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run2brazil wrote: »Wow people. I'm not talking my aunt into anything at all. She struggles with this, and she wants advice as to how she can cut down and stop drinking it. So, I asked for tips for her. You guys have really gotten carried away here.
And in what dictionary does "support" mean "healthy debate?"
Nothing in your original post suggests that it was your Aunt that was very concerned about the health affects of diet soda so I'm sure you can understand the misunderstanding there if it is in fact her who is concerned.
I would suggest if it is her that is concerned and not you that she come on the site herself if she wishes to solicit advice on suggestions for what she herself wants to do. It is easier to give advice and support to someone if they are around to receive it.8 -
I kicked diet soda once upon a time by switching to sparkling water, since it was almost impossible to kick carbonation entirely.3
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unsuspectingfish wrote: »I kicked diet soda once upon a time by switching to sparkling water, since it was almost impossible to kick carbonation entirely.
Excellent job trading flavored sparkling water for unflavored sparkling water.6 -
run2brazil wrote: »Wow people. I'm not talking my aunt into anything at all. She struggles with this, and she wants advice as to how she can cut down and stop drinking it. So, I asked for tips for her. You guys have really gotten carried away here.
And in what dictionary does "support" mean "healthy debate?"
But this is the Nutrition forum, so you received good advice from a nutritional perspective. The underlying message is that diet soda is not harmful to your health, and you were given links to science supporting that. You also received some substitution drink ideas and some ideas for weaning off caffeine. If this is not what you are looking for, maybe try the Motivation and Support forum?6 -
rileysowner wrote: »run2brazil wrote: »Wow people. I'm not talking my aunt into anything at all. She struggles with this, and she wants advice as to how she can cut down and stop drinking it. So, I asked for tips for her. You guys have really gotten carried away here.
And in what dictionary does "support" mean "healthy debate?"
So why does your aunt want to cut down her diet soda consumption? If it is because the various reasons that have been refuted here such as aspartame causes cancer so it will worsen her's or increase risk of recurrence, or is toxic, or is in itself unhealthy, then she can rest assured it does none of that. She does not need to cut it out and it is pretty much neutral in terms of health. If she wants to cut back because it is standing in the way of consuming something that does have an effect on health, well that is another story.
Once again, you can not guarantee that diet soda "does none of that." Nothing is guaranteed. Yes this link I'm posting is not "scientific enough", but I'm proving that the jury is still out on the safety of diet/regular soda (or any food/drink that has caramel color) based on the ingredients in it. Obviously there is still debate going on, so guaranteeing it's not harmful is ignorant.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/01/caramel-color-the-health-risk-that-may-be-in-your-soda/index.htm12 -
rileysowner wrote: »run2brazil wrote: »Wow people. I'm not talking my aunt into anything at all. She struggles with this, and she wants advice as to how she can cut down and stop drinking it. So, I asked for tips for her. You guys have really gotten carried away here.
And in what dictionary does "support" mean "healthy debate?"
So why does your aunt want to cut down her diet soda consumption? If it is because the various reasons that have been refuted here such as aspartame causes cancer so it will worsen her's or increase risk of recurrence, or is toxic, or is in itself unhealthy, then she can rest assured it does none of that. She does not need to cut it out and it is pretty much neutral in terms of health. If she wants to cut back because it is standing in the way of consuming something that does have an effect on health, well that is another story.
Once again, you can no guarantee that diet soda "does none of that." Nothing is guaranteed. Yes this link I'm posting is not "scientific enough", but I'm proving that the jury is still out on the safety of diet/regular soda (or any food/drink that has caramel color) based on the ingredients in it. Obviously there is still debate going on, so guaranteeing it's not harmful is ignorant.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/01/caramel-color-the-health-risk-that-may-be-in-your-soda/index.htm
Good think Diet Mt Dew doesn't have any of that nastiness.4 -
I've switched to Zevia and I do believe its better for me than Diet Coke. I was drinking like a double gulp in the AM and mainlining cans all day long, so I think that was excessive.2
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rileysowner wrote: »run2brazil wrote: »Wow people. I'm not talking my aunt into anything at all. She struggles with this, and she wants advice as to how she can cut down and stop drinking it. So, I asked for tips for her. You guys have really gotten carried away here.
And in what dictionary does "support" mean "healthy debate?"
So why does your aunt want to cut down her diet soda consumption? If it is because the various reasons that have been refuted here such as aspartame causes cancer so it will worsen her's or increase risk of recurrence, or is toxic, or is in itself unhealthy, then she can rest assured it does none of that. She does not need to cut it out and it is pretty much neutral in terms of health. If she wants to cut back because it is standing in the way of consuming something that does have an effect on health, well that is another story.
Once again, you can not guarantee that diet soda "does none of that." Nothing is guaranteed. Yes this link I'm posting is not "scientific enough", but I'm proving that the jury is still out on the safety of diet/regular soda (or any food/drink that has caramel color) based on the ingredients in it. Obviously there is still debate going on, so guaranteeing it's not harmful is ignorant.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/01/caramel-color-the-health-risk-that-may-be-in-your-soda/index.htm
Got a link to the study used to set the recommendations mentioned in this article? I can't see any citation myself but may just be missing it.
