What terms/phrases wind you up about losing weight?
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No, because you are comparing specific body weights and relative mass without regard to composition.LovesDogsAndBooks wrote: »This is just a thought about the discussion "muscle weighs more than fat". I believe most people know and mean that per volume unit muscle is heavier because it's denser, and that they know that one pound weighs as much as another pound. By the logic of people who consider this a wrong statement, wouldn't it also be wrong to say my husband is heavier than I am? His fat per volume unit weighs the same as mine, his muscle per volume unit weighs the same, yet due to his higher volume he weighs more.
Referencing muscle vs fat is specific to composition.
You are leaving out the mass and weight of the skeletal system, organs and a lot more.
If you wanted to try and compare your specific lean body mass then you might have a case, depending on your body fat percentages.
That proves the point that people may not really understand what they think they are saying.
So, I get at least a point for not being completely wrong?
I didn't mention bones, water, hair, etc. because the issue is muscle and fat. I do believe that most people when they say muscle is heavier than fat know that a pound of muscle weighs the same as a pound of fat. It may not be the most accurate way of wording it, but I think it means the right thing. 3 -
LovesDogsAndBooks wrote: »This is just a thought about the discussion "muscle weighs more than fat". I believe most people know and mean that per volume unit muscle is heavier because it's denser, and that they know that one pound weighs as much as another pound. By the logic of people who consider this a wrong statement, wouldn't it also be wrong to say my husband is heavier than I am? His fat per volume unit weighs the same as mine, his muscle per volume unit weighs the same, yet due to his higher volume he weighs more.
Well, I have to say, that's the most convoluted leap of logic I've ever seen in relation to the "muscle weighs more than fat" phrase. Congratulations!
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chaosbutterfly wrote: »LovesDogsAndBooks wrote: »This is just a thought about the discussion "muscle weighs more than fat". I believe most people know and mean that per volume unit muscle is heavier because it's denser, and that they know that one pound weighs as much as another pound. By the logic of people who consider this a wrong statement, wouldn't it also be wrong to say my husband is heavier than I am? His fat per volume unit weighs the same as mine, his muscle per volume unit weighs the same, yet due to his higher volume he weighs more.
Nah
If your husband gets on a scale, does the number register as higher than your weight or not?
That's it.
We can get into the weeds of if your husband has more lean mass than you or if your husband occupies more volume than you, sure.
But from a purely semantic POV, if your husband is 200 lbs and you're 150 lbs, there's nothing else to say.
He's heavier than you. He weighs more than you. That's it.
Which is why I can't stand it.
Someone can say, oh muscle is denser than fat and I have no problem.
Or muscle takes up LESS space than fat, cool.
Muscle burns more calories than fat, sure.
Muscle looks better than fat...a matter of opinion, but I'll allow it.
But muscle weighs more than fat, NO.
One oz of muscle weighs the same as an oz of fat, full stop.
Words mean thingsssss. They meannnn thingggsssssss goddamnit!! THERE ARE RULES.
I get what you're saying, and thanks for the reply!2 -
Ha! I was specifically wondering if a two story drop would make any difference in the wind resistance of the banana's shape as compared to the relatively more streamlined shape of a ball, thus effecting when it reaches terminal velocity, lol. Also - I took 1 physics class 20 years ago, and I think I got a 'C' on that test, sooooo - I may have no idea what I'm talking about
I would, however, wager that it's easier for the banana to put on a parachute that it is for the bowling ball
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Wind resistance is negligible, even approaching terminal velocity unless the overall MASS (wind resistance might generate *some* heat/friction) or SHAPE (could modify direction/speed) somehow catches or deflects the wind (i.e. a leaf falling, parachute, Bernoulli principle, etc.).Ha! I was specifically wondering if a two story drop would make any difference in the wind resistance of the banana's shape as compared to the relatively more streamlined shape of a ball, thus effecting when it reaches terminal velocity, lol. Also - I took 1 physics class 20 years ago, and I think I got a 'C' on that test, sooooo - I may have no idea what I'm talking about
I would, however, wager that it's easier for the banana to put on a parachute that it is for the bowling ball
You are dropping them towards the larger gravity mass of the Earth itself so barring wind deflection -I deliberately did not include any sort of flat object that might do so- the answer is counter-intuitive and goes against "common sense".
Since I have never tried to put a parachute on a bowling ball, feel free to perform a simple physics / science experiment:
Pick two items, guess which will hit the ground first and then drop one item from each hand at the same time off your deck or stairs.
You may need a few tries and/or to take a video with your phone (watch in slow-motion) to see it clearly.
* Aerodynamics are not my specialty (I'm an Electrical Engineer) so I could have some of the details wrong also.2 -
Wind resistance is negligible, even approaching terminal velocity unless the overall MASS or SHAPE somehow catches or deflects the wind (i.e. a leaf falling, Bernoulli principle, etc.).Ha! I was specifically wondering if a two story drop would make any difference in the wind resistance of the banana's shape as compared to the relatively more streamlined shape of a ball, thus effecting when it reaches terminal velocity, lol. Also - I took 1 physics class 20 years ago, and I think I got a 'C' on that test, sooooo - I may have no idea what I'm talking about
I would, however, wager that it's easier for the banana to put on a parachute that it is for the bowling ball
You are dropping them towards the larger gravity mass of the Earth itself so barring wind deflection -I deliberately did not include any sort of flat object that might do so- the answer is counter-intuitive and goes against "common sense".
Feel free to Google the answer, since I have never tried to put a parachute on a bowling ball.
