You ain't got the skillz to cash that check. Most men don't. Some do.
I'm referencing what I would call "average" families. If you're affluent enough to stay home and have a maid- good for you. That's not us, and that doesn't even make sense to me because it's out of my realm of understanding.
Just because there's not a check in the bank doesn't mean it isn't work.
This is the most sexist post of everyones I seen on this thread. Men are definitely good enough. I take care of my daughter very well and just as well as any woman. So you have no idea what your talking about and you are the biggest shame in this thread.2 -
This is an interesting debate I say do what works for you but for us we budget well buy used cars purchased a foreclosed house I go to the clearance rack first and we do pretty well these things are done so I can sty home and perform a job the is priority for the hopefully successful raising of our children look around at our society, it's not as much as a priority these days as it should be0
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happilymegan wrote: »Heyy, thank you!!!
I do want to add however there is much reward for a child to have a stay at home parent during birth and the age of 3. The brain doubles in size during this period and the benefits in regards to brain development and having a stay at home parent are astronomical and life lasting. I spent the first year with my son as I was breastfeeding. Afterwhich my then partner and I both worked part time switching days so one of us could always be with him. Even if you want to throw away all scientific reasoning why it's important. The emotional stability it creates within the child and the relationship the child develops between themselves and their parents are reasoning alone to do so if you can
LiftingRiot wrote: »Cutaway_Collar wrote: »It's disheartening when women are fighting for their rights in this country at such a difficult period for women and gender equality , there are those in the country who still accept and defend the traditional yoke placed by our formerly patriarchial society.
I suggest renting the movie mona lisa smile and watching it 5 times. Humanity progresses on the day men and women are equal at home and outside (equal pay, more exexutives and increased role in religious hierarchies)
I hope I'm understanding this post correctly. If not, I apologize. Most people don't even respond but l, I'll bite.
Man, you are brainwashed in the worst way.
Staying at home is an honorable thing. I go to work to earn money - so we can live in a house and eat, you know, food. Have two cars and electricity. My beautiful bride stays and works at home. She does all the bills, stays on top of aforementioned food supplies, and invests herself into our only lasting legacy which is our children's lives. Could we have a lot more money if she kept working in her career field full time? Yeah. Can you take it with you when you die? Can it buy back all the time you gave to bratty teenagers working for low pay at day care centers full of screaming infants and toddlers that aren't being held enough?
No.
I am proud of my wife for staying home and blessing our kids with genuine love and care that nobody except she can provide. She can full time work again if she wants to but I don't care if she ever does. That girl is fine like French wine from a premium grape vine and she is to be cherished and valued. And one way I do that is supporting her in the care of our kids. If I don't work, she can't care for them. If she doesn't care for them, I can't work. Man, I don't even know what my paychecks are half the time. I don't care. I just go to work and do my best and excel.
The balance and beauty of equal relationship is already there, you're just too deep in the "feminist" mindset to see it. It is not "beneath" a woman to stay home and raise kids or tend to the home if she wants to do that. It's her career path and she does it well.
Stay at home parents rock, and I support every single stay at home mom up in here. Women have the right to choose to stay home or not stay home without somebody saying patriarchal this or bra burning that.
I happen to agree with Cutaway. There is a great divide amongst women and that is what he is talking about. On one half, women fight for equality, and the other women just want to stay home. If women just want to be taken care of, men pay for everything, shouldnt men get paid more because they are "supposed" to take care of the woman? Staying at home and taking care of a house and kids is not the hardest job in the world like people say. Especially if you have an "Alice". Youre on MFP 24/7 for crying out loud. I think there would be countless amounts of men that would stay at home to just take care of house and kids. Where is the equal number of women stepping up to that plate?
How is raising kids and taking care of a home a career path? This is what people that work do every day and they have an actual career.
It is important to raise kids and give them attention. I have an immense amount of respect for @happilymegan. She works and gives her son all the love he needs. She is a great mom and doesn't need to sit at home and have a man take care of her.
What do you do especially when kids start school? Is that why so many are on MFP posting selfies and trying to get compliments? Go to the gym whenever you want or play tennis? Talk about grueling.
I agree Megan. There are crucial years when it is very beneficial for a parent to stay with their child.1 -
LiftingRiot wrote: »LiftingRiot wrote: »LiftingRiot wrote: »Cutaway_Collar wrote: »It's disheartening when women are fighting for their rights in this country at such a difficult period for women and gender equality , there are those in the country who still accept and defend the traditional yoke placed by our formerly patriarchial society.
I suggest renting the movie mona lisa smile and watching it 5 times. Humanity progresses on the day men and women are equal at home and outside (equal pay, more exexutives and increased role in religious hierarchies)
I hope I'm understanding this post correctly. If not, I apologize. Most people don't even respond but l, I'll bite.
Man, you are brainwashed in the worst way.
Staying at home is an honorable thing. I go to work to earn money - so we can live in a house and eat, you know, food. Have two cars and electricity. My beautiful bride stays and works at home. She does all the bills, stays on top of aforementioned food supplies, and invests herself into our only lasting legacy which is our children's lives. Could we have a lot more money if she kept working in her career field full time? Yeah. Can you take it with you when you die? Can it buy back all the time you gave to bratty teenagers working for low pay at day care centers full of screaming infants and toddlers that aren't being held enough?
No.
I am proud of my wife for staying home and blessing our kids with genuine love and care that nobody except she can provide. She can full time work again if she wants to but I don't care if she ever does. That girl is fine like French wine from a premium grape vine and she is to be cherished and valued. And one way I do that is supporting her in the care of our kids. If I don't work, she can't care for them. If she doesn't care for them, I can't work. Man, I don't even know what my paychecks are half the time. I don't care. I just go to work and do my best and excel.
The balance and beauty of equal relationship is already there, you're just too deep in the "feminist" mindset to see it. It is not "beneath" a woman to stay home and raise kids or tend to the home if she wants to do that. It's her career path and she does it well.
Stay at home parents rock, and I support every single stay at home mom up in here. Women have the right to choose to stay home or not stay home without somebody saying patriarchal this or bra burning that.
