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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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Ha! That's funny... and I could have sworn the title to this thread was "unpopular opinions" you people are too much. I swear I could say that I'm the pope and that I *kitten* rainbows and the only thing picked out will be the milk debate... too funny. What anyone else believes about it is of no consequence to me. It was an opinion thread so I had some fun and stated mine. Then end.5
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French_Peasant wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »When people say things like "Oh I am getting a muffin top, I better start doing sit ups" ugh! And when people complain about their weight and their health while they're shoving over processed chemicals and toxins pretending to be food in their mouth! When someone says "I eat healthy and exercise, I don't know why I can't lose weight" duh...
I am a firm believer in the use of supplementation to help with weight loss, or cutting efforts!
Milk/dairy is bad. There's no other species in the world that drinks the bodily fluid of another species... and it's gross. The dairy industry has most people in this world completely fooled!
Obesity is because people are too lazy to educate themselves, too lazy to pick up a product and read a label and WAY to lazy to actually buy, bring home and prepare something. I mean why buy an actual head of broccoli when you can buy it in a bag loaded with cheese sauce and sodium.
@cushman5279 are you trying to start a wet nurse business? cause you know that could be the next "new" thing...
and I actually disagree and can prove you wrong...I've seen on many dif occasions baby animals nursing "other types" of animals...kittens with dogs...puppies with Cats
Orphaned animals in general will eat what they are given due to survival...so Yah no try again
She has had scientific articles to demonstrate this to her on other threads (there are a variety of peer reviewed articles on livestock loss due to nursing stock loss due specifically to the contents of their stomach), so she knows this is true, but she likes to continue to distribute her propaganda. I guess "fundamentally dishonest propaganda" would certainly fall under "unpopular opinions."
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WayTooHonest wrote: »WayTooHonest wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »And when people complain about their weight and their health while they're shoving over processed chemicals and toxins pretending to be food in their mouth! ...
I am a firm believer in the use of supplementation to help with weight loss, or cutting efforts!
Hello Irony, how good to see you.
Those same supplements that generally speaking have no scientific evidence, clinical trials, or basis in verifiable facts? I can't roll my eyes back in my head far enough.
The fact that a product is classified under supplement regulations shows that the product may be safe, but is unable to prove effectiveness.
Wait...I feel like I said exactly that...
And for the record: "Manufacturers and distributors of dietary supplements and dietary ingredients are prohibited from marketing products that are adulterated or misbranded. That means that these firms are responsible for evaluating the safety and labeling of their products before marketing to ensure that they meet all the requirements of DSHEA and FDA regulations. FDA is responsible for taking action against any adulterated or misbranded dietary supplement product after it reaches the market." Source: https://www.fda.gov/food/dietarysupplements/
which still does not change irony inherent in the statement that the chemicals in processed foods are somehow bad, but it is completely legitimate to use the chemicals in supplements for weight loss, and that is OK...6 -
cushman5279 wrote: »Ha! That's funny... and I could have sworn the title to this thread was "unpopular opinions" you people are too much. I swear I could say that I'm the pope and that I *kitten* rainbows and the only thing picked out will be the milk debate... too funny. What anyone else believes about it is of no consequence to me. It was an opinion thread so I had some fun and stated mine. Then end.
it is also in the debate section so others are free to debate your opinions..9 -
WayTooHonest wrote: »WayTooHonest wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »And when people complain about their weight and their health while they're shoving over processed chemicals and toxins pretending to be food in their mouth! ...
I am a firm believer in the use of supplementation to help with weight loss, or cutting efforts!
Hello Irony, how good to see you.
Those same supplements that generally speaking have no scientific evidence, clinical trials, or basis in verifiable facts? I can't roll my eyes back in my head far enough.
The fact that a product is classified under supplement regulations shows that the product may be safe, but is unable to prove effectiveness.
Wait...I feel like I said exactly that...
And for the record: "Manufacturers and distributors of dietary supplements and dietary ingredients are prohibited from marketing products that are adulterated or misbranded. That means that these firms are responsible for evaluating the safety and labeling of their products before marketing to ensure that they meet all the requirements of DSHEA and FDA regulations. FDA is responsible for taking action against any adulterated or misbranded dietary supplement product after it reaches the market." Source: https://www.fda.gov/food/dietarysupplements/
which still does not change irony inherent in the statement that the chemicals in processed foods are somehow bad, but it is completely legitimate to use the chemicals in supplements for weight loss, and that is OK...