It would definitely need some type of harness or Gorilla Glue. Ooooh - did I just come up with a new commercial?!2 -
For me? (unpopular?) it's "IFFYM" and "in moderation". Without context both seem meaningless..0
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dale050467 wrote: »using loose instead of lose
English speaking grammer Nazis who seem to assume that everyone who communicates in English speaks English as a first language and must therefore be perfect at it.
I corrected my mistake Herr Generaloberst.
Huh. Loose and lose. See the thing is they are two different words with two different meanings. It's nothing to do with grammar Nazism - because it isn't grammar. The opposite of loose is tight, the opposite of lose is gain. You might as well say " I want to apricot weight" because it makes as much sense.
I bolded your statement because I fail to understand why you took offence to learning something new - if English is indeed a second language for you then you now know the difference and can use either word correctly in the future. "Ich bien ein berliner" if you see what I mean?
I took offense to the need of someone to sarcastically point out something that is obviousely a simple spelling mistake. There was absolutely no lesson in that post. Also, I said English was my second language and implied that I may therefore make more mistakes than people who speak English as a first language. I did not say I was an idiot.
Once again thanks for the arrogance.
You're taking this awfully personally. Maybe you don't spend a lot of time on the MFP forums, but lose/loose is a very common mistake on MFP (including by people who clearly speak English as their first language). It seems unlikely that whoever posted this was aiming their post specifically at you.3 -
tlanger251 wrote: »I hate the word "journey" in the same way I hate when someone says, "the moon must be full." ummm... you do know that the moon is "always full" right????
So you assume that when people say "the moon must be full," they mean "the heavenly wolf that pursues the moon goddess and consumes her must have vomited her back up," rather than "it must be that point in the lunar month when the entire surface of the moon we can see from earth is reflecting sunlight toward us"?7 -
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This thread was a journey. I don't really have anything to add since everything I can think of has been said. I'm also guilty of at least one thing mentioned, but I'm not going to confess which one it is. LOL.9
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crooked_left_hook wrote: »"Clean eating". There are children literally starving to death in Venezuela. Mothers are picking scraps out of trash cans to keep their babies alive. Meanwhile the developed world is yapping about their "clean eating diet". I'm so sick of hearing about people's first world elitist food snobbery. Just shut it and be happy you have food at all, let alone the choice to decide if it's "clean" or not. I'll just be over here losing weight eating what ever the *kitten* I want and being grateful for the privilege to do so.
I heart this.5 -
I don't like the posts that say " help! I have an event of some sort ( that I had to have known about for months) coming up in 3 weeks, I need to lose 50 lbs instantly!" Or what have you...3
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Alatariel75 wrote: »I don't get why people get so butthurt when someone corrects loose to lose. Are we so delicate as a society that is better to be allowed to be wrong than be corrected and learn? I'd rather learn of a misspelling on MFP than after i put the wrong word in a presentation at work....
You should always use a capital "I" then. Glad I can help you. You wouldn't want to make the same mistake at work.
I'm not too bothered about grammar and spelling on MFP forums.
I'm okay with the use of the word "journey" too.
One thing that annoys me is when people, especially the OP, start their statement/question/thread with "so".
-so I'm going to a restaurant...
-so I've been trying/doing...
-so my friend said...4 -
Loose/lose just makes me laugh. I have this visual image of someone gratefully or even prayerfully loosing all their fat out into the universe, where it settles on some poor unsuspecting soul, who must then either loose it again into the ether or just accept the gift that the universe gave them. Kinda like the old cartoons of the babies waiting in heaven for the storks to drop them into the houses below.11
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God! Would you two get a room?4
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The loose/lose thing is part of this site. Take a deep breath and get over it.
P.s the stuff that amuses is.
People who get dramatic over someone who wants to tone
The use of cleanses and juices
People who get dramatic over people who dont want visible muscles
The i hate cardio debates
The i hate weight lifting debates
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- cheat day/ meal - so frustrating and self-hating. Of course everyone will have a bigger meal every now and then, it's perfectly normal. No cheating involved.
- Lol. Ok, I'm showing my age here (an ancient 41 year old here), but why do people feel the urge to write lol in random places in a sentence? For example "I am at 180lbs now and really need to get to 120lbs lol". Do some people's keyboards just randomly dispense the word?
- People wanting to quit coffee, but simultaneously looking for natural magical drinks that will speed up their metabolism. That one really stumps me. That's exactly what coffee is, a natural way of speeding up your metabolism, and it's delicious, and it makes you more alert, and it's delicious, and it keeps you awake, and it's delicious. Yet so many "health conscious" people stop drinking coffee. I understand that if you used to drink it with tons of cream and sugar you may want to change how you drink it, but there's nothing inherently wrong with coffee.
- this one is slightly irrational on my part, but I find it incredibly frustrating: it irritates me that as a 5'5, 139 lbs woman aged 41, I need to consistently walk about 11,000 steps a day to bring my calorie expenditure just to 2,000 or so calories. I am intensely jealous of taller, heavier and more muscular people who can eat more and not gain weight. Because I love eating. I also want to scream when older shorter women mention their total daily calorie expenditure is 1,500, just because of the sheer injustice of it.
- people who only need to lose moderate amounts of weight but want to lose 2lbs or more per week. Do those people not understand how insanely hard it is to achieve and sustain a deficit of 1,000 or more calories a day if you are not that big to begin with? I found even a deficit of 500 calories difficult to sustain and switched to an even slower rate of weight loss fairly early in my journey (Ha! I said journey!)
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