What's the best diet or fitness advice you've ever heard?
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Go by Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE) to know how much food to eat in order to lose fat, not lean, muscle mass. Good Calculator here: https://damnripped.com/tdee-calculator/1
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quiksylver296 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »Silentpadna wrote: »
It makes sense. 250 calories of protein and salad is more nourishing thank 250 of crap
Not sure why I got "woo'd" here.
People on here don't believe in nutrition. It's all CICO.
Edit: I just got woo'd enough to bring my count up to 100. Almost all my woos are when I bring up nutrition. Ha ha ha. These people are fun.
No. "People on here" (at least some people) are intelligent enough to realize that they're two separate topics and the issues are contextual.
Yes they are 2 separate issues. However, every time someone mentions that a salad is better for you than a twinkie. (Or something similar) people start arguing saying no it's all about CICO. We know to lose weight is CICO. This is myfitnesspal not myweightlosspal. It is better for your overall health to eat nutritious food. It is also a hell of a lot easier to stay within calorie range when you eat "good" food instead of "bad" food.
^ Typical binary thinking. Completely ignores context and dosage.
Example #1 - ask a marathon runner at mile 21, or a Tour de France rider approaching the end of a stage, if they'd prefer a handful of Skittles or a bowl of organic kale.
Not even the point. The point was when mentioning nutrition in any of these forums people act like nutrition isn't important.
There are "people" who say you can lose weight while in a caloric surplus on keto/IF; there are "people" who say apple cider vinegar will melt the fat off your body; there are "people" who think eating 500 calories a day is a good idea.
People who understand the big picture understand that nutrition is important for a lot of reasons. But speaking purely in terms of weight loss, it's irrelevant. And people who understand the big picture also understand that context and dosage matter a great deal when speaking of nutrition.
Like I said earlier this is myfitnesspal not myweightlosspal. Why do people always want to act as though nutrition isn't important.
I've never seen a single thread that has said that. Can you link one?
For instance someone asked for meal ideas for weight loss. Not one person gave her any meals they just said eat whatever you want as long as it's within your calorie goals. That's crap advice. She asked for meal ideas. If she eats a donut for breakfast because it fits her calories then she'll be starving before lunch.13 -
jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »Silentpadna wrote: »
It makes sense. 250 calories of protein and salad is more nourishing thank 250 of crap
Not sure why I got "woo'd" here.
People on here don't believe in nutrition. It's all CICO.
Edit: I just got woo'd enough to bring my count up to 100. Almost all my woos are when I bring up nutrition. Ha ha ha. These people are fun.
No. "People on here" (at least some people) are intelligent enough to realize that they're two separate topics and the issues are contextual.
Yes they are 2 separate issues. However, every time someone mentions that a salad is better for you than a twinkie. (Or something similar) people start arguing saying no it's all about CICO. We know to lose weight is CICO. This is myfitnesspal not myweightlosspal. It is better for your overall health to eat nutritious food. It is also a hell of a lot easier to stay within calorie range when you eat "good" food instead of "bad" food.
^ Typical binary thinking. Completely ignores context and dosage.
Example #1 - ask a marathon runner at mile 21, or a Tour de France rider approaching the end of a stage, if they'd prefer a handful of Skittles or a bowl of organic kale.
Not even the point. The point was when mentioning nutrition in any of these forums people act like nutrition isn't important.
There are "people" who say you can lose weight while in a caloric surplus on keto/IF; there are "people" who say apple cider vinegar will melt the fat off your body; there are "people" who think eating 500 calories a day is a good idea.
People who understand the big picture understand that nutrition is important for a lot of reasons. But speaking purely in terms of weight loss, it's irrelevant. And people who understand the big picture also understand that context and dosage matter a great deal when speaking of nutrition.
Like I said earlier this is myfitnesspal not myweightlosspal. Why do people always want to act as though nutrition isn't important.
Link to some specific posts, please.
