No Calorie Sodas and Weight
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OliveGirl128 wrote: »My advice, if you're going to drink diet soda, try one that doesn't have the aspartame in it, like diet Pepsi or diet coke with splenda.
No thanks. Diet Pepsi's change made it less palatable, and my mom even switched from CF Diet Pepsi to CF Diet Coke.
Also: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1308408/why-aspartame-isnt-scary
Same here! Sucralose (brand name = Splenda) is nasty tasting.
And it hasn't been as extensively studied as aspartame (mostly because it's newer).
Personal preference-I exclusively use sucralose in my coffee because I prefer the flavor over regular sugar or other artificial sweeteners.
And that is perfectly fine!
("Nasty tasting" is an opinion and anyone is free to disagree)1 -
Trainer is wrong. How does it spike blood sugar when there's no sugar in it? Why is it approved for diabetics by the ADA as an alternative? Don't believe the "broscience".thecrushinator wrote: »My old trainer told me that the reason behind diet soda causing weight gain was that the artificial sweeteners spike blood sugar more than regular sugar does, making people less insulin sensitive and then seeking even more sugar when you sugar crash. Also it (might just be me) turns you into a Macy's parade float.
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Anecdotal evidence ahead
I have reactive hypoglycemia. If I drink anything sugary (regular soda, fruit juice, etc) my insulin does spike, which causes a drop in blood sugar. I don't have those reactions with diet soda. So, even without the studies, I can't agree with the idea that aspartame causes any sort of insulin reaction.5 -
I was an heavy drinker... of Coke Zero.
I stopped it when I realized that acidity in these soda is very high and damages the teeth.
https://www.sheltondentistry.com/patient-information/ph-values-common-drinks/
PRODUCT pH
NEUTRAL pH 7.00
Dentin dissolves below 6.50
Enamel dissolves below 5.50
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Coke Zero 3.18
Bad.
Now just occasionally in restaurants and eating at the same time.
Sure, if you're soaking your teeth in it. Or, I guess, drinking it all day long.
For reference, though, what is the pH of Orange juice? Tomato juice? Because the issue never comes up when we talk about those.
ETA: I went a looked it up. Here's some more https://www.sheltondentistry.com/patient-information/ph-values-common-drinks/ (Same link as above poster)
V8 100% Vegetable Juice 4.29
Tropicana 100% Apple Juice 4.05
Crystal Light Sunrise Ruby Red Grapefruit 3.81
Minute Maid Orange Juice 3.70
Welch’s Concord Grape 3.24
Ocean Spray White Cranberry Peach 2.96
Mouth Wash
NEUTRAL pH 7.00
Dentin dissolves below 6.50
Enamel dissolves below 5.50
Biotene Blue Label 4.93
Listerine 4.24
Crest ProHealth Rinse 3.57
Tom’s of Maine Tartar Control-Peppermint 3.43
Look again at the mouthwash. We swish it around our teeth. I don't know of many people who regularly do that with Coke Zero (or any soda ... Coke Zero has a higher pH than many sodas, fwiw). But it's the acid in soda that's a concern?
So you know better than the dentists?
ANYTHING below 4 is damageable long term to the teeth enamel, if you keep it there for a while. Good idea to rinse the mouth after having consumed them.
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I am pretty much done depending on popular opinion. What is dependable about that.
OP, enjoy your Coke Zero.4 -
*Shrug* I drink more than a liter a day of the stuff and apart from some mild anxiety that... hasn't really shown its face since I started exercising a few months ago, no issues. (I realize your mom said 'encourage' not 'automatically cause', just noting that my experience doesn't bear this out. And I've been consuming decent quantities daily for about 20 years.)4
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cerise_noir wrote: »
Many people and groups tried hard to demonize it for 55 years. Fail.5 -
Dentists will tell you what may be bad for your teeth. That's their job. But they ALSO follow up with the statement "GOOD ORAL HYGIENE can reduce the risk of this". Point being, if we avoided everything based on pH rating, our options would be totally limited to eating an essential and nutritionally filled diet. People just have to apply maintenance and care to their teeth just like they do to anything else in their life to have optimal outcome.I was an heavy drinker... of Coke Zero.
I stopped it when I realized that acidity in these soda is very high and damages the teeth.
https://www.sheltondentistry.com/patient-information/ph-values-common-drinks/
PRODUCT pH
NEUTRAL pH 7.00
Dentin dissolves below 6.50
Enamel dissolves below 5.50
...