I happen to agree with Cutaway. There is a great divide amongst women and that is what he is talking about. On one half, women fight for equality, and the other women just want to stay home. If women just want to be taken care of, men pay for everything, shouldnt men get paid more because they are "supposed" to take care of the woman? Staying at home and taking care of a house and kids is not the hardest job in the world like people say. Especially if you have an "Alice". Youre on MFP 24/7 for crying out loud. I think there would be countless amounts of men that would stay at home to just take care of house and kids. Where is the equal number of women stepping up to that plate?
How is raising kids and taking care of a home a career path? This is what people that work do every day and they have an actual career.
It is important to raise kids and give them attention. I have an immense amount of respect for @happilymegan. She works and gives her son all the love he needs. She is a great mom and doesn't need to sit at home and have a man take care of her.
What do you do especially when kids start school? Is that why so many are on MFP posting selfies and trying to get compliments? Go to the gym whenever you want or play tennis? Talk about grueling.
There's one very important part of this equation you're minimalizing - the children. I'm a mom who also works full-time plus some. My own mother was a SAHM. I think kids benefit greatly from having a parent at home if possible (don't care if that parent is of the male or female variety). Someone to schedule and attend all the teacher's meetings, dentist appointments, soccer practices, piano lessons, etc, without the insane juggling act of also logging 50 hours at the office (most of those hours being the same ones all that other stuff needs to be crammed into). Not to mention homework, chores, cooking, extracurriculars. Do the rest of us who either have 2-parent working families or single-parent households make it work? Yea, but it sucks sometimes! Don't underestimate the importance of a stay-at-home parent for kids.
What Cuttaway and I are originally alluding to is equality. He was saying in the home, work, and even religion. I may have directed my statements towards women because the majority of stay at home parents is women. And this post is on a social site for goofing off while talking about the plight of the stay at home mother instead of a stay at home parent. It should be either parent staying home and there are benefits to a parent staying home. I would think there would be a greater number of SAHM dads if there was equality.
Majority of women if not all will preach equality when its in the sense of the workplace. I have seen very few preach equality in the homes. So is it equality that they really want?
You're alluding to the fact that you're both knuckleheads when it comes to this subject. He doesn't have any kids. When he starts rolling down that hill he can recheck in with us. I don't know jack about you except...
Knucklehead.
Women do have a right to choose just like men have a right to choose. For my family personally? She is the clear choice because she is genetically different than I am. She is much more patient with small children and generally has a greater skill set that comes with staying home and MANAGING our household.
She will probably work around our kids school hours when they are all of achool age. She has a technical degree and is great at her job. Until then? She is the manager of our house, our finances, and the large majority of the care of our children. I don't plop on the couch when I get home - I do what is asked of me. I do the dishes almost every night. I do the lawn. I do the vehicles. I do the heavy work and I happen to leave the house to work.
Her commute is just shorter.
If we both worked we would make it work- but what's the point? A bigger house? A fancier car? My stuff is old and used and I fix it myself. Our house is small but it's nice because I keep it up.
There's a lot of working families out there that are working two jobs instead of one just to pay for stuff they don't even need to impress people they don't even know or like. Stupid.
You are making it exceptionally clear you ain't nevah stayed home with a couple little monsters all day - and not once in a while and just putting them in front of electronics all day. Actually investing in them. It's hard to do that day after day and if you don't think so- just give it a shot for a week. Matter of fact put on a go pro so we can view it on YouTube.
Your getting hung up on the fact that nobody wants you to stay home? That nobody wants your bros to stay home? You ain't got the skillz to cash that check. Most men don't. Some do.
I'm referencing what I would call "average" families. If you're affluent enough to stay home and have a maid- good for you. That's not us, and that doesn't even make sense to me because it's out of my realm of understanding.
Just because there's not a check in the bank doesn't mean it isn't work.
This is the most sexist post of everyones I seen on this thread. Men are definitely good enough. I take care of my daughter very well and just as well as any woman. So you have no idea what your talking about and you are the biggest shame in this thread.
You can never completely give her what a mother can and vice versa . can't argue with mother nature both mother and father are " equally important " but can never be the same3 -
This is an interesting debate I say do what works for you but for us we budget well buy used cars purchased a foreclosed house I go to the clearance rack first and we do pretty well these things are done so I can sty home and perform a job the is priority for the hopefully successful raising of our children look around at our society, it's not as much as a priority these days as it should be
If I could stay home with my daughter everyday, plan events, raise her and guide her to being an honest, responsible, intelligent woman, I would rather than working. Just as women are not afforded the same rights as men in the work place, men are not afforded equal rights in the home (its a womans job and not a mans, or as @formerpl stated-You ain't got the skillz to cash that check. Most men don't.). I think that is an injustice to society as a whole.0 -
LiftingRiot wrote: »LiftingRiot wrote: »LiftingRiot wrote: »Cutaway_Collar wrote: »It's disheartening when women are fighting for their rights in this country at such a difficult period for women and gender equality , there are those in the country who still accept and defend the traditional yoke placed by our formerly patriarchial society.
I suggest renting the movie mona lisa smile and watching it 5 times. Humanity progresses on the day men and women are equal at home and outside (equal pay, more exexutives and increased role in religious hierarchies)
I hope I'm understanding this post correctly. If not, I apologize. Most people don't even respond but l, I'll bite.
Man, you are brainwashed in the worst way.
Staying at home is an honorable thing. I go to work to earn money - so we can live in a house and eat, you know, food. Have two cars and electricity. My beautiful bride stays and works at home. She does all the bills, stays on top of aforementioned food supplies, and invests herself into our only lasting legacy which is our children's lives. Could we have a lot more money if she kept working in her career field full time? Yeah. Can you take it with you when you die? Can it buy back all the time you gave to bratty teenagers working for low pay at day care centers full of screaming infants and toddlers that aren't being held enough?
No.
I am proud of my wife for staying home and blessing our kids with genuine love and care that nobody except she can provide. She can full time work again if she wants to but I don't care if she ever does. That girl is fine like French wine from a premium grape vine and she is to be cherished and valued. And one way I do that is supporting her in the care of our kids. If I don't work, she can't care for them. If she doesn't care for them, I can't work. Man, I don't even know what my paychecks are half the time. I don't care. I just go to work and do my best and excel.
The balance and beauty of equal relationship is already there, you're just too deep in the "feminist" mindset to see it. It is not "beneath" a woman to stay home and raise kids or tend to the home if she wants to do that. It's her career path and she does it well.
Stay at home parents rock, and I support every single stay at home mom up in here. Women have the right to choose to stay home or not stay home without somebody saying patriarchal this or bra burning that.