I am on another planet apparently, because if you read back, I am she who initially pointed out the irony.2 -
WayTooHonest wrote: »WayTooHonest wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »And when people complain about their weight and their health while they're shoving over processed chemicals and toxins pretending to be food in their mouth! ...
I am a firm believer in the use of supplementation to help with weight loss, or cutting efforts!
Hello Irony, how good to see you.
Those same supplements that generally speaking have no scientific evidence, clinical trials, or basis in verifiable facts? I can't roll my eyes back in my head far enough.
The fact that a product is classified under supplement regulations shows that the product may be safe, but is unable to prove effectiveness.
Wait...I feel like I said exactly that...
You did - I'm merely reinforcing your point with the actual regulations.
If a product was both safe and effective it is classified under drug/medical device/combo/etc regulations.
As it cannot be proven to be effective it is classified under supplement regulations, which by very definition means that it can not prove to be effective.
....and yet $122 B industry to the US economy alone.
As far as the anti-processed food, but pro-supplement? Never go full potato.15 -
WayTooHonest wrote: »WayTooHonest wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »And when people complain about their weight and their health while they're shoving over processed chemicals and toxins pretending to be food in their mouth! ...
I am a firm believer in the use of supplementation to help with weight loss, or cutting efforts!
Hello Irony, how good to see you.
Those same supplements that generally speaking have no scientific evidence, clinical trials, or basis in verifiable facts? I can't roll my eyes back in my head far enough.
The fact that a product is classified under supplement regulations shows that the product may be safe, but is unable to prove effectiveness.
Wait...I feel like I said exactly that...
You did - I'm merely reinforcing your point with the actual regulations.
If a product was both safe and effective it is classified under drug/medical device/combo/etc regulations.
As it cannot be proven to be effective it is classified under supplement regulations, which by very definition means that it can not prove to be effective.
....and yet $122 B industry to the US economy alone.
My apologies than, I apparently misread your intent.3 -
cushman5279 wrote: »Milk/dairy is bad. There's no other species in the world that drinks the bodily fluid of another species... and it's gross. The dairy industry has most people in this world completely fooled!
The fact I enjoy dairy (not milk specifically, most of the time) has 0 to do with the "dairy industry." I blame my long ago ancestors who decided that dairy was a nice way to get consistent food in a colder climate. My genes reflect this, too. It's cool.10 -
Chocolate milk is never bad. To believe so would undo the universe.13
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I hate indoor trainers but the weather here can get so foul that I may be persuaded to spend a couple of hours on one. Even with an entire winter season training on these devices you never seem to gain ground or even maintain seasonal levels. Never lost an ounce of fat or gained a VO2 point in my living room.
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cushman5279 wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »When people say things like "Oh I am getting a muffin top, I better start doing sit ups" ugh! And when people complain about their weight and their health while they're shoving over processed chemicals and toxins pretending to be food in their mouth! When someone says "I eat healthy and exercise, I don't know why I can't lose weight" duh...
I am a firm believer in the use of supplementation to help with weight loss, or cutting efforts!
Milk/dairy is bad. There's no other species in the world that drinks the bodily fluid of another species... and it's gross. The dairy industry has most people in this world completely fooled!
Obesity is because people are too lazy to educate themselves, too lazy to pick up a product and read a label and WAY to lazy to actually buy, bring home and prepare something. I mean why buy an actual head of broccoli when you can buy it in a bag loaded with cheese sauce and sodium.
@cushman5279 are you trying to start a wet nurse business? cause you know that could be the next "new" thing...
and I actually disagree and can prove you wrong...I've seen on many dif occasions baby animals nursing "other types" of animals...kittens with dogs...puppies with Cats
Orphaned animals in general will eat what they are given due to survival...so Yah no try again
She has had scientific articles to demonstrate this to her on other threads (there are a variety of peer reviewed articles on livestock loss due to nursing stock loss due specifically to the contents of their stomach), so she knows this is true, but she likes to continue to distribute her propaganda. I guess "fundamentally dishonest propaganda" would certainly fall under "unpopular opinions."