Coke Zero 3.18
Bad.
Now just occasionally in restaurants and eating at the same time.
Sure, if you're soaking your teeth in it. Or, I guess, drinking it all day long.
For reference, though, what is the pH of Orange juice? Tomato juice? Because the issue never comes up when we talk about those.
ETA: I went a looked it up. Here's some more https://www.sheltondentistry.com/patient-information/ph-values-common-drinks/ (Same link as above poster)
V8 100% Vegetable Juice 4.29
Tropicana 100% Apple Juice 4.05
Crystal Light Sunrise Ruby Red Grapefruit 3.81
Minute Maid Orange Juice 3.70
Welch’s Concord Grape 3.24
Ocean Spray White Cranberry Peach 2.96
Mouth Wash
NEUTRAL pH 7.00
Dentin dissolves below 6.50
Enamel dissolves below 5.50
Biotene Blue Label 4.93
Listerine 4.24
Crest ProHealth Rinse 3.57
Tom’s of Maine Tartar Control-Peppermint 3.43
Look again at the mouthwash. We swish it around our teeth. I don't know of many people who regularly do that with Coke Zero (or any soda ... Coke Zero has a higher pH than many sodas, fwiw). But it's the acid in soda that's a concern?
So you know better than the dentists?
ANYTHING below 4 is damageable long term to the teeth enamel, if you keep it there for a while. Good idea to rinse the mouth after having consumed them.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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Tried as in fearmongering.cerise_noir wrote: »
Many people and groups tried hard to demonize it for 55 years. Fail.
Yep. Until science and common sense kicked in.
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I was an heavy drinker... of Coke Zero.
I stopped it when I realized that acidity in these soda is very high and damages the teeth.
https://www.sheltondentistry.com/patient-information/ph-values-common-drinks/
PRODUCT pH
NEUTRAL pH 7.00
Dentin dissolves below 6.50
Enamel dissolves below 5.50
...
Coke Zero 3.18
Bad.
Now just occasionally in restaurants and eating at the same time.
Sure, if you're soaking your teeth in it. Or, I guess, drinking it all day long.
For reference, though, what is the pH of Orange juice? Tomato juice? Because the issue never comes up when we talk about those.
ETA: I went a looked it up. Here's some more https://www.sheltondentistry.com/patient-information/ph-values-common-drinks/ (Same link as above poster)
V8 100% Vegetable Juice 4.29
Tropicana 100% Apple Juice 4.05
Crystal Light Sunrise Ruby Red Grapefruit 3.81
Minute Maid Orange Juice 3.70
Welch’s Concord Grape 3.24
Ocean Spray White Cranberry Peach 2.96
Mouth Wash
NEUTRAL pH 7.00
Dentin dissolves below 6.50
Enamel dissolves below 5.50
Biotene Blue Label 4.93
Listerine 4.24
Crest ProHealth Rinse 3.57
Tom’s of Maine Tartar Control-Peppermint 3.43
Look again at the mouthwash. We swish it around our teeth. I don't know of many people who regularly do that with Coke Zero (or any soda ... Coke Zero has a higher pH than many sodas, fwiw). But it's the acid in soda that's a concern?
So you know better than the dentists?
ANYTHING below 4 is damageable long term to the teeth enamel, if you keep it there for a while. Good idea to rinse the mouth after having consumed them.
Please take note that the list I posted comes from the same website as your post. I'm just giving more full data.
Do you rinse your mouth out after having swished with mouthwash?3 -
I was an heavy drinker... of Coke Zero.
I stopped it when I realized that acidity in these soda is very high and damages the teeth.
https://www.sheltondentistry.com/patient-information/ph-values-common-drinks/
PRODUCT pH
NEUTRAL pH 7.00
Dentin dissolves below 6.50
Enamel dissolves below 5.50
...
Coke Zero 3.18
Bad.
Now just occasionally in restaurants and eating at the same time.
Sure, if you're soaking your teeth in it. Or, I guess, drinking it all day long.
For reference, though, what is the pH of Orange juice? Tomato juice? Because the issue never comes up when we talk about those.
