Ketogenic diet
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GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I always equated blood type diets with trying to eat according to your zodiac sign. Sounds dumb? You bet.
Excuse me while I burn some sage to align my chakras so I can drink my detox tea in correlation with lunar patterns. I had a bit too many carbs this past weekend and need to get back into ketosis asap otherwise my fat burning power will be lost forever.
/sarcasm
I take it you have not studied the history behind the early zodiac source and how it is associated with the same source that introduced grains into man's diet. It was just something Google turned up when I started to studying how man came to add grains to his paleo WOE.
As a side note I expect error has been added to ancient wisdom by mistakes in translating and some by intent making it all questionable. Just because the ketogenic diet may be 10,000 years old does not mean it is the right WOE for everyone today however it is one of many WOE's that seem to work well for humans today.
ancient-wisdom.com/zodiac.htm
Everytime you post something, you get a ton of woo, it's too hilarious. Not sure if you're trolling for the 'woo'
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ACueMhFVGHU
@fb47 I see you are relative new to MFP forums so welcome. You have noticed there are many with many different agendas posting here. Above is an example of the kinds of things that fuel my drive to walk death backwards as long as possible that I just watched tonight. It helps push the nonsense in life to the side and out of sight.
20, 30 or 40 years ago I too was able to make fun of others thinking I knew they were wrong and I was right. Life has a way of teaching us over time just how little we know about ourselves and others.
Now at 67 I relatively know less than at any point in my life. Sure after 12 years of butt in chair classroom post high school training I know/knew many facts. The funny thing is I have learned the facts often change like at what level of Vitamin D does it become toxic to humans.
Over time while I have learned a lot of info I have become aware how much more there is to learn. Even if I continue to learn until I am 110 at 110 I will relativity know less than I know and understand today.
It is fun to learn about how people lived 3000 to 15,000 years ago that is still often a mystery as to their talents. This last summer I bought a 1966 Ford 3000 diesel tractor that I am fixing up so the daughter can use it with caring for her mini horses and some day when she gets out of school she can keep it if she wishes.
I post under my real name and photo. I use a real profile that will lead anyone interested to my full resume and web tracks on different forums of very different subjects. All my posts on the different forums are as factual as possible. My MFP posts are based on science that I expect I can successfully support if required in a legal environment.
My overriding concern is that people new to MFP be helped instead of being made fun of or worse. Some people do not seem to realize the pain levels of most people are already nearing the breaking point before they come to MFP hoping against hope to find a helpful word of encouragement and helpful knowledge.
Except from what I've seen, what you've learned about how people lived 3000-15000 years ago is based on anything but science. I would know. How people lived, and particularly human subsistence, is literally what I do for a living.12 -
So the weird thing about the Zodiac diet is that as a Sagittarius I'm pretty sure I'd have to eat a lot of oats and maybe some apples -- carbs, right? Should we sort the signs by their fitness to keto? Leo seems like a good candidate, for sure, but some of them have always confused me from a dietary perspective (Libra?).
My sister is a Taurus, are grain fed Taurans okay, or does she need to focus only on grass (she'll be seriously bummed). Presumably beef is out of the question; that's like cannibalism, so icky.6 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »So the weird thing about the Zodiac diet is that as a Sagittarius I'm pretty sure I'd have to eat a lot of oats and maybe some apples -- carbs, right? Should we sort the signs by their fitness to keto? Leo seems like a good candidate, for sure, but some of them have always confused me from a dietary perspective (Libra?).
My sister is a Taurus, are grain fed Taurans okay, or does she need to focus only on grass (she'll be seriously bummed). Presumably beef is out of the question; that's like cannibalism, so icky.
What is the diet for a Scorpio? Girl Scout Samoas? **crosses fingers**6 -
"Scorpions eat a variety of insects, spiders, other scorpions and lizards. They also eat small mammals, such as mice. Scorpions must have water to drink, but they can survive for months without food. It is okay for some of that food to be Samoas, but never Thin Mints."
So a mixed bag. Seems like you may be a candidate for some sort of extreme fasting protocol!