Just start reading they are everywhere.
I've read thousands of threads and never seen what you are claiming.4 -
jefamer2017 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »Silentpadna wrote: »
It makes sense. 250 calories of protein and salad is more nourishing thank 250 of crap
Not sure why I got "woo'd" here.
People on here don't believe in nutrition. It's all CICO.
Edit: I just got woo'd enough to bring my count up to 100. Almost all my woos are when I bring up nutrition. Ha ha ha. These people are fun.
No. "People on here" (at least some people) are intelligent enough to realize that they're two separate topics and the issues are contextual.
Yes they are 2 separate issues. However, every time someone mentions that a salad is better for you than a twinkie. (Or something similar) people start arguing saying no it's all about CICO. We know to lose weight is CICO. This is myfitnesspal not myweightlosspal. It is better for your overall health to eat nutritious food. It is also a hell of a lot easier to stay within calorie range when you eat "good" food instead of "bad" food.
^ Typical binary thinking. Completely ignores context and dosage.
Example #1 - ask a marathon runner at mile 21, or a Tour de France rider approaching the end of a stage, if they'd prefer a handful of Skittles or a bowl of organic kale.
Not even the point. The point was when mentioning nutrition in any of these forums people act like nutrition isn't important.
There are "people" who say you can lose weight while in a caloric surplus on keto/IF; there are "people" who say apple cider vinegar will melt the fat off your body; there are "people" who think eating 500 calories a day is a good idea.
People who understand the big picture understand that nutrition is important for a lot of reasons. But speaking purely in terms of weight loss, it's irrelevant. And people who understand the big picture also understand that context and dosage matter a great deal when speaking of nutrition.
Like I said earlier this is myfitnesspal not myweightlosspal. Why do people always want to act as though nutrition isn't important.
I've never seen a single thread that has said that. Can you link one?
For instance someone asked for meal ideas for weight loss. Not one person gave her any meals they just said eat whatever you want as long as it's within your calorie goals. That's crap advice. She asked for meal ideas. If she eats a donut for breakfast because it fits her calories then she'll be starving before lunch.
Was OP malnourished eating what she liked before? Keep in mind, the advice "eat what you like" is often given in these situations because it's assumed that people are already eating a variety of foods and are not in a malnourished state.
If someone comes on sharing that they are not meeting their nutritional needs and asking for advice, they'll get advice to help them do that. I've seen in many times.
But I'm not sure why you would assume this particular poster is coming to us in a state of malnourishment and not understanding how to meet her needs. Do you think she was already trying to live on donuts?10 -
janejellyroll wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »Silentpadna wrote: »
It makes sense. 250 calories of protein and salad is more nourishing thank 250 of crap
Not sure why I got "woo'd" here.
People on here don't believe in nutrition. It's all CICO.
Edit: I just got woo'd enough to bring my count up to 100. Almost all my woos are when I bring up nutrition. Ha ha ha. These people are fun.
No. "People on here" (at least some people) are intelligent enough to realize that they're two separate topics and the issues are contextual.
Yes they are 2 separate issues. However, every time someone mentions that a salad is better for you than a twinkie. (Or something similar) people start arguing saying no it's all about CICO. We know to lose weight is CICO. This is myfitnesspal not myweightlosspal. It is better for your overall health to eat nutritious food. It is also a hell of a lot easier to stay within calorie range when you eat "good" food instead of "bad" food.
^ Typical binary thinking. Completely ignores context and dosage.
Example #1 - ask a marathon runner at mile 21, or a Tour de France rider approaching the end of a stage, if they'd prefer a handful of Skittles or a bowl of organic kale.
Not even the point. The point was when mentioning nutrition in any of these forums people act like nutrition isn't important.
There are "people" who say you can lose weight while in a caloric surplus on keto/IF; there are "people" who say apple cider vinegar will melt the fat off your body; there are "people" who think eating 500 calories a day is a good idea.