I happen to agree with Cutaway. There is a great divide amongst women and that is what he is talking about. On one half, women fight for equality, and the other women just want to stay home. If women just want to be taken care of, men pay for everything, shouldnt men get paid more because they are "supposed" to take care of the woman? Staying at home and taking care of a house and kids is not the hardest job in the world like people say. Especially if you have an "Alice". Youre on MFP 24/7 for crying out loud. I think there would be countless amounts of men that would stay at home to just take care of house and kids. Where is the equal number of women stepping up to that plate?
How is raising kids and taking care of a home a career path? This is what people that work do every day and they have an actual career.
It is important to raise kids and give them attention. I have an immense amount of respect for @happilymegan. She works and gives her son all the love he needs. She is a great mom and doesn't need to sit at home and have a man take care of her.
What do you do especially when kids start school? Is that why so many are on MFP posting selfies and trying to get compliments? Go to the gym whenever you want or play tennis? Talk about grueling.
There's one very important part of this equation you're minimalizing - the children. I'm a mom who also works full-time plus some. My own mother was a SAHM. I think kids benefit greatly from having a parent at home if possible (don't care if that parent is of the male or female variety). Someone to schedule and attend all the teacher's meetings, dentist appointments, soccer practices, piano lessons, etc, without the insane juggling act of also logging 50 hours at the office (most of those hours being the same ones all that other stuff needs to be crammed into). Not to mention homework, chores, cooking, extracurriculars. Do the rest of us who either have 2-parent working families or single-parent households make it work? Yea, but it sucks sometimes! Don't underestimate the importance of a stay-at-home parent for kids.
What Cuttaway and I are originally alluding to is equality. He was saying in the home, work, and even religion. I may have directed my statements towards women because the majority of stay at home parents is women. And this post is on a social site for goofing off while talking about the plight of the stay at home mother instead of a stay at home parent. It should be either parent staying home and there are benefits to a parent staying home. I would think there would be a greater number of SAHM dads if there was equality.
Majority of women if not all will preach equality when its in the sense of the workplace. I have seen very few preach equality in the homes. So is it equality that they really want?
You're alluding to the fact that you're both knuckleheads when it comes to this subject. He doesn't have any kids. When he starts rolling down that hill he can recheck in with us. I don't know jack about you except...
Knucklehead.
Women do have a right to choose just like men have a right to choose. For my family personally? She is the clear choice because she is genetically different than I am. She is much more patient with small children and generally has a greater skill set that comes with staying home and MANAGING our household.
She will probably work around our kids school hours when they are all of achool age. She has a technical degree and is great at her job. Until then? She is the manager of our house, our finances, and the large majority of the care of our children. I don't plop on the couch when I get home - I do what is asked of me. I do the dishes almost every night. I do the lawn. I do the vehicles. I do the heavy work and I happen to leave the house to work.
Her commute is just shorter.
If we both worked we would make it work- but what's the point? A bigger house? A fancier car? My stuff is old and used and I fix it myself. Our house is small but it's nice because I keep it up.
There's a lot of working families out there that are working two jobs instead of one just to pay for stuff they don't even need to impress people they don't even know or like. Stupid.
You are making it exceptionally clear you ain't nevah stayed home with a couple little monsters all day - and not once in a while and just putting them in front of electronics all day. Actually investing in them. It's hard to do that day after day and if you don't think so- just give it a shot for a week. Matter of fact put on a go pro so we can view it on YouTube.
Your getting hung up on the fact that nobody wants you to stay home? That nobody wants your bros to stay home? You ain't got the skillz to cash that check. Most men don't. Some do.
I'm referencing what I would call "average" families. If you're affluent enough to stay home and have a maid- good for you. That's not us, and that doesn't even make sense to me because it's out of my realm of understanding.
Just because there's not a check in the bank doesn't mean it isn't work.
This is the most sexist post of everyones I seen on this thread. Men are definitely good enough. I take care of my daughter very well and just as well as any woman. So you have no idea what your talking about and you are the biggest shame in this thread.LiftingRiot wrote: »LiftingRiot wrote: »LiftingRiot wrote: »Cutaway_Collar wrote: »It's disheartening when women are fighting for their rights in this country at such a difficult period for women and gender equality , there are those in the country who still accept and defend the traditional yoke placed by our formerly patriarchial society.
I suggest renting the movie mona lisa smile and watching it 5 times. Humanity progresses on the day men and women are equal at home and outside (equal pay, more exexutives and increased role in religious hierarchies)
I hope I'm understanding this post correctly. If not, I apologize. Most people don't even respond but l, I'll bite.
Man, you are brainwashed in the worst way.
Staying at home is an honorable thing. I go to work to earn money - so we can live in a house and eat, you know, food. Have two cars and electricity. My beautiful bride stays and works at home. She does all the bills, stays on top of aforementioned food supplies, and invests herself into our only lasting legacy which is our children's lives. Could we have a lot more money if she kept working in her career field full time? Yeah. Can you take it with you when you die? Can it buy back all the time you gave to bratty teenagers working for low pay at day care centers full of screaming infants and toddlers that aren't being held enough?
No.
I am proud of my wife for staying home and blessing our kids with genuine love and care that nobody except she can provide. She can full time work again if she wants to but I don't care if she ever does. That girl is fine like French wine from a premium grape vine and she is to be cherished and valued. And one way I do that is supporting her in the care of our kids. If I don't work, she can't care for them. If she doesn't care for them, I can't work. Man, I don't even know what my paychecks are half the time. I don't care. I just go to work and do my best and excel.
The balance and beauty of equal relationship is already there, you're just too deep in the "feminist" mindset to see it. It is not "beneath" a woman to stay home and raise kids or tend to the home if she wants to do that. It's her career path and she does it well.
Stay at home parents rock, and I support every single stay at home mom up in here. Women have the right to choose to stay home or not stay home without somebody saying patriarchal this or bra burning that.
I happen to agree with Cutaway. There is a great divide amongst women and that is what he is talking about. On one half, women fight for equality, and the other women just want to stay home. If women just want to be taken care of, men pay for everything, shouldnt men get paid more because they are "supposed" to take care of the woman? Staying at home and taking care of a house and kids is not the hardest job in the world like people say. Especially if you have an "Alice". Youre on MFP 24/7 for crying out loud. I think there would be countless amounts of men that would stay at home to just take care of house and kids. Where is the equal number of women stepping up to that plate?
