Aspartame in diet sodas causes diabets and weight gain?!
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Carlos_421 wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Diet Pepsi uses Sucralose which is a derivative of sugar (pretty sure). But is aspartame free now. I treat myself to roughly 2 diet pops a week, depending. I just started though lol.
not all of the diet pepsi, some have aspartame and others dont. some have a combo.The silver label is aspartame free
You're right. Cherry and regular diet Pepsi is aspartame free, it says it on the can.
Thank you for clarifying!
I thought that was short lived and that they're back to aspartame?
In my area whenever I go to the store the diet and diet cherry Pepsi say aspartame free still. Can't say for anywhere else I suppose. If you find yours doesn't please let me know I wouldn't want to unknowingly misinform people.
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Carlos_421 wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Diet Pepsi uses Sucralose which is a derivative of sugar (pretty sure). But is aspartame free now. I treat myself to roughly 2 diet pops a week, depending. I just started though lol.
not all of the diet pepsi, some have aspartame and others dont. some have a combo.The silver label is aspartame free
You're right. Cherry and regular diet Pepsi is aspartame free, it says it on the can. Thank you for clarifying!
I thought that was short lived and that they're back to aspartame?
In my area whenever I go to the store the diet and diet cherry Pepsi say aspartame free still. Can't say for anywhere else I suppose. If you find yours doesn't please let me know I wouldn't want to unknowingly misinform people.
Looks like I had bad info. Just checked online and PepsiCo still lists sucralose in the ingredients for Diet Pepsi.1 -
I googled that and got this in a box:
They found that saccharin (a.k.a. Sweet'N Low), sucralose (a.k.a. Splenda) and aspartame (a.k.a. NutraSweet and Equal) raised blood sugar levels by dramatically changing the makeup of the gut microorganisms, mainly bacteria, that are in the intestines and help with nutrition and the immune system.
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20140917/artificial-sweeteners-blood-sugar17 -
TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »
I googled that and got this in a box:
They found that saccharin (a.k.a. Sweet'N Low), sucralose (a.k.a. Splenda) and aspartame (a.k.a. NutraSweet and Equal) raised blood sugar levels by dramatically changing the makeup of the gut microorganisms, mainly bacteria, that are in the intestines and help with nutrition and the immune system.
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20140917/artificial-sweeteners-blood-sugar
Be thankful that your not a mouse13 -
I'm a bear that can keep a conversation going.2
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TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »
I googled that and got this in a box:
They found that saccharin (a.k.a. Sweet'N Low), sucralose (a.k.a. Splenda) and aspartame (a.k.a. NutraSweet and Equal) raised blood sugar levels by dramatically changing the makeup of the gut microorganisms, mainly bacteria, that are in the intestines and help with nutrition and the immune system.
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20140917/artificial-sweeteners-blood-sugar
That's why diabetics are dropping dead everywhere as a result of using sugar substitutes...?15 -
Just something I googled. I don't really care about artificial sweeteners. I love diet coke in my rum. I'm not some kind of anti weirdo advocate.5
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singingflutelady wrote: »TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »I went to a family reunion. Those that grabbed a diet coke can were overweight or obese. Those that grabbed bottled water were thin or normal weight. No exceptions.
.... there has to be something to this. Taste buds, gut flora, craving for sweets? Or simply that people that choose water have a healthier life attitude? It could take decades to find out.
Maybe they choose water to nourish their body and that thinking leads to a healthier body.
* Those that drink water have always been normal body weight.
Science will tell us iun a few decades.... WHY? Could it be that those that cannot handle drinking even one glass of water have a tastebud issue?
Go hang out with a bunch of anorexics. They drink a lot of diet pop. I know tons of normal and underweight people who drink diet pop.
Similar to what I was just thinking.
I hate the taste of plain water. Hate hate hate it. I'll do Perrier, and use diet soda as a reward if I hit my fluid goals from coffee + tea + the Perrier.
I'm on the slimmer side of a healthy weight profile. Run half marathons. Working toward recovery from a restrictive eating disorder.
Obviously, my love of Diet Coke is just an indication that I'm a lard-covered irresponsible person who has a negative attitude toward healthy behavior.3 -
TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »
I googled that and got this in a box:
They found that saccharin (a.k.a. Sweet'N Low), sucralose (a.k.a. Splenda) and aspartame (a.k.a. NutraSweet and Equal) raised blood sugar levels by dramatically changing the makeup of the gut microorganisms, mainly bacteria, that are in the intestines and help with nutrition and the immune system.
