Do you believe it is ALL just CICO?
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Look up the Twinkie diet. In my opinion yes it is all about calories in and calories out.2
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Ericnutrition wrote: »
Just an FYI this is not a non-plant based vegan diet. They use animal lard in them.
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For weight loss yes it is just CICO.
For health and satisfaction no it is not just CICO.5 -
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So, I am under the impression that if I eat burn more calories than I eat, I will lose weight. Is it that simple?
For example, if i eat food with little to no nutritional value, what one might call, garbage...but stay under my calorie goal, will I still lose weight?
Now, this isn't how I conduct my day to day life, but I am a teacher and somedays rely solely on candy, chips, and other assorted snacks to get through the day.
Thoughts?
It's basic math.
A calorie is a unit of energy. Your body needs XXXX units of that energy to maintain the status quo and function optimally. When you consume energy in excess of what you require, that surplus energy is stored as body fat...it's your backup energy source...your backup generator. When you consume less energy than your body requires, that deficiency has to be reconciled...so your backup generator kicks on and you burn body fat to make up the deficiency.
I tend to eat a diet that is rich in whole food nutrition...I also have pizza nights and like to get my pub grub on at times and will occasionally swing by a Wendy's or McDonalds on a road trip or something.3 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Here are 5 factors of weight loss that often get overlooked.
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Hormone reset diet?
LMFAO!11 -
In your busy teacher role, I am wondering how accurate you are at logging all those junky snacks? Relying on them could push you in to more CI than CO. Another poster suggested packing some protein to balance all the readily available carby snacks. A couple hard boiled eggs or a tuna snack pack could do the trick. You could also pre-log your planned snacks/meals for the day. Then you can remain in a calorie deficit regardless of the quality of the calories that day.0
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This is the extreme example to show you that, yes, it really is just CICO for WEIGHT LOSS. However, as others have stated, there's more to health than just your weight.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html0 -
andrederosier wrote: »No though it is a big part. Unfortunately nutrition and metabolism also play large roles. You calories consumed get turned into glucose for fuel but you need other nutrients in the process of burning that fuel. Also the body adapts so your metabolism changes to match your calorie intake which causes stalls and rapid weight gain once you go off diet. The simple calorie out part gets complicated by metabolic changes. Just my two cents though.
I actually don't think this entire comment is woo, but I do think the bolded part is. People really latch onto anything that complicates the CICO model, but I suspect that's largely grasping for a reason they aren't losing weight as expected when the real issue is poor deficit compliance. Yes, people do have different metabolisms (i.e. BMR and NEAT), but that doesn't mean CICO is any less applicable. Some people have difficulty digesting certain macros, but CICO still applies. If you're not losing weight, eat less and/or move more.7 -
If we're talking purely about weight loss, all you have to do is create a deficit, regardless of food choices.
If we're talking about weight loss AND health, or weight loss AND satiety, or weight loss AND body composition, we have to consider CICO AND other factors. Where we tend to get into fights is when we have half of the people just talking about weight loss and half of the people talking about weight loss and some other factor.
Whether we're considering just weight loss or weight loss + something else, though, the base is still CICO. Without the deficit, weight loss won't happen.
If you're asking whether a few days now and then of eating food that isn't super nutrient-dense is going to hurt you, the answer is no. Our bodies evolved to handle famines and food environments where we couldn't always get balanced nutrition; they're stronger and more resilient than we tend to give them credit for. Maybe don't do it every day, but if you have some days where you're running on junk food, don't worry about it.10 -
If we're talking purely about weight loss, all you have to do is create a deficit, regardless of food choices.
If we're talking about weight loss AND health, or weight loss AND satiety, or weight loss AND body composition, we have to consider CICO AND other factors. Where we tend to get into fights is when we have half of the people just talking about weight loss and half of the people talking about weight loss and some other factor.
THIS.
I honestly believe it depends where you are in your weight loss journey, and what your goals are.
I'm at a perfectly healthy weight and now into aesthetics rather than simple weight loss, and it turns out to be WAY more complicated than CICO for me to achieve my goals.3 -
Ericnutrition wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
You can call it what you want.
One guy (allegedly) ate Twinkies for an extended period of time and lost weight. It's not worth citing.
Just like citing a guy did not count calories on keto and lost weight proves that you don't have to count calories.
Both are ridiculous.
There is a big difference. It takes only one white crow to prove that not all crows are black. To disprove the claim that you can't lose weight eating junk food, one person who ate junk food and lost weight is enough. Of course it would need to be accurately measured and documented, which I'm not sure the twinkie case is. In the case of a person who lost weight eating keto without counting calories, that doesn't contradict with any claim. Counting calories is not required for the CICO equation to apply.12 -
Ericnutrition wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
You can call it what you want.
One guy (allegedly) ate Twinkies for an extended period of time and lost weight. It's not worth citing.
Just like citing a guy did not count calories on keto and lost weight proves that you don't have to count calories.
Both are ridiculous.
You don't have to count calories, though. You do have to be in a calorie deficit, but that doesn't require counting.8 -
Ericnutrition wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
You can call it what you want.
One guy (allegedly) ate Twinkies for an extended period of time and lost weight. It's not worth citing.
Just like citing a guy did not count calories on keto and lost weight proves that you don't have to count calories.
Both are ridiculous.
Both of those statements are ostensibly true; why are they ridiculous?
Here are 3 papers which performed isocaloric studies:
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2016/07/05/ajcn.116.133561.full.pdf+html
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/30/2/160.short
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/135/10/2387.long
But you can just find any isocaloric ward study- they will all have approximately the same results.
Really though, how many people reading this will click on any of those study links versus how many people will click on the article about the Twinkies guy?8 -
Ericnutrition wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
You can call it what you want.
One guy (allegedly) ate Twinkies for an extended period of time and lost weight. It's not worth citing.
Just like citing a guy did not count calories on keto and lost weight proves that you don't have to count calories.
Both are ridiculous.
You don't have to count calories to lose weight, you just have to be in the calorie deficit. Every person that loses weight, is in a calorie deficit whether they are counting them or not, so when you stopped counting calories after 6 weeks or whatever it was, you were still in a deficit even though you didn't have numbers to look at. You focus too much on the little things, to draw conclusions that just aren't there.
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