How is raising kids and taking care of a home a career path? This is what people that work do every day and they have an actual career.
It is important to raise kids and give them attention. I have an immense amount of respect for @happilymegan. She works and gives her son all the love he needs. She is a great mom and doesn't need to sit at home and have a man take care of her.
What do you do especially when kids start school? Is that why so many are on MFP posting selfies and trying to get compliments? Go to the gym whenever you want or play tennis? Talk about grueling.
There's one very important part of this equation you're minimalizing - the children. I'm a mom who also works full-time plus some. My own mother was a SAHM. I think kids benefit greatly from having a parent at home if possible (don't care if that parent is of the male or female variety). Someone to schedule and attend all the teacher's meetings, dentist appointments, soccer practices, piano lessons, etc, without the insane juggling act of also logging 50 hours at the office (most of those hours being the same ones all that other stuff needs to be crammed into). Not to mention homework, chores, cooking, extracurriculars. Do the rest of us who either have 2-parent working families or single-parent households make it work? Yea, but it sucks sometimes! Don't underestimate the importance of a stay-at-home parent for kids.
What Cuttaway and I are originally alluding to is equality. He was saying in the home, work, and even religion. I may have directed my statements towards women because the majority of stay at home parents is women. And this post is on a social site for goofing off while talking about the plight of the stay at home mother instead of a stay at home parent. It should be either parent staying home and there are benefits to a parent staying home. I would think there would be a greater number of SAHM dads if there was equality.
Majority of women if not all will preach equality when its in the sense of the workplace. I have seen very few preach equality in the homes. So is it equality that they really want?
You're alluding to the fact that you're both knuckleheads when it comes to this subject. He doesn't have any kids. When he starts rolling down that hill he can recheck in with us. I don't know jack about you except...
Knucklehead.
Women do have a right to choose just like men have a right to choose. For my family personally? She is the clear choice because she is genetically different than I am. She is much more patient with small children and generally has a greater skill set that comes with staying home and MANAGING our household.
She will probably work around our kids school hours when they are all of achool age. She has a technical degree and is great at her job. Until then? She is the manager of our house, our finances, and the large majority of the care of our children. I don't plop on the couch when I get home - I do what is asked of me. I do the dishes almost every night. I do the lawn. I do the vehicles. I do the heavy work and I happen to leave the house to work.
Her commute is just shorter.
If we both worked we would make it work- but what's the point? A bigger house? A fancier car? My stuff is old and used and I fix it myself. Our house is small but it's nice because I keep it up.
There's a lot of working families out there that are working two jobs instead of one just to pay for stuff they don't even need to impress people they don't even know or like. Stupid.
You are making it exceptionally clear you ain't nevah stayed home with a couple little monsters all day - and not once in a while and just putting them in front of electronics all day. Actually investing in them. It's hard to do that day after day and if you don't think so- just give it a shot for a week. Matter of fact put on a go pro so we can view it on YouTube.
Your getting hung up on the fact that nobody wants you to stay home? That nobody wants your bros to stay home? You ain't got the skillz to cash that check. Most men don't. Some do.
I'm referencing what I would call "average" families. If you're affluent enough to stay home and have a maid- good for you. That's not us, and that doesn't even make sense to me because it's out of my realm of understanding.
Just because there's not a check in the bank doesn't mean it isn't work.
This is the most sexist post of everyones I seen on this thread. Men are definitely good enough. I take care of my daughter very well and just as well as any woman. So you have no idea what your talking about and you are the biggest shame in this thread.
Yeah you're right - there's no difference between men and women at all. I should be ashamed of myself for admitting she's much better at a number of things than I am.
Glad you're great at taking care of your daughter. Don't do it full time though it's not as valuable as any number of career choices you could be making out there in the real world.
End satire and I'm done white knighting.
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LiftingRiot wrote: »This is an interesting debate I say do what works for you but for us we budget well buy used cars purchased a foreclosed house I go to the clearance rack first and we do pretty well these things are done so I can sty home and perform a job the is priority for the hopefully successful raising of our children look around at our society, it's not as much as a priority these days as it should be
If I could stay home with my daughter everyday, plan events, raise her and guide her to being an honest, responsible, intelligent woman, I would rather than working. Just as women are not afforded the same rights as men in the work place, men are not afforded equal rights in the home (its a womans job and not a mans, or as @formerpl stated-You ain't got the skillz to cash that check. Most men don't.). I think that is an injustice to society as a whole.
This might sound like I'm uninformed and maybe I am but if a man and a woman. Both work at.. oh let's say Walmart as cashiers don't they get paid the same?1 -
LiftingRiot wrote: »This is an interesting debate I say do what works for you but for us we budget well buy used cars purchased a foreclosed house I go to the clearance rack first and we do pretty well these things are done so I can sty home and perform a job the is priority for the hopefully successful raising of our children look around at our society, it's not as much as a priority these days as it should be
If I could stay home with my daughter everyday, plan events, raise her and guide her to being an honest, responsible, intelligent woman, I would rather than working. Just as women are not afforded the same rights as men in the work place, men are not afforded equal rights in the home (its a womans job and not a mans, or as @formerpl stated-You ain't got the skillz to cash that check. Most men don't.). I think that is an injustice to society as a whole.
This might sound like I'm uninformed and maybe I am but if a man and a woman. Both work at.. oh let's say Walmart as cashiers don't they get paid the same?
I haven't worked for 17 years so maybe I don't know are we talking about corporate America or across the board?0 -
LiftingRiot wrote: »LiftingRiot wrote: »LiftingRiot wrote: »Cutaway_Collar wrote: »It's disheartening when women are fighting for their rights in this country at such a difficult period for women and gender equality , there are those in the country who still accept and defend the traditional yoke placed by our formerly patriarchial society.
I suggest renting the movie mona lisa smile and watching it 5 times. Humanity progresses on the day men and women are equal at home and outside (equal pay, more exexutives and increased role in religious hierarchies)
I hope I'm understanding this post correctly. If not, I apologize. Most people don't even respond but l, I'll bite.
Man, you are brainwashed in the worst way.