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Thank goodness ... I am a meat eater and I do not like my cookies tasting like toothpaste anyway
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I'm pisces... but I'm also ovo-lacto vegetarian.2
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estherdragonbat wrote: »I'm pisces... but I'm also ovo-lacto vegetarian.
I'm Aquarius, so does this mean I'm not allowed anything but water?1 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »I'm pisces... but I'm also ovo-lacto vegetarian.
I'm Aquarius, so does this mean I'm not allowed anything but water?
Only water and Jason Momoa for you!1 -
- Reduces inflammation in just a few days (ie: lower bp)
- Gets one off the sugar rollercoaster that drives many ppl to overeat in the first place
- Eliminates foods that have zero nutritional value from your diet, naturally
- Allows you to eat rich versions of your favorite foods again (milk, whole fat cheese, bacon)
- Improves dental health drastically (no sugar or carbs to give you plague)
- Better mental health (once you're no longer a sugar burner)
These are just a few of the many benefits of low carb lifestyle...25 -
DJ_Skywalker wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »I'm pisces... but I'm also ovo-lacto vegetarian.
I'm Aquarius, so does this mean I'm not allowed anything but water?
Only water and Jason Momoa for you!
I'll take Jason Momoa! The Zodiac diet is not as bad as I thought.5 -
Andrea4456 wrote: »- Reduces inflammation in just a few days (ie: lower bp)
- Gets one off the sugar rollercoaster that drives many ppl to overeat in the first place
- Eliminates foods that have zero nutritional value from your diet, naturally
- Allows you to eat rich versions of your favorite foods again (milk, whole fat cheese, bacon)
- Improves dental health drastically (no sugar or carbs to give you plague)
- Better mental health (once you're no longer a sugar burner)
These are just a few of the many benefits of low carb lifestyle...
Most of which are based off little science and can be achieve within a variety of diets.
Most don't just walk around with tons of chronic inflammation. Sugar doesn't make everyone overeat (fat does for me which is why I limit my fat intake) and a ketogenic diet, just like any diet, doesn't mean you eliminate foods with no nutritional value. Honestly, do you even pork rinds, bacon, or any other highly processed meats that often get incorporated ketogenic diets?
Also, it should be noted that you can incorporate all those good high fatty foods in diets even if you aren't keto.
Lastly, you are still a sugar burner while you are on ketogenic. Your body creates glucose from amino acids (~60%) and fatty acids (~40%) through a process called glucenogenesis. Because while your brain can run on ketones, your rest of the body prefers glucose. So yes, you have greater amounts of fat oxidation (because you eat more fat), you still have periods of carb oxidation. It's just the rates aren't as high as someone who is eating higher amounts of carbs. Ultimately, that only matters in terms of athletic performance. And when that is part of the equation, those who are sugar burners outperform those who are not. It's why low carb is not big in the athletic world.14 -
Andrea4456 wrote: »- Reduces inflammation in just a few days (ie: lower bp)
- Gets one off the sugar rollercoaster that drives many ppl to overeat in the first place
- Eliminates foods that have zero nutritional value from your diet, naturally
- Allows you to eat rich versions of your favorite foods again (milk, whole fat cheese, bacon)
- Improves dental health drastically (no sugar or carbs to give you plague)
- Better mental health (once you're no longer a sugar burner)
These are just a few of the many benefits of low carb lifestyle...
- Inflammation is such a misunderstood term.
- Sugar rollercoaster is in the eyes of the beholder. I rarely overeat sugary foods.
- I don't feel the need to eliminate less nutritious foods completely, that would be detrimental to my mental and social health. For what it's worth, oil and butter are nutritionally poor and provide little benefit beyond the essential amounts of fat needed.
- I eat rich versions of my favorite foods without having to go low carb, but on low carb, I can't eat more than half of my favorite foods (beans, fruits, lots of tomatoes, a whole eggplant, potatoes, pizza...etc).
- I have a toothbrush and a dentist mother.
- Mental health was the exact reason I could not continue with the diet. Low carbing affects my brain chemistry in extremely unpleasant ways.
