Apparently fat acceptance is a civil rights issue
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BowlingForHollars wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
True, but is it really discrimination?Ironandwine69 wrote: »Diets don't fail. People do.
With that said, discrimination of any kind is wrong
Is having to buy two plane tickets because you take up two seats discrimination?
Is not being allowed on a zip line because you exceed the weight limit discrimination?
No, but being fired or threatened with being fired, or not hired at all is. Being insulted out of restaurants or refused service due to weight is, or being charged for services where your weight has not yet been an issue, but "could" be, such as health incentives at work that look only at weight or BMI instead of actual medical records.
This is discrimination.My friend suffers from chronic migraines. She went to a doctor to try and find a reason. He told her it was because she's overweight. She's had migraines since she was young and skinny, but he said it was because of her weight. Discrimination against the obese in the medical world is rampant.
This is a misdiagnosis.
A diagnosis that was made based solely on her appearance. It was discrimination.3 -
MrStabbems wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »My friend suffers from chronic migraines. She went to a doctor to try and find a reason. He told her it was because she's overweight. She's had migraines since she was young and skinny, but he said it was because of her weight. Discrimination against the obese in the medical world is rampant.
That's called a *kitten* doctor not discrimination lol
She was treated unjustly because of her weight. I would call that discrimination and a *kitten* doctor.
unjustly how?
He took one look at her and diagnosed her migraines as being caused by fat. Clearly nothing else could be causing them. Just weight. Even though she had them when she wasn't fat. If she were skinny, what would he blame them on?
honestly I know it's ur friend but ur not seeing this logically.
there is evidence to suggest obesity and headaches are linked. The doctor might be right, It might be an avenue to explore. I once had a guy come in our department having had a ton of scans to determine why he has shortness of breath. No one wanted to point out that being morbidly obese might be the likely culprit and we should look at this first to see if it solves the issue.
sometimes the obvious is the answer.
So I'm gathering you missed the part where I said she had migraines even when she was thin?2 -
MrStabbems wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »My friend suffers from chronic migraines. She went to a doctor to try and find a reason. He told her it was because she's overweight. She's had migraines since she was young and skinny, but he said it was because of her weight. Discrimination against the obese in the medical world is rampant.
That's called a *kitten* doctor not discrimination lol
She was treated unjustly because of her weight. I would call that discrimination and a *kitten* doctor.
unjustly how?
He took one look at her and diagnosed her migraines as being caused by fat. Clearly nothing else could be causing them. Just weight. Even though she had them when she wasn't fat. If she were skinny, what would he blame them on?
honestly I know it's ur friend but ur not seeing this logically.
there is evidence to suggest obesity and headaches are linked. The doctor might be right, It might be an avenue to explore. I once had a guy come in our department having had a ton of scans to determine why he has shortness of breath. No one wanted to point out that being morbidly obese might be the likely culprit and we should look at this first to see if it solves the issue.
sometimes the obvious is the answer.
So I'm gathering you missed the part where I said she had migraines even when she was thin?
nope I notice that I just ignored it because it doesn't carry as much relevance as u think. She may be predisposed to migraines and her weight has made it worse. When looking at patients you have to consider medical history but you have to treat and diagnose current problems.
The doctor may be right he may be wrong but he certainly hasn't discriminated against her. That's a weak link at best.5 -
BowlingForHollars wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
True, but is it really discrimination?Ironandwine69 wrote: »Diets don't fail. People do.
With that said, discrimination of any kind is wrong
Is having to buy two plane tickets because you take up two seats discrimination?
Is not being allowed on a zip line because you exceed the weight limit discrimination?
No, but being fired or threatened with being fired, or not hired at all is. Being insulted out of restaurants or refused service due to weight is, or being charged for services where your weight has not yet been an issue, but "could" be, such as health incentives at work that look only at weight or BMI instead of actual medical records.
This is discrimination.My friend suffers from chronic migraines. She went to a doctor to try and find a reason. He told her it was because she's overweight. She's had migraines since she was young and skinny, but he said it was because of her weight. Discrimination against the obese in the medical world is rampant.
This is a misdiagnosis.
A diagnosis that was made based solely on her appearance. It was discrimination.
It's not discrimination. Again, it's just being a sucky doctor2 -
MrStabbems wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »My friend suffers from chronic migraines. She went to a doctor to try and find a reason. He told her it was because she's overweight. She's had migraines since she was young and skinny, but he said it was because of her weight. Discrimination against the obese in the medical world is rampant.
That's called a *kitten* doctor not discrimination lol
She was treated unjustly because of her weight. I would call that discrimination and a *kitten* doctor.
unjustly how?