Staying at home is an honorable thing. I go to work to earn money - so we can live in a house and eat, you know, food. Have two cars and electricity. My beautiful bride stays and works at home. She does all the bills, stays on top of aforementioned food supplies, and invests herself into our only lasting legacy which is our children's lives. Could we have a lot more money if she kept working in her career field full time? Yeah. Can you take it with you when you die? Can it buy back all the time you gave to bratty teenagers working for low pay at day care centers full of screaming infants and toddlers that aren't being held enough?
No.
I am proud of my wife for staying home and blessing our kids with genuine love and care that nobody except she can provide. She can full time work again if she wants to but I don't care if she ever does. That girl is fine like French wine from a premium grape vine and she is to be cherished and valued. And one way I do that is supporting her in the care of our kids. If I don't work, she can't care for them. If she doesn't care for them, I can't work. Man, I don't even know what my paychecks are half the time. I don't care. I just go to work and do my best and excel.
The balance and beauty of equal relationship is already there, you're just too deep in the "feminist" mindset to see it. It is not "beneath" a woman to stay home and raise kids or tend to the home if she wants to do that. It's her career path and she does it well.
Stay at home parents rock, and I support every single stay at home mom up in here. Women have the right to choose to stay home or not stay home without somebody saying patriarchal this or bra burning that.
I happen to agree with Cutaway. There is a great divide amongst women and that is what he is talking about. On one half, women fight for equality, and the other women just want to stay home. If women just want to be taken care of, men pay for everything, shouldnt men get paid more because they are "supposed" to take care of the woman? Staying at home and taking care of a house and kids is not the hardest job in the world like people say. Especially if you have an "Alice". Youre on MFP 24/7 for crying out loud. I think there would be countless amounts of men that would stay at home to just take care of house and kids. Where is the equal number of women stepping up to that plate?
How is raising kids and taking care of a home a career path? This is what people that work do every day and they have an actual career.
It is important to raise kids and give them attention. I have an immense amount of respect for @happilymegan. She works and gives her son all the love he needs. She is a great mom and doesn't need to sit at home and have a man take care of her.
What do you do especially when kids start school? Is that why so many are on MFP posting selfies and trying to get compliments? Go to the gym whenever you want or play tennis? Talk about grueling.
There's one very important part of this equation you're minimalizing - the children. I'm a mom who also works full-time plus some. My own mother was a SAHM. I think kids benefit greatly from having a parent at home if possible (don't care if that parent is of the male or female variety). Someone to schedule and attend all the teacher's meetings, dentist appointments, soccer practices, piano lessons, etc, without the insane juggling act of also logging 50 hours at the office (most of those hours being the same ones all that other stuff needs to be crammed into). Not to mention homework, chores, cooking, extracurriculars. Do the rest of us who either have 2-parent working families or single-parent households make it work? Yea, but it sucks sometimes! Don't underestimate the importance of a stay-at-home parent for kids.
What Cuttaway and I are originally alluding to is equality. He was saying in the home, work, and even religion. I may have directed my statements towards women because the majority of stay at home parents is women. And this post is on a social site for goofing off while talking about the plight of the stay at home mother instead of a stay at home parent. It should be either parent staying home and there are benefits to a parent staying home. I would think there would be a greater number of SAHM dads if there was equality.
Majority of women if not all will preach equality when its in the sense of the workplace. I have seen very few preach equality in the homes. So is it equality that they really want?
You're alluding to the fact that you're both knuckleheads when it comes to this subject. He doesn't have any kids. When he starts rolling down that hill he can recheck in with us. I don't know jack about you except...
Knucklehead.
Women do have a right to choose just like men have a right to choose. For my family personally? She is the clear choice because she is genetically different than I am. She is much more patient with small children and generally has a greater skill set that comes with staying home and MANAGING our household.
She will probably work around our kids school hours when they are all of achool age. She has a technical degree and is great at her job. Until then? She is the manager of our house, our finances, and the large majority of the care of our children. I don't plop on the couch when I get home - I do what is asked of me. I do the dishes almost every night. I do the lawn. I do the vehicles. I do the heavy work and I happen to leave the house to work.
Her commute is just shorter.
If we both worked we would make it work- but what's the point? A bigger house? A fancier car? My stuff is old and used and I fix it myself. Our house is small but it's nice because I keep it up.
There's a lot of working families out there that are working two jobs instead of one just to pay for stuff they don't even need to impress people they don't even know or like. Stupid.
You are making it exceptionally clear you ain't nevah stayed home with a couple little monsters all day - and not once in a while and just putting them in front of electronics all day. Actually investing in them. It's hard to do that day after day and if you don't think so- just give it a shot for a week. Matter of fact put on a go pro so we can view it on YouTube.
Your getting hung up on the fact that nobody wants you to stay home? That nobody wants your bros to stay home? You ain't got the skillz to cash that check. Most men don't. Some do.
I'm referencing what I would call "average" families. If you're affluent enough to stay home and have a maid- good for you. That's not us, and that doesn't even make sense to me because it's out of my realm of understanding.
Just because there's not a check in the bank doesn't mean it isn't work.
This is the most sexist post of everyones I seen on this thread. Men are definitely good enough. I take care of my daughter very well and just as well as any woman. So you have no idea what your talking about and you are the biggest shame in this thread.
You can never completely give her what a mother can and vice versa . can't argue with mother nature both mother and father are " equally important " but can never be the same
Well put.
The idea that it is noble to "gray" out the nature of the sexes is foolish to me.
Hey guess what? My wife's earning potential is higher than mine. She would make the equivalent of 3 dollars more per hour than me if she worked full time (she works about 8 per week to keep her skills and credentials current and because she enjoys it)
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LiftingRiot wrote: »This is an interesting debate I say do what works for you but for us we budget well buy used cars purchased a foreclosed house I go to the clearance rack first and we do pretty well these things are done so I can sty home and perform a job the is priority for the hopefully successful raising of our children look around at our society, it's not as much as a priority these days as it should be
If I could stay home with my daughter everyday, plan events, raise her and guide her to being an honest, responsible, intelligent woman, I would rather than working. Just as women are not afforded the same rights as men in the work place, men are not afforded equal rights in the home (its a womans job and not a mans, or as @formerpl stated-You ain't got the skillz to cash that check. Most men don't.). I think that is an injustice to society as a whole.
This might sound like I'm uninformed and maybe I am but if a man and a woman. Both work at.. oh let's say Walmart as cashiers don't they get paid the same?
