March 2017 Running Challenge
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Date Miles MTD ------ ----- ------- Mar 02 4.6T 4.6
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Very interesting discussion on marathon training, fueling, pace, HR, etc. Bookmarking some of this information to refer back to later. You can add me to the list of someone who also runs their long runs too fast and that's definitely something I'm going to be working on as I build my miles back up.
@lporter229 Thanks for posting that video, it definitely got me a little choked up.
3/1: 2 miles run/walk
3/2: rest
Total: 2/60 miles
Today was a rest day for me, though I still got up early to get some PT exercises in.0 -
3/1 6.3r + 4.2w
3/2 7.25r + 4.5w + 1000m row
Total so far: 13.55r + 8.7w = 22.25 miles
In trying to come up with a way to work different muscle groups, I decided to give rowing a go. I think I will be incorporating this into my workouts a couple times a week.
My left big toe hurts, the same one that was having toenail issues before. I think I may have an ingrown. I have never experienced an ingrown toenail before, though, so I'm not sure what to do about it. Are ingrown toenails a thing for runners, or am I just special?0 -
lporter229 wrote: »learn the value of good advice by not heeding it!
5km shorty along the Riverbank trails. I just struggled all the way. Usually if I am struggling I push through it by the 2km mark and then get in LSR Cruise mode, not tonight. So when I was going past the cul-de-sac cut off for my house I called it a day and walked home as a cool down and stretch. A short run is better than couch surfing.
03/01 7.0 km –7.0km –133.0 km – YTD 187.55
03/02 5.0 km –12.0km –128.0 km – YTD 192.55
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@MobyCarp @Stoshew71 @BeeerRunner @lporter229
The discussion on marathon training is SO helpful! Cheers to @MNLittleFinn for kicking it off.
I'm building miles, and aiming to increase from January's 27 km to a 30 km later this month, so should I stop running Saturday's 5K parkrun at speed?
ETA: parkrun is the only speed work I usually do. I've run 351 km (218 miles) so far this year.
A fast 5K once a week isn't going to hurt you. Running all your runs fast and none of them easy will.2 -
Also wanted to ask if anybody has recommendations for over the counter orthotics for extra support for over pronation? My PT mentioned it was something I could give a try if I wanted to, but it didn't sound like something that was vital. She said something inexpensive that I could get at a drug store or Walmart would probably work, but I stood at the store staring at them for 20 minutes yesterday before leaving with nothing. Anybody use some that they like?0
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March Running Totals (miles)
3/1 – 7.32 easy with hills
3/2 – 13.10 long intervals
March total to date – 20.42
Nominal Challenge Goal – 225 miles
Real Goals: Stay healthy. Train well toward Boston. Run well at the USATF Masters 8K Championship in Virginia Beach.
Today's notes – Today I ran 13 miles on an indoor track. It was not a long run. It was an interval workout. The long run will be Saturday, and it will be longer and slower.
The assignment today was 2 miles easy; 2 x (4 miles at MP, 1 mile at T); 1 mile easy. With the discussion of pace control fresh in everyone's mind, I'll say that I'm targeting easy between 7:45 and 8:15 per mile, MP at 7:30 per mile, and T on the track at 6:30 to 6:40 per mile.
Had to run this one on the upper track. It's not as nice as the standard track that was being cleaned up after a non-athletic event from yesterday, and there is some uncertainty about distance. It looks like a 200m track. There's a sign that says it's 8 laps to the mile. Coach tells me an honest 200m is one pole short of a full lap of the track, which would make 1600m about 7.75 laps and make 8 laps more than a mile. For a workout like this, I simply count 8 laps as a mile and call it close enough. Garmin, going by cadence, called it 13.10 miles; but I lapped the watch every 8 track laps, and Garmin had those distances ranging from 0.97 to 1.05 miles. So I can't really trust the fine detail in the Garmin distance without GPS.
Results: My mile splits came in as follows:
Easy 8:00, 7:52
MP 7:24, 7:22, 7:23, 7:21
T 6:41
MP 7:18, 7:18, 7:20, 7:21
T 6:46
Easy 8:17
The T intervals were truly lactic threshold effort. So either I'm a little off today, or the track is a little long. Which means I'm running the MP a bit faster than target, what a surprise. Part of that is a mental game, deliberately picking a slower target MP so that when I go faster I'm not killing myself. I notice that this type of workout is much easier this training cycle with a 7:30 target MP than it was last year when I targeted a 7:15 MP. 7:15 turned out to be too aggressive on race day. FWIW, depending on where I think my real T pace is the standard calculations think I can run MP anywhere from 6:56 to 7:09. I disagree.
