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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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If you think HIIT is superior to steady state cardio, your SS cardio speed is too slow7
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Bwahahaha!!snickerscharlie wrote: »We'd fight and never loose lose...
(LOL. Couldn't resist.
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Never mind.0
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chloe0wens wrote: »I can't wait for this fad of big butts to pass. I don't think a big *kitten* is all that attractive and I'm sick of my Instagram being full of girls hiking their undies up their butt crack and shoving their bum at the camera.
I am just horrified by this. Please send me a list of all offenders and I will follow them and notify them of this offensive behavior.
For really and for truly I will.16 -
xmichaelyx wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »xmichaelyx wrote: »Do you have complete confidence that every chemical in your food Is safe for regular, repeated consumption? More power to ya. They said DDT was safe at one point. They said cigarettes were good for your health. They said BPA was safe. No one is saying if it's natural it's automatically safe, as in Hemlock. But you seem to be saying that chemicals are to be unquestionably trusted?
Every product has an inherent risk/reward.
DDT is singly responsible for saving countless lives due to malaria reduction. Was it worth the risk? Scientific evidence says yes. Media hyperbole says no.
No hall of science ever stated that cigarettes were good for you health. This is hyperbolic and patently false.
BPA is safe in the regulated dosage and form and a critical binding agent used in several medical products. Don't confuse scientific output with media hyperbole.
DDT is banned because it killed animals, such as bald eagles, pet dogs, osprey and other animals. Banning it helped save the bald eagle from getting killed by its use. It wasn't worth the risk since it's now banned in the US. The negative effects far outweighed the positive ones. That's why we no longer use it. I'm glad that DDT is banned as it has polluted rivers and killed fish and contaminated everything and killed everything in its path. There obviously are safer pesticides and that's what we use today. There were more risks than rewards.
Educating yourself on the subject would help. I learned about it in chemistry classes and then read about it on my own to understand it further. I've never heard of people defending its use until now.
Nope - do some research on the subject yourself. There was never any study performed that linked DDT to any of the effects that you quote. It was banned because the president of the Audubon Society read a book called 'Silent Spring' (a fiction work that people chose to accept as gospel) and decided that DDT was going to cause the death of all of the insects and there by cause the death of all animals on the planet. The Audubon society then put pressure on the head of the EPA (who at the time was also on the board of the Audubon society) and the head of the EPA over-ruled his own scientists (who recommended that DDT not be banned because they couldn't establish the link to animal deaths/disease/etc) and banned DDT.
As to the more risks than rewards - tell that to the millions of people who have died from malaria since DDT was banned - since DDT has always been the single most effective pesticide that has been developed to kill mosquitos and nothing in our present arsenal has ever been as effective.
Neither of you posted sources, so both of your posts are pointless.
. . . unless I missed it, you never posted any sources for your claims.
I'm happy to post sources for any facts I "claim." But I don't WTF claims you're talking about, since there aren't any in the thread you're commenting on.
My apologies, you were responding to someone else's claims. But is there a reason why you didn't state this to the initial claims about DDT instead of people responding to it? It seems weird to only hold one side of a conversation to the standard.2 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »And what I bought for that matter...
For example, exhibit A, the Lava Lamp. Why?
Yes, I know, everyone I knew was buying one, but what use was it?!
You must not have done enough drugs.
Lava lamps and black light posters.
Those were the days, my friends.
I was a child in the 1970s, so I basically just witnessed the Baby Boomers ruin sex, drugs, and rock and roll for my generation with their excesses without getting involved in the action
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Bry_Lander wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »And what I bought for that matter...
For example, exhibit A, the Lava Lamp. Why?
Yes, I know, everyone I knew was buying one, but what use was it?!
You must not have done enough drugs.
Lava lamps and black light posters.
Those were the days, my friends.
I was a child in the 1970s, so I basically just witnessed the Baby Boomers ruin sex, drugs, and rock and roll for my generation with their excesses without getting involved in the action
It was totally about us.
Sorry not sorry.4 -
NO ACV cannot cure that!!!!!8
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cmriverside wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »And what I bought for that matter...
For example, exhibit A, the Lava Lamp. Why?
Yes, I know, everyone I knew was buying one, but what use was it?!
You must not have done enough drugs.
Lava lamps and black light posters.
Those were the days, my friends.
I was a child in the 1970s, so I basically just witnessed the Baby Boomers ruin sex, drugs, and rock and roll for my generation with their excesses without getting involved in the action
It was totally about us.
Sorry not sorry.