I haven't worked for 17 years so maybe I don't know are we talking about corporate America or across the board?
Please research on your own if you're really curious. It could be beneficial.2 -
LiftingRiot wrote: »LiftingRiot wrote: »This is an interesting debate I say do what works for you but for us we budget well buy used cars purchased a foreclosed house I go to the clearance rack first and we do pretty well these things are done so I can sty home and perform a job the is priority for the hopefully successful raising of our children look around at our society, it's not as much as a priority these days as it should be
If I could stay home with my daughter everyday, plan events, raise her and guide her to being an honest, responsible, intelligent woman, I would rather than working. Just as women are not afforded the same rights as men in the work place, men are not afforded equal rights in the home (its a womans job and not a mans, or as @formerpl stated-You ain't got the skillz to cash that check. Most men don't.). I think that is an injustice to society as a whole.
This might sound like I'm uninformed and maybe I am but if a man and a woman. Both work at.. oh let's say Walmart as cashiers don't they get paid the same?
I haven't worked for 17 years so maybe I don't know are we talking about corporate America or across the board?
Please research on your own if you're really curious. It could be beneficial.
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Feminists are fighting for the right to do what they choose to do, be that stay at home or work (for equal pay for equal work) outside the home. Men staying home with the children and doing the housework is also a valid choice, but one that is looked down on in society. I posit that most feminists (all of the ones I know, for sure) would agree that society is wrong to view a man who wants to stay home with the children as "weak", because they know that true equality can only be had when everyone has the right to choose what is best for themselves.
I, personally, am a SAHW. I have no children and will never have children, I do, however, have a mental illness that makes it difficult to hold down a job full time. I'm privileged enough to have a husband who makes enough to pay all the bills, so I don't HAVE to work outside the home, although money is quite tight. I may look for a part time job in the future, but I want to be a stay at home wife. I like working at home, although I'm not the best housewife in the world (my house is no where near neat and tidy). I've never wanted a career.2 -
Here's a thought that I adhere to: it's not about being equal it's about being fair I don't want to be equal men and women are different There's no way around it with that said if someone breaks into the house at night I'm damn sure not getting up to check on it. He is!!!
That is SOOOO right. The constitution doesn't not promise equality. It promises the opportunity to pursue a happiness.
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Here's a thought that I adhere to: it's not about being equal it's about being fair I don't want to be equal men and women are different There's no way around it with that said if someone breaks into the house at night I'm damn sure not getting up to check on it. He is!!!
That is SOOOO right. The constitution doesn't not promise equality. It promises the opportunity to pursue a happiness.
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This pisses me off because what about single dad's? What about same sex couples? (two dad's) I respected your love and respect for your wife but insinuating that women are better at it is just *kitten*.
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To be fair, I don't think this is what formerpl is sayin?. I think he was saying HIS wife is better at it. And I think someone (liftingriot?) implied that staying home and caring for the home and family wasn't hard work, hence formerpl's sarcastic remark about doing it full time not being valuable?
ANYhoo, I'll trade the snickers for my Lady Godiva dark chocolate sea salt now!
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Here's a thought that I adhere to: it's not about being equal it's about being fair I don't want to be equal men and women are different There's no way around it with that said if someone breaks into the house at night I'm damn sure not getting up to check on it. He is!!!
That is SOOOO right. The constitution doesn't not promise equality. It promises the opportunity to pursue a happiness. the constitution
shhhhhh. I don't think we're supposed to say that, either!
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Here's a thought that I adhere to: it's not about being equal it's about being fair I don't want to be equal men and women are different There's no way around it with that said if someone breaks into the house at night I'm damn sure not getting up to check on it. He is!!!
That is SOOOO right. The constitution doesn't not promise equality. It promises the opportunity to pursue a happiness. the constitution
shhhhhh. I don't think we're supposed to say that, either!
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This pisses me off because what about single dad's? What about same sex couples? (two dad's) I respected your love and respect for your wife but insinuating that women are better at it is just *kitten*.
Ok off to eat my snickers now.
Why can't women be ok that they are better at certain things than men are and visa versa?
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happilymegan wrote: »I don't think you meant any ill by this comment but it is comments like this one that effect men's rights when it comes to their children and custody. It's the mindset that women are superior in the home to men that prevent men from staying home with their children. It was an emasculating comment even if it wasn't meant to be.
My ex and I have 50-50 custody. Because he is his father and is just as important as I. For you to say that I can do the job of raising my child better than my ex can is flat out wrong. Aside from the first year of my sons life where I was his food source and his father couldn't supply him food there is no difference. My son is blessed with an incredible man as a father. And I can admit that often times he has been a better parent than myself.
Our child will grow up to be a good man. To be compassionate and kind to be hardworking to honest and loyal because both his parents raised him to be. And if he so chooses to stay home with his children I will commend him on that.
Here, here! What matters most to a child is the involvement of the parents, not the gender of the involved parents. Otherwise children of gay males would all grow up to horribly maladjusted, when that is just provably not the case. I point you toward Neil Patrick Harris and David Dutka(sp)'s children, from all accounts they are growing up to be fine, healthy, well adjusted, adorable children.
On the other end of the spectrum we have mothers like Casey Anthony. I realize she's an outlier, but to say that women are full stop better at raising children is doing a disservice to a great number of wonderful men. I'm no fan of the men's rights movement, but I do agree that in some cases men are overlooked by society.2 -
Cutaway_Collar wrote: »It's disheartening when women are fighting for their rights in this country at such a difficult period for women and gender equality , there are those in the country who still accept and defend the traditional yoke placed by our formerly patriarchial society.
I suggest renting the movie mona lisa smile and watching it 5 times. Humanity progresses on the day men and women are equal at home and outside (equal pay, more exexutives and increased role in religious hierarchies)
I hope I'm understanding this post correctly. If not, I apologize. Most people don't even respond but l, I'll bite.
Man, you are brainwashed in the worst way.
Staying at home is an honorable thing. I go to work to earn money - so we can live in a house and eat, you know, food. Have two cars and electricity. My beautiful bride stays and works at home. She does all the bills, stays on top of aforementioned food supplies, and invests herself into our only lasting legacy which is our children's lives. Could we have a lot more money if she kept working in her career field full time? Yeah. Can you take it with you when you die? Can it buy back all the time you gave to bratty teenagers working for low pay at day care centers full of screaming infants and toddlers that aren't being held enough?