^ Thread stalker.
Dude, I was here first. You are stalking me. You just made yourself udderly unforgettable with your impassioned diatribes over the awful cow rapin' by the big mean bulls, and other such nonsense.12 -
cushman5279 wrote: »Ha! That's funny... and I could have sworn the title to this thread was "unpopular opinions" you people are too much. I swear I could say that I'm the pope and that I *kitten* rainbows and the only thing picked out will be the milk debate... too funny. What anyone else believes about it is of no consequence to me. It was an opinion thread so I had some fun and stated mine. Then end.
Except, your "opinions" are factually incorrect.cushman5279 wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »When people say things like "Oh I am getting a muffin top, I better start doing sit ups" ugh! And when people complain about their weight and their health while they're shoving over processed chemicals and toxins pretending to be food in their mouth! When someone says "I eat healthy and exercise, I don't know why I can't lose weight" duh...
I am a firm believer in the use of supplementation to help with weight loss, or cutting efforts!
Milk/dairy is bad. There's no other species in the world that drinks the bodily fluid of another species... and it's gross. The dairy industry has most people in this world completely fooled!
Obesity is because people are too lazy to educate themselves, too lazy to pick up a product and read a label and WAY to lazy to actually buy, bring home and prepare something. I mean why buy an actual head of broccoli when you can buy it in a bag loaded with cheese sauce and sodium.
@cushman5279 are you trying to start a wet nurse business? cause you know that could be the next "new" thing...
and I actually disagree and can prove you wrong...I've seen on many dif occasions baby animals nursing "other types" of animals...kittens with dogs...puppies with Cats
Orphaned animals in general will eat what they are given due to survival...so Yah no try again
She has had scientific articles to demonstrate this to her on other threads (there are a variety of peer reviewed articles on livestock loss due to nursing stock loss due specifically to the contents of their stomach), so she knows this is true, but she likes to continue to distribute her propaganda. I guess "fundamentally dishonest propaganda" would certainly fall under "unpopular opinions."
^ Thread stalker.
:huh: Because she remembers having this conversation with you before, she's a stalker?
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In fact, modern humans have specifically evolved to drink animal milk. Lactose tolerance is a recent (within last ~10,000 years) genetic adaptation in ethnicities with a cultural history of dairy farming and also appears to have evolved independently on multiple occasions in different populations - a renewable source of protein is just too valuable to pass up.10
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The_Enginerd wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »When people say things like "Oh I am getting a muffin top, I better start doing sit ups" ugh! And when people complain about their weight and their health while they're shoving over processed chemicals and toxins pretending to be food in their mouth! When someone says "I eat healthy and exercise, I don't know why I can't lose weight" duh...
I am a firm believer in the use of supplementation to help with weight loss, or cutting efforts!
Milk/dairy is bad. There's no other species in the world that drinks the bodily fluid of another species... and it's gross. The dairy industry has most people in this world completely fooled!
Obesity is because people are too lazy to educate themselves, too lazy to pick up a product and read a label and WAY to lazy to actually buy, bring home and prepare something. I mean why buy an actual head of broccoli when you can buy it in a bag loaded with cheese sauce and sodium.
No other species uses a computer or smart phone. Yet here you are...
And no other species specifically breeds plants and produces cultivators, yet here you are eating broccoli, a human invention.
http://indianapublicmedia.org/amomentofscience/the-first-broccoli/
Any argument which begins with "Humans are the only species that...." is a moot point.
Humans are the only species who do a lot of things. We're the only species who cooks food. We're the only species who refrigerate food. We're the only species who work jobs in exchange for currency. We're the only species who build rocket ships. We're the only species who drive cars, ride bicycles or have public transportation. We're the only species who keeps other species as pets. We're the only species who communicates in written language and archives said communications.
