January 2018 Running Challenge
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ceciliaslater wrote: »It's definitely scary living in a place where snow is an abnormality. I grew up in northern Missouri and learned how to drive on snow and ice from the start. These Okies are terrifying in winter driving conditions. They all seem to think their 4wd trucks can compensate for their raw stupidity...
A couple years ago, I drove the Pontiac (G8 GT) on a day that was supposed to be cold and clear. It ended up snowing and sleeting while I was at work and I got to drive home in it. I had very little trouble in my overpowered rwd (aside from stop lights, where it would go sideways at a dead stop if you forgot to put it in neutral ), but almost died a few times because of crazy impatient people in 4wds who thought they could go around me and lost control. Good times...
I was driving home (slowly) a few years ago during a whiteout in very deep snow when a guy in a Jeep zoomed by me. About 2 km later, I saw him on the side of the road, having clearly lost control. Then about 10 minutes later, he passed me again! It’s good that he was okay and able to get back on the road, but he obviously didn’t learn anything from the process.
Yeah, see that often. People think that 4WD will make them invincible on the roads. It helps, but it will do nothing for ice, not to mention stopping, and in all weather being stupid will kill you just as fast with 4WD... maybe faster.2 -
YTD Stats:
4,972’ gain
37 miles
Jan 13:
2mi 0gain
Walk & run at park
Looking forward to trail long run tomorrow.4 -
01/01/2018 - 3.0 miles
01/02/2018 - 4.0 miles
01/03/2018 - Rest Day
01/04/2018 - Unplanned Rest Day
01/05/2018 - 3.52 miles
01/06/2018 - Unplanned Rest Day
01/07/2018 - 2.52 miles
01/08/2018 - Rest Day Due to rain
01/09/2018 - 3.09 miles
01/10/2018 - Unplanned Rest Day
01/11/2018 - 4.0 miles on treadmill
01/12/2018 - 3.01 miles
01/13/2018 - 6.67 miles
Louisiana Quarter Marathon today. Saw a friend I have not seen in awhile and we ran at our slow pace and rearranged life along the way. Race is suppose to be 6.55 miles but my GPS says 6.67 so that is what I am recording. On my way to the race temperature was 29 F with a feel like of 23 F. It was sunny out and warmed up after the start of the race.
I broke the rule of nothing new on race day and wore a pair of fleeced lined tights I bought at the expo. They worked great during the race and I had no issues.
Loved the medal this year. If you ever have the opportunity to come run in the Louisiana Marathon it is a great weekend with lots of races and great food. Plus it is a race in my home state! The finish festival we had Jambalaya, crawfish etoufee and gumbo.
29.81/75 miles
Upcoming races (Question marks are races not yet registered for):
Louisiana Marathon Quarter Marathon - 01/13/2018
Mardi Gras Mambo 10K -02/17/2018
Q50 Races Sunset Gulf - 6.5 miles 3/24/2018
BIG EASY BIG HEART 5K 7/21/2018 - ?16 -
MNLittleFinn wrote: »@PastorVincent @AlphaHowls That road looks like my daily commute the last week or so. Do people really have a hard time navigating winter roads?
That picture of the roads looks like my daily commute all winter - without all the crashed vehicles and it looked like my run today.
I had a much bigger long winded post about winter driving and then realized that it had been well covered by everyone else already. Even though we are a Northern Climate we have more than our share of Dufus Winter Drivers, we had 3 crash's this week on the only bridge over the river - all caused by accelerating hard and hitting the famous Bridge/Overpass Black ice. Vehicle type, Tire condition, Road condition does not guarantee safe driving, the experience and attitude of the driver is the biggest factor. You can be experienced but be in a Dufus state of mind and be the biggest hazard.
4 Wheel drive just means you can get to the scene of the crash faster than those in a 2 Wheel drive.
Like many people in the north I have 2 complete sets of tires & rims for my RWD Truck, my winter tires have a softer rubber compound and more aggressive tread pattern for biting into snow/ice and self cleaning so they don't get packed full. Picture the difference between a running shoe and an Industrial Work Boot/Hiking Boot or between a trail shoe for dirt and a trail shoe for rock-mountains. Very different compound and tread pattern. I also have over 250 lbs of Sand/Salt in Pails as weight over my rear axle to give more pounds/Sq in on the tires = Traction. Which I can also use to spread on a road to improve traction.
If you ever go into a slide - Lift your foot off the accelerator, Look where you are going, Steer to where the vehicle is going. Never touch the Brake. Stabilize and drive in control before you try any secondary actions. You are safer inside your vehicle 20, 50, 100ft from the road than trying to force a recovery back onto the road. Also always stay inside your vehicle, if another out of control vehicle comes along would you want it to hit you standing on the side of the road or the metal cage of your vehicle? Towing is always cheaper than Autobody Repairs or personal injury.
