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piperdown44 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »I witnessed cake culturalism yesterday. I attended a meeting where one of the participants brought in donuts for his birthday, and wow, were people ever excited. People were coming and going from the meeting, and those joining late were told that it was Joe's birthday and that they better get a donut before it was too late.
Being a guest and an unfamiliar face, I was asked to get a donut maybe 4-5 times by different people. Towards lunch, there seemed to be some anxiety that I was going to experience deep regret if I didn't claim a donut for myself. It didn't fit into my eating plan yesterday so I politely declined and no one overtly judged me. It seemed like maybe some felt sorry for me because I didn't know what I was missing and that I was foolishly declining an amazing opportunity, as if I was rejecting some rare and exotic food that I would never have the chance to experience again.
I have several more meetings scheduled with this group in the future, so I think that I will just put a donut on a plate, cover it with a napkin, and leave it on the table during the meeting. I think that will make certain people feel better.
Was it cake donuts or regular donuts?
If it wasn't cake donuts, can't be cake culture, it would be bread culture.
I think that "cake culture" encompasses all forms of desserts- it has more of a ring to it than "dessert culture", I suppose.3 -
True chili has NO beans and chunks of beef, not ground beef (don't get me started on white chili or green chili). No, I am not from Texas.
Growing up, we had bowl chili and thick chili. Usually my Dad was the chili maker (his parents owned a Mom and Pop diner in the 20's and 30's so he was always comfortable in the kitchen) so he would start out with thick chili that we would eat over smashed potatoes. After a day or two of that, he would thin it down with tomato juice and we would have bowl chili.3 -
BTW, I am having cake and champagne this evening (celebrating my B'day a day late). The one day a year I succumb to true "cake culture".13
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Before I started using MFP I honestly never realized that so many people have food on their mind all of the time.
Maybe it just comes up a lot since this is a diet and fitness site?
And a 500 calorie piece of cake is the perfect food for someone looking to eat a nutritional low calorie diet?
Depends. Low calorie compared to what. And what is the composition of the rest of said persons diet that day/week. Context and dose dude. Context and dose. It always amazes me how some people consistently struggle with this concept.
Cakes, cookies and other grain based desserts make up the highest percentage of calories out of 25 food groups in the US diet.
http://www.businessinsider.com/foods-that-make-up-most-of-the-calories-american-consume-2015-2
70% of Americans are overweight/obese.
Yep, context and dose dude, context and dose.
It's great that 5-6 posters on this topic have no issue with controlling these item, not like that out in the real world.
No one said that there aren't many people who have their dosages wrong.
Plus, I'd wager than "cake culture" makes up an extremely tiny percentage compared to little Debbie's, hostess, nabisco and Keebler that people stock their own cabinets with.
True, the amount of these items (cakes, cookies, brownies, etc, things I would consider part of the cake culture food group) eaten at work, may be relatively small for some, but the calories are the same regardless of where they are consumed.
What's really sad is grain based desserts, soda/energy drinks and alcohol, items with virtually no nutritional value, make up 3 of the top 5 sources of calories. Fruits and veggies (with the exception of fried white potatoes) don't even make the top 25 items
I totally agree that it's terrible that the average person in the US eats so few veg, but veg would never rank high on what people eat ranked by calories in that they are quite low cal. I aim for 10+ servings of veg per day, and still they don't rank #1 on my calorie sources, or even close.