He took one look at her and diagnosed her migraines as being caused by fat. Clearly nothing else could be causing them. Just weight. Even though she had them when she wasn't fat. If she were skinny, what would he blame them on?
honestly I know it's ur friend but ur not seeing this logically.
there is evidence to suggest obesity and headaches are linked. The doctor might be right, It might be an avenue to explore. I once had a guy come in our department having had a ton of scans to determine why he has shortness of breath. No one wanted to point out that being morbidly obese might be the likely culprit and we should look at this first to see if it solves the issue.
sometimes the obvious is the answer.
So I'm gathering you missed the part where I said she had migraines even when she was thin?
nope I notice that I just ignored it because it doesn't carry as much relevance as u think. She may be predisposed to migraines and her weight has made it worse. When looking at patients you have to consider medical history but you have to treat and diagnose current problems.
The doctor maybe right he maybe wrong but he certainly hasn't discriminated against her. That's a weak link at best.
He TOLD her her migraines were CAUSED by her obesity. NOT THAT IT WAS MAKING IT WORSE. How could her obesity CAUSE migraines when she had them BEFORE she was obese? What if she had a brain aneurysm? What if she died due to his negligence because all he was willing to do was give her one look and assume that all of her problems are caused by weight? How can anyone think that it was anything other than discrimination? I don't know how to say it to make it any simpler. I give up.6 -
MrStabbems wrote: »I find it odd that they refer to overweight people as fat people.
It is about making the word "fat" less powerful.0 -
leut_underpants wrote: »Bias isn't discrimination.
Bias is literally a synonym of discrimination.4 -
seriously being tall is sometimes a hassle , i hit my head sometimes on ceiling fans , i should sue5
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MrStabbems wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »My friend suffers from chronic migraines. She went to a doctor to try and find a reason. He told her it was because she's overweight. She's had migraines since she was young and skinny, but he said it was because of her weight. Discrimination against the obese in the medical world is rampant.
That's called a *kitten* doctor not discrimination lol
She was treated unjustly because of her weight. I would call that discrimination and a *kitten* doctor.
unjustly how?
He took one look at her and diagnosed her migraines as being caused by fat. Clearly nothing else could be causing them. Just weight. Even though she had them when she wasn't fat. If she were skinny, what would he blame them on?
honestly I know it's ur friend but ur not seeing this logically.
there is evidence to suggest obesity and headaches are linked. The doctor might be right, It might be an avenue to explore. I once had a guy come in our department having had a ton of scans to determine why he has shortness of breath. No one wanted to point out that being morbidly obese might be the likely culprit and we should look at this first to see if it solves the issue.
sometimes the obvious is the answer.
So I'm gathering you missed the part where I said she had migraines even when she was thin?
nope I notice that I just ignored it because it doesn't carry as much relevance as u think. She may be predisposed to migraines and her weight has made it worse. When looking at patients you have to consider medical history but you have to treat and diagnose current problems.
The doctor maybe right he maybe wrong but he certainly hasn't discriminated against her. That's a weak link at best.
He TOLD her her migraines were CAUSED by her obesity. NOT THAT IT WAS MAKING IT WORSE. How could her obesity CAUSE migraines when she had them BEFORE she was obese? What if she had a brain aneurysm? What if she died due to his negligence because all he was willing to do was give her one look and assume that all of her problems are caused by weight? How can anyone think that it was anything other than discrimination? I don't know how to say it to make it any simpler. I give up.
Oh jebus. Ok so obesity can cause migraines, like many other things can. I can link you articles proving this if u like.
you, me and your friend are unaware of the method if diagnoses the doctor used to come to his conclusion. He may have his reasons to believe obesity is the cause. Now cause doesn't always include past history, the doc could have discounted previous episodes and decide the most recent are caused by the obesity. again the dude is the doctor, he's had years of training and edumication.
brain aneurysms and death have nothing to do with this discussion lol we talking about his alleged discrimination not negligence.
I think ya'll just don't want to hear some uncomfortable truths.
exercise and diet changes are key in this situation as they've been proven to help with migraines caused by obesity. This may be the doctors first recommendation and If it doesn't work they they might look at other options for the cause.
This 100% not discrimination.5 -
Girl_With_Muscles_ wrote: »I don't know what's going on here but carry on
Hi !0 -
I sure would hate being a fat vegan living in your neighborhood.9
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I am fat. I am no longer offended by people using an accurate descriptor to describe me. I don't think it's wrong to charge more for plus-sized clothing because more material is used. I don't think it's wrong to charge for 2 seats if you take up more than one seat.
However, not being hired for a job or being charged extra for services where a person's size or weight does not require more labor or material on the provider's part is ridiculous. I'm sure it has happened to me in the past, but I've lived with it all my life so I've never really been aware that it was actually happening.