These are just a few of many reasons why low carb is not for everyone, nor is better than other diets.9 -
Andrea4456 wrote: »- Reduces inflammation in just a few days (ie: lower bp)
- Gets one off the sugar rollercoaster that drives many ppl to overeat in the first place
- Eliminates foods that have zero nutritional value from your diet, naturally
- Allows you to eat rich versions of your favorite foods again (milk, whole fat cheese, bacon)
- Improves dental health drastically (no sugar or carbs to give you plague)
- Better mental health (once you're no longer a sugar burner)
These are just a few of the many benefits of low carb lifestyle...
Most of which are based off little science and can be achieve within a variety of diets.
^^^This...4 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »"Scorpions eat a variety of insects, spiders, other scorpions and lizards. They also eat small mammals, such as mice. Scorpions must have water to drink, but they can survive for months without food. It is okay for some of that food to be Samoas, but never Thin Mints."
So a mixed bag. Seems like you may be a candidate for some sort of extreme fasting protocol!
;-)
Or Chapulines. Grasshoppers eaten in Mexico! I wasn't in the area where they had those when I visited Mexico a couple of months ago but I did try the fried crickets and they were crunchy and fairly tasty. Most of the flavor came from the chile seasonings though.3 -
Andrea4456 wrote: »- Reduces inflammation in just a few days (ie: lower bp)
- Gets one off the sugar rollercoaster that drives many ppl to overeat in the first place
- Eliminates foods that have zero nutritional value from your diet, naturally
- Allows you to eat rich versions of your favorite foods again (milk, whole fat cheese, bacon)
- Improves dental health drastically (no sugar or carbs to give you plague)
- Better mental health (once you're no longer a sugar burner)
These are just a few of the many benefits of low carb lifestyle...
That all sounds like it was copied directly off some woo keto propaganda site like dietdoctor. Too bad there's no science to back it up.7 -
Andrea4456 wrote: »- Reduces inflammation in just a few days (ie: lower bp)
- Gets one off the sugar rollercoaster that drives many ppl to overeat in the first place
- Eliminates foods that have zero nutritional value from your diet, naturally
- Allows you to eat rich versions of your favorite foods again (milk, whole fat cheese, bacon)
- Improves dental health drastically (no sugar or carbs to give you plague)
- Better mental health (once you're no longer a sugar burner)
These are just a few of the many benefits of low carb lifestyle...
Most of which are based off little science and can be achieve within a variety of diets.
Most don't just walk around with tons of chronic inflammation. Sugar doesn't make everyone overeat (fat does for me which is why I limit my fat intake) and a ketogenic diet, just like any diet, doesn't mean you eliminate foods with no nutritional value. Honestly, do you even pork rinds, bacon, or any other highly processed meats that often get incorporated ketogenic diets?
Also, it should be noted that you can incorporate all those good high fatty foods in diets even if you aren't keto.
Lastly, you are still a sugar burner while you are on ketogenic. Your body creates glucose from amino acids (~60%) and fatty acids (~40%) through a process called glucenogenesis. Because while your brain can run on ketones, your rest of the body prefers glucose. So yes, you have greater amounts of fat oxidation (because you eat more fat), you still have periods of carb oxidation. It's just the rates aren't as high as someone who is eating higher amounts of carbs. Ultimately, that only matters in terms of athletic performance. And when that is part of the equation, those who are sugar burners outperform those who are not. It's why low carb is not big in the athletic world.
Cosigned! Great post!4 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »So the weird thing about the Zodiac diet is that as a Sagittarius I'm pretty sure I'd have to eat a lot of oats and maybe some apples -- carbs, right? Should we sort the signs by their fitness to keto? Leo seems like a good candidate, for sure, but some of them have always confused me from a dietary perspective (Libra?).
My sister is a Taurus, are grain fed Taurans okay, or does she need to focus only on grass (she'll be seriously bummed). Presumably beef is out of the question; that's like cannibalism, so icky.
So as a Capricorn, I'm supposed to avoid chocolate, sugar, and spicy foods (so they want me to be miserable), I supposedly am susceptible to alcoholism so I should avoid alcohol (more miserable), I need lots of calcium and protein so dairy is recommended, and then arbitrarily I'm encouraged to eat leeks, beef, kale, quinoa, cauliflower, and cranberries. I guess that could work for keto?