I wish I logged better, but looking at a day last week where I logged and ate about 10 servings of veg (total calories were less than 1700), and was trying to eat lower carb, higher fat and had 127 g protein, 34 g sugar, my main sources of calories were:
1) Meat (consisting of salmon and turkey) (388 kcal)
1) Nuts (nuts and nut butter, which I dipped chocolate in) (388 kcal)
3) Veg (more carrots and red peppers and less greens than usual, so might skew higher) (280 kcal)
4) Dairy (190 kcal)
5) Oil (all olive on that day) (180 kcal)
6) Eggs (154 kcal)
7) Chocolate (85 kcal)
8) Fruit (I juiced half a lime) (about 5 kcal -- normally would have more, but was lowering carbs)
If you wanted to critique my diet, oil has essentially no nutrients, chocolate is not insignificant, fruit is really low, and dairy and nuts probably higher than nutrition would really justified (but it's one day). Still a reasonably nutritious day and well below my personal TDEE (which suggests to me there's some room for 138 kcal of less nutritious stuff) and still veg are not top and would not reasonably be (unless I were a vegan or vegetarian and even then aren't legumes and all grains (like corn) and potatoes in separate categories from veg?
Wondering if sweet oats would count as "grain-based dessert"? No real reason why they shouldn't, as some would eat them (or cereal) as such.
This. I eat a ton of fruit and vegetables, yet they never appear in my top calorie sources on Cronometer. If you were looking at where the bulk of my calories came from for the last week, the top sources are things like gumbo, lentils, and cashew cheese. The only time vegetables show up is when they're mixed in a dish with more calorie-dense foods like rice, coconut milk, or plant oils.
Lentils are vegetables
I imagine most days more calories come from fat than vegetables for me.
Technically, yes. I tend to consider legumes a somewhat separate category, but I realize not everyone does.
Can I ask why?
Hypothesis: Since Jane is a vegan, she considers them in a protein category.
Oh. Protein makes them not a vegetable? I don't get it, but I suppose it doesn't matter.
They aren't really veggies because legumes add nitrogen to the soil where veggies don't.
Seriously? Where did you hear/read that? Legumes count toward servings of vegetables in the food plate/pyramid.
ah well that would be why farmers rotate their crops esp when they can't get nitrogen rich fertilizer...
<<<<farm girl that lives in McCain country....aka potato country etc.
well known fact when you are a gardener/farmer etc. and the people around you take their fields seriously and actually get degrees in it.
Sorry, I didn't mean where did you hear legumes add nitrogen to the soil, I meant where did you hear that adding nitrogen to the soil was a determining factor in whether something was a vegetable or not.
was just putting a theroy out there as to why people may not consider them veggies...
They are a class of veggie but distinct enough to have their own order/family (I think that's the way that goes)1 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »I witnessed cake culturalism yesterday. I attended a meeting where one of the participants brought in donuts for his birthday, and wow, were people ever excited. People were coming and going from the meeting, and those joining late were told that it was Joe's birthday and that they better get a donut before it was too late.
Being a guest and an unfamiliar face, I was asked to get a donut maybe 4-5 times by different people. Towards lunch, there seemed to be some anxiety that I was going to experience deep regret if I didn't claim a donut for myself. It didn't fit into my eating plan yesterday so I politely declined and no one overtly judged me. It seemed like maybe some felt sorry for me because I didn't know what I was missing and that I was foolishly declining an amazing opportunity, as if I was rejecting some rare and exotic food that I would never have the chance to experience again.
I have several more meetings scheduled with this group in the future, so I think that I will just put a donut on a plate, cover it with a napkin, and leave it on the table during the meeting. I think that will make certain people feel better.
This is hilarious--I am cracking up over this. Were they, like, Dunkin Donuts, or were they actually something special? Because if they were comparable to the doughnuts known as "Amish Crack" around here, I can understand the concern that you experience the awesomeness.
Apple cider donuts or go home!
When people bring in breakfast here (maybe once a month?) there's usually some Munchkins plus bagels/cream cheese. Never seen anyone get too stoked about it, but it's just in the kitchen.
A former intern brought in Stan's Donuts twice (over the course of a summer), which got a bit more enthusiasm, but no pressure to consume them (and we do have people who cut them in half and take a half). My Polish-American assistant, who bakes, brings in paczkis on Shrove Tuesday, and I always eat half of one (I am not a huge donut person -- unless apple cider, again -- but feel it's my tribute to the day and to Chicago).
