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which is the best diet for overall health and weight loss
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Perfect Example Special K - hey a HEALTHY cereal - almost no fat but hey please don;t look at the
33 grams of Sugar - CRAP for you - but touted as healthy and people buy it by the truck loads but hey ITS A GRAIN
I can't even remember the last time I heard someone talk about Special K in real life, as a healthy food or otherwise. Who is touting this food specifically?5 -
tramaine_21 wrote: »Too each is own when it comes to diets but intermittent fasting is a great kick start to a healthy lifestyle.
Intermittent fasting isn't a diet, it's an eating pattern. And there's nothing magical about it other than the fact that it helps some people adhere to their calorie goals more easily and provides higher satiety. For some people.3 -
40 protein
40 fats
20 carbs
You can thank the Sugar industry and corn manufactures for making fat a demon - but like I said if you want a high A!C number, High Cholesterol number and arteriosclerosis
keep on pounding down that 40% sugar diet
You do know there's other sources of carbs aside from the highly processed startches right?4 -
bratqueen1974 wrote: »Back to the OP (though the discussion sure has been interesting to read.) There is no one 'healthiest diet' that anyone can recommend for you, with the sole exception that your regular way of eating should nourish you, not harm you.
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Agreeing with this. We all, at heart, know which foods are nutritious. The best balance of those foods in our diets (macro balance) comes down to matters of personal preference and what will keep us most compliant with our calorie goals. In order to do that, the macro balance we're eating and the food choices we're making need to be satisfying from both a taste and "emotional" perspective. They also need to leave us feeling satiated.
People vary greatly as to which macro balance (notice I'm shying away from any named diet) ticks all these boxes for them.
I've learned this through years of reading dieting forums and through personal experience of trying various eating plans myself.
There is no one objective "best" eating plan out there. There's only what's best for you.
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Do you understand what people mean when they talk about "research papers" or "studies"?6 -
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janejellyroll wrote: »
Do you understand what people mean when they talk about "research papers" or "studies"?
That would be a no. Clearly thinking articles are the same thing as research papers is a part of the problem, in addition to thinking it's 1998, and not knowing that the fiber and sugar listed on the nutrition label are a part of the carbs, not in addition to the carbs. And moving the goalposts from total sugar to added sugar and back again as if they are interchangeable.9 -
really? you have been on this thread the whole time and never looked at the National Institutes of Health
the May Clinic - Journal of Applied Physiology?
i just find it ironic that the sources you tout are in the exact same vein as the sources you doubt.
(awaiting my extra credit for rhyming)12 -
sure I did - my point is that we already get enough sugar and don;t need the high carb load like the FDA say we do
really 40% of our diet?
Why don't you like vegetables?3 -
Because it's 'bro' advice, just like about 99% of what you post.
Most reputable sources in the fitness industry who are current on their research (Helms, Aragon, Schoenfeld, McDonald, etc.) would never advocate setting your macros by straight percentages. You'd set them by grams per bodyweight or grams per pound of lean body mass. Using percentages is like using a yardstick to measure the thickness of a piece of sheet metal. Telling a 280 pound person with 35% bodyfat to get 40% of their calories from protein and 40% from fat is useless and silly advice.
You're also indulging in the typical binary fantasy that there can only be two ways to go about things - either eat "clean" or "pound pasta all day long". As if there can be no reasonable, sensible middle ground in a diet. Not to even mention the misguided "omg teh sugarzzz is teh poizonzzz" rhetoric, straight out of the dialog from crackpots like Fung and Taubes.
And lastly, I don't see anybody here talking about a low-fat diet. That seems to be a strawman of your own creation to move the goalposts.
^I want to bump this since it happened pre-Special K label and is important. You can't recommend one macro split that works for everyone. 40% protein looks vastly different for someone eating 1200 calories than it does for someone eating 3000 calories. My protein is set to 20% and that's enough for me. Going higher is going to bump more important things out of my diet and cause more stress than I care to introduce into my life. A wide variety of macro splits work just fine for people and we don't get extra bro credit for ridiculous amounts of protein that we don't need.22 -
jessiferrrb wrote: »
i just find it ironic that the sources you tout are in the exact same vein as the sources you doubt.
(awaiting my extra credit for rhyming)
Would a slice of chocolate cake with plenty of evil sugar work as extra credit?
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Cherry picking is fun -
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago-sugar-industry-quietly-paid-scientists-to-point-blame-at-fat
http://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/1900694/effects-low-carbohydrate-low-fat-diets-randomized-trial?doi=10.7326/M14-0180
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5384055/
Just fyi, the npr article is outright lying about the content of the study it's talking about.7 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
Why don't you like vegetables?
All those obese unhealthy vegans. Way too many carbs in their diet.3 -
What you want, and what I want are obviously very, very different things.
Heh, my thoughts exactly.2 -
really? you have been on this thread the whole time and never looked at the National Institutes of Health
the May Clinic - Journal of Applied Physiology?
I made that post in response to your link to a CBS News article.3 -
This is the link I gave a while back. It doesn't support your numbers.5 -
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acorsaut89 wrote: »
You do know there's other sources of carbs aside from the highly processed startches right?
He's already trashed fruit and vegetables.3 -
really? you have been on this thread the whole time and never looked at the National Institutes of Health
the May Clinic - Journal of Applied Physiology?
What fresh hell have I just stumbled into?!
*Mayo
You talk about peer reviewed studies but haven't actually shared any directly.
And honestly come off as incoherent, incapable of well formed, thoughtful debate and thus obliterate any credibility you may have had. Shouting at a bunch of people who, for the most part, are well informed, well read, fit, healthy and not pounding down pasta and cake all day (but hey, not all of us can live the dream right?) isn't going to get you any further than making yourself look a bit, dare I say........silly?
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singingflutelady wrote: »
All those obese unhealthy vegans. Way too many carbs in their diet.
I'd like to respond to this with some wit, but I added some carrot sticks to my lunch and the resulting insulin surge has left me weak and enfeebled. If only someone had warned me about the dangers of vegetables . . .30 -
What is this link supposed to support?
Your claim that people should not consume more than 20% carbs?
It does not.
Again, NO ONE has argued for unlimited added sugar consumption.5 -
Wow, this thread got hairy.
Someone is arguing that the SAD is unhealthy to a bunch of people who don't eat the SAD. Awesome.
I eat around 45% - 50% carbs, have never been overweight, but lost 20 lbs when I hit the upper limit of the healthy weight range and have been maintaining for two years. What does this mean I'm gonna die from?
Yeah, that happens a lot around here. I eat a pretty carb heavy diet, but I also get at least 100 g of protein a day enough fat but not too much (medical reasons).
I've always eaten protein heavy, even when I was obese, because I like protein foods. I also like vegetables and starches. I was raised on a balanced diet, and that seems to be my happy place.5 -
UMMMMM no
eat what you want? fine mountain dew chocolate cake under 2000 Cals
sounds healthy to me
Why do you assume people want food like that?4 -
And again, that is for added sugar, and it's not for total carbohydrates...added sugar...7 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
Why do you assume people want food like that?
I dunno, Mountain Dew Chocolate Cake does sound pretty good. I'll bet I could fit a slice of that into my calories and macros for the day.
But context and dosage seem to be thrown the hell out the window in this whole discussion (along with common sense and facts and science and stuff).6
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