Why Aspartame Isn't Scary
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@Aaron_K123 i'm sorry but chemistry is definitely not my thing. idk, i guess you just won't be able to convince me that aspartame isn't scary. i do do the pink packet in my coffee though. the safety of saccharin in moderation has been endorsed by Edgar Cayce so it is safer in my eyes and i haven't had any negative effects so far. too bad he's not around anymore to chime in on aspartame. i don't trust Splenda though. it seems to give me immediate memory problems.17
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GaleHawkins wrote: »Lawyers seem to find Aspartame good for business.
nypost.com/2017/10/18/these-diet-sodas-are-actually-making-people-fat-suit/
"The companies’ diet drinks contain aspertame, a sugar substitute, which some recent studies have shown can cause cardiovascular disease and diabetes, as well as lead to weight gain, the suits claim."
"“Our case is focused on aspertame, but all artificial sweetners” behave the same in your body, said Derek Smith, whose eponymous law firm is lead counsel in all three soda cases."
A lawyer who can't even spell the thing he's suing against...7 -
alicebhsia wrote: »@Aaron_K123 i'm sorry but chemistry is definitely not my thing. idk, i guess you just won't be able to convince me that aspartame isn't scary. i do do the pink packet in my coffee though. the safety of saccharin in moderation has been endorsed by Edgar Cayce so it is safer in my eyes and i haven't had any negative effects so far. too bad he's not around anymore to chime in on aspartame. i don't trust Splenda though. it seems to give me immediate memory problems.
So since you don't understand chemistry, the chemistry proving it is safe must be false and the quack spouting false claims about how it isn't safe, that you can grasp, must be the one telling the truth???12 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »alicebhsia wrote: »well personally i am sensitive to phenylalanine. lucky i am a vegetarian. my mom has been guzzling diet coke and diet iced tea lately. just yesterday she was showing signs of senility. it would be terrible if aspartame was the cause and my mom becomes demented. of course it could just be a coincidence, but we should be careful what we put i our bodies. a trace of poison can kill you. better safe than sorry and all of that.
You do realize that plants contain proteins right? Again having higher concentrations and amounts of phenylalanine than that contained in diet sodas. You cannot survive without ingesting protein. Phenylalanine is an essential amino acid, you cannot survive without it in your diet. The RDA for phenylalanine in ones diet is 33 mg/kg per day (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenylalanine see dietary recommendations section).
There is about 70 mg of phenylalanine in a can of diet soda. If you hit your RDA for phenylalanine and you weigh something like 65 kg it would be the equivalent of drinking 30 cans of diet soda.
Diet soda is not a significant source of phenylalanine. The amount contained in a can of soda is probably the equivalent of that contained in a couple of beans. It is hard to conceive of any substantive meal that would not contain considerably more phenyalanine than that found in a can of diet coke. Keep in mind that aspartame is a dipeptide, it is basically protein, and there is less that one calorie of it in a can of diet soda.
100 grams of kidney beans = 3 cans of soda
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2324/24 -
alicebhsia wrote: »https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/03/24/aspartame-affects-brain-health.aspx random study just looked up - i am assuming mercola is a credible source. (not pushing stevia on anyone as i think it tastes even worse than aspartame) this page disagrees with you @Aaron_K123 "The amino acids in aspartame literally attack your cells, even crossing the blood-brain barrier to attack your brain cells, creating a toxic cellular overstimulation, called excitotoxicity"
You do understand that someones blog page is not a scientific study right? No, I would not consider Mercola to be a credible source at all.
No, aspartame does not cross the blood brain barrier because it never reaches the blood brain barrier.
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15287397609529445
This has been known for over 40 years. Studies involving C14 labeling of the carbons in the aspartame molecule have conclusively tracked where each metabolic product ends up to quantitative detail.
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=yTH1iI9ybl4C&oi=fnd&pg=PA141&dq=metabolism+of+aspartame&ots=SkJvCAv2aC&sig=U-isbqF1J4awb8iqB1nlPzECfb8#v=onepage&q=metabolism of aspartame&f=false
I'm sorry, but the idea that aspartame gets into your brain and causes cancer or autism or dementia or whatever the fad claim is on this particular day is just utter b.s.13 -
alicebhsia wrote: »@Aaron_K123 i'm sorry but chemistry is definitely not my thing. idk, i guess you just won't be able to convince me that aspartame isn't scary. i do do the pink packet in my coffee though. the safety of saccharin in moderation has been endorsed by Edgar Cayce so it is safer in my eyes and i haven't had any negative effects so far. too bad he's not around anymore to chime in on aspartame. i don't trust Splenda though. it seems to give me immediate memory problems.