So, you can put this to the test; apparently Rise n' Roll sells at the Daley Plaza Farmer's Market. You have to try the cinnamon caramel powdered doughnut. https://risenroll.com/donuts/0 -
For me "true" chili does not have beans. I live in TX but am not from TX. However, I'm pretty flexible, so I'm not going to argue with someone calling something chili when it has beans in it. I've eaten all kinds of chili - with beans, without beans, ground meat, chunks of meat, white, red, green. We have a chili cook-off at my office every Halloween (I've been coordinating it for the past two years), and there are all kinds of chili that people bring, and I generally sample all of them. I even made chili myself a couple years that included steak tips, masa, chocolate and Mexican beer. No beans, but not sure that it qualifies as true chili either.3
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »I witnessed cake culturalism yesterday. I attended a meeting where one of the participants brought in donuts for his birthday, and wow, were people ever excited. People were coming and going from the meeting, and those joining late were told that it was Joe's birthday and that they better get a donut before it was too late.
Being a guest and an unfamiliar face, I was asked to get a donut maybe 4-5 times by different people. Towards lunch, there seemed to be some anxiety that I was going to experience deep regret if I didn't claim a donut for myself. It didn't fit into my eating plan yesterday so I politely declined and no one overtly judged me. It seemed like maybe some felt sorry for me because I didn't know what I was missing and that I was foolishly declining an amazing opportunity, as if I was rejecting some rare and exotic food that I would never have the chance to experience again.
I have several more meetings scheduled with this group in the future, so I think that I will just put a donut on a plate, cover it with a napkin, and leave it on the table during the meeting. I think that will make certain people feel better.
This is hilarious--I am cracking up over this. Were they, like, Dunkin Donuts, or were they actually something special? Because if they were comparable to the doughnuts known as "Amish Crack" around here, I can understand the concern that you experience the awesomeness.
Krispy Kreme - good donuts, but not exactly life-changing.
Now there is an unpopular opinion.
I hate Krispy Kreme donuts. To be fair, I don't care for donuts in general but I think they are the absolute worst I've ever had.
I do too, but I was told they are different warm out of the oven, which admittedly we don't get here.
I think having them available in stores actually hurts their business/reputation because they are NOT good from the store.
Eating them warm from the restaurant though...it's like eating a baby angel.9 -
Chili must have beans or it is not chili. Nobody will be able to convince me otherwise.7
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »I witnessed cake culturalism yesterday. I attended a meeting where one of the participants brought in donuts for his birthday, and wow, were people ever excited. People were coming and going from the meeting, and those joining late were told that it was Joe's birthday and that they better get a donut before it was too late.
Being a guest and an unfamiliar face, I was asked to get a donut maybe 4-5 times by different people. Towards lunch, there seemed to be some anxiety that I was going to experience deep regret if I didn't claim a donut for myself. It didn't fit into my eating plan yesterday so I politely declined and no one overtly judged me. It seemed like maybe some felt sorry for me because I didn't know what I was missing and that I was foolishly declining an amazing opportunity, as if I was rejecting some rare and exotic food that I would never have the chance to experience again.
I have several more meetings scheduled with this group in the future, so I think that I will just put a donut on a plate, cover it with a napkin, and leave it on the table during the meeting. I think that will make certain people feel better.
This is hilarious--I am cracking up over this. Were they, like, Dunkin Donuts, or were they actually something special? Because if they were comparable to the doughnuts known as "Amish Crack" around here, I can understand the concern that you experience the awesomeness.
Those Amish donuts are crack.... Now I want to take a trip to Reading Terminal Market.
I've heard about that guy, but it's been a while since I've been to downtown Philly so I have yet to inspect his wares. Are they the super-light yeast ones, dipped in caramel and sprinkled with powdered sugar? I do get a little jittery just thinking about them. The ones I get have very few outlets, but the Amish Mafia is starting to expand into Chicago. If they think they have trouble with pop, holy crap, wait till these hit the streets.
