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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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You have to eat the calorie bomb someone brought to work to be "sociable" or to not hurt someone's feelings.14
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jseams1234 wrote: »
Because of the way the body's bicarbonate buffer system works, the acidity that dairy causes can cause bone loss. I don't think it's a big issue for people who do weight training but if you look up the statistics for the countries with the highest dairy consumption they also lead with bone loss. BUT it's big business like many things are and so the push toward less toxic milks has been done mostly by the fitness community and is why almond, soy, and rice milk is much more available now. Animal protein is just hard on the body all together especially the kidneys and increases the risk of cancer for the same reason "acidity".
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22081694
Recently the lay press has claimed a hypothetical association among dairy product consumption, generation of dietary acid, and harm to human health. This theoretical association is based on the idea that the protein and phosphate in milk and dairy products make them acid-producing foods, which cause our bodies to become acidified, promoting diseases of modern civilization. Some authors have suggested that dairy products are not helpful and perhaps detrimental to bone health because higher osteoporotic fracture incidence is observed in countries with higher dairy product consumption. However, scientific evidence does not support any of these claims. Milk and dairy products neither produce acid upon metabolism nor cause metabolic acidosis, and systemic pH is not influenced by diet. Observations of higher dairy product intake in countries with prevalent osteoporosis do not hold when urban environments are compared, likely due to physical labor in rural locations. Milk and other dairy products continue to be a good source of dietary protein and other nutrients. Key teaching points: Measurement of an acidic pH urine does not reflect metabolic acidosis or an adverse health condition. The modern diet, and dairy product consumption, does not make the body acidic. Alkaline diets alter urine pH but do not change systemic pH. Net acid excretion is not an important influence of calcium metabolism. Milk is not acid producing. Dietary phosphate does not have a negative impact on calcium metabolism, which is contrary to the acid-ash hypothesis.
Good show!
Jeez, and I was just going to go with "dairy is fine because my Northern European ancestors have been consuming it for centuries to millennia, and they lived long enough through that whole time that I exist to be here eating dairy now." The recent ones lived to be pretty old, too, and were pretty healthy until shortly before the end.13 -
Festivus came early this year:
1. Peer-reviewed publications do not equate to scientific fact.
2. Public policy is rarely based upon science – e.g. food pyramid, low-fat diet, cholesterol, added sugar, etc.
3. GMO, organic, healthy, fast, junk, etc. are nothing more than marketing terms used to disparage competitive products/promote your products.
4. Medicine does not equate to science fact. Much of medicine is based on risk mitigation and not reproducible - that a protocol worked on a previous patient.
5. Any exercise is better than sitting on a couch. If your movement is elliptical - then enjoy your ellipsing.
6. (Insert offence here)-shaming is hyperbolic and indicative of how good your life is. If this is the worst thing that happens to you, then you have a pretty good life. If you have the ability to vent on an internet forum - you have a damn good life.
7. Much of the solutions posed only address symptoms and do not attempt to investigate or solve root cause.
8. Genetics plays a very small factor in weight management and this is largely behavioral.
9. Harder =/= excuse.
10. Beer is a just reward after a run/swim/bike. It is organic, paleo, chocked full of nutrition, and potentially gluten free. It is the pinnacle of human endeavor.
I gave you a "Like" until I read #10, whereupon I changed it to an "Awesome."
LOL
And I agreed with everything until I got to #10, where we come to my extremely unpopular opinion: all alcohol is pretty much a 'meh' or worse for drinking unless doctored to the point the alcohol basically vanishes (except beer, which rates a 'yuck' regardless). However, it (even beer) is brilliant for cooking.
Can't make a good soft pretzel or a proper beef stew without a nice, strong beer.
Oh I can find some manner of brew that suits your palette.
Ye canne make a proper bratwurst without a beer. I have quite the recipe book for beer & cooking/baking - one of my more requested dishes in a Beer Bundt Cake.1 -
Festivus came early this year:
1. Peer-reviewed publications do not equate to scientific fact.
2. Public policy is rarely based upon science – e.g. food pyramid, low-fat diet, cholesterol, added sugar, etc.
3. GMO, organic, healthy, fast, junk, etc. are nothing more than marketing terms used to disparage competitive products/promote your products.