No.
I am proud of my wife for staying home and blessing our kids with genuine love and care that nobody except she can provide. She can full time work again if she wants to but I don't care if she ever does. That girl is fine like French wine from a premium grape vine and she is to be cherished and valued. And one way I do that is supporting her in the care of our kids. If I don't work, she can't care for them. If she doesn't care for them, I can't work. Man, I don't even know what my paychecks are half the time. I don't care. I just go to work and do my best and excel.
The balance and beauty of equal relationship is already there, you're just too deep in the "feminist" mindset to see it. It is not "beneath" a woman to stay home and raise kids or tend to the home if she wants to do that. It's her career path and she does it well.
Stay at home parents rock, and I support every single stay at home mom up in here. Women have the right to choose to stay home or not stay home without somebody saying patriarchal this or bra burning that.
I agree with this very much. With one sole exception.
Say you discovered you were unable to have children. Like me. I wasn't able to. We weren't able to.
So I took the other route that @Cutaway_Collar states, and then had my furkids. Who may possibly be more spoiled than some human children. Its okay.....
Less, I might have been in the boat with alot of you with human kids. Staying at home with my child. They say if you were to pay a housewife for all the work she did, it would be in the six figures anually. And its okay for the fact that I am now my mothers mother. Roles do reverse later in life. I do have to change diapers, and alot of motherly things for my mother.0 -
Cutaway_Collar wrote: »
I politely disagree with you. I am proud of my working wife. She brings home a salary and I find it empowering. She is not going to stay at home when ae have children and I support that 100% because I am a modern man.Cutaway_Collar wrote: »It's disheartening when women are fighting for their rights in this country at such a difficult period for women and gender equality , there are those in the country who still accept and defend the traditional yoke placed by our formerly patriarchial society.
I suggest renting the movie mona lisa smile and watching it 5 times. Humanity progresses on the day men and women are equal at home and outside (equal pay, more exexutives and increased role in religious hierarchies)
I hope I'm understanding this post correctly. If not, I apologize. Most people don't even respond but l, I'll bite.
Man, you are brainwashed in the worst way.
Staying at home is an honorable thing. I go to work to earn money - so we can live in a house and eat, you know, food. Have two cars and electricity. My beautiful bride stays and works at home. She does all the bills, stays on top of aforementioned food supplies, and invests herself into our only lasting legacy which is our children's lives. Could we have a lot more money if she kept working in her career field full time? Yeah. Can you take it with you when you die? Can it buy back all the time you gave to bratty teenagers working for low pay at day care centers full of screaming infants and toddlers that aren't being held enough?
No.
I am proud of my wife for staying home and blessing our kids with genuine love and care that nobody except she can provide. She can full time work again if she wants to but I don't care if she ever does. That girl is fine like French wine from a premium grape vine and she is to be cherished and valued. And one way I do that is supporting her in the care of our kids. If I don't work, she can't care for them. If she doesn't care for them, I can't work. Man, I don't even know what my paychecks are half the time. I don't care. I just go to work and do my best and excel.
The balance and beauty of equal relationship is already there, you're just too deep in the "feminist" mindset to see it. It is not "beneath" a woman to stay home and raise kids or tend to the home if she wants to do that. It's her career path and she does it well.
Stay at home parents rock, and I support every single stay at home mom up in here. Women have the right to choose to stay home or not stay home without somebody saying patriarchal this or bra burning that.
She tells every young woman she comes across not to depend on a man for anything except the spouse part. And that is the reason I married her.
I love my mother very much. She was a stay at home mom and today she is old and alone. We have made sure she is happy but not a day passes I wished she kept her academic job. She was everything that is glorified about stay at home moms. But she didn't have one thing - independence, personal ambitions realized. She told me she dreamed of many things when she was a kid. And nothing happened. She delivered out two boys and dedicated everything she had to them and her husband. Worked well here. She has everything she needs now financially if not emotionally. But I can't say the same thing happened to a majority of the stay at home moms in the world.
No woman should depend on a man for a bank account or for personal decisions. It's 2017. Everyone should have a cheque book with direct deposit going in. That's the lesson we should teach to posterity.
Lots of stay at home moms have personal ambitions realized. Many find volunteering very rewarding, pursue other personal goals.
I don't think anyone really should judge the way others choose to live their lives because people can find any life rewarding whether it be raising their children or others' children, working in the corporate world, philanthropy. I know many incredibly interesting women who devoted their lives to their kids and now do all sorts of incredible things wit their talent and time2 -
Cutaway_Collar wrote: »
I politely disagree with you. I am proud of my working wife. She brings home a salary and I find it empowering. She is not going to stay at home when ae have children and I support that 100% because I am a modern man.Cutaway_Collar wrote: »It's disheartening when women are fighting for their rights in this country at such a difficult period for women and gender equality , there are those in the country who still accept and defend the traditional yoke placed by our formerly patriarchial society.
I suggest renting the movie mona lisa smile and watching it 5 times. Humanity progresses on the day men and women are equal at home and outside (equal pay, more exexutives and increased role in religious hierarchies)
I hope I'm understanding this post correctly. If not, I apologize. Most people don't even respond but l, I'll bite.
Man, you are brainwashed in the worst way.
Staying at home is an honorable thing. I go to work to earn money - so we can live in a house and eat, you know, food. Have two cars and electricity. My beautiful bride stays and works at home. She does all the bills, stays on top of aforementioned food supplies, and invests herself into our only lasting legacy which is our children's lives. Could we have a lot more money if she kept working in her career field full time? Yeah. Can you take it with you when you die? Can it buy back all the time you gave to bratty teenagers working for low pay at day care centers full of screaming infants and toddlers that aren't being held enough?
No.
I am proud of my wife for staying home and blessing our kids with genuine love and care that nobody except she can provide. She can full time work again if she wants to but I don't care if she ever does. That girl is fine like French wine from a premium grape vine and she is to be cherished and valued. And one way I do that is supporting her in the care of our kids. If I don't work, she can't care for them. If she doesn't care for them, I can't work. Man, I don't even know what my paychecks are half the time. I don't care. I just go to work and do my best and excel.
The balance and beauty of equal relationship is already there, you're just too deep in the "feminist" mindset to see it. It is not "beneath" a woman to stay home and raise kids or tend to the home if she wants to do that. It's her career path and she does it well.