And of course it's quite normal for my easy pace after running the speed intervals to be a bit slower than my easy pace when I'm fresh.
Average HR for the workout, 139. Max HR, 158. Definitely out of the range for an easy run, but this one wasn't supposed to be easy. When I looked at my HR during the MP intervals, I saw pretty consistent numbers from 140 to 142. Not terrible, but higher than it should be for easy. That's the difference between easy and MP.
Rest day tomorrow. Long run Saturday, outdoors, with a forecast of winter weather conditions. Should be fun.
2017 races:
January 1, 2017 Freezeroo #2 (Resolution Run 7.5 mile) (Mendon, NY) Finished in 50:45
January 7, 2017 Winter Warrior Half Marathon (Gates, NY) Finished in 1:32:40
January 14, 2017 Freezeroo #3 (Pineway Ponds Park 5 mile) (Spencerport, NY) Finished in 33:42
January 28, 2017 Freezeroo #4 (Hearnish 5 mile) (Victor, NY) short course, finished 4.88 miles in 32:50
February 4, 2017 USATF Cross Country National Championship Masters 8K (Bend, OR) Finished in 35:39, team won the 60+ Men's cross country championship
February 11, 2017 Freezeroo #5 (Valentines Run "In Memory of Tom Brannon" 8 Mile) (Greece, NY) sat out due to training schedule
February 25, 2017 Freezeroo #6 (White House Challenge 4.4 mile) (Webster, NY) short course, finished 4.34 miles in 27:51
March 11, 2017 Johnny's Runnin' of the Green 5 mile (Rochester, NY)
March 18, 2017 USATF Masters 8K Championship (Virginia Beach, VA)
April 17, 2017 Boston Marathon (Hopkinton, MA)
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@MNLittleFinn just prompting all the good marathon convos today! Glad to hear
you spotted your pacing issue! What were you aiming to run it in?
My treadmill needing to be lubed every 150 miles (1-2 times a month) is really starting to tick me off -_-
March 1- 15km
March 2- 18km
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3/2: Howdy! Was away last month in Hawaii. Ran there. But I'll do 150mi for March. Rest day today. 15mi hard tempo cycle in 49:20
3/1: 3mi med @ 7:50/mi.
Splits: 8:13, 7:33, 7:44
Total: 3/150mi
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@MobyCarp @Stoshew71 @BeeerRunner @lporter229
The discussion on marathon training is SO helpful! Cheers to @MNLittleFinn for kicking it off.
I'm building miles, and aiming to increase from January's 27 km to a 30 km later this month, so should I stop running Saturday's 5K parkrun at speed?
ETA: parkrun is the only speed work I usually do. I've run 351 km (218 miles) so far this year.
A fast 5K once a week isn't going to hurt you. Running all your runs fast and none of them easy will.
Awesome! Very happy to hear you say that, @MobyCarp
@ariceroni @ROBOTFOOD Welcome back!!2 -
03/03 - +4.4miles - Increased pace intervals
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March goal: stay healthy and continue training for Grandma's.
Nominal mileage goal: 175
3/1- 6.15
3/2- REST
3/3- No RUN. Stopped before I really got going
Total: 6.15
Today's notes: After more than a week of worrying about my left shin, it's my right knee that's the real issue. I started out on my 3 miler and had to stop about 100 yards in. My knee hurt bad enough that I knew that running anymore would be a bad idea. Good thing I have that DR appointment today, looks like I'll be bringing that up too.
There goes my monthly mileage goal, I have a feeling I'll be taking a somewhat extended layoff from running starting today. I just hope I'll still be able to do the marathon in 3.5 months, but only time will tell.
Feeling pretty down right now.0 -
@MNLittleFinn Sorry to hear about your knee. Rest it up, you've still got plenty of time until your race.
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Today was another one of those long run days; shouldn't be too long now before I switch up to the 20-mile course for my Friday run - maybe another couple of weeks or so.