Being raised by Boomers actually made for a pretty lively childhood, I will take that over what passes for a childhood in today's world 7 -
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Bry_Lander wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »And what I bought for that matter...
For example, exhibit A, the Lava Lamp. Why?
Yes, I know, everyone I knew was buying one, but what use was it?!
You must not have done enough drugs.
Lava lamps and black light posters.
Those were the days, my friends.
I was a child in the 1970s, so I basically just witnessed the Baby Boomers ruin sex, drugs, and rock and roll for my generation with their excesses without getting involved in the action
It was totally about us.
Sorry not sorry.
Being raised by Boomers actually made for a pretty lively childhood, I will take that over what passes for a childhood in today's world
Trophies for every child!!!!!!!!!
I never had kids, but I did have a lively young-adulthood.1 -
cmriverside wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »And what I bought for that matter...
For example, exhibit A, the Lava Lamp. Why?
Yes, I know, everyone I knew was buying one, but what use was it?!
You must not have done enough drugs.
Lava lamps and black light posters.
Those were the days, my friends.
I was a child in the 1970s, so I basically just witnessed the Baby Boomers ruin sex, drugs, and rock and roll for my generation with their excesses without getting involved in the action
It was totally about us.
Sorry not sorry.
I graduated high school in '68 and live in the San Francisco bay area. This is true.4 -
cmriverside wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »And what I bought for that matter...
For example, exhibit A, the Lava Lamp. Why?
Yes, I know, everyone I knew was buying one, but what use was it?!
You must not have done enough drugs.
Lava lamps and black light posters.
Those were the days, my friends.
I was a child in the 1970s, so I basically just witnessed the Baby Boomers ruin sex, drugs, and rock and roll for my generation with their excesses without getting involved in the action
It was totally about us.
Sorry not sorry.
I graduated high school in '68 and live in the San Francisco bay area. This is true.
I was at Woodstock. I was 14.
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snickerscharlie wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »And what I bought for that matter...
For example, exhibit A, the Lava Lamp. Why?
Yes, I know, everyone I knew was buying one, but what use was it?!
You must not have done enough drugs.
Lava lamps and black light posters.
Those were the days, my friends.
I was a child in the 1970s, so I basically just witnessed the Baby Boomers ruin sex, drugs, and rock and roll for my generation with their excesses without getting involved in the action
It was totally about us.
Sorry not sorry.
I graduated high school in '68 and live in the San Francisco bay area. This is true.
I was at Woodstock. I was 14.
OMG, what an experience! Once in a lifetime!2 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »How I feel when a discussion of food industry chemical additives leads to a discussion of the chemical composition of fruit.
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cmriverside wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »And what I bought for that matter...
For example, exhibit A, the Lava Lamp. Why?
Yes, I know, everyone I knew was buying one, but what use was it?!
You must not have done enough drugs.
Lava lamps and black light posters.
Those were the days, my friends.
I was a child in the 1970s, so I basically just witnessed the Baby Boomers ruin sex, drugs, and rock and roll for my generation with their excesses without getting involved in the action
It was totally about us.
Sorry not sorry.
I graduated high school in '68 and live in the San Francisco bay area. This is true.
Believe me, Gen X completely understands this.3 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Do you have complete confidence that every chemical in your food Is safe for regular, repeated consumption? More power to ya. They said DDT was safe at one point. They said cigarettes were good for your health. They said BPA was safe. No one is saying if it's natural it's automatically safe, as in Hemlock. But you seem to be saying that chemicals are to be unquestionably trusted?
Every product has an inherent risk/reward.
DDT is singly responsible for saving countless lives due to malaria reduction. Was it worth the risk? Scientific evidence says yes. Media hyperbole says no.
No hall of science ever stated that cigarettes were good for you health. This is hyperbolic and patently false.
BPA is safe in the regulated dosage and form and a critical binding agent used in several medical products. Don't confuse scientific output with media hyperbole.
This and the anti-GMO pro famine hyperbole are two of my unpopular opinions that actually get me a little angry and hot under the collar.
We might not be able to turn famine ridden sub-Saharan Africa and southwest asia into Garden spots with trees and rivers. But we could at least make them a little less hellish to live in.
Anti-GMO = pro-famine? Wow.
War, corruption, and other forms of bad government, not lack of GMOs, cause famine.
War and corruption, not droughts, are responsible for famines
... as the famed aphorism of Nobel Prize-winning economist Amartya Sen puts it, “no famine has ever taken place in the history of the world in a functioning democracy.”7 -
It's pointless. It will inevitably be argued otherwise. After all, they've been approved for use in food. But I don't believe that necessarily means they are safe. I still have my concerns.