But also. That's about a food colouring, not aspartame, which is the issue at hand.3 -
I'm a food adventurist but I must say, Zevia is ick. Give me aspartame any day.1
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VintageFeline wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »run2brazil wrote: »Wow people. I'm not talking my aunt into anything at all. She struggles with this, and she wants advice as to how she can cut down and stop drinking it. So, I asked for tips for her. You guys have really gotten carried away here.
And in what dictionary does "support" mean "healthy debate?"
So why does your aunt want to cut down her diet soda consumption? If it is because the various reasons that have been refuted here such as aspartame causes cancer so it will worsen her's or increase risk of recurrence, or is toxic, or is in itself unhealthy, then she can rest assured it does none of that. She does not need to cut it out and it is pretty much neutral in terms of health. If she wants to cut back because it is standing in the way of consuming something that does have an effect on health, well that is another story.
Once again, you can not guarantee that diet soda "does none of that." Nothing is guaranteed. Yes this link I'm posting is not "scientific enough", but I'm proving that the jury is still out on the safety of diet/regular soda (or any food/drink that has caramel color) based on the ingredients in it. Obviously there is still debate going on, so guaranteeing it's not harmful is ignorant.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/01/caramel-color-the-health-risk-that-may-be-in-your-soda/index.htm
Got a link to the study used to set the recommendations mentioned in this article? I can't see any citation myself but may just be missing it.
But also. That's about a food colouring, not aspartame, which is the issue at hand.
I didn't write the article, so no, I don't have citations. Maybe I could email the author.
And I believe this threads title is "Diet soda", not "aspartame." I've given my opinion on aspartame...The point of this post was to show that it can't be proven that it is "perfectly safe" and "not harmful." Again, I'm not saying it is harmful...it's just unknown.9 -
And I love caramel, too.0
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VintageFeline wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »run2brazil wrote: »Wow people. I'm not talking my aunt into anything at all. She struggles with this, and she wants advice as to how she can cut down and stop drinking it. So, I asked for tips for her. You guys have really gotten carried away here.
And in what dictionary does "support" mean "healthy debate?"
So why does your aunt want to cut down her diet soda consumption? If it is because the various reasons that have been refuted here such as aspartame causes cancer so it will worsen her's or increase risk of recurrence, or is toxic, or is in itself unhealthy, then she can rest assured it does none of that. She does not need to cut it out and it is pretty much neutral in terms of health. If she wants to cut back because it is standing in the way of consuming something that does have an effect on health, well that is another story.
Once again, you can not guarantee that diet soda "does none of that." Nothing is guaranteed. Yes this link I'm posting is not "scientific enough", but I'm proving that the jury is still out on the safety of diet/regular soda (or any food/drink that has caramel color) based on the ingredients in it. Obviously there is still debate going on, so guaranteeing it's not harmful is ignorant.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/01/caramel-color-the-health-risk-that-may-be-in-your-soda/index.htm
Got a link to the study used to set the recommendations mentioned in this article? I can't see any citation myself but may just be missing it.
But also. That's about a food colouring, not aspartame, which is the issue at hand.
I didn't write the article, so no, I don't have citations. Maybe I could email the author.
And I believe this threads title is "Diet soda", not "aspartame." I've given my opinion on aspartame...The point of this post was to show that it can't be proven that it is "perfectly safe" and "not harmful." Again, I'm not saying it is harmful...it's just unknown.
Given that the colouring is in a plethora of products not just diet soda and not even in every diet soda I think we can probably assume the concern wasn't about food colouring.
I am asking if you have a link to the study because you are claiming it could be harmful with nothing but an article as a source for this. Onus is on you to provide something more than a consumer report about labeling as a reason why we should be avoiding a couple of flavours of soda, diet or not.8 -
rileysowner wrote: »run2brazil wrote: »Wow people. I'm not talking my aunt into anything at all. She struggles with this, and she wants advice as to how she can cut down and stop drinking it. So, I asked for tips for her. You guys have really gotten carried away here.
And in what dictionary does "support" mean "healthy debate?"
So why does your aunt want to cut down her diet soda consumption? If it is because the various reasons that have been refuted here such as aspartame causes cancer so it will worsen her's or increase risk of recurrence, or is toxic, or is in itself unhealthy, then she can rest assured it does none of that. She does not need to cut it out and it is pretty much neutral in terms of health. If she wants to cut back because it is standing in the way of consuming something that does have an effect on health, well that is another story.