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20140917/artificial-sweeteners-blood-sugar
I don't generally use webMD as a source, but from the same article:"The fact that this study’s findings are so vastly different from the preponderance of science on this issue is a signal to those evaluating it that there may be issues with the study design,” said Marianne Smith Edge, RD, in a statement. She's senior vice president of nutrition and food safety at the foundation.
Haley Stevens, PhD, president of the Calorie Control Council, also said the human as well as the mouse studies were too small to conclude that the findings apply to larger groups.
“In contrast to the assertions made by the researchers of this study, the overall evidence from studies on low-calorie sweeteners shows that these sweeteners are safe and do not have adverse effects on blood glucose control,” Stevens said in a statement.9 -
I know what sucrose is, sucralose is in sugar free foods. Sucralose is derived from sugar (Sucrose) is calorie free and does not affect blood sugar. Sucralose is also branded as Splenda.2 -
For anyone quoting medicle articles there's lots of paid studies by biased companies out there...
I would say if you're not getting the results you want, cut out artificial sugars for 2 weeks and see if that helps. Every body is different 14 -
people are quoting articles form journals that are peer reviewed, not funded by biased companies...4
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For anyone quoting medicle articles there's lots of paid studies by biased companies out there...
I would say if you're not getting the results you want, cut out artificial sugars for 2 weeks and see if that helps. Every body is different
Actually, when it comes to the laws of science, we are all fairly similar. Artificial sweeteners do not have calories. Therefore whatever beautifully unique anomalies a person might have, artificial sweeteners will not directly cause them to gain weight.
If they make a person hungrier, or psychologically cause them to think they can eat more, accurate logging will keep them in line. Those individuals may decide they are better off avoiding a particular sweetener that makes them hungry.
And those of us arguing that aspartame is safe and does not make you gain weight, are doing so because of a preponderance of peer reviewed studies and research over decades, sponsored and carried out by all different companies, research facilities, universities, and government agencies. As has been noted, aspartame is one of the most studied ingredients in history.14 -
For anyone quoting medicle articles there's lots of paid studies by biased companies out there...
I would say if you're not getting the results you want, cut out artificial sugars for 2 weeks and see if that helps. Every body is different
every body is different, but there are no bodies that gain weight on a 0 calorie sweetener.11 -
It's not the diet soda that makes you gain weight, it's the half a pizza that you eat with the diet soda. I can't tell you how many people I've seen order a Diet Coke in a restaurant and then order a 2,000-calorie entree to go with it.8
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Diet Pepsi uses Sucralose which is a derivative of sugar (pretty sure). But is aspartame free now. I treat myself to roughly 2 diet pops a week, depending. I just started though lol.
Sucralose is made from a sugar molecule (sucrose, IIRC) that has one of its Carbon atoms replaced by a chlorine atom. Aspartame is a bipeptide, made from two amino acids (remember, those are the building blocks of proteins).
Of the two, aspartame has been around longer and so has been studied more extensively. There is no evidence that either is harmful in moderation. IMO, sucralose tastes awful, so I stick with aspartame.Carlos_421 wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Diet Pepsi uses Sucralose which is a derivative of sugar (pretty sure). But is aspartame free now. I treat myself to roughly 2 diet pops a week, depending. I just started though lol.
not all of the diet pepsi, some have aspartame and others dont. some have a combo.The silver label is aspartame free
You're right. Cherry and regular diet Pepsi is aspartame free, it says it on the can. Thank you for clarifying!
I thought that was short lived and that they're back to aspartame?
Sadly, no, as far as I can tell. They have a "classic sweetener blend" of Diet Pepsi, which is aspartame, but the rest is still suckralose sucralose.
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I know what sucrose is, sucralose is in sugar free foods. Sucralose is derived from sugar (Sucrose) is calorie free and does not affect blood sugar. Sucralose is also branded as Splenda.
I'm going to pedantic for a moment.
Sucralose is, technically still a sugar and has 4 calories per gram. But it is super sweet, so one only needs such a small amount that the calories are basically insignificant. As a bipeptide (protein), aspartame also has 4 calories per gram, but again is sweet enough that the calories are considered insignificant.3 -
Diet Pepsi uses Sucralose which is a derivative of sugar (pretty sure). But is aspartame free now. I treat myself to roughly 2 diet pops a week, depending. I just started though lol.
Sucralose is made from a sugar molecule (sucrose, IIRC) that has one of its Carbon atoms replaced by a chlorine atom. Aspartame is a bipeptide, made from two amino acids (remember, those are the building blocks of proteins).