ETA: I went a looked it up. Here's some more https://www.sheltondentistry.com/patient-information/ph-values-common-drinks/ (Same link as above poster)
V8 100% Vegetable Juice 4.29
Tropicana 100% Apple Juice 4.05
Crystal Light Sunrise Ruby Red Grapefruit 3.81
Minute Maid Orange Juice 3.70
Welch’s Concord Grape 3.24
Ocean Spray White Cranberry Peach 2.96
Mouth Wash
NEUTRAL pH 7.00
Dentin dissolves below 6.50
Enamel dissolves below 5.50
Biotene Blue Label 4.93
Listerine 4.24
Crest ProHealth Rinse 3.57
Tom’s of Maine Tartar Control-Peppermint 3.43
Look again at the mouthwash. We swish it around our teeth. I don't know of many people who regularly do that with Coke Zero (or any soda ... Coke Zero has a higher pH than many sodas, fwiw). But it's the acid in soda that's a concern?
So you know better than the dentists?
ANYTHING below 4 is damageable long term to the teeth enamel, if you keep it there for a while. Good idea to rinse the mouth after having consumed them.
Please take note that the list I posted comes from the same website as your post. I'm just giving more full data.
Do you rinse your mouth out after having swished with mouthwash?I was an heavy drinker... of Coke Zero.
I stopped it when I realized that acidity in these soda is very high and damages the teeth.
https://www.sheltondentistry.com/patient-information/ph-values-common-drinks/
PRODUCT pH
NEUTRAL pH 7.00
Dentin dissolves below 6.50
Enamel dissolves below 5.50
...
Coke Zero 3.18
Bad.
Now just occasionally in restaurants and eating at the same time.
Sure, if you're soaking your teeth in it. Or, I guess, drinking it all day long.
For reference, though, what is the pH of Orange juice? Tomato juice? Because the issue never comes up when we talk about those.
ETA: I went a looked it up. Here's some more https://www.sheltondentistry.com/patient-information/ph-values-common-drinks/ (Same link as above poster)
V8 100% Vegetable Juice 4.29
Tropicana 100% Apple Juice 4.05
Crystal Light Sunrise Ruby Red Grapefruit 3.81
Minute Maid Orange Juice 3.70
Welch’s Concord Grape 3.24
Ocean Spray White Cranberry Peach 2.96
Mouth Wash
NEUTRAL pH 7.00
Dentin dissolves below 6.50
Enamel dissolves below 5.50
Biotene Blue Label 4.93
Listerine 4.24
Crest ProHealth Rinse 3.57
Tom’s of Maine Tartar Control-Peppermint 3.43
Look again at the mouthwash. We swish it around our teeth. I don't know of many people who regularly do that with Coke Zero (or any soda ... Coke Zero has a higher pH than many sodas, fwiw). But it's the acid in soda that's a concern?
So you know better than the dentists?
ANYTHING below 4 is damageable long term to the teeth enamel, if you keep it there for a while. Good idea to rinse the mouth after having consumed them.
Please take note that the list I posted comes from the same website as your post. I'm just giving more full data.
Do you rinse your mouth out after having swished with mouthwash?
Why in the hell do you assume that I use mouthwash...0 -
Fwiw, soft drinks - especially the sugary kind - are known to erode tooth enamel. That doesn't mean no one should drink them. But if someone is drinking a whole lot of them, throughout the day, it's probably a good idea to cut back. Also, their potential to erode tooth enamel is related to pH, but pH isn't the only thing in play.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/173339900 -
Fwiw, soft drinks - especially the sugary kind - are known to erode tooth enamel. That doesn't mean no one should drink them. But if someone is drinking a whole lot of them, throughout the day, it's probably a good idea to cut back. Also, their potential to erode tooth enamel is related to pH, but pH isn't the only thing in play.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17333990
Isn't the discussion here about non sugary (no calorie) sodas?
Which also can be bad for tooth enamel, of course, but that doesn't make them unique or mean that no one should drink them, we probably agree on that.2 -
The way I understand the issue is that no-calorie drinks/artificial sweeteners affect gut bacteria which can in turn affect weight. I heard an excellent podcast on the topic on "Science vs" which explored the various myths and scientific studies conducted on the issue of artificial sweeteners which was fascinating
https://gimletmedia.com/episode/3718/8 -
People think gut bacteria affects what foods you crave, but that assumes -- wrongly, IMO -- that people cannot control what they choose to eat.