If you must know, some of the additives I try to avoid BHA or BHT, artificial sweeteners, food dyes like blue # 1 & 2, red # 3 - just to name a few -sodium nitrate, sulfur dioxide, sodium benzoate, potassium bromate, high fructose corn syrup, MSG, and of course trans fats. Pesticides, artificial hormones, antibiotics… And the list goes on.
Many of these are on my list as well. I don't read food blogs either. Never heard of Food Babe outside MFP forums.1 -
kshama2001 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Do you have complete confidence that every chemical in your food Is safe for regular, repeated consumption? More power to ya. They said DDT was safe at one point. They said cigarettes were good for your health. They said BPA was safe. No one is saying if it's natural it's automatically safe, as in Hemlock. But you seem to be saying that chemicals are to be unquestionably trusted?
Every product has an inherent risk/reward.
DDT is singly responsible for saving countless lives due to malaria reduction. Was it worth the risk? Scientific evidence says yes. Media hyperbole says no.
No hall of science ever stated that cigarettes were good for you health. This is hyperbolic and patently false.
BPA is safe in the regulated dosage and form and a critical binding agent used in several medical products. Don't confuse scientific output with media hyperbole.
This and the anti-GMO pro famine hyperbole are two of my unpopular opinions that actually get me a little angry and hot under the collar.
We might not be able to turn famine ridden sub-Saharan Africa and southwest asia into Garden spots with trees and rivers. But we could at least make them a little less hellish to live in.
Anti-GMO = pro-famine? Wow.
War, corruption, and other forms of bad government, not lack of GMOs, cause famine.
War and corruption, not droughts, are responsible for famines
... as the famed aphorism of Nobel Prize-winning economist Amartya Sen puts it, “no famine has ever taken place in the history of the world in a functioning democracy.”
That economist either wasn't strong in the classics and missed the section on Livy or didn't include republics like Rome and the U.S. in the definition of democracies, because there was a famine in Rome in 441 BC (Rome became a republic in 509 BC). Lucius Minucius was appointed prefect of the granaries and started handing out a free or steeply discounted portion of grain to the plebes, thereby kicking off the famous "panem et circenses" blamed for later Roman problems (but preserving their functioning society in the meantime).
I think the statement would be more accurate if appended with "Thanks to agricultural innovations from the Industrial Revolution to the Green Revolution and beyond (which includes technologies from the tractor to synthetic fertilizers to hybrid and transgenic seed technologies), no famine has taken place in the past century in a functioning democracy." This would be more easily defended, because democracies beyond the classical examples have been a very recent political innovation, and anyways the normal course of agrarian history runs as follows: functioning society > drought/crop failure > non-functioning society/peasant rebellions/war > famine. In fact, the Green Revolution and industrialized agriculture makes it a lot easier for a democracy to exist in the first place.
In the US, although we are a republic and not a democracy, we would likely cease to be a functioning society before the actual famine set in, once all that panem et circensem stopped flowing, say, in the event of an EMP or the gas and oil stopped flowing.13 -
Also, while I am sad that the debate has moved on from porn, at least now I feel like I can make a more valuable contribution to the discussion, being pure as the driven snow. 12
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French_Peasant wrote: »Also, while I am sad that the debate has moved on from porn, at least now I feel like I can make a more valuable contribution to the discussion, being pure as the driven snow.
Porn will circle back around.
Especially when you scare us with that "EMP or the oil stops flowing" talk. :noway:2 -
cmriverside wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »Also, while I am sad that the debate has moved on from porn, at least now I feel like I can make a more valuable contribution to the discussion, being pure as the driven snow.
Porn will circle back around.
Especially when you scare us with that "EMP or the oil stops flowing" talk. :noway:
Look at me, I can combine both porn and agrarian issues: BROWN CHICKEN BROWN COW!!!!9 -
French_Peasant wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »Also, while I am sad that the debate has moved on from porn, at least now I feel like I can make a more valuable contribution to the discussion, being pure as the driven snow.
Porn will circle back around.
Especially when you scare us with that "EMP or the oil stops flowing" talk. :noway:
Look at me, I can combine both porn and agrarian issues: BROWN CHICKEN BROWN COW!!!!
Just don't fearmonger and suggest that the porn may stop flowing.
That's like 9/11 times 1000!4 -
French_Peasant wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »Also, while I am sad that the debate has moved on from porn, at least now I feel like I can make a more valuable contribution to the discussion, being pure as the driven snow.
Porn will circle back around.