Of the two, aspartame has been around longer and so has been studied more extensively. There is no evidence that either is harmful in moderation. IMO, sucralose tastes awful, so I stick with aspartame.Carlos_421 wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Diet Pepsi uses Sucralose which is a derivative of sugar (pretty sure). But is aspartame free now. I treat myself to roughly 2 diet pops a week, depending. I just started though lol.
not all of the diet pepsi, some have aspartame and others dont. some have a combo.The silver label is aspartame free
You're right. Cherry and regular diet Pepsi is aspartame free, it says it on the can. Thank you for clarifying!
I thought that was short lived and that they're back to aspartame?
Sadly, no, as far as I can tell. They have a "classic sweetener blend" of Diet Pepsi, which is aspartame, but the rest is still suckralose sucralose.
And for my taste buds I prefer sucralose and aspartame tastes bitter. Aspartame also is a migraine trigger for me, so I stick with sucralose or sugar alcohols. But I have to be really careful with sugar alcohols.0 -
Muscleflex79 wrote: »For anyone quoting medicle articles there's lots of paid studies by biased companies out there...
I would say if you're not getting the results you want, cut out artificial sugars for 2 weeks and see if that helps. Every body is different
every body is different, but there are no bodies that gain weight on a 0 calorie sweetener.
As much as everyone wants to believe that bold, it's really not that true. Almost everything can be quantified into a statistical range that is fairly tight (i.e., metabolic rates). And yes, I do realize this is a bit pedantry. So sorry for that.3 -
PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »
I googled that and got this in a box:
They found that saccharin (a.k.a. Sweet'N Low), sucralose (a.k.a. Splenda) and aspartame (a.k.a. NutraSweet and Equal) raised blood sugar levels by dramatically changing the makeup of the gut microorganisms, mainly bacteria, that are in the intestines and help with nutrition and the immune system.
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20140917/artificial-sweeteners-blood-sugar
That's why diabetics are dropping dead everywhere as a result of using sugar substitutes...?
I'd like to know how sweeteners can magically make glucose appear out of thin air from "changing the makeup of the gut microorganisms".5 -
I know what sucrose is, sucralose is in sugar free foods. Sucralose is derived from sugar (Sucrose) is calorie free and does not affect blood sugar. Sucralose is also branded as Splenda.
I'm going to pedantic for a moment.
Sucralose is, technically still a sugar and has 4 calories per gram. But it is super sweet, so one only needs such a small amount that the calories are basically insignificant. As a bipeptide (protein), aspartame also has 4 calories per gram, but again is sweet enough that the calories are considered insignificant.
I think sucralose is a sugar alcohol and non-digestible. It passes through.0 -
There was a blurb on the radio this morning that they're doing a segment later today on aspartame and cancer/digestive issues and health concerns... I don't think the controversy surrounding aspartame is ever going to die down.1
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Christine_72 wrote: »There was a blurb on the radio this morning that they're doing a segment later today on aspartame and cancer/digestive issues and health concerns... I don't think the controversy surrounding aspartame is ever going to die down.
It seems to live in the same realm as the HPV vaccine.0 -
Not this old chestnut again. If someone can show me 2 dozen solid research studies from scholarly sources and not webmd or healthline or buzzfeed or holistichealthworld, I'd be more likely to worry about it. But when I did a meta analysis on the subject of aspartame and cancer, I didn't find a whole lot of solid evidence it's terrible for you. I'm not saying you should drink a liter a day. But a diet coke every now doesn't appear to be that awful.5
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stevencloser wrote: »
I know what sucrose is, sucralose is in sugar free foods. Sucralose is derived from sugar (Sucrose) is calorie free and does not affect blood sugar. Sucralose is also branded as Splenda.
I'm going to pedantic for a moment.
Sucralose is, technically still a sugar and has 4 calories per gram. But it is super sweet, so one only needs such a small amount that the calories are basically insignificant. As a bipeptide (protein), aspartame also has 4 calories per gram, but again is sweet enough that the calories are considered insignificant.
I think sucralose is a sugar alcohol and non-digestible. It passes through.
I'd have to go back and check to be positive, but I'm pretty sure sucralose is different from the sugar alcohols. Will try to follow up later (when I don't have a kid waiting for math help, lol)0 -
stevencloser wrote: »
I know what sucrose is, sucralose is in sugar free foods. Sucralose is derived from sugar (Sucrose) is calorie free and does not affect blood sugar. Sucralose is also branded as Splenda.
I'm going to pedantic for a moment.
Sucralose is, technically still a sugar and has 4 calories per gram. But it is super sweet, so one only needs such a small amount that the calories are basically insignificant. As a bipeptide (protein), aspartame also has 4 calories per gram, but again is sweet enough that the calories are considered insignificant.