The only thing any of that has to do with anything is that we're the only species who innovates and thinks at a higher level than other species. It's good to be at the top of the chain.20 -
I also want to point out that the dairy industry propaganda implies people NEED dairy products to get necessary nutrients. Those of us who like dairy products aren't falling for the hype, we just find them tasty. <shrug>9
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The_Enginerd wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »When people say things like "Oh I am getting a muffin top, I better start doing sit ups" ugh! And when people complain about their weight and their health while they're shoving over processed chemicals and toxins pretending to be food in their mouth! When someone says "I eat healthy and exercise, I don't know why I can't lose weight" duh...
I am a firm believer in the use of supplementation to help with weight loss, or cutting efforts!
Milk/dairy is bad. There's no other species in the world that drinks the bodily fluid of another species... and it's gross. The dairy industry has most people in this world completely fooled!
Obesity is because people are too lazy to educate themselves, too lazy to pick up a product and read a label and WAY to lazy to actually buy, bring home and prepare something. I mean why buy an actual head of broccoli when you can buy it in a bag loaded with cheese sauce and sodium.
No other species uses a computer or smart phone. Yet here you are...
And no other species specifically breeds plants and produces cultivators, yet here you are eating broccoli, a human invention.
http://indianapublicmedia.org/amomentofscience/the-first-broccoli/
Any argument which begins with "Humans are the only species that...." is a moot point.
Humans are the only species who do a lot of things. We're the only species who cooks food. We're the only species who refrigerate food. We're the only species who work jobs in exchange for currency. We're the only species who build rocket ships. We're the only species who drive cars, ride bicycles or have public transportation. We're the only species who keeps other species as pets. We're the only species who communicates in written language and archives said communications.
The only thing any of that has to do with anything is that we're the only species who innovates and thinks at a higher level than other species. It's good to be at the top of the chain.
That and a life without cheese is sadness.
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I also want to point out that the dairy industry propaganda implies people NEED dairy products to get necessary nutrients. Those of us who like dairy products aren't falling for the hype, we just find them tasty. <shrug>
Yep. I don't need dairy to get adequate protein, but it is a good source and I enjoy various dairy products.
Every industry tries to convince us that their products are essential or highly advantageous. That's called "marketing". I give you as example number one, the supplement industry. Not to mention the beauty industry, the beef/pork/chicken industries, the vegetable industry, etc.11 -
Take my cheese and I will cut you.
My unpopular opinion is there isn't jack diddly wrong with "processed" food other than the fact they are generally high calorie so trickier to fit into my day. Da chemicalz are fine, just because you can't read it doesn't make it evil, it's just the compound name, like sucrose instead of sugar. Not knowing what they are doesn't make them bad. There'd be an awful lot of dead people even at a healthy weight if that were true.
I hate people who feel morally superior because they nearly always cook from scratch using only whole foods. Good for you. Unnecessary for good health so you do you boo and I'll do me, both our health all other things being equal will be just dandy.20 -
It's HARDER with hypothyroid, but it STILL comes down to CICO. You CAN'T gain MASS by eating less than you burn. You can retain water, but that's not REAL weight in terms of body composition (lean mass and fat).007dualitygirl wrote: »826_Midazaslam wrote: »Blaming your metabolism is such a cop-out.
Nothing drives me crazier than someone telling me they can't lose ANY weight because their metabolism is too slow. It's simple, CICO. Yes there are cellular differences in how your body metabolizes things, but at the end of the day, if you burn 2000 calories and only put in 1500, you're going to lose weight. Your metabolism is not some magical thing that defies the laws of thermodynamics.
Not true. Hypothyroid causes me much grief. If I eat too little, all metabolic hell breaks lose and I gain weight. There is a balance that is required. Many times people are eating TOO FEW calories and their body is on lockdown.
A calculator can say "you burned 1500 calories today" and you can eat 1000 calories, but if in reality, you only burned 1000 calories that day because you have metabolic syndrome or hypothyroidism, you will not see results at all.
Point being that you have to take responsibility for increasing your metabolism along with keeping your caloric intake at bay.
That being said, if there are no real metabolic issues -- then I totally agree.
For metabolic issues, FIX the metabolism problem ... people say they have a slow metabolism while drinking alcohol everyday, never lifting weights to increase muscle mass, never doing HiiT cardio ... never working on their stress levels ... etc -- well that is irresponsible.