4. Medicine does not equate to science fact. Much of medicine is based on risk mitigation and not reproducible - that a protocol worked on a previous patient.
5. Any exercise is better than sitting on a couch. If your movement is elliptical - then enjoy your ellipsing.
6. (Insert offence here)-shaming is hyperbolic and indicative of how good your life is. If this is the worst thing that happens to you, then you have a pretty good life. If you have the ability to vent on an internet forum - you have a damn good life.
7. Much of the solutions posed only address symptoms and do not attempt to investigate or solve root cause.
8. Genetics plays a very small factor in weight management and this is largely behavioral.
9. Harder =/= excuse.
10. Beer is a just reward after a run/swim/bike. It is organic, paleo, chocked full of nutrition, and potentially gluten free. It is the pinnacle of human endeavor.
I gave you a "Like" until I read #10, whereupon I changed it to an "Awesome."
LOL
And I agreed with everything until I got to #10, where we come to my extremely unpopular opinion: all alcohol is pretty much a 'meh' or worse for drinking unless doctored to the point the alcohol basically vanishes (except beer, which rates a 'yuck' regardless). However, it (even beer) is brilliant for cooking.
Can't make a good soft pretzel or a proper beef stew without a nice, strong beer.
Oh I can find some manner of brew that suits your palette.
Ye canne make a proper bratwurst without a beer. I have quite the recipe book for beer & cooking/baking - one of my more requested dishes in a Beer Bundt Cake.
"Many have tried ... all have failed"
But there are so many different beers out there, I'll concede there may exist one that'd be OK.
BTW - have you tried making sorbet with frozen fruit and various types of lambic? Delicious.8 -
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Festivus came early this year:
1. Peer-reviewed publications do not equate to scientific fact.
2. Public policy is rarely based upon science – e.g. food pyramid, low-fat diet, cholesterol, added sugar, etc.
3. GMO, organic, healthy, fast, junk, etc. are nothing more than marketing terms used to disparage competitive products/promote your products.
4. Medicine does not equate to science fact. Much of medicine is based on risk mitigation and not reproducible - that a protocol worked on a previous patient.
5. Any exercise is better than sitting on a couch. If your movement is elliptical - then enjoy your ellipsing.
6. (Insert offence here)-shaming is hyperbolic and indicative of how good your life is. If this is the worst thing that happens to you, then you have a pretty good life. If you have the ability to vent on an internet forum - you have a damn good life.
7. Much of the solutions posed only address symptoms and do not attempt to investigate or solve root cause.
8. Genetics plays a very small factor in weight management and this is largely behavioral.
9. Harder =/= excuse.
10. Beer is a just reward after a run/swim/bike. It is organic, paleo, chocked full of nutrition, and potentially gluten free. It is the pinnacle of human endeavor.
I gave you a "Like" until I read #10, whereupon I changed it to an "Awesome."
LOL
And I agreed with everything until I got to #10, where we come to my extremely unpopular opinion: all alcohol is pretty much a 'meh' or worse for drinking unless doctored to the point the alcohol basically vanishes (except beer, which rates a 'yuck' regardless). However, it (even beer) is brilliant for cooking.
Can't make a good soft pretzel or a proper beef stew without a nice, strong beer.
Oh I can find some manner of brew that suits your palette.
Ye canne make a proper bratwurst without a beer. I have quite the recipe book for beer & cooking/baking - one of my more requested dishes in a Beer Bundt Cake.
"Many have tried ... all have failed"
But there are so many different beers out there, I'll concede there may exist one that'd be OK.
BTW - have you tried making sorbet with frozen fruit and various types of lambic? Delicious.
I've been on the same quest convincing my wife of the same, but I shall not falter.
A homebrew framboise lambic is about as close as I got with her...and her BS was microbiology - such shame.