They are sold by the Amish people themselves and they have like 4 booths at the Market for various items. Their soft pretzels are also crack. The donuts are yeast and fried with a bunch of different flavors to choose from. I personally like the bacon caramel one.
It's the Heirloom Yeast.
It's a thing. Never touched by electricity yeast. No zippers yeast.
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I think my family is succumbing to cake culture... No desserts for more than 6 months and then suddenly mom made amaretto cheesecake yesterday and my sister is making lemon poppyseed cupcakes with cream cheese frosting today. No occasion, no event, just because. I need to put a stop to it (by eating the entire batch).9
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Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »I witnessed cake culturalism yesterday. I attended a meeting where one of the participants brought in donuts for his birthday, and wow, were people ever excited. People were coming and going from the meeting, and those joining late were told that it was Joe's birthday and that they better get a donut before it was too late.
Being a guest and an unfamiliar face, I was asked to get a donut maybe 4-5 times by different people. Towards lunch, there seemed to be some anxiety that I was going to experience deep regret if I didn't claim a donut for myself. It didn't fit into my eating plan yesterday so I politely declined and no one overtly judged me. It seemed like maybe some felt sorry for me because I didn't know what I was missing and that I was foolishly declining an amazing opportunity, as if I was rejecting some rare and exotic food that I would never have the chance to experience again.
I have several more meetings scheduled with this group in the future, so I think that I will just put a donut on a plate, cover it with a napkin, and leave it on the table during the meeting. I think that will make certain people feel better.
You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about what other people might be thinking about you and food. That level of focus on the donuts at the meeting would never occur to me.
No, am I sharing my experiences that pertain to a subject featured in this forum. Voila, the very purpose of participating in forums has been revealed.
Maybe that's all we're doing...but you say we think about food all the time...4 -
Muffins are cake, right? Because I could get behind Muffin Culture.
Part of the thing I don't like about cake is the sharing part. (fist-bump Bry_Lander)
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Carlos_421 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »I witnessed cake culturalism yesterday. I attended a meeting where one of the participants brought in donuts for his birthday, and wow, were people ever excited. People were coming and going from the meeting, and those joining late were told that it was Joe's birthday and that they better get a donut before it was too late.
Being a guest and an unfamiliar face, I was asked to get a donut maybe 4-5 times by different people. Towards lunch, there seemed to be some anxiety that I was going to experience deep regret if I didn't claim a donut for myself. It didn't fit into my eating plan yesterday so I politely declined and no one overtly judged me. It seemed like maybe some felt sorry for me because I didn't know what I was missing and that I was foolishly declining an amazing opportunity, as if I was rejecting some rare and exotic food that I would never have the chance to experience again.
I have several more meetings scheduled with this group in the future, so I think that I will just put a donut on a plate, cover it with a napkin, and leave it on the table during the meeting. I think that will make certain people feel better.
You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about what other people might be thinking about you and food. That level of focus on the donuts at the meeting would never occur to me.
No, am I sharing my experiences that pertain to a subject featured in this forum. Voila, the very purpose of participating in forums has been revealed.
Maybe that's all we're doing...but you say we think about food all the time...
I never said "all of you" or specifically "you", you applied the comment to yourself.5 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »I witnessed cake culturalism yesterday. I attended a meeting where one of the participants brought in donuts for his birthday, and wow, were people ever excited. People were coming and going from the meeting, and those joining late were told that it was Joe's birthday and that they better get a donut before it was too late.
Being a guest and an unfamiliar face, I was asked to get a donut maybe 4-5 times by different people. Towards lunch, there seemed to be some anxiety that I was going to experience deep regret if I didn't claim a donut for myself. It didn't fit into my eating plan yesterday so I politely declined and no one overtly judged me. It seemed like maybe some felt sorry for me because I didn't know what I was missing and that I was foolishly declining an amazing opportunity, as if I was rejecting some rare and exotic food that I would never have the chance to experience again.