I'm going to go have my wine now and stop complaining about how I can't lose 20 pounds
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I also want to point out that the dairy industry propaganda implies people NEED dairy products to get necessary nutrients. Those of us who like dairy products aren't falling for the hype, we just find them tasty. <shrug>
Yep. I don't need dairy to get adequate protein, but it is a good source and I enjoy various dairy products.
Every industry tries to convince us that their products are essential or highly advantageous. That's called "marketing". I give you as example number one, the supplement industry. Not to mention the beauty industry, the beef/pork/chicken industries, the vegetable industry, etc.
The "alternative" milk industry, the coconut oil industry, the diet industry, fashion industry, booze industry. Literally every single thing is marketed to try and get us to think we absolutely must buy it.7 -
VintageFeline wrote: »Take my cheese and I will cut you.
Oh, like I'm scared of your cheese knife!19 -
VintageFeline wrote: »I also want to point out that the dairy industry propaganda implies people NEED dairy products to get necessary nutrients. Those of us who like dairy products aren't falling for the hype, we just find them tasty. <shrug>
Yep. I don't need dairy to get adequate protein, but it is a good source and I enjoy various dairy products.
Every industry tries to convince us that their products are essential or highly advantageous. That's called "marketing". I give you as example number one, the supplement industry. Not to mention the beauty industry, the beef/pork/chicken industries, the vegetable industry, etc.
The "alternative" milk industry, the coconut oil industry, the diet industry, fashion industry, booze industry. Literally every single thing is marketed to try and get us to think we absolutely must buy it.
It's almost like people are trying to make a living by selling a variety of things to other people . . .23 -
I also want to point out that the dairy industry propaganda implies people NEED dairy products to get necessary nutrients. Those of us who like dairy products aren't falling for the hype, we just find them tasty. <shrug>
Yep. I don't need dairy to get adequate protein, but it is a good source and I enjoy various dairy products.
Every industry tries to convince us that their products are essential or highly advantageous. That's called "marketing". I give you as example number one, the supplement industry. Not to mention the beauty industry, the beef/pork/chicken industries, the vegetable industry, etc.
But the dairy industry convinced the USDA that it deserved representation on the "food pyramid" on which most of us were raised, promoting, through government and medical sources, the belief that dairy, in significant serving numbers (3-7 servings per day), was an essential element of a nutritious diet.
That's not your average marketing scheme by your average retail product.5 -
JeepHair77 wrote: »I also want to point out that the dairy industry propaganda implies people NEED dairy products to get necessary nutrients. Those of us who like dairy products aren't falling for the hype, we just find them tasty. <shrug>
Yep. I don't need dairy to get adequate protein, but it is a good source and I enjoy various dairy products.
Every industry tries to convince us that their products are essential or highly advantageous. That's called "marketing". I give you as example number one, the supplement industry. Not to mention the beauty industry, the beef/pork/chicken industries, the vegetable industry, etc.
But the dairy industry convinced the USDA that it deserved representation on the "food pyramid" on which most of us were raised, promoting, through government and medical sources, the belief that dairy, in significant serving numbers (3-7 servings per day), was an essential element of a nutritious diet.
That's not your average marketing scheme by your average retail product.
It was less a matter of "convincing" the USDA than it is that a big part of the mandate of the USDA is to promote the interests of American farmers, many of whom produce dairy. I am not at all surprised to see that the portion of the government charged with promoting the consumption of agricultural products would encourage the consumption of dairy.
(This isn't an attempt to score a point against dairy, it's neutral in my eyes. We just have to realize what the actual mission of the USDA is. We can't fault them for attempting to fulfill their mission).6 -
JeepHair77 wrote: »I also want to point out that the dairy industry propaganda implies people NEED dairy products to get necessary nutrients. Those of us who like dairy products aren't falling for the hype, we just find them tasty. <shrug>
Yep. I don't need dairy to get adequate protein, but it is a good source and I enjoy various dairy products.
Every industry tries to convince us that their products are essential or highly advantageous. That's called "marketing". I give you as example number one, the supplement industry. Not to mention the beauty industry, the beef/pork/chicken industries, the vegetable industry, etc.
But the dairy industry convinced the USDA that it deserved representation on the "food pyramid" on which most of us were raised, promoting, through government and medical sources, the belief that dairy, in significant serving numbers (3-7 servings per day), was an essential element of a nutritious diet.