...and yes! I have experimented with secondary fermenations similar to gose and it came out as a tart sherbet.0 -
Everyone slamming body positivity doesn't understand that the point isn't to promote obesity, it's to help people mentally. A lot of times someone is overweight because there are underlying issues - bullying, fat shaming, etc. They can't make positive change if they're always feeling negative about how they already are.
If you say things like "You're just not trying hard enough" and fat shaming people then how will they feel motivated to get out in public and just go for a walk. There are mental issues at work and we need more positivity in the world not less!
I am constantly loosing weight and gaining it back because of self shame and negativity in the world. I'm just starting to loose weight again but i'm actually keeping it off now and I think a big part of that is THERAPY!!! So be kind to people, you never know what someone else is going through. Use positive encouragement, and stop the fat shaming.22 -
megdnoorman wrote: »Penthesilea514 wrote: »Personally I've found that as the weight has come off, I've become less tolerant of people making excuses as to why they can't lose weight themselves.
This is definitely an issue for me. It is hard for me to listen to people complaining about their weight or health and then listen to all the excuses about why they "can't". I am not talking about actual diagnosed by an MD/DO/licensed health professional medical issues, but "I'm too busy" 'I could never do that" "I don't want to eat salads all day".
If they don't say anything, fine- I am going to assume that they are doing their own thing. But don't *kitten* about yourself and then DON'T DO ANYTHING TO CHANGE. Drives me a little nuts.
Yes. This drives me crazy too. If you aren't losing weight, and doctors can't find a reason why, then you aren't losing because you aren't trying hard enough.
As for unpopular beliefs, I am on a ketogenic diet... so, I feel like my whole WOE is unpopular lol, or maybe too popular to the point of trend, depending on who you talk to.
I drink diet soda (Coke and Fresca mainly) and I don't feel bad about it. Aspartame for the win!
I think low-fat "diet" foods like low fat salad dressing, half and half or creamers, cookies/crackers etc. are weird and probably no better for you in the long run than just eating the real thing (I know this makes my diet soda love hypocritical lol).
I don't think people aren't trying hard enough, they aren't trying the right things. Sometimes you can be busting *kitten* at trying to loose weight but there are things you don't understand or you're not doing things correctly or whatever the case and you're just not loosing the weight.
Not everyone can afford nutritionists and personal trainers. Plus the internet/health books are constantly contradicting each other on what is healthy.
You don't know what another person is going through. Never assume you do.6 -
Festivus came early this year:
1. Peer-reviewed publications do not equate to scientific fact.
2. Public policy is rarely based upon science – e.g. food pyramid, low-fat diet, cholesterol, added sugar, etc.
3. GMO, organic, healthy, fast, junk, etc. are nothing more than marketing terms used to disparage competitive products/promote your products.
4. Medicine does not equate to science fact. Much of medicine is based on risk mitigation and not reproducible - that a protocol worked on a previous patient.
5. Any exercise is better than sitting on a couch. If your movement is elliptical - then enjoy your ellipsing.
6. (Insert offence here)-shaming is hyperbolic and indicative of how good your life is. If this is the worst thing that happens to you, then you have a pretty good life. If you have the ability to vent on an internet forum - you have a damn good life.
7. Much of the solutions posed only address symptoms and do not attempt to investigate or solve root cause.
8. Genetics plays a very small factor in weight management and this is largely behavioral.
9. Harder =/= excuse.
10. Beer is a just reward after a run/swim/bike. It is organic, paleo, chocked full of nutrition, and potentially gluten free. It is the pinnacle of human endeavor.
Co-signing a lot of these, but especially number ten.1 -
Overly uplifting, approving and congratulating friends can be bad for you just as the disapproving ones can. I don't need a goddamn congratulations for every little thing I do.
edit: Just realized it's not specifically a health/fitness thing, but support still is a big part of it, imo.9 -
Nicholas_39 wrote: »Overly uplifting, approving and congratulating friends can be bad for you just as the disapproving ones can. I don't need a goddamn congratulations for every little thing I do..
Great post! Keep being awesome!