I have several more meetings scheduled with this group in the future, so I think that I will just put a donut on a plate, cover it with a napkin, and leave it on the table during the meeting. I think that will make certain people feel better.
You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about what other people might be thinking about you and food. That level of focus on the donuts at the meeting would never occur to me.
No, am I sharing my experiences that pertain to a subject featured in this forum. Voila, the very purpose of participating in forums has been revealed.
Maybe that's all we're doing...but you say we think about food all the time...
I never said "all of you" or specifically "you", you applied the comment to yourself.
I was using the royal "we" as in forum users.7 -
I did not know people felt so passionately about beans in chili (or lack thereof). But whatever your preference at no point can you call it a stew. Or soup. WTF is that about!? And serving it with spaghetti? You over the ponders are a weird lot.
As a Brit who experiences no regional variations of chili beyond are you fancy and put a bit of dark chocolate in and puts beans in if I have them and considers chili to be about the flavour more than anything (so I'm also cool with vegi varieties) I find this whole conversation entertaining. We probably break all kinds of rules though as it's most often served with rice here. Or loaded nachos.
I am partial to a chili cheese dog when on your fine shores though.5 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »I witnessed cake culturalism yesterday. I attended a meeting where one of the participants brought in donuts for his birthday, and wow, were people ever excited. People were coming and going from the meeting, and those joining late were told that it was Joe's birthday and that they better get a donut before it was too late.
Being a guest and an unfamiliar face, I was asked to get a donut maybe 4-5 times by different people. Towards lunch, there seemed to be some anxiety that I was going to experience deep regret if I didn't claim a donut for myself. It didn't fit into my eating plan yesterday so I politely declined and no one overtly judged me. It seemed like maybe some felt sorry for me because I didn't know what I was missing and that I was foolishly declining an amazing opportunity, as if I was rejecting some rare and exotic food that I would never have the chance to experience again.
I have several more meetings scheduled with this group in the future, so I think that I will just put a donut on a plate, cover it with a napkin, and leave it on the table during the meeting. I think that will make certain people feel better.
You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about what other people might be thinking about you and food. That level of focus on the donuts at the meeting would never occur to me.
No, am I sharing my experiences that pertain to a subject featured in this forum. Voila, the very purpose of participating in forums has been revealed.
Maybe that's all we're doing...but you say we think about food all the time...
I never said "all of you" or specifically "you", you applied the comment to yourself.
I was using the royal "we" as in forum users.
My exact words:
"Before I started using MFP I honestly never realized that so many people have food on their mind all of the time."
"So many people" doesn't equal everyone, you are bending over backwards to take exception to something that you chose to own.5 -
@VintageFeline, Texans just think they're the inventers of things like chili and the interwebz.7
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VintageFeline wrote: »I did not know people felt so passionately about beans in chili (or lack thereof). But whatever your preference at no point can you call it a stew. Or soup. WTF is that about!? And serving it with spaghetti? You over the ponders are a weird lot.
As a Brit who experiences no regional variations of chili beyond are you fancy and put a bit of dark chocolate in and puts beans in if I have them and considers chili to be about the flavour more than anything (so I'm also cool with vegi varieties) I find this whole conversation entertaining. We probably break all kinds of rules though as it's most often served with rice here. Or loaded nachos.
I am partial to a chili cheese dog when on your fine shores though.
Yeah... Cincinnati is weird with the chili. Had it a few times while I was visiting there. It's sounds strange to eat it over spaghetti, but it actually works really well. (Not much different than a meaty spaghetti sauce, except the flavor profile is much different).
It's not unheard of to put chili over nachos here either. I've had it over rice too... although I'm more likely to do that with beef stew.
We have a guy at my office who makes a green chili using tomatillos, and it is delicious.
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cmriverside wrote: »@VintageFeline, Texans just think they're the inventers of things like chili and the interwebz.
Ha!
Also, one of my cats is called Chilli (yes, two "L"s, that's how we also bastardise it here). This conversation could get really confusing.0
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