01 - 13.30
02 - 9.87
03 - 18.13
Total: 41.30 / 2002 -
@MNLittleFinn Good call stopping your run instead of running through the pain. I hope you doctor's appointment goes well and all you need is a few days off
3/1: 2 miles run/walk
3/2: rest
3/3: 3.1 miles
Total: 5.1/60 miles
Holy ice! I didn't realize how slippery the roads were otherwise I would have chosen to go to the gym or run later. Took it very slow and had to either run in the middle of the road where there was lesser ice or through the snow on the grass in order to stay upright. Still has a few close calls. Ended up with 3.1 miles in 34:10. Running intervals of 0.75/0.25/0.75/0.25/0.75 miles with either 30 or 60 seconds walking between running intervals. Running intervals were all between 10 and 10:30 min/mile (got faster as the run progressed and I could tell were the icy spots were better).1 -
RespectTheKitty wrote: »3/1 6.3r + 4.2w
3/2 7.25r + 4.5w + 1000m row
Total so far: 13.55r + 8.7w = 22.25 miles
In trying to come up with a way to work different muscle groups, I decided to give rowing a go. I think I will be incorporating this into my workouts a couple times a week.
My left big toe hurts, the same one that was having toenail issues before. I think I may have an ingrown. I have never experienced an ingrown toenail before, though, so I'm not sure what to do about it. Are ingrown toenails a thing for runners, or am I just special?
Here's my two cents, lol. I never had true ingrown toenails but have dealt with many an infected toenail. Primarily during the many years that I danced. Most often it would be on a big toe, where one corner would become pink, puffy, and painful and usually end up quite pus-filled. I'm sure it was caused by a combination of tight, restrictive shoes (pointe /ballet/jazz/etc shoe) and probably a toenail that wasn't cut quite right in the corner, or was just digging in. I have had a couple while running as well.
My favorite cure is a wet bandage. Boil some water, and dissolve a bunch of epsom salts in it. Cut a length of non-adhesive guaze from a roll and saturate in the hot epsom water solution. Wrap toe in bandage and cover toe with a plastic sandwich baggie. Find a way to secure baggie around toe (scrunch up and twist the excess baggie and secure with string or a rubber band, making sure not to cut off circulation, lol). Wear overnight while you sleep and remove in the morning. My dad learned this technique many many years ago, when he had actual legit ingrown toenails, from his doctor, before he ended up having surgery for it.4 -
@garygse @OSUbuckeye906 Thanks guys. I started my training plan 2 weeks early, so "hopefully" That gives me enough cushion to take time off and train up enough to run/walk the thing.
There's another MFPer running it who was going to be taking it easy....as if you can take a marathon easy....so if I can recover in time to do something, that's always a possibility (7 hour time limit makes it a doable, if VERY long walk....I've walked that far in a day before)
All that said, I'm going to be listening to EVERYTHING my Dr. Says, even if it kills my chances at my June marathon, health has to come first. I have a fall marathon on the schedule as well so, worst case, I should be able to get in a full this calendar year.4 -
Everyone who runs with their doggies, especially trail runs need one of these!
http://www.autoblog.com/2017/03/01/nissan-x-trail-4dog-concept-dog-lovers-car/?ncid=edlinkusauto00000016
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3/1 6
3/2 4.5 + 6 x strength circuits
3/3 *on tap for tonight* 10 miles
10.5 (tentatively 20.5 assuming 10 tonight)/175
Was loving reading all the previous comments about pacing/bonking (not the British kind! lol) during the marathon. It brought back memories of my first marathon, Baltimore in 2000, a race I had no idea what I was getting into. Ran 1 long run of maybe 19 miles in training. Made every single rookie mistake you can make in that race: ate "weird" food the morning of (what was I thinking by eating peanut butter? A food that doesn't agree with me on normal days...), wore a cotton shirt and old soccer shorts (hello, chafe), paced crazy and PRed the first 1/2 of the race, legitimately text-book bonked in the second half. Was so out of it I was even pouring gatorade over my head and drinking water. Took me forever to figure out why my hands, face and hair were so sticky at the finish. It took me 2 years to get up the courage to try that distance again, with a training plan!
Ahhh, the memories!7 -
I'm going to shoot for 65 miles this month!3
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