That's not your average marketing scheme by your average retail product.
Almost sounds like....
...COLLUSION?!!!3 -
JeepHair77 wrote: »I also want to point out that the dairy industry propaganda implies people NEED dairy products to get necessary nutrients. Those of us who like dairy products aren't falling for the hype, we just find them tasty. <shrug>
Yep. I don't need dairy to get adequate protein, but it is a good source and I enjoy various dairy products.
Every industry tries to convince us that their products are essential or highly advantageous. That's called "marketing". I give you as example number one, the supplement industry. Not to mention the beauty industry, the beef/pork/chicken industries, the vegetable industry, etc.
But the dairy industry convinced the USDA that it deserved representation on the "food pyramid" on which most of us were raised, promoting, through government and medical sources, the belief that dairy, in significant serving numbers (3-7 servings per day), was an essential element of a nutritious diet.
That's not your average marketing scheme by your average retail product.
Applying that logic, I've just become far more suspect of the vegetable industry, who has somehow convinced the USDA that they deserved representation on the "food pyramid" on a much larger scale yet. That's not your average marketing scheme by your average retail product. Evil Big Veggies!15 -
JeepHair77 wrote: »I also want to point out that the dairy industry propaganda implies people NEED dairy products to get necessary nutrients. Those of us who like dairy products aren't falling for the hype, we just find them tasty. <shrug>
Yep. I don't need dairy to get adequate protein, but it is a good source and I enjoy various dairy products.
Every industry tries to convince us that their products are essential or highly advantageous. That's called "marketing". I give you as example number one, the supplement industry. Not to mention the beauty industry, the beef/pork/chicken industries, the vegetable industry, etc.
But the dairy industry convinced the USDA that it deserved representation on the "food pyramid" on which most of us were raised, promoting, through government and medical sources, the belief that dairy, in significant serving numbers (3-7 servings per day), was an essential element of a nutritious diet.
That's not your average marketing scheme by your average retail product.
Applying that logic, I've just become far more suspect of the vegetable industry, who has somehow convinced the USDA that they deserved representation on the "food pyramid" on a much larger scale yet. That's not your average marketing scheme by your average retail product. Evil Big Veggies!
Big Veg, at it again.12 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Take my cheese and I will cut you.
Oh, like I'm scared of your cheese knife!
Well I'm Scottish, my cheese knife is more like a cutlass......15 -
janejellyroll wrote: »JeepHair77 wrote: »I also want to point out that the dairy industry propaganda implies people NEED dairy products to get necessary nutrients. Those of us who like dairy products aren't falling for the hype, we just find them tasty. <shrug>
Yep. I don't need dairy to get adequate protein, but it is a good source and I enjoy various dairy products.
Every industry tries to convince us that their products are essential or highly advantageous. That's called "marketing". I give you as example number one, the supplement industry. Not to mention the beauty industry, the beef/pork/chicken industries, the vegetable industry, etc.
But the dairy industry convinced the USDA that it deserved representation on the "food pyramid" on which most of us were raised, promoting, through government and medical sources, the belief that dairy, in significant serving numbers (3-7 servings per day), was an essential element of a nutritious diet.
That's not your average marketing scheme by your average retail product.
It was less a matter of "convincing" the USDA than it is that a big part of the mandate of the USDA is to promote the interests of American farmers, many of whom produce dairy. I am not at all surprised to see that the portion of the government charged with promoting the consumption of agricultural products would encourage the consumption of dairy.
(This isn't an attempt to score a point against dairy, it's neutral in my eyes. We just have to realize what the actual mission of the USDA is. We can't fault them for attempting to fulfill their mission).
+1
Good example of that is grains. Because guess what the US produces a lot of - and yet no one with any knowledge claims that grains and grain products are a necessary part of a nutritious diet. We don't need so much as a single serving, and yet there they sit as the base of the old pyramid.3 -
VintageFeline wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Take my cheese and I will cut you.
Oh, like I'm scared of your cheese knife!
Well I'm Scottish, my cheese knife is more like a cutlass......
Man, I love eating 1-2 oz of cheddar and an apple. Yum!4
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