People who understand the big picture understand that nutrition is important for a lot of reasons. But speaking purely in terms of weight loss, it's irrelevant. And people who understand the big picture also understand that context and dosage matter a great deal when speaking of nutrition.
Like I said earlier this is myfitnesspal not myweightlosspal. Why do people always want to act as though nutrition isn't important.
I've never seen a single thread that has said that. Can you link one?
For instance someone asked for meal ideas for weight loss. Not one person gave her any meals they just said eat whatever you want as long as it's within your calorie goals. That's crap advice. She asked for meal ideas. If she eats a donut for breakfast because it fits her calories then she'll be starving before lunch.
Was OP malnourished eating what she liked before? Keep in mind, the advice "eat what you like" is often given in these situations because it's assumed that people are already eating a variety of foods and are not in a malnourished state.
If someone comes on sharing that they are not meeting their nutritional needs and asking for advice, they'll get advice to help them do that. I've seen in many times.
But I'm not sure why you would assume this particular poster is coming to us in a state of malnourishment and not understanding how to meet her needs. Do you think she was already trying to live on donuts?
Omg nevermind.13 -
jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »Silentpadna wrote: »
It makes sense. 250 calories of protein and salad is more nourishing thank 250 of crap
Not sure why I got "woo'd" here.
People on here don't believe in nutrition. It's all CICO.
Edit: I just got woo'd enough to bring my count up to 100. Almost all my woos are when I bring up nutrition. Ha ha ha. These people are fun.
No. "People on here" (at least some people) are intelligent enough to realize that they're two separate topics and the issues are contextual.
Yes they are 2 separate issues. However, every time someone mentions that a salad is better for you than a twinkie. (Or something similar) people start arguing saying no it's all about CICO. We know to lose weight is CICO. This is myfitnesspal not myweightlosspal. It is better for your overall health to eat nutritious food. It is also a hell of a lot easier to stay within calorie range when you eat "good" food instead of "bad" food.
^ Typical binary thinking. Completely ignores context and dosage.
Example #1 - ask a marathon runner at mile 21, or a Tour de France rider approaching the end of a stage, if they'd prefer a handful of Skittles or a bowl of organic kale.
Not even the point. The point was when mentioning nutrition in any of these forums people act like nutrition isn't important.
There are "people" who say you can lose weight while in a caloric surplus on keto/IF; there are "people" who say apple cider vinegar will melt the fat off your body; there are "people" who think eating 500 calories a day is a good idea.
People who understand the big picture understand that nutrition is important for a lot of reasons. But speaking purely in terms of weight loss, it's irrelevant. And people who understand the big picture also understand that context and dosage matter a great deal when speaking of nutrition.
Like I said earlier this is myfitnesspal not myweightlosspal. Why do people always want to act as though nutrition isn't important.
It's been pounded into people's heads that you have to eat less, and stop eating certain foods, and definitely can't eat "any" fats, since childhood. It's a lie that many never stop believing
The proof of the truth is everywhere, and I'm glad I opened my eyes to it. I so hope others will. What is a month out of your life to "experiment" with. For me personally, sure, I'd rather have "fast" weightloss, but when I see what happens losing weight, and the difference between the "types" of "weight" lost, it's too frightening for me. I'm not about to lose lean, muscle mass if I can help it by fueling with healthy foods, especially our macros.
I've been enlightened especially by the em2wl group of gals and "did" prove it to myself.1 -
jefamer2017 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »Silentpadna wrote: »
It makes sense. 250 calories of protein and salad is more nourishing thank 250 of crap
Not sure why I got "woo'd" here.
People on here don't believe in nutrition. It's all CICO.
Edit: I just got woo'd enough to bring my count up to 100. Almost all my woos are when I bring up nutrition. Ha ha ha. These people are fun.
No. "People on here" (at least some people) are intelligent enough to realize that they're two separate topics and the issues are contextual.