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leut_underpants wrote: »Bias isn't discrimination.
until it results in inequity (or a discriminatory act)
In this example, the doctor's bias resulted in discrimination (not necessarily conscious and most certainly part of a larger pattern of discrimination following from biased assumptions about patients based on one or more facets of their identities)
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Girl_With_Muscles_ wrote: »Motorsheen wrote: »I sure would hate being a fat vegan living in your neighborhood.
I'm so glad your just a bacon eating crazy person like the rest of us.
Thank you..... although lately it's been too hot to eat.
Eating when it's 107 degrees outside isn't appealing.0 -
Girl_With_Muscles_ wrote: »I am fat. I am no longer offended by people using an accurate descriptor to describe me. I don't think it's wrong to charge more for plus-sized clothing because more material is used. I don't think it's wrong to charge for 2 seats if you take up more than one seat.
However, not being hired for a job or being charged extra for services where a person's size or weight does not require more labor or material on the provider's part is ridiculous. I'm sure it has happened to me in the past, but I've lived with it all my life so I've never really been aware that it was actually happening.
Mandy you are not fat.. you have fat. You also have finger nails and hair and skin but you're not skin, nails nor are you hair
What you are is kind, smart, loving, caring and hard working
You're brave, inspirational and a great human being.
Trooth!1 -
MrStabbems wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »My friend suffers from chronic migraines. She went to a doctor to try and find a reason. He told her it was because she's overweight. She's had migraines since she was young and skinny, but he said it was because of her weight. Discrimination against the obese in the medical world is rampant.
That's called a *kitten* doctor not discrimination lol
She was treated unjustly because of her weight. I would call that discrimination and a *kitten* doctor.
unjustly how?
He took one look at her and diagnosed her migraines as being caused by fat. Clearly nothing else could be causing them. Just weight. Even though she had them when she wasn't fat. If she were skinny, what would he blame them on?
honestly I know it's ur friend but ur not seeing this logically.
there is evidence to suggest obesity and headaches are linked. The doctor might be right, It might be an avenue to explore. I once had a guy come in our department having had a ton of scans to determine why he has shortness of breath. No one wanted to point out that being morbidly obese might be the likely culprit and we should look at this first to see if it solves the issue.
sometimes the obvious is the answer.
So I'm gathering you missed the part where I said she had migraines even when she was thin?
nope I notice that I just ignored it because it doesn't carry as much relevance as u think. She may be predisposed to migraines and her weight has made it worse. When looking at patients you have to consider medical history but you have to treat and diagnose current problems.
The doctor maybe right he maybe wrong but he certainly hasn't discriminated against her. That's a weak link at best.
He TOLD her her migraines were CAUSED by her obesity. NOT THAT IT WAS MAKING IT WORSE. How could her obesity CAUSE migraines when she had them BEFORE she was obese? What if she had a brain aneurysm? What if she died due to his negligence because all he was willing to do was give her one look and assume that all of her problems are caused by weight? How can anyone think that it was anything other than discrimination? I don't know how to say it to make it any simpler. I give up.
Oh jebus. Ok so obesity can cause migraines, like many other things can. I can link you articles proving this if u like.
you, me and your friend are unaware of the method if diagnoses the doctor used to come to his conclusion. He may have his reasons to believe obesity is the cause. Now cause doesn't always include past history, the doc could have discounted previous episodes and decide the most recent are caused by the obesity. again the dude is the doctor, he's had years of training and edumication.
brain aneurysms and death have nothing to do with this discussion lol we talking about his alleged discrimination not negligence.
I think ya'll just don't want to hear some uncomfortable truths.
exercise and diet changes are key in this situation as they've been proven to help with migraines caused by obesity. This may be the doctors first recommendation and If it doesn't work they they might look at other options for the cause.
This 100% not discrimination.
100% your opinion. Doesn't mean it's right. It didn't happen to you, so you trying to demean someone else's experience just because you don't believe it to be discrimination doesn't mean it wasn't discrimination. I can show you articles as well of studies where doctors don't spend as much time with obese patients and fail to refer them for diagnostic tests. Doctors that thought treating obese patients was a waste of their time. Yeah these doctors are dicks, but discrimination is happening, whether you see it or not.3 -
I'm quite surprised at the lack of awareness people have about the medical professions.
You can't just say "PT has headaches, it's because she's the size of my 4x4. it's definitely this because I said so"
there is a *kitten* load.of paperwork, you have to say what your doing, why you're doing it, your clinical reasoning, the outcome of tests, the risk factors, and the diagnoses. You HAVE to go through certain steps.
the doctor would have their reasons and I can almost guarantee it's not just "because she's a fatty"8
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