I think sucralose is a sugar alcohol and non-digestible. It passes through.
I'd have to go back and check to be positive, but I'm pretty sure sucralose is different from the sugar alcohols. Will try to follow up later (when I don't have a kid waiting for math help, lol)
Sucralose is NOT a sugar alcohol.
Sucralose is sucrose (sugar) that has been modified by adding a chlorine atom; which is supposed to make it unable to be digested by humans. I've heard that some people are able to absorb it anyway, but I haven't been able to verify that. I know I don't convert sucralose to glucose, despite that I absorb some sugar alcohols. I would know because I have type 1 diabetes and use a continuous glucose monitor. I would notice the effect on BG, if any.4 -
stevencloser wrote: »
I know what sucrose is, sucralose is in sugar free foods. Sucralose is derived from sugar (Sucrose) is calorie free and does not affect blood sugar. Sucralose is also branded as Splenda.
I'm going to pedantic for a moment.
Sucralose is, technically still a sugar and has 4 calories per gram. But it is super sweet, so one only needs such a small amount that the calories are basically insignificant. As a bipeptide (protein), aspartame also has 4 calories per gram, but again is sweet enough that the calories are considered insignificant.
I think sucralose is a sugar alcohol and non-digestible. It passes through.
I know wikipedia isn't the ideal source, but it does show diagrams of the sucralose molecule and has some interesting information on its "discovery" as a sweetener. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucralose. It is a saccharide (sugar) molecule with chlorine in 3 locations actually.midwesterner85 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »
I know what sucrose is, sucralose is in sugar free foods. Sucralose is derived from sugar (Sucrose) is calorie free and does not affect blood sugar. Sucralose is also branded as Splenda.
I'm going to pedantic for a moment.
Sucralose is, technically still a sugar and has 4 calories per gram. But it is super sweet, so one only needs such a small amount that the calories are basically insignificant. As a bipeptide (protein), aspartame also has 4 calories per gram, but again is sweet enough that the calories are considered insignificant.
I think sucralose is a sugar alcohol and non-digestible. It passes through.
I'd have to go back and check to be positive, but I'm pretty sure sucralose is different from the sugar alcohols. Will try to follow up later (when I don't have a kid waiting for math help, lol)
Sucralose is NOT a sugar alcohol.
Sucralose is sucrose (sugar) that has been modified by adding a chlorine atom; which is supposed to make it unable to be digested by humans. I've heard that some people are able to absorb it anyway, but I haven't been able to verify that. I know I don't convert sucralose to glucose, despite that I absorb some sugar alcohols. I would know because I have type 1 diabetes and use a continuous glucose monitor. I would notice the effect on BG, if any.
As mentioned above, it's not that sucralose is indigestible, it's that it is so sweet that the amount used of actual sweetener is very small (most of what is in your packet of Splenda is binding agents or fillers, not the sweetener itself). So what is used is insignificant in affecting BG or insulin response.2 -
stevencloser wrote: »
I know what sucrose is, sucralose is in sugar free foods. Sucralose is derived from sugar (Sucrose) is calorie free and does not affect blood sugar. Sucralose is also branded as Splenda.
I'm going to pedantic for a moment.
Sucralose is, technically still a sugar and has 4 calories per gram. But it is super sweet, so one only needs such a small amount that the calories are basically insignificant. As a bipeptide (protein), aspartame also has 4 calories per gram, but again is sweet enough that the calories are considered insignificant.
I think sucralose is a sugar alcohol and non-digestible. It passes through.
I know wikipedia isn't the ideal source, but it does show diagrams of the sucralose molecule and has some interesting information on its "discovery" as a sweetener. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucralose. It is a saccharide (sugar) molecule with chlorine in 3 locations actually.midwesterner85 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »
I know what sucrose is, sucralose is in sugar free foods. Sucralose is derived from sugar (Sucrose) is calorie free and does not affect blood sugar. Sucralose is also branded as Splenda.
I'm going to pedantic for a moment.
Sucralose is, technically still a sugar and has 4 calories per gram. But it is super sweet, so one only needs such a small amount that the calories are basically insignificant. As a bipeptide (protein), aspartame also has 4 calories per gram, but again is sweet enough that the calories are considered insignificant.
I think sucralose is a sugar alcohol and non-digestible. It passes through.
I'd have to go back and check to be positive, but I'm pretty sure sucralose is different from the sugar alcohols. Will try to follow up later (when I don't have a kid waiting for math help, lol)
Sucralose is NOT a sugar alcohol.