Yes they are 2 separate issues. However, every time someone mentions that a salad is better for you than a twinkie. (Or something similar) people start arguing saying no it's all about CICO. We know to lose weight is CICO. This is myfitnesspal not myweightlosspal. It is better for your overall health to eat nutritious food. It is also a hell of a lot easier to stay within calorie range when you eat "good" food instead of "bad" food.
^ Typical binary thinking. Completely ignores context and dosage.
Example #1 - ask a marathon runner at mile 21, or a Tour de France rider approaching the end of a stage, if they'd prefer a handful of Skittles or a bowl of organic kale.
Not even the point. The point was when mentioning nutrition in any of these forums people act like nutrition isn't important.
There are "people" who say you can lose weight while in a caloric surplus on keto/IF; there are "people" who say apple cider vinegar will melt the fat off your body; there are "people" who think eating 500 calories a day is a good idea.
People who understand the big picture understand that nutrition is important for a lot of reasons. But speaking purely in terms of weight loss, it's irrelevant. And people who understand the big picture also understand that context and dosage matter a great deal when speaking of nutrition.
Like I said earlier this is myfitnesspal not myweightlosspal. Why do people always want to act as though nutrition isn't important.
I've never seen a single thread that has said that. Can you link one?
For instance someone asked for meal ideas for weight loss. Not one person gave her any meals they just said eat whatever you want as long as it's within your calorie goals. That's crap advice. She asked for meal ideas. If she eats a donut for breakfast because it fits her calories then she'll be starving before lunch.
Was OP malnourished eating what she liked before? Keep in mind, the advice "eat what you like" is often given in these situations because it's assumed that people are already eating a variety of foods and are not in a malnourished state.
If someone comes on sharing that they are not meeting their nutritional needs and asking for advice, they'll get advice to help them do that. I've seen in many times.
But I'm not sure why you would assume this particular poster is coming to us in a state of malnourishment and not understanding how to meet her needs. Do you think she was already trying to live on donuts?
Omg nevermind.
I'm sorry if this is a frustrating conversation for you, but it's also sometimes frustrating to see newer posters claim that nobody here cares about nutrition when many of us are active in various threads helping people figure out ways to meet their nutritional needs.19 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »Silentpadna wrote: »
It makes sense. 250 calories of protein and salad is more nourishing thank 250 of crap
Not sure why I got "woo'd" here.
People on here don't believe in nutrition. It's all CICO.
Edit: I just got woo'd enough to bring my count up to 100. Almost all my woos are when I bring up nutrition. Ha ha ha. These people are fun.
No. "People on here" (at least some people) are intelligent enough to realize that they're two separate topics and the issues are contextual.
Yes they are 2 separate issues. However, every time someone mentions that a salad is better for you than a twinkie. (Or something similar) people start arguing saying no it's all about CICO. We know to lose weight is CICO. This is myfitnesspal not myweightlosspal. It is better for your overall health to eat nutritious food. It is also a hell of a lot easier to stay within calorie range when you eat "good" food instead of "bad" food.
^ Typical binary thinking. Completely ignores context and dosage.
Example #1 - ask a marathon runner at mile 21, or a Tour de France rider approaching the end of a stage, if they'd prefer a handful of Skittles or a bowl of organic kale.
Not even the point. The point was when mentioning nutrition in any of these forums people act like nutrition isn't important.
There are "people" who say you can lose weight while in a caloric surplus on keto/IF; there are "people" who say apple cider vinegar will melt the fat off your body; there are "people" who think eating 500 calories a day is a good idea.
People who understand the big picture understand that nutrition is important for a lot of reasons. But speaking purely in terms of weight loss, it's irrelevant. And people who understand the big picture also understand that context and dosage matter a great deal when speaking of nutrition.
Like I said earlier this is myfitnesspal not myweightlosspal. Why do people always want to act as though nutrition isn't important.
I've never seen a single thread that has said that. Can you link one?