As the Collision Analyst from the RCMP said many years ago you are safer off the road and in control of the vehicle than being out of control and crossing back and forth across the road. Every time you cross the road you have an increased chance of a collision with another vehicle or having a roll over. Those recovery motions that in-experienced drivers do usually result in the vehicle rolling over multiple times and the occupants being ejected - even with seat belts on you can be ejected, especially if it is just a lap belt.
Quite often I will do a Winter Road Condition Test - with no traffic on coming or close behind me.
I will stomp on the accelerator and if it starts to fishtail/spinout releasing the accelerator and a very small steering motion will return you to a straight line stable condition. NO BRAKING ALLOWED or REQUIRED.Because, *woo!* am I glad I'm not running anywhere near that!
@HRKinchen If you remove the vehicles that's exactly what my Running trails looked like today. Everything we do is based on our version of what " Normal " is. For me it was decent run except for a few Trail/Road crossings with Driver polished corners ( to much accelerator ), the rest was all good.
Waiting for today's run to be released and posted by MFP as I have the dreaded number 11Nine in my km log which gets pulled for evaluation by the MFP Spam Busters.
And this was my shortened post. I must be bored.8 -
Speaking of people who don't know how to drive in the snow...
Even living in a winter city we still have people who just don't have a clue... but think they do.13 -
@JessicaMcB @MNLittleFinn @7lenny7 and TrailHounds anywhere.
I will never get a FKT but it looks and sounds like a Trail you would all love.3 -
Came up a little short with 3.5 but I had to get to work2
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January 2018 runs:
01 Jan – 5 km parkrun 28:08
02 Jan – 21.2 km half marathon 2:12:33
04 Jan – 6.7 km
06 Jan – 5 km parkrun 29:09 so freaking warm!!
07 Jan – 18 km
10 Jan – 13.1 km
11 Jan – 11 km
13 Jan – 5 km parkrun 28:29 & made a new Strava friend
14 Jan – 16 km pretending to be a F1 racing driver
Jan goal: 170 km
Jan total: 101 km
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@sarahthes I love the police dept post!1
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PastorVincent wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »@PastorVincent @AlphaHowls That road looks like my daily commute the last week or so. Do people really have a hard time navigating winter roads?
I learned to drive in NJ, back when blizzards where not a rare thing, so the 5 inches we got here today in Pittsburgh was nothing to me. I mean, I knew to repsect it and alter my driving to match conditions, but was nothing to fear. Especially since I drive a Jeep.
That image is from TN, near Nashville I think. On the I40. Some of those people have lived their whole lives and never seen snow.
But that is NO EXCUSE FOR THE DOLTS THAT LIVE HERE IN STORMING PITTSBURGH. Sheesh. Seriously. I watched people with local plates spin out, and slide, and tail gate and etc. Keep your sports car at home, and call a Uber or something. For real.
4WD or AWD is insuffecent to overcome stupidity.
If you look at the vehicles in the picture, most of them are semi-trucks so the drivers are probably not from the Nashville area. I think the ice took them by surprise and those big trucks are hard to stop on dry pavement.0 -
juliet3455 wrote: »@JessicaMcB @MNLittleFinn @7lenny7 and TrailHounds anywhere.
I will never get a FKT but it looks and sounds like a Trail you would all love.
That looks awesome0 -
RunsOnEspresso wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »@zdyb23456 It's the same here if there's even a chance of snow or ice, buses won't run. Main road could be fine, but secondary roads could be too dangerous.
@skippygirlsmom My daughter has been driving for 6-7 years and has yet to drive in nasty weather. Thank goodness. She has a little Honda Civic. I'm sure it'd handle like newly born Bambi out there.
It gets treacherous here. I just dread freezing temps and any precipitation. When we lived in Delaware, I don't remember the roads being too bad as they has lots of snow. We we're lucky to get a blizzard one year. Still went out for a pizza run and found out that ice sets up in the tires and causes noisy wobbling.
Until we bought her RAV4, my wife drove a Civic, for her first 10 years of driving. They actually handle weather well. FWD cars actually handle just fine in pretty much all weather, as long as people aren't driving them like idiots... RWD is more of a problem.
I had a mustang in Wisconsin. That was fun! We weighed the trunk down, which helped a bit. It would still fishtail sometimes despite me being careful.