Gut bacteria also affects how you digest what you eat, but often that has more to do with what you do eat Don't eat many veg/much fiber, and it's hard to digest it, as you lack the right bacteria. That changes over time.
Suggesting that drinking diet soda just makes you fat unrelated to calories makes no scientific sense, is unsupported, and sounds like an excuse/denial of the reality of excess calories.
I personally have had periods where I drank quite a lot of diet soda and periods (like now) where I rarely drink it, and I've never found that it affects what I crave (what foods I eat do affect what I crave -- I crave what I'm in the habit of drinking).
Some find that drinking lots of sweet things make them unable to appreciate non sweet tastes, but that has always seemed odd to me and was never my experience -- I suspect it has more to do with not developing your palate to consume other things more generally or perhaps huge excess over a long period of time or something. (When I consumed the most diet soda I also generally didn't care for many super sweet foods and strongly disliked sweet wines, sweet dressings, etc., and enjoyed fruits and veg perfectly well.)3 -
No idea if it directly causes weight gain. However, personally, I try to replace soda with water or tea. I feel like drinking the diet soda leaves me more thirsty and with the munchies!! Water is much more satisfying. Tea gives me caffeine, if that's what I'm craving. I have herbal tea if I just want something to sip on; I love mint tea. I keep flavored sparkling water at home for when I'm looking for some bubbles to enjoy. I really feel better when I'm not drinking soda or diet soda regularly!
Yes, I've seen studies that indicated that diet soda does increase appetite in some people. Doesn't seem to be common with the posters here on MFP though. Thanks for posting.
This isn't the study I'm thinking of, but it's on point for this thread.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1829363/
In a meta-analysis of 88 studies, we examined the association between soft drink consumption and nutrition and health outcomes. We found clear associations of soft drink intake with increased energy intake and body weight.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »No idea if it directly causes weight gain. However, personally, I try to replace soda with water or tea. I feel like drinking the diet soda leaves me more thirsty and with the munchies!! Water is much more satisfying. Tea gives me caffeine, if that's what I'm craving. I have herbal tea if I just want something to sip on; I love mint tea. I keep flavored sparkling water at home for when I'm looking for some bubbles to enjoy. I really feel better when I'm not drinking soda or diet soda regularly!
Yes, I've seen studies that indicated that diet soda does increase appetite in some people. Doesn't seem to be common with the posters here on MFP though. Thanks for posting.
This isn't the study I'm thinking of, but it's on point for this thread.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1829363/
In a meta-analysis of 88 studies, we examined the association between soft drink consumption and nutrition and health outcomes. We found clear associations of soft drink intake with increased energy intake and body weight.
That analysis isn't about diet soda, it's about regular soda.
Main takeaway -- most of the time when people drink soda they don't compensate by reducing calories from other sources so end up with more net calories. Not surprising, but again nothing about diet soda.3 -
I drink diet coke nearly every day. I've been at maintenance weight for years. Bottoms up!4
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cwolfman13 wrote: »TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »The statistics are clear. People that drink diet drinks over water tend to weigh more. I hope that someday the reason why is found.
Study after study cannot be biased/ pushing an agenda. What agenda? To stop drinking diet drinks? Coke would fight tooth and nail against this.
I can even go to a family gathering and notice those that are drinking a diet drink weigh more than those drinking a water bottle. The statistics are not lying.
I've already noted this, but one study I looked at it implied that there is a psychological component whereby people think they're being good by drinking a diet soda and that, that somehow offsets the other copious amounts of calories they're taking in. It's not the soda itself. The studies aren't lying, they just don't tell the whole story which is typical of a correlation study.
This is pretty observable when dining out...someone with a huge double cheeseburger with bacon and extra large french fry...but it's all good because they're at least drinking a diet soda. Or I'm at a BBQ and someone has 4 different kinds of meats on their plates and a pile of beans and potato salad...but hey...they're drinking a diet soda.
It's not the beverage...it's everything else people are doing or not doing.
I could easily be that guy with the bacon cheeseburger, fries, and a diet drink. If I have room in my day for the bacon on my cheeseburger or a regular soda, I'm taking the bacon every time.
Your average Joe/Jane out there isn't counting calories and has no clue if they have "room" for those calories. Calorie counters are a significant minority.
I think chances are pretty good that your average Joe/Jane out there wolfing down double cheeseburgers with bacon and XL fries are friggin' fat...that's where I'd put my money anyway.4
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