Especially when you scare us with that "EMP or the oil stops flowing" talk. :noway:
Look at me, I can combine both porn and agrarian issues: BROWN CHICKEN BROWN COW!!!!
lolololol I hope you didn't fabricate that whole conversation to use that.
Wait. I hope you did. Well done. 4 -
French_Peasant wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »Also, while I am sad that the debate has moved on from porn, at least now I feel like I can make a more valuable contribution to the discussion, being pure as the driven snow.
Porn will circle back around.
Especially when you scare us with that "EMP or the oil stops flowing" talk. :noway:
Look at me, I can combine both porn and agrarian issues: BROWN CHICKEN BROWN COW!!!!
Just don't fearmonger and suggest that the porn may stop flowing.
That's like 9/11 times 1000!
I do note that the collapse of the Roman Empire is suspiciously concurrent with the flow of Roman porn being stopped....barbarians...famine....zombie mutant biker vikings....hmmm...we might be onto something here.4 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.
I don't agree with your doctor
Are you a HAES proponent?
Because I can tell you, as someone who undertook weight loss specifically because reaching a healthy body weight is recommended to manage my particular medical condition, it is totally FALSE that weight is not tied to health in many medical conditions.
In fact, although I am a healthy weight, my goal is to get to the very low end of BMI for optimal management of my medical condition.
I have two forms of arthritis. Arthritis is not a weight-neutral disease. Reaching and maintaining a healthy body weight is the best thing you can do for it, much as it was the same thing estherdragon could do for lymphedema. And yes, weight loss is the best thing you can do for that condition.
Losing weight has normalized my blood sugar, blood pressure, and lipid profile. My triglycerides are down nearly 4 fold. This is one of the weirdest cases of "la la la I can't hear you" I have ever seen, and I've seen a lot, including flat earthers and people who believe in high society reptilians. Obesity is strongly linked to some diseases and the correlation is quite direct and demonstrable.
I would argue that the lifestyle changes that you made normalized your blood sugar, blood pressure, etc. Weight loss is a byproduct of healthy lifestyle changes.
Is this like the chicken and the egg? What does it matter? :huh:
Weight loss is not an automatic byproduct. It's purely based on deficit eating, regardless of the food eaten.
So the real question is, would you get the same results if the same changes were made, but enough had never eaten at a deficit? Therefore, there would have been no weight loss.2 -
French_Peasant wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Do you have complete confidence that every chemical in your food Is safe for regular, repeated consumption? More power to ya. They said DDT was safe at one point. They said cigarettes were good for your health. They said BPA was safe. No one is saying if it's natural it's automatically safe, as in Hemlock. But you seem to be saying that chemicals are to be unquestionably trusted?
Every product has an inherent risk/reward.
DDT is singly responsible for saving countless lives due to malaria reduction. Was it worth the risk? Scientific evidence says yes. Media hyperbole says no.
No hall of science ever stated that cigarettes were good for you health. This is hyperbolic and patently false.
BPA is safe in the regulated dosage and form and a critical binding agent used in several medical products. Don't confuse scientific output with media hyperbole.
This and the anti-GMO pro famine hyperbole are two of my unpopular opinions that actually get me a little angry and hot under the collar.
We might not be able to turn famine ridden sub-Saharan Africa and southwest asia into Garden spots with trees and rivers. But we could at least make them a little less hellish to live in.
Anti-GMO = pro-famine? Wow.
War, corruption, and other forms of bad government, not lack of GMOs, cause famine.
War and corruption, not droughts, are responsible for famines
... as the famed aphorism of Nobel Prize-winning economist Amartya Sen puts it, “no famine has ever taken place in the history of the world in a functioning democracy.”
That economist either wasn't strong in the classics and missed the section on Livy or didn't include republics like Rome and the U.S. in the definition of democracies, because there was a famine in Rome in 441 BC (Rome became a republic in 509 BC). Lucius Minucius was appointed prefect of the granaries and started handing out a free or steeply discounted portion of grain to the plebes, thereby kicking off the famous "panem et circenses" blamed for later Roman problems (but preserving their functioning society in the meantime).
I think the statement would be more accurate if appended with "Thanks to agricultural innovations from the Industrial Revolution to the Green Revolution and beyond (which includes technologies from the tractor to synthetic fertilizers to hybrid and transgenic seed technologies), no famine has taken place in the past century in a functioning democracy." This would be more easily defended, because democracies beyond the classical examples have been a very recent political innovation, and anyways the normal course of agrarian history runs as follows: functioning society > drought/crop failure > non-functioning society/peasant rebellions/war > famine. In fact, the Green Revolution and industrialized agriculture makes it a lot easier for a democracy to exist in the first place.