I once drove home on sheer ice. A normal 10-15 drive took me like an hour. I was barely rolling along and saw a few cars in ditches. Another time I hit a patch of black ice on a freeway overpass, spun out. Police told me there was nothing I could have done because you can't see it and overpasses are usually the worse because the wind goes under the bridge and freezes the rain/sleet where it isn't freezing anywhere else. That was another day with multiple accidents. My mom came across 3 before she got to mine. After those, I decided it was time to move.
Or get a new car! I grew up in WI and learned to drive there. I had a huge Chrysler Cordoba (in green) that had been my Dad's. I never had trouble in snow. I now drive a Mazda Miata and have for like the last 20 years (in NJ). It's a death trap in the snow. Not my driving, I just drive super slow and know how to drive in snow. But it's bad because all the folks in SUVs and light weight trucks get frustrated with me and pass me. At speed. And that is more dangerous than my slow plodding progress. I try now never to drive when it snows. Safer for me and the other drivers. Luckily that is usually just a handful of days in NJ.1 -
MNLittleFinn wrote: »@zdyb23456 It's the same here if there's even a chance of snow or ice, buses won't run. Main road could be fine, but secondary roads could be too dangerous.
@skippygirlsmom My daughter has been driving for 6-7 years and has yet to drive in nasty weather. Thank goodness. She has a little Honda Civic. I'm sure it'd handle like newly born Bambi out there.
It gets treacherous here. I just dread freezing temps and any precipitation. When we lived in Delaware, I don't remember the roads being too bad as they has lots of snow. We we're lucky to get a blizzard one year. Still went out for a pizza run and found out that ice sets up in the tires and causes noisy wobbling.
Until we bought her RAV4, my wife drove a Civic, for her first 10 years of driving. They actually handle weather well. FWD cars actually handle just fine in pretty much all weather, as long as people aren't driving them like idiots... RWD is more of a problem.
My Miata is rear wheel drive and super light. Both a major problems in snow.2 -
@bride001 - Great race and great medal! I hated to miss out on that one. Maybe next year.juliet3455 wrote: »Because, *woo!* am I glad I'm not running anywhere near that!
@HRKinchen If you remove the vehicles that's exactly what my Running trails looked like today. Everything we do is based on our version of what " Normal " is. For me it was decent run except for a few Trail/Road crossings with Driver polished corners ( to much accelerator ), the rest was all good.
The wrecks are what made me say "Woo am I glad...." As a Southerner, I have a love/hate relationship with cold. I love the beauty and novelty of it when it snows (and likewise like to visit places where it snows), but I hate freezing temps without the payoff of snow. Most of our winters, when they're even cold, are just cold and wet. And really, what's the point of that?!3 -
01.01.18 - 10 m. TM @ 8:30.
01.02.18 - 9 m. TM @ 9:15.
01.04.18 - 8 m. TM @ 9:22 / Bike Trainer for 60 minutes.
01.05.18 - 8.1 m. TM @ 9:10.
01.06.18 - 9 m. TM @ 8:40 / Bike Trainer for 60 minutes.
01.07.18 - 7.4 m. @ 8:31. 51.50 running miles for the week.
01.08.18 - 8 mm. @ 9:00 pace. / Bike Trainer for 45 minutes.
01.10.18 - 11 m. 8:31 pace.
01.11.18 - 5.2 m. 8:40 pace.
01.12.18 - 4 m. 9:00 pace.
01.13.18 - 12.8 m. 8:25 pace. / Bike Trainer for 60 minutes.
January Goal - 220 total running miles. Begin IM 70.3 Bike Training program.
Upcoming Events:
1.27 or 1.28 - Scheduling.
3.4.18 - Little Rock Marathon
4.7.18 - Yakima River Canyon Marathon7 -
skippygirlsmom wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »@PastorVincent @AlphaHowls That road looks like my daily commute the last week or so. Do people really have a hard time navigating winter roads?
@MNLittleFinn some people never drive on winter/snowy roads in their lifetime. Skip has been driving for over 2 years and has never had the need to drive on snow or ice because we haven't had any. Cars/trucks sold in this area don't automatically come with all wheel or four wheel drive, heck they don't come with a place to put a front license plate. We have little to no ability to remove snow, most places have no ability to salt or put sand down. I took Skip's SUV to work yesterday in case we did get snow because it has 4 wheel drive, but that's because I brought it in New Jersey. So to answer your question, yes people who don't drive in these conditions with any regularity have a hard time navigating such conditions. In my opinion they just need to stay home, but some don't have a choice.
Yep, I agree with @skippygirlsmom - most people in So California have never had to drive in snow and ice. Heck they rarely get to drive in rain or on wet roads... When we were first married and going to see my family in Idaho we needed to put chains on and my husband was clueless. I did it because I had lived where they were needed more frequently so you learned what to do in case you were out in the middle of no where and needed them.3
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