Just the lack of discussions on healthy nutrition is the proof. I mentioned TDEE, and eating enough the other day on a thread and not one response. It could be for a lot of reasons there was no response, I realize, but could it also be no one wanted to look at that aspect of fitness?
I haven't read everything on this thread I admit, and different people have a different take on healthy nutrition. I'm just saying that I think that is more what the person you replied to is talking about, I could be wrong of course.8 -
abbynormal52 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »Silentpadna wrote: »
It makes sense. 250 calories of protein and salad is more nourishing thank 250 of crap
Not sure why I got "woo'd" here.
People on here don't believe in nutrition. It's all CICO.
Edit: I just got woo'd enough to bring my count up to 100. Almost all my woos are when I bring up nutrition. Ha ha ha. These people are fun.
No. "People on here" (at least some people) are intelligent enough to realize that they're two separate topics and the issues are contextual.
Yes they are 2 separate issues. However, every time someone mentions that a salad is better for you than a twinkie. (Or something similar) people start arguing saying no it's all about CICO. We know to lose weight is CICO. This is myfitnesspal not myweightlosspal. It is better for your overall health to eat nutritious food. It is also a hell of a lot easier to stay within calorie range when you eat "good" food instead of "bad" food.
^ Typical binary thinking. Completely ignores context and dosage.
Example #1 - ask a marathon runner at mile 21, or a Tour de France rider approaching the end of a stage, if they'd prefer a handful of Skittles or a bowl of organic kale.
Not even the point. The point was when mentioning nutrition in any of these forums people act like nutrition isn't important.
There are "people" who say you can lose weight while in a caloric surplus on keto/IF; there are "people" who say apple cider vinegar will melt the fat off your body; there are "people" who think eating 500 calories a day is a good idea.
People who understand the big picture understand that nutrition is important for a lot of reasons. But speaking purely in terms of weight loss, it's irrelevant. And people who understand the big picture also understand that context and dosage matter a great deal when speaking of nutrition.
Like I said earlier this is myfitnesspal not myweightlosspal. Why do people always want to act as though nutrition isn't important.
I've never seen a single thread that has said that. Can you link one?
Just the lack of discussions on healthy nutrition is the proof. I mentioned TDEE, and eating enough the other day on a thread and not one response. It could be for a lot of reasons there was no response, I realize, but could it also be no one wanted to look at that aspect of fitness?
I haven't read everything on this thread I admit, and different people have a different take on healthy nutrition. I'm just saying that I think that is more what the person you replied to is talking about, I could be wrong of course.
Have you checked out the "Food and Nutrition" area? Conversations about meeting specific needs can more often be found there.7 -
abbynormal52 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »Silentpadna wrote: »
It makes sense. 250 calories of protein and salad is more nourishing thank 250 of crap
Not sure why I got "woo'd" here.
People on here don't believe in nutrition. It's all CICO.
Edit: I just got woo'd enough to bring my count up to 100. Almost all my woos are when I bring up nutrition. Ha ha ha. These people are fun.
No. "People on here" (at least some people) are intelligent enough to realize that they're two separate topics and the issues are contextual.
Yes they are 2 separate issues. However, every time someone mentions that a salad is better for you than a twinkie. (Or something similar) people start arguing saying no it's all about CICO. We know to lose weight is CICO. This is myfitnesspal not myweightlosspal. It is better for your overall health to eat nutritious food. It is also a hell of a lot easier to stay within calorie range when you eat "good" food instead of "bad" food.
^ Typical binary thinking. Completely ignores context and dosage.
Example #1 - ask a marathon runner at mile 21, or a Tour de France rider approaching the end of a stage, if they'd prefer a handful of Skittles or a bowl of organic kale.
Not even the point. The point was when mentioning nutrition in any of these forums people act like nutrition isn't important.
There are "people" who say you can lose weight while in a caloric surplus on keto/IF; there are "people" who say apple cider vinegar will melt the fat off your body; there are "people" who think eating 500 calories a day is a good idea.