Stay at home parents rock, and I support every single stay at home mom up in here. Women have the right to choose to stay home or not stay home without somebody saying patriarchal this or bra burning that.
She tells every young woman she comes across not to depend on a man for anything except the spouse part. And that is the reason I married her.
I love my mother very much. She was a stay at home mom and today she is old and alone. We have made sure she is happy but not a day passes I wished she kept her academic job. She was everything that is glorified about stay at home moms. But she didn't have one thing - independence, personal ambitions realized. She told me she dreamed of many things when she was a kid. And nothing happened. She delivered out two boys and dedicated everything she had to them and her husband. Worked well here. She has everything she needs now financially if not emotionally. But I can't say the same thing happened to a majority of the stay at home moms in the world.
No woman should depend on a man for a bank account or for personal decisions. It's 2017. Everyone should have a cheque book with direct deposit going in. That's the lesson we should teach to posterity.
Your wife is choosing to work. That's great that you support that. More people need to support that.
What if a man makes enough that his wife doesn't NEED to work, and she WANTS to spend her time raising her children? What if being a SAHM enables her personal ambitions, such as volunteering for a cause important to her or creating art while her kids are at school? Do you expect her to work when she doesn't want or need to just for "independence"?
And what if a family realizes that daycare and babysitters are more of a financial burden that the lower-income earner not working? Statistically, that's still the woman. Do you expect families to put themselves through financial hardship just so a woman can have direct deposit going in (with more going right back out)?3 -
I'm a SAHM. I tried to work when I moved here but never got much luck finding a job (French degree in English as a foreign language = not super useful in the US). Got two jobs that didn't pay well and where I was treated like *kitten*, then we got the kids.
Needless to say, I'd never make enough money (even if I found a job... never heard back every time I applied to anything) to pay for aftercare/camp for the Summer, without even talking about snow days, sick days and Holidays. So, I don't work. I do groceries, laundry, sorting clothes, cleaning, cooking, I pick up the kids, help with homework (not an easy task with my kids, let me tell you), take the kids to most of their activities in the evening, pay half the bills, and take care of the kids when school is off (and sometimes I help out working friends with theirs). I take the kids to doctor appointments etc. My husband does yard work because he enjoys it and repairs stuff around the house (after I nag him for a month or two, typically), and does help with the kids when it comes to cleaning their room (I don't have the patience to clean everyone else's mess, to be fair). All I expect really is for everyone else to pick up after themselves but that's a battle I have to fight every single day unfortunately (and not just with the kids).
The main issue really is the total lack of financial independence. I'm totally stuck and could never afford to leave. I look forward 10 years when my kids are in college and it just scares me... I'll just never be able to find a job and it's depressing to think about being stuck at home depending on my husband for the rest of my life.
But I do take time for myself - I have time to exercise and to relax a bit. It's obviously easier when the kids are in school. So for now, life is mostly good at least.
For what it's worth, one of my best friends is a SAHD and he absolutely loves it. It's really not just a woman thing. Everyone does what is right for their family.1 -
happilymegan wrote: »@formerpl
I don't think you meant any ill by this comment but it is comments like this one that effect men's rights when it comes to their children and custody. It's the mindset that women are superior in the home to men that prevent men from staying home with their children. It was an emasculating comment even if it wasn't meant to be.
My ex and I have 50-50 custody. Because he is his father and is just as important as I. For you to say that I can do the job of raising my child better than my ex can is flat out wrong. Aside from the first year of my sons life where I was his food source and his father couldn't supply him food there is no difference. My son is blessed with an incredible man as a father. And I can admit that often times he has been a better parent than myself.
Our child will grow up to be a good man. To be compassionate and kind to be hardworking to honest and loyal because both his parents raised him to be. And if he so chooses to stay home with his children I will commend him on that.
You're a real super hero in my book @happilymegan . I wish more women were like you. The fact you can raise your son, support his activities, take care of your own household, and work 3 jobs is amazing. It shows that people can do anything if they want to. You would be a great example for my daughter and you're a powerful woman and role model. I seriously wish you the best.3 -
I live in a rural area where I would be paying out about as much in childcare and travel expenses as I would be bringing in as income. With a husband that can be called away at odd hours, and travels regularly due to his job, it was decided it was most beneficial for our family if I stayed home. It was as much my decision as anything else.
Help help I'm being oppressed (.gif).2 -
I live in a rural area where I would be paying out about as much in childcare and travel expenses as I would be bringing in as income. With a husband that can be called away at odd hours, and travels regularly due to his job, it was decided it was most beneficial for our family if I stayed home. It was as much my decision as anything else.
Help help I'm being oppressed (.gif).
My husband works crazy hours too. He often thanks me for bringbhome which enables him to do his job which he loves. He also often makes more in a Month than some do in a year so our greed isn't such that we feel the need to amass wealthy. So I started home. Today I'll be taking the sister of a school mate of my son out to teach her skating. I'll often do that. It's like work but I do it because I love sharing something that I love and have a gift for. It's nice to be able to do things like make special cookies that take hours for school events, or teach people skating and not worry about getting paid for it.1 -
I live in a rural area where I would be paying out about as much in childcare and travel expenses as I would be bringing in as income. With a husband that can be called away at odd hours, and travels regularly due to his job, it was decided it was most beneficial for our family if I stayed home. It was as much my decision as anything else.
Help help I'm being oppressed (.gif).
My husband works crazy hours too. He often thanks me for bringbhome which enables him to do his job which he loves. He also often makes more in a Month than some do in a year so our greed isn't such that we feel the need to amass wealthy. So I started home. Today I'll be taking the sister of a school mate of my son out to teach her skating. I'll often do that. It's like work but I do it because I love sharing something that I love and have a gift for. It's nice to be able to do things like make special cookies that take hours for school events, or teach people skating and not worry about getting paid for it.
My husband makes roughly the same income as a teacher, so we would clearly benefit from me working if I could find something close (not even thinking daycare). But like your husband, mine adores his job and my staying home makes it much easier on him to do it. I take care of all the finances, so our running joke is he makes the money and I spend it.
I like being around during the day to help out other families with kids, too.
We are both happy and I don't see how the way we run our family possibly affects how others run theirs.3 -
Generally women who stay at home are lonely, don't get much done, and spend too much money. I would never agree to that and always dated women that have a career and use.
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