If chemistry isn't your thing then why did you make a claim about chemistry of aspartame by claiming that the chiral center of phenylalanine being different between proteins and aspartame? Do you feel comfortable positing statements for which you don't know what you are actually saying?16 -
alicebhsia wrote: »@Aaron_K123 i'm sorry but chemistry is definitely not my thing. idk, i guess you just won't be able to convince me that aspartame isn't scary. i do do the pink packet in my coffee though. the safety of saccharin in moderation has been endorsed by Edgar Cayce so it is safer in my eyes and i haven't had any negative effects so far. too bad he's not around anymore to chime in on aspartame. i don't trust Splenda though. it seems to give me immediate memory problems.
So...why try and understand it when you can just keep being afraid of it because it's easier?6 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »alicebhsia wrote: »@Aaron_K123 i'm sorry but chemistry is definitely not my thing. idk, i guess you just won't be able to convince me that aspartame isn't scary. i do do the pink packet in my coffee though. the safety of saccharin in moderation has been endorsed by Edgar Cayce so it is safer in my eyes and i haven't had any negative effects so far. too bad he's not around anymore to chime in on aspartame. i don't trust Splenda though. it seems to give me immediate memory problems.
If chemistry isn't your thing then why did you make a claim about chemistry of aspartame by claiming that the chiral center of phenylalanine being different between proteins and aspartame? Do you feel comfortable positing statements for which you don't know what you are actually saying?
The tone I read this in...I'm dying...6 -
Who is Edgar Cayce and why does he have more of an effect on a person's fear of an additive than all of current science?6
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stevencloser wrote: »Who is Edgar Cayce and why does he have more of an effect on a person's fear of an additive than all of current science?
It's better than I could have hoped.
https://www.edgarcayce.org/9 -
I'm enjoying this turn. Someone with absolutely no understanding of chemistry and human biology arguing with the biochemist that he's wrong about chemistry and human biology.10
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alicebhsia wrote: »@Aaron_K123 i'm sorry but chemistry is definitely not my thing. idk, i guess you just won't be able to convince me that aspartame isn't scary. i do do the pink packet in my coffee though. the safety of saccharin in moderation has been endorsed by Edgar Cayce so it is safer in my eyes and i haven't had any negative effects so far. too bad he's not around anymore to chime in on aspartame. i don't trust Splenda though. it seems to give me immediate memory problems.
I am sorry to harp but this sort of thing is just very frustrating. When someone brings up chemistry as a reason for stating that aspartame might be of concern but then when I take a long time to respond with specifics about the chemistry that they themselves brought up I am not expecting the response back to be that they don't know anything about chemistry so chemistry isn't very convincing for them.
Then really why did you bring it up in the first place if its not something you know about or would be convinced by?
Is there a domain of this that you do fully understand that we could talk about?15 -
stevencloser wrote: »Who is Edgar Cayce and why does he have more of an effect on a person's fear of an additive than all of current science?
It's better than I could have hoped.
https://www.edgarcayce.org/
Wait, he died in in the 40s. This is gold.5 -
alicebhsia wrote: »https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/03/24/aspartame-affects-brain-health.aspx random study just looked up - i am assuming mercola is a credible source. (not pushing stevia on anyone as i think it tastes even worse than aspartame) this page disagrees with you @Aaron_K123 "The amino acids in aspartame literally attack your cells, even crossing the blood-brain barrier to attack your brain cells, creating a toxic cellular overstimulation, called excitotoxicity"
Yeah, and therein lies the problem8 -
VintageFeline wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Who is Edgar Cayce and why does he have more of an effect on a person's fear of an additive than all of current science?
It's better than I could have hoped.
https://www.edgarcayce.org/
Wait, he died in in the 40S. This is gold.
Wonder if his psychic powers allowed him to endorse the internet?4 -
VintageFeline wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Who is Edgar Cayce and why does he have more of an effect on a person's fear of an additive than all of current science?
It's better than I could have hoped.
https://www.edgarcayce.org/
Wait, he died in in the 40S. This is gold.