Once again, you can not guarantee that diet soda "does none of that." Nothing is guaranteed. Yes this link I'm posting is not "scientific enough", but I'm proving that the jury is still out on the safety of diet/regular soda (or any food/drink that has caramel color) based on the ingredients in it. Obviously there is still debate going on, so guaranteeing it's not harmful is ignorant.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/01/caramel-color-the-health-risk-that-may-be-in-your-soda/index.htm
That isnt how science works. They will never state with 100%. They will clearly state based on all the existing evidence there is no indication of harm. Hell, you probably have a higher risk of getting in a car accident.7 -
The jury is still out whether it is safe to leave the house in the morning. In truth, I take my life in my hands every time I get behind the wheel of my car. Statistically speaking.8
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VintageFeline wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »run2brazil wrote: »Wow people. I'm not talking my aunt into anything at all. She struggles with this, and she wants advice as to how she can cut down and stop drinking it. So, I asked for tips for her. You guys have really gotten carried away here.
And in what dictionary does "support" mean "healthy debate?"
So why does your aunt want to cut down her diet soda consumption? If it is because the various reasons that have been refuted here such as aspartame causes cancer so it will worsen her's or increase risk of recurrence, or is toxic, or is in itself unhealthy, then she can rest assured it does none of that. She does not need to cut it out and it is pretty much neutral in terms of health. If she wants to cut back because it is standing in the way of consuming something that does have an effect on health, well that is another story.
Once again, you can not guarantee that diet soda "does none of that." Nothing is guaranteed. Yes this link I'm posting is not "scientific enough", but I'm proving that the jury is still out on the safety of diet/regular soda (or any food/drink that has caramel color) based on the ingredients in it. Obviously there is still debate going on, so guaranteeing it's not harmful is ignorant.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/01/caramel-color-the-health-risk-that-may-be-in-your-soda/index.htm
Got a link to the study used to set the recommendations mentioned in this article? I can't see any citation myself but may just be missing it.
But also. That's about a food colouring, not aspartame, which is the issue at hand.
I didn't write the article, so no, I don't have citations. Maybe I could email the author.
And I believe this threads title is "Diet soda", not "aspartame." I've given my opinion on aspartame...The point of this post was to show that it can't be proven that it is "perfectly safe" and "not harmful." Again, I'm not saying it is harmful...it's just unknown.
Nothing that you eat, drink, inhale, ingest, inject, absorb/adsorb or otherwise take into your body has been conclusively proven to be "perfectly safe" and "not harmful". There is only the preponderance of existing scientific evidence to rely upon.
Post up a scientific study which conclusively proves and proclaims that drinking 100% pure, untreated spring water is "perfectly safe" and "not harmful". Or broccoli. Or any other supposed "clean" food/drink.4 -
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Once again, you can not guarantee that diet soda "does none of that." Nothing is guaranteed. Yes this link I'm posting is not "scientific enough", but I'm proving that the jury is still out on the safety of diet/regular soda (or any food/drink that has caramel color) based on the ingredients in it. Obviously there is still debate going on, so guaranteeing it's not harmful is ignorant.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/01/caramel-color-the-health-risk-that-may-be-in-your-soda/index.htm
If all it takes is "for the jury to be out" on something is for people on the internet to post things that aren't true or are just their personal opinions not backed by anything then yes I guess the jury is still out on that.
Is that a way to live your life though? Just believing whatever you read on the internet? Does that mean if I find an article on the internet claiming that brocolli is dangerous you will no longer eat brocolli because "the jury is still out" on it?
Because here you go http://www.medicaldaily.com/dark-side-broccoli-and-kale-could-cruciferous-vegetables-be-bad-you-267892
If you search "X is bad for you" on google no matter what X is, you are going to find something. That is not a good way of determining what is actually healthy or not.11 -
VintageFeline wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »run2brazil wrote: »Wow people. I'm not talking my aunt into anything at all. She struggles with this, and she wants advice as to how she can cut down and stop drinking it. So, I asked for tips for her. You guys have really gotten carried away here.
And in what dictionary does "support" mean "healthy debate?"
So why does your aunt want to cut down her diet soda consumption? If it is because the various reasons that have been refuted here such as aspartame causes cancer so it will worsen her's or increase risk of recurrence, or is toxic, or is in itself unhealthy, then she can rest assured it does none of that. She does not need to cut it out and it is pretty much neutral in terms of health. If she wants to cut back because it is standing in the way of consuming something that does have an effect on health, well that is another story.
Once again, you can not guarantee that diet soda "does none of that." Nothing is guaranteed. Yes this link I'm posting is not "scientific enough", but I'm proving that the jury is still out on the safety of diet/regular soda (or any food/drink that has caramel color) based on the ingredients in it. Obviously there is still debate going on, so guaranteeing it's not harmful is ignorant.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/01/caramel-color-the-health-risk-that-may-be-in-your-soda/index.htm
Got a link to the study used to set the recommendations mentioned in this article? I can't see any citation myself but may just be missing it.
But also. That's about a food colouring, not aspartame, which is the issue at hand.
I didn't write the article, so no, I don't have citations. Maybe I could email the author.
And I believe this threads title is "Diet soda", not "aspartame." I've given my opinion on aspartame...The point of this post was to show that it can't be proven that it is "perfectly safe" and "not harmful." Again, I'm not saying it is harmful...it's just unknown.
So what do you actually eat since nothing has been proven 100% safe?9
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