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Dr Jason Fung - The Useless Concept of Calories
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I like this sentence - "...obesity experts have severe ‘physics envy’..."
So if he doesn't have "physics envy" it means he's not an obesity expert, right? I mean, he said it himself...17 -
I like this sentence - "...obesity experts have severe ‘physics envy’..."
So if he doesn't have "physics envy" it means he's not an obesity expert, right? I mean, he said it himself...
What he should have is chemistry envy. If he'd ever done any kind of lab work with a bomb calorimeter, he'd know perfectly well that different substances have different energy content. If he honestly thinks a pound of white sugar and a pound of lettuce provide the same amount of energy, he needs to stay away from keyboards.11 -
I don't think that everything he says is wrong. I think he exaggerates some concepts to promote his book.24
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Get the Fung out of here.
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Dr Jason Fung - The useless
It was accurate up to that point.7 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »I'm a little confused by the order of the words, but not at all surprised to see Fung and useless in the same sentence.
"Something something Fung Useless something something".
Actually it was ...Fung - The Useless... :laugh:
Emperor Ming The Merciless' less well known and more idiotic twin brother.22 -
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That was a waste of 4 minutes.....
You actually bothered to click the link?
I'm not interested in anything Fung has to say. He's a woo-spouting crackpot and is a laughingstock amongst evidence-based nutrition/physiology experts.
It was humorous when he popped into the ISSN (International Society of Sports Nutrition) Facebook group. He was absolutely crucified in there.
That ISSN thread was the best thread ever on Facebook.3 -
But Dr Peter Attia who developed metabolic syndrome even while he was an athlete seems to be saying something similar..
http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/do-calories-matter
Was a bit surprised by the amount of hostility to Fung... Maybe Attia will be in for worse :-)
I don't know myself - trying to keep an open mind I guess - so please don't flame me - I'm very sensitive and it might make me eat 300kcal (of chocolate or salmon) and then I'll have to run for 25.5 minutes to burn them off (I guess). :-)32 -
Sterling example of correct evidence leading to incorrect conclusions.5
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »That was a waste of 4 minutes.....
You actually bothered to click the link?
I'm not interested in anything Fung has to say. He's a woo-spouting crackpot and is a laughingstock amongst evidence-based nutrition/physiology experts.
It was humorous when he popped into the ISSN (International Society of Sports Nutrition) Facebook group. He was absolutely crucified in there.
That ISSN thread was the best thread ever on Facebook.
Please tell me someone has a link to that thread.2 -
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I always laugh how articles like that never mention that protein also spikes an insulin response.9 -
RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »
I always laugh how articles like that never mention that protein also spikes an insulin response.
That's coz it doesn't fit the picture they're trying to paint. Never let the truth get in the way of good clickbait.8 -
That was a waste of 4 minutes.....
You actually bothered to click the link?
I'm not interested in anything Fung has to say. He's a woo-spouting crackpot and is a laughingstock amongst evidence-based nutrition/physiology experts.
It was humorous when he popped into the ISSN (International Society of Sports Nutrition) Facebook group. He was absolutely crucified in there.
Are there Screenshots of that?0 -
Either way, Fung is a nephrologist who has woven just enough actual science into all his pseudo/junk science to almost sound convincing, but he's been torn apart by plenty of experts with actual knowledge about physiology and nutrition. He's another Dr. Oz - a physician who's sold his soul to the almighty dollar, peddling snake oil and shoveling in money by the bucketloads from gullible, desperate people.
It's rather telling that when you Google his name, some of the first links to his "work" are to dietdoctor.com, Jimmy Moore's keto site and Mercola's site. You can almost fill up your woo bingo card from that first page of search results.
Isn't dietdoctor His own Site? It talks about him enough to be at least.1 -
But Dr Peter Attia who developed metabolic syndrome even while he was an athlete seems to be saying something similar..
http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/do-calories-matter
Was a bit surprised by the amount of hostility to Fung... Maybe Attia will be in for worse :-)
I don't know myself - trying to keep an open mind I guess - so please don't flame me - I'm very sensitive and it might make me eat 300kcal (of chocolate or salmon) and then I'll have to run for 25.5 minutes to burn them off (I guess). :-)
Dr. Attia has severe IR issues. He does not regulate insulin well. And IIRC, he isn't even keto anymore, but rather low carb.
If you want to know actual science, I would recommend staying away from bloggers and MD's who want to play PhD. If you like low carb and keto diets, then look at the works of Phinney and Vokey; Dom Agostino has some good stuff on keto and cancers (Good discussions here on that topic).
Below is information on Energy Balance from Dr. Kevin Hall, a lead research at the NIH.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/95/4/989
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10436946/are-all-calories-equal-part-2-kevins-halls-new-study#latest
Dr. Layne Norton has some good videos; his PhD is in nutritional sciences - has a bunch videos on the keto diet and with prominent keto followers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eq8VObUFsk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7Ldxu5wcoE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km4wd-YK0L8
Alan Aragon participated in a review of the literature of ketogenic and fitness:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10611377/anyone-read-the-latest-research-on-keto-by-alan-aragon/p1
Overall, Dr. Fung is another zealot who can't provide science to back up his theories.
Keto is a great diet for many, but this whole conspiracy theory around carbs is just as bad of the one against fat 20 years ago. Carbs are very healthy for you. It's over consumption of calories that is bad for you.28 -
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I don't really know this guy and I have to confess I couldn't get all the way through the article, but whatever point he was trying to make never got my attention because I couldn't get past the absolutely horrible grammar and sentence structure. I've never thought of myself as the grammar police, but surely this couldn't have been written by someone with so much advanced education.
Maybe this is the homeschooling mom in me but if my 8th grader had written this I would have given it a solid D simply because the author was too damn lazy to proof his own work. In fact, I'd require my kid to redo it before I'd even look at it for content.
Deduct several IQ points just for that. I assume his book editors do a better job.15 -
Soooo.... basically I lost nearly 50lbs ON A LIE!!!! WHAT THE FUNG!!!18
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If calories are a lie, what would Fung (or other doctors who accept his theories) recommend for a patient who needed to gain weight or maintain their weight?9
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janejellyroll wrote: »If calories are a lie, what would Fung (or other doctors who accept his theories) recommend for a patient who needed to gain weight or maintain their weight?
Stop eating. Starvation mode would kick in and they'd get fat.50 -
janejellyroll wrote: »If calories are a lie, what would Fung (or other doctors who accept his theories) recommend for a patient who needed to gain weight or maintain their weight?
I was wondering the same thing. A bag of Skittles a day? As long as it raises insulin right.. haha2 -
I stopped reading at "boom"
It's what brainless folk use when they think they've won an argument24 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »
I realized recently that this is yet another expression that will be largely meaningless to my as-yet-unborn children.10
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