She has to have been joking. Please tell me she was joking.5 -
alicebhsia wrote: »@Aaron_K123 i'm sorry but chemistry is definitely not my thing. idk, i guess you just won't be able to convince me that aspartame isn't scary. i do do the pink packet in my coffee though. the safety of saccharin in moderation has been endorsed by Edgar Cayce so it is safer in my eyes and i haven't had any negative effects so far. too bad he's not around anymore to chime in on aspartame. i don't trust Splenda though. it seems to give me immediate memory problems.
I had to Google this one...
Edgar Cayce was an American Christian mystic who answered questions on subjects as varied as healing, reincarnation, wars, Atlantis, and future events while claiming to be in a trance.
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »alicebhsia wrote: »@Aaron_K123 i'm sorry but chemistry is definitely not my thing. idk, i guess you just won't be able to convince me that aspartame isn't scary. i do do the pink packet in my coffee though. the safety of saccharin in moderation has been endorsed by Edgar Cayce so it is safer in my eyes and i haven't had any negative effects so far. too bad he's not around anymore to chime in on aspartame. i don't trust Splenda though. it seems to give me immediate memory problems.
I am sorry to harp but this sort of thing is just very frustrating. When someone brings up chemistry as a reason for stating that aspartame might be of concern but then when I take a long time to respond with specifics about the chemistry that they themselves brought up I am not expecting the response back to be that they don't know anything about chemistry so chemistry isn't very convincing for them.
Then really why did you bring it up in the first place if its not something you know about or would be convinced by?
Is there a domain of this that you do fully understand that we could talk about?
why should i respond when what you posted seems to have no relevance whatsoever. i mean, basically, you are saying to me, because the chemical components are being described to you, aspartame is perfectly safe. it is metabolized by the body and doesn't even reach your brain so how can it affect your brain? that is hard to believe when there's purported studies that disagree.. they say it's found in the brain. you disagree, they disagree. they have studies to back them up. the aspartame people have studies that say it's been found "safe." but then fail to discredit the safety concerns of the other negative studies and focus on other things it supposedly doesn't affect. so it's probably "safe" against everything but that and that's what they don't say.18 -
But somehow he missed aspartame. Shame.Calliope610 wrote: »alicebhsia wrote: »@Aaron_K123 i'm sorry but chemistry is definitely not my thing. idk, i guess you just won't be able to convince me that aspartame isn't scary. i do do the pink packet in my coffee though. the safety of saccharin in moderation has been endorsed by Edgar Cayce so it is safer in my eyes and i haven't had any negative effects so far. too bad he's not around anymore to chime in on aspartame. i don't trust Splenda though. it seems to give me immediate memory problems.
I had to Google this one...
Edgar Cayce was an American Christian mystic who answered questions on subjects as varied as healing, reincarnation, wars, Atlantis, and future events while claiming to be in a trance.
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alicebhsia wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »alicebhsia wrote: »@Aaron_K123 i'm sorry but chemistry is definitely not my thing. idk, i guess you just won't be able to convince me that aspartame isn't scary. i do do the pink packet in my coffee though. the safety of saccharin in moderation has been endorsed by Edgar Cayce so it is safer in my eyes and i haven't had any negative effects so far. too bad he's not around anymore to chime in on aspartame. i don't trust Splenda though. it seems to give me immediate memory problems.
I am sorry to harp but this sort of thing is just very frustrating. When someone brings up chemistry as a reason for stating that aspartame might be of concern but then when I take a long time to respond with specifics about the chemistry that they themselves brought up I am not expecting the response back to be that they don't know anything about chemistry so chemistry isn't very convincing for them.
Then really why did you bring it up in the first place if its not something you know about or would be convinced by?
Is there a domain of this that you do fully understand that we could talk about?
why should i respond when what you posted seems to have no relevance whatsoever. i mean, basically, you are saying to me, because the chemical components are being described to you, aspartame is perfectly safe. it is metabolized by the body and doesn't even reach your brain so how can it affect your brain? that is hard to believe when there's purported studies that disagree.. they say it's found in the brain. you disagree, they disagree. they have studies to back them up. the aspartame people have studies that say it's been found "safe." but then fail to discredit the safety concerns of the other negative studies and focus on other things it supposedly doesn't affect. so it's probably "safe" against everything but that and that's what they don't say.
Who are "they" that you talk about?6
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