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Nicholas_39 wrote: »Overly uplifting, approving and congratulating friends can be bad for you just as the disapproving ones can. I don't need a goddamn congratulations for every little thing I do.
edit: Just realized it's not specifically a health/fitness thing, but support still is a big part of it, imo.
Nice editing!5 -
If someone makes a contentious comment in passing, like using the word "toned", or saying "muscle weighs more than fat", or that they're on a cleanse, or using the word metabolism incorrectly.. i let it go. It's already been argued to death by the fitness justice warriors. 12
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I'm glad we agree for the most part.jseams1234 wrote: »Derf_Smeggle wrote: »Oh, oh. Another one!
BMI needs to stop being used to measure an individual's health status! That's not how it is meant to be used. It's for use in population studies.
BMI is a tool and an indicator. It's not supposed to be used on it's own.
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but he doesn't just use BMI in a vacuum - nobody should.
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Cherimoose wrote: »Great post! Keep being awesome!
Nice editing!
Thank you guys, I really tried hard for that! Thank you for keeping my spirits high in these trying times! Great responses! Both of you are awesome!
Edit (he, he, another good one incoming!) - I just inhaled some air and guess this!
... you won't believe it
I exhaled it! Successfully!
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Nicholas_39 wrote: »Cherimoose wrote: »Great post! Keep being awesome!
Nice editing!
Thank you guys, I really tried hard for that! Thank you for keeping my spirits high in these trying times! Great responses! Both of you are awesome!
Edit (he, he, another good one incoming!) - I just inhaled some air and guess this!
... you won't believe it
I exhaled it! Successfully!
How did you do that?!? Are you a wizard? I need someone to remind me, or else I won't be consistent.
ETA: You're so amazing, I'm in awe.1 -
Late to the party but... I will try to hit one that hasn't already been stated I don't think.
Convenience foods (frozen meals, skillet meals, ready rice, even <gasp> Hamburger Helper) can taste good AND be a part of a healthy, nutritious overall diet?
Does this mean I eat only convenience foods? Nope.
Does this mean I can't cook? Nope.
Do I have a damaged palate? Nope.
Do I ignore nutrition? Nope.
Do I think the ingredients are going to have a negative impact on my health in the short or long term? Nope.
Does it mean that I'm a busy working mom who prefers sometimes to rely on a frozen breakfast bowl (Egg whites, turkey sausage, breakfast potatoes and cheese) microwaved for 3 minutes for 240 cals and 22 g of protein rather than cooking something similar myself (which I could, but would take much longer to prepare)? Yep.33 -
Nicholas_39 wrote: »Cherimoose wrote: »Great post! Keep being awesome!
Nice editing!
Thank you guys, I really tried hard for that! Thank you for keeping my spirits high in these trying times! Great responses! Both of you are awesome!
Edit (he, he, another good one incoming!) - I just inhaled some air and guess this!
... you won't believe it
I exhaled it! Successfully!
Citation or it didn't happen.6 -
@WinoGelato I will admit that my first thought when i see diaries over run with packet/convenience/take away meals is they are either lazy and/or cant cook :blushing:3
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I have several unpopular opinions, I think.
1. I believe that there can be value in READING and following formal diets for some people. I believe many of the knowledgeable people here *learned* from formal diets, whether they actually read/studied them or not. I personally learned a LOT from reading formal diet books. I believe that knowledge has helped me maintain +- for 16 years, including through menopause.
2. I believe there are junk foods. Though I don't like the term "empty calories".
3. I believe most folks would benefit (overall) from limiting added sugars and highly refined carbohydrates much more than the average person does.
4. I believe the research that suggests that peri-menopause/menopause leads to insulin resistance in some women. I believe that IR can make it more difficult for some menopausal women to lose weight. (I also believe the hormonal changes at menopause can change how women handle refined carbohydrates, with or without IR.)
5. I believe the distinction between "complex" and "simple" carbohydrates is fairly worthless.
Adding:
6. I think it's fine if people want to substitute whatever for whatever and still call it pizza, or ice cream, or whatever. It's just a name. No one should be mocked for doing what they want/need to do to meet their goals.8
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