In the US, although we are a republic and not a democracy, we would likely cease to be a functioning society before the actual famine set in, once all that panem et circensem stopped flowing, say, in the event of an EMP or the gas and oil stopped flowing.
I had high hopes for John Varley's Slow Apocalypse, about what could happen when the oil stopped flowing, but alas it wasn't especially well executed. Feels like someone else has been writing his books since "The Golden Globe."0 -
French_Peasant wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »Also, while I am sad that the debate has moved on from porn, at least now I feel like I can make a more valuable contribution to the discussion, being pure as the driven snow.
Porn will circle back around.
Especially when you scare us with that "EMP or the oil stops flowing" talk. :noway:
Look at me, I can combine both porn and agrarian issues: BROWN CHICKEN BROWN COW!!!!
Just don't fearmonger and suggest that the porn may stop flowing.
That's like 9/11 times 1000!
I do note that the collapse of the Roman Empire is suspiciously concurrent with the flow of Roman porn being stopped....barbarians...famine....zombie mutant biker vikings....hmmm...we might be onto something here.
You are absolutely one of my favorites. I just scared my coworkers with a cackle.
Also to stay on topic, I'm sure zombie porn is the source of all societal woes.5 -
kshama2001 wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Do you have complete confidence that every chemical in your food Is safe for regular, repeated consumption? More power to ya. They said DDT was safe at one point. They said cigarettes were good for your health. They said BPA was safe. No one is saying if it's natural it's automatically safe, as in Hemlock. But you seem to be saying that chemicals are to be unquestionably trusted?
Every product has an inherent risk/reward.
DDT is singly responsible for saving countless lives due to malaria reduction. Was it worth the risk? Scientific evidence says yes. Media hyperbole says no.
No hall of science ever stated that cigarettes were good for you health. This is hyperbolic and patently false.
BPA is safe in the regulated dosage and form and a critical binding agent used in several medical products. Don't confuse scientific output with media hyperbole.
This and the anti-GMO pro famine hyperbole are two of my unpopular opinions that actually get me a little angry and hot under the collar.
We might not be able to turn famine ridden sub-Saharan Africa and southwest asia into Garden spots with trees and rivers. But we could at least make them a little less hellish to live in.
Anti-GMO = pro-famine? Wow.
War, corruption, and other forms of bad government, not lack of GMOs, cause famine.
War and corruption, not droughts, are responsible for famines
... as the famed aphorism of Nobel Prize-winning economist Amartya Sen puts it, “no famine has ever taken place in the history of the world in a functioning democracy.”
That economist either wasn't strong in the classics and missed the section on Livy or didn't include republics like Rome and the U.S. in the definition of democracies, because there was a famine in Rome in 441 BC (Rome became a republic in 509 BC). Lucius Minucius was appointed prefect of the granaries and started handing out a free or steeply discounted portion of grain to the plebes, thereby kicking off the famous "panem et circenses" blamed for later Roman problems (but preserving their functioning society in the meantime).
I think the statement would be more accurate if appended with "Thanks to agricultural innovations from the Industrial Revolution to the Green Revolution and beyond (which includes technologies from the tractor to synthetic fertilizers to hybrid and transgenic seed technologies), no famine has taken place in the past century in a functioning democracy." This would be more easily defended, because democracies beyond the classical examples have been a very recent political innovation, and anyways the normal course of agrarian history runs as follows: functioning society > drought/crop failure > non-functioning society/peasant rebellions/war > famine. In fact, the Green Revolution and industrialized agriculture makes it a lot easier for a democracy to exist in the first place.
In the US, although we are a republic and not a democracy, we would likely cease to be a functioning society before the actual famine set in, once all that panem et circensem stopped flowing, say, in the event of an EMP or the gas and oil stopped flowing.
I had high hopes for John Varley's Slow Apocalypse, about what could happen when the oil stopped flowing, but alas it wasn't especially well executed. Feels like someone else has been writing his books since "The Golden Globe."
Ooh, freaky. I don't have to pick up the kids tonight so I read what I could using the "look inside" feature. You're right, the writing strikes some false notes but I might Kindle it, because it is very interesting, and now I want to find out what happens. I have read The Road (gold standard), One Second After (EMP scenario--pretty good), and Lucifer's Hammer (comet-hitting-earth scenario; again, not the greatest writing, but interesting).2 -
I "eat clean" most of the time and would rather eat tons of yummy healthier food then eating less yummy junk. Seems unpopular around these parts. Works for me though I eat like a queen7
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