However, my blood type is AB. As per the blood type diet, I have low stomach acid and do not digest meat well, so I should avoid it or at least eat in very small portions. I am supposed to eat fish though, so I guess you could make keto work if you wanted to load up on the fish. This diet also tells me to cut out alcohol (and caffeine), so they can kiss my heiny as well.
The symbol for Capricorn is a goat with a fish tail. This could get confusing. I think I'm just going to eat what I'm already eating. If keto works for you, more power to ya.3 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Andrea4456 wrote: »- Reduces inflammation in just a few days (ie: lower bp)
- Gets one off the sugar rollercoaster that drives many ppl to overeat in the first place
- Eliminates foods that have zero nutritional value from your diet, naturally
- Allows you to eat rich versions of your favorite foods again (milk, whole fat cheese, bacon)
- Improves dental health drastically (no sugar or carbs to give you plague)
- Better mental health (once you're no longer a sugar burner)
These are just a few of the many benefits of low carb lifestyle...
- Inflammation is such a misunderstood term.
- Sugar rollercoaster is in the eyes of the beholder. I rarely overeat sugary foods.
- I don't feel the need to eliminate less nutritious foods completely, that would be detrimental to my mental and social health. For what it's worth, oil and butter are nutritionally poor and provide little benefit beyond the essential amounts of fat needed.
- I eat rich versions of my favorite foods without having to go low carb, but on low carb, I can't eat more than half of my favorite foods (beans, fruits, lots of tomatoes, a whole eggplant, potatoes, pizza...etc).
- I have a toothbrush and a dentist mother.
- Mental health was the exact reason I could not continue with the diet. Low carbing affects my brain chemistry in extremely unpleasant ways.
These are just a few of many reasons why low carb is not for everyone, nor is better than other diets.
To the bolded, it was the same for me and I wish keto dieters were less eager to erase our experiences. I've been told by certain ketoers on this board that I should have kept going and pushed through, which is advice that could get someone hurt very quickly if they don't experience the magical side effects of the All Healing Keto.10 -
diannethegeek wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Andrea4456 wrote: »- Reduces inflammation in just a few days (ie: lower bp)
- Gets one off the sugar rollercoaster that drives many ppl to overeat in the first place
- Eliminates foods that have zero nutritional value from your diet, naturally
- Allows you to eat rich versions of your favorite foods again (milk, whole fat cheese, bacon)
- Improves dental health drastically (no sugar or carbs to give you plague)
- Better mental health (once you're no longer a sugar burner)
These are just a few of the many benefits of low carb lifestyle...
- Inflammation is such a misunderstood term.
- Sugar rollercoaster is in the eyes of the beholder. I rarely overeat sugary foods.
- I don't feel the need to eliminate less nutritious foods completely, that would be detrimental to my mental and social health. For what it's worth, oil and butter are nutritionally poor and provide little benefit beyond the essential amounts of fat needed.
- I eat rich versions of my favorite foods without having to go low carb, but on low carb, I can't eat more than half of my favorite foods (beans, fruits, lots of tomatoes, a whole eggplant, potatoes, pizza...etc).
- I have a toothbrush and a dentist mother.
- Mental health was the exact reason I could not continue with the diet. Low carbing affects my brain chemistry in extremely unpleasant ways.
These are just a few of many reasons why low carb is not for everyone, nor is better than other diets.
To the bolded, it was the same for me and I wish keto dieters were less eager to erase our experiences. I've been told by certain ketoers on this board that I should have kept going and pushed through, which is advice that could get someone hurt very quickly if they don't experience the magical side effects of the All Healing Keto.
I feel the same way about those who push exercise for depression. Sure exercise is healthy and good but it hasn't stopped my need for antidepressants. I have suicidal thoughts off meds even when I exercised 2 hours a day. I'm glad it helps some but my need for antidepressants isn't because i was not exercising enough.3 -
bergeree1989 wrote: »Yes! It is the only thing that worked for me. Health problems have essentially disappeared. Yes, it's hard and "restrictive" but its restrictive in that it restricts things I shouldn't be eating in the first place (i.e binging a tub of ice cream or a pound of enriched white pasta). So...I dont think that's restrictive at all, lol.
Also legumes, lentils, root vegetables, oats...and lots of other things that are very good for you.4
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