People who understand the big picture understand that nutrition is important for a lot of reasons. But speaking purely in terms of weight loss, it's irrelevant. And people who understand the big picture also understand that context and dosage matter a great deal when speaking of nutrition.
Like I said earlier this is myfitnesspal not myweightlosspal. Why do people always want to act as though nutrition isn't important.
I've never seen a single thread that has said that. Can you link one?
Just the lack of discussions on healthy nutrition is the proof. I mentioned TDEE, and eating enough the other day on a thread and not one response. It could be for a lot of reasons there was no response, I realize, but could it also be no one wanted to look at that aspect of fitness?
I haven't read everything on this thread I admit, and different people have a different take on healthy nutrition. I'm just saying that I think that is more what the person you replied to is talking about, I could be wrong of course.
I doubt it. Your thread probably got buried under a bunch of others and no one ever saw it.
I've discussed/responded to questions about TDEE and nutrition on this site a lot. My almost 18,000 posts aren't from ChitChat.10 -
abbynormal52 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »Silentpadna wrote: »
It makes sense. 250 calories of protein and salad is more nourishing thank 250 of crap
Not sure why I got "woo'd" here.
People on here don't believe in nutrition. It's all CICO.
Edit: I just got woo'd enough to bring my count up to 100. Almost all my woos are when I bring up nutrition. Ha ha ha. These people are fun.
No. "People on here" (at least some people) are intelligent enough to realize that they're two separate topics and the issues are contextual.
Yes they are 2 separate issues. However, every time someone mentions that a salad is better for you than a twinkie. (Or something similar) people start arguing saying no it's all about CICO. We know to lose weight is CICO. This is myfitnesspal not myweightlosspal. It is better for your overall health to eat nutritious food. It is also a hell of a lot easier to stay within calorie range when you eat "good" food instead of "bad" food.
^ Typical binary thinking. Completely ignores context and dosage.
Example #1 - ask a marathon runner at mile 21, or a Tour de France rider approaching the end of a stage, if they'd prefer a handful of Skittles or a bowl of organic kale.
Not even the point. The point was when mentioning nutrition in any of these forums people act like nutrition isn't important.
There are "people" who say you can lose weight while in a caloric surplus on keto/IF; there are "people" who say apple cider vinegar will melt the fat off your body; there are "people" who think eating 500 calories a day is a good idea.
People who understand the big picture understand that nutrition is important for a lot of reasons. But speaking purely in terms of weight loss, it's irrelevant. And people who understand the big picture also understand that context and dosage matter a great deal when speaking of nutrition.
Like I said earlier this is myfitnesspal not myweightlosspal. Why do people always want to act as though nutrition isn't important.
I've never seen a single thread that has said that. Can you link one?
Just the lack of discussions on healthy nutrition is the proof. I mentioned TDEE, and eating enough the other day on a thread and not one response. It could be for a lot of reasons there was no response, I realize, but could it also be no one wanted to look at that aspect of fitness?
I haven't read everything on this thread I admit, and different people have a different take on healthy nutrition. I'm just saying that I think that is more what the person you replied to is talking about, I could be wrong of course.
Also, don't you have more than 100 responses now to your thread asking for tips on meeting your nutritional needs on a budget?9 -
We're not talking about the same thread, I think you are talking about my thread. Yes, I had a lot of good nutrition suggestions. But on the whole, if we compared, I wonder how many people are talking about good nutrition, or not? Even if it's even on the #, I am hoping more will be speaking up on the nutrition side of fitness, healthy nutrition.
PS I don't think I mentioned "healthy nutrition" in the Topic, but I am grateful for the many that went ahead and added that into the discussion;)
Went back and looked, yes I did say healthy, apologies. I am glad it comes so natural for me to mention it now. It didn't used to.0 -
abbynormal52 wrote: »We're not talking about the same thread, I think you are talking about my thread. Yes, I had a lot of good nutrition suggestions. But on the whole, if we compared, I wonder how many people are talking about good nutrition, or not? Even if it's even on the #, I am hoping more will be speaking up on the nutrition side of fitness, healthy nutrition.
