May 2018 Running Challenge
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So I have a fun dilemma. Wear a device on each wrist or retire my Fitbit that I've only had since August?
Retire the fitbit. Once you go Garmin, you won't go back.
Also, seriously, it's nice to have all of your exercise/fitness information in one place.
A very easy 4 miles this morning though it was supposed to be a rest day. The weather was just too nice to resist. Potential rain this weekend so maybe I'll skip my long run.
5/1: 5.4 miles easy
5/2: 6.2 miles speed (10K PR!)
5/3: 4.5 miles easy
Total May: 16 out of 100
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5/1 - 5 mile group speed/track workout, then upper body weights / abs.
5/2 - Overslept...unplanned rest day.
5/3 - 4 treadmill miles. Trek Class.
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lporter229 wrote: »I've been stalking the weather forecast for Sunday. So far it looks to be pretty good. Low 50s at the start then warming up to the high 70s, but hopefully I will be done before then. There is a chance of thunderstorms later in the day which worries me because out weather people often miss the timing on those kinds of things. Oh well, I will be running either way. Can hardly complain after what @MobyCarp dealt with in Boston and @MNLittleFinn and @7Lenny7 at Zumbro, right?
Another runner told me the weather is a neutral factor. On race day, everyone gets the same weather. I maintain that runners who trained in the weather that shows up on race day have an advantage. The more extreme the weather is, the greater the advantage for having trained in it.
At Boston, I had a HUGE advantage over everyone who let rain drive them indoors to run on a dreadmill. Among other things, I knew precisely what I wanted to wear in that weather. No floppy plastic bags for me.8 -
@shanaber Nope, apparently tea doesn't start smelling like tea until it's dried and heated. On trees, they smell like trees.
5.3-10.3k, total-13.3k, May goal 100k
Had a strange run. Started out slow, like uncomprehensibly slow. And for some reason kept speeding up, even though I *felt* like I was on the same effort level.
Was going to pull the plug at 7k and take a bus home, but lo and behold I'd just missed the last bus. So trotted the 3k back, making a little over 10k.6 -
lporter229 wrote: »I've been stalking the weather forecast for Sunday. So far it looks to be pretty good. Low 50s at the start then warming up to the high 70s, but hopefully I will be done before then. There is a chance of thunderstorms later in the day which worries me because out weather people often miss the timing on those kinds of things. Oh well, I will be running either way. Can hardly complain after what @MobyCarp dealt with in Boston and @MNLittleFinn and @7Lenny7 at Zumbro, right?
Another runner told me the weather is a neutral factor. On race day, everyone gets the same weather. I maintain that runners who trained in the weather that shows up on race day have an advantage. The more extreme the weather is, the greater the advantage for having trained in it.
At Boston, I had a HUGE advantage over everyone who let rain drive them indoors to run on a dreadmill. Among other things, I knew precisely what I wanted to wear in that weather. No floppy plastic bags for me.
Exactly. The importance of this cannot be overstated, particularly at the extremes. If you only run when it's comfortable to do so, you'll have a tough time on race day when it's not comfortable conditions. Seek out the hot, cold, rain and snow (but maybe avoid lightning, tornadoes and hurricanes) and you'll be a better, tougher runner.
At Zumbro many saw the weather as a negative but I loved, loved, LOVED it! Except for that extreme wind, which really only affected a small part of the course, the weather was damn near perfect for me because I trained in similar weather all winter. I would be ecstatic to be able to run in those same conditions again, yet a fair amount of the racers would probably stay home. I can point to several reasons for my DNF, but the weather was not one of them, at least not directly.
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We had thunderstorms this morning so no run for me. I just did a little extra yoga instead. Now I have to decide if I want to do today's run this afternoon after work when it is supposed to be 90F or do it tomorrow after work when it is supposed to be 74F. There is supposed to be rain again in the morning. At least my shoes finally came in!
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lporter229 wrote: »I've been stalking the weather forecast for Sunday. So far it looks to be pretty good. Low 50s at the start then warming up to the high 70s, but hopefully I will be done before then. There is a chance of thunderstorms later in the day which worries me because out weather people often miss the timing on those kinds of things. Oh well, I will be running either way. Can hardly complain after what @MobyCarp dealt with in Boston and @MNLittleFinn and @7Lenny7 at Zumbro, right?
Another runner told me the weather is a neutral factor. On race day, everyone gets the same weather. I maintain that runners who trained in the weather that shows up on race day have an advantage. The more extreme the weather is, the greater the advantage for having trained in it.
At Boston, I had a HUGE advantage over everyone who let rain drive them indoors to run on a dreadmill. Among other things, I knew precisely what I wanted to wear in that weather. No floppy plastic bags for me.
Of course this only matters if you are competing with the other runners. I have no delusions of placing in my age group in this large race, so my only goal is to have fun running it. It's likely to be a lot more fun if it's not thunder storming.
But to your point, I totally agree. Although it wasn't very extreme, I know the heat at Boston affected some runners last year (2017). I had made a point of doing some of my training runs in the mid afternoon because I hadn't been acclimated to the heat after training through the winter. I am pretty sure that was a wise move because, even though I wasn't running for a PR and was nearly 15 minutes slower than my qualifying time, I still finished over 6000 spots ahead of where I started.2 -
@PastorVincent it sounds like you have a great plan for race day!
@juliet3455 I think sand is my least favorite surface to run on. Mud I like, loose sand I despise. It sounds like you did a great job executing on race day, given your undertraining. Congrats on the AG finish!
@lporter229 have a great race on Sunday!3 -
I maintain that runners who trained in the weather that shows up on race day have an advantage. The more extreme the weather is, the greater the advantage for having trained in it.
Truth. I ran my first HM the day before Boston and we got the same weather including the ridiculous wind. We ran dead into the teeth of a steady 20 mph wind with much stronger gusts for the closing 7 miles.
I trained in cold and rain and wasn't bothered by them. Wind, however, is my nemesis. I never do anything in the wind and hate it with a passion. Safe to say that it totally killed my race. I didn't prepare properly (I wore baggier rain gear, etc.) and had no idea how to adapt to the environment (didn't even think of a drafting strategy, nor had any clue how to adjust my pacing to account for the tail/head winds out and back).
I hated every minute into the headwind on the return and stopped trying/caring by mile 10. I only