Sucralose is sucrose (sugar) that has been modified by adding a chlorine atom; which is supposed to make it unable to be digested by humans. I've heard that some people are able to absorb it anyway, but I haven't been able to verify that. I know I don't convert sucralose to glucose, despite that I absorb some sugar alcohols. I would know because I have type 1 diabetes and use a continuous glucose monitor. I would notice the effect on BG, if any.
As mentioned above, it's not that sucralose is indigestible, it's that it is so sweet that the amount used of actual sweetener is very small (most of what is in your packet of Splenda is binding agents or fillers, not the sweetener itself). So what is used is insignificant in affecting BG or insulin response.
I believe we agree - or maybe not, but let's clarify some things: There is a difference between something passing through vs. being absorbed first and then excreted unchanged vs. being absorbed and digesting, converting to glucose, or storing as fat.
In the case of sucralose, most just passes through. A small amount (10%-15%) is temporarily absorbed by cells and then excreted unchanged. It doesn't get permanently absorbed, digested, converted to glucose, or stored.
Unless you actually believe that sucralose becomes glucose, we are saying the same thing. The only difference is that you are adding in the trivial point that it doesn't all just go straight through us without stopping at Go and without collecting $200... a small amount goes through in a less direct route.0 -
midwesterner85 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »
I know what sucrose is, sucralose is in sugar free foods. Sucralose is derived from sugar (Sucrose) is calorie free and does not affect blood sugar. Sucralose is also branded as Splenda.
I'm going to pedantic for a moment.
Sucralose is, technically still a sugar and has 4 calories per gram. But it is super sweet, so one only needs such a small amount that the calories are basically insignificant. As a bipeptide (protein), aspartame also has 4 calories per gram, but again is sweet enough that the calories are considered insignificant.
I think sucralose is a sugar alcohol and non-digestible. It passes through.
I know wikipedia isn't the ideal source, but it does show diagrams of the sucralose molecule and has some interesting information on its "discovery" as a sweetener. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucralose. It is a saccharide (sugar) molecule with chlorine in 3 locations actually.midwesterner85 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »
I know what sucrose is, sucralose is in sugar free foods. Sucralose is derived from sugar (Sucrose) is calorie free and does not affect blood sugar. Sucralose is also branded as Splenda.
I'm going to pedantic for a moment.
Sucralose is, technically still a sugar and has 4 calories per gram. But it is super sweet, so one only needs such a small amount that the calories are basically insignificant. As a bipeptide (protein), aspartame also has 4 calories per gram, but again is sweet enough that the calories are considered insignificant.
I think sucralose is a sugar alcohol and non-digestible. It passes through.
I'd have to go back and check to be positive, but I'm pretty sure sucralose is different from the sugar alcohols. Will try to follow up later (when I don't have a kid waiting for math help, lol)
Sucralose is NOT a sugar alcohol.
Sucralose is sucrose (sugar) that has been modified by adding a chlorine atom; which is supposed to make it unable to be digested by humans. I've heard that some people are able to absorb it anyway, but I haven't been able to verify that. I know I don't convert sucralose to glucose, despite that I absorb some sugar alcohols. I would know because I have type 1 diabetes and use a continuous glucose monitor. I would notice the effect on BG, if any.
As mentioned above, it's not that sucralose is indigestible, it's that it is so sweet that the amount used of actual sweetener is very small (most of what is in your packet of Splenda is binding agents or fillers, not the sweetener itself). So what is used is insignificant in affecting BG or insulin response.
I believe we agree - or maybe not, but let's clarify some things: There is a difference between something passing through vs. being absorbed first and then excreted unchanged vs. being absorbed and digesting, converting to glucose, or storing as fat.
In the case of sucralose, most just passes through. A small amount (10%-15%) is temporarily absorbed by cells and then excreted unchanged. It doesn't get permanently absorbed, digested, converted to glucose, or stored.
Unless you actually believe that sucralose becomes glucose, we are saying the same thing. The only difference is that you are adding in the trivial point that it doesn't all just go straight through us without stopping at Go and without collecting $200... a small amount goes through in a less direct route.
The thing about using Splenda and its generic equivalent is the delivery method. If you use the liquid version (sucralose suspended in water) there is very little sucralose consume and minimal absorption. If you use the dry version (packets or spoonable), the binding agents are either maltodextrin or dextrose. Both maltodextrin and dextrose are carbohydrates and can be absorbed by the body. Normally the amount of binders consumed in the course of one meal should not be a significant amount that would cause an adverse response. I am not sure about diet soda, but I would guess that manufacturers use only the liquid version of sucralose, so there is minimal absorption.2
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