Yes, I'm saying I find it odd that you're saying there is a lack of discussion on the subject when you currently have an active thread going where people are discussing that very subject. I think lots of people are talking about nutrition here.5 -
jefamer2017 wrote: »For instance someone asked for meal ideas for weight loss. Not one person gave her any meals they just said eat whatever you want as long as it's within your calorie goals. That's crap advice. She asked for meal ideas. If she eats a donut for breakfast because it fits her calories then she'll be starving before lunch.
And once again, the title and main subject of that thread was "meals for WEIGHT LOSS". Not meals for adequate nutrition, or a specific question about how to increase intake of a certain macro- or micronutrient, or timing meals around workout performance, or for optimal body composition. Not saying she ate donuts for breakfast and asking if that was okay. Not saying she was suffering from malnutrition and asking how to fix it. The specific topic was WEIGHT LOSS.
WEIGHT LOSS happens by consuming less calories than you expend. Which was exactly the advice repeatedly given to her. Because the title and main subject of that thread was "meals for WEIGHT LOSS". And there are no specific meals for WEIGHT LOSS. Speaking purely in terms of WEIGHT LOSS, you can eat whatever you want as long as you're creating a calorie deficit. That's an established scientific fact.
Personally, I don't usually even respond to threads like that because 1) It's a waste of time to suggest a bunch of different meals without knowing somebody's preferences, dietary restrictions, etc., and 2) There are people called 'nutritionists' who make meal plans for people. And they get paid for it. If I were to offer advice to such a generic question, it would be a generic answer - very similar to many of the answers she got.17 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »abbynormal52 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »Silentpadna wrote: »
It makes sense. 250 calories of protein and salad is more nourishing thank 250 of crap
Not sure why I got "woo'd" here.
People on here don't believe in nutrition. It's all CICO.
Edit: I just got woo'd enough to bring my count up to 100. Almost all my woos are when I bring up nutrition. Ha ha ha. These people are fun.
No. "People on here" (at least some people) are intelligent enough to realize that they're two separate topics and the issues are contextual.
Yes they are 2 separate issues. However, every time someone mentions that a salad is better for you than a twinkie. (Or something similar) people start arguing saying no it's all about CICO. We know to lose weight is CICO. This is myfitnesspal not myweightlosspal. It is better for your overall health to eat nutritious food. It is also a hell of a lot easier to stay within calorie range when you eat "good" food instead of "bad" food.
^ Typical binary thinking. Completely ignores context and dosage.
Example #1 - ask a marathon runner at mile 21, or a Tour de France rider approaching the end of a stage, if they'd prefer a handful of Skittles or a bowl of organic kale.
Not even the point. The point was when mentioning nutrition in any of these forums people act like nutrition isn't important.
There are "people" who say you can lose weight while in a caloric surplus on keto/IF; there are "people" who say apple cider vinegar will melt the fat off your body; there are "people" who think eating 500 calories a day is a good idea.
People who understand the big picture understand that nutrition is important for a lot of reasons. But speaking purely in terms of weight loss, it's irrelevant. And people who understand the big picture also understand that context and dosage matter a great deal when speaking of nutrition.
Like I said earlier this is myfitnesspal not myweightlosspal. Why do people always want to act as though nutrition isn't important.
I've never seen a single thread that has said that. Can you link one?
Just the lack of discussions on healthy nutrition is the proof. I mentioned TDEE, and eating enough the other day on a thread and not one response. It could be for a lot of reasons there was no response, I realize, but could it also be no one wanted to look at that aspect of fitness?
I haven't read everything on this thread I admit, and different people have a different take on healthy nutrition. I'm just saying that I think that is more what the person you replied to is talking about, I could be wrong of course.
I doubt it. Your thread probably got buried under a bunch of others and no one ever saw it.
I've discussed/responded to questions about TDEE and nutrition on this site a lot. My almost 18,000 posts aren't from ChitChat.
I worded that all wrong, I am sorry, truly. I just believe there is more discussions on things besides nutrition when it comes to weight-loss/fitness. The whole thing for me is knowing the healthy way to lose, and some still stuck in that rut of eat til you're starving to lose weight. I took what it took to get me to take a good look at some facts, so I have to realize the same has to be true for others.
I'm just going to say here that I am darn grateful to those that speak up about the importance of healthy nutrition, whenever they can.
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janejellyroll wrote: »abbynormal52 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »k8andchr1smom wrote: »Silentpadna wrote: »
It makes sense. 250 calories of protein and salad is more nourishing thank 250 of crap
Not sure why I got "woo'd" here.
People on here don't believe in nutrition. It's all CICO.
Edit: I just got woo'd enough to bring my count up to 100. Almost all my woos are when I bring up nutrition. Ha ha ha. These people are fun.
No. "People on here" (at least some people) are intelligent enough to realize that they're two separate topics and the issues are contextual.
Yes they are 2 separate issues. However, every time someone mentions that a salad is better for you than a twinkie. (Or something similar) people start arguing saying no it's all about CICO. We know to lose weight is CICO. This is myfitnesspal not myweightlosspal. It is better for your overall health to eat nutritious food. It is also a hell of a lot easier to stay within calorie range when you eat "good" food instead of "bad" food.
^ Typical binary thinking. Completely ignores context and dosage.
Example #1 - ask a marathon runner at mile 21, or a Tour de France rider approaching the end of a stage, if they'd prefer a handful of Skittles or a bowl of organic kale.
Not even the point. The point was when mentioning nutrition in any of these forums people act like nutrition isn't important.
There are "people" who say you can lose weight while in a caloric surplus on keto/IF; there are "people" who say apple cider vinegar will melt the fat off your body; there are "people" who think eating 500 calories a day is a good idea.
People who understand the big picture understand that nutrition is important for a lot of reasons. But speaking purely in terms of weight loss, it's irrelevant. And people who understand the big picture also understand that context and dosage matter a great deal when speaking of nutrition.
Like I said earlier this is myfitnesspal not myweightlosspal. Why do people always want to act as though nutrition isn't important.
I've never seen a single thread that has said that. Can you link one?
Just the lack of discussions on healthy nutrition is the proof. I mentioned TDEE, and eating enough the other day on a thread and not one response. It could be for a lot of reasons there was no response, I realize, but could it also be no one wanted to look at that aspect of fitness?
I haven't read everything on this thread I admit, and different people have a different take on healthy nutrition. I'm just saying that I think that is more what the person you replied to is talking about, I could be wrong of course.
Have you checked out the "Food and Nutrition" area? Conversations about meeting specific needs can more often be found there.
and here, it's just who is reading them, we can only hope:)
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https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10662786/unhealthy-diet/p1
Here is a great example of why nutrition is important. This is why saying CICO is all that matters for weight loss.4 -
jefamer2017 wrote: »https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10662786/unhealthy-diet/p1
Here is a great example of why nutrition is important. This is why saying CICO is all that matters for weight loss.
That person seems to have a healthy diet and admits to cutting calories too low for awhile. So, not exactly relevant to your point.8 -
If you want to SEE a change, you must MAKE a change7
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concordancia wrote: »jefamer2017 wrote: »https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10662786/unhealthy-diet/p1
Here is a great example of why nutrition is important. This is why saying CICO is all that matters for weight loss.
That person seems to have a healthy diet and admits to cutting calories too low for awhile. So, not exactly relevant to your point.
Read it again in its entirety. She said that she was eating well. Then when she discovered MFP she started eating more foods that were not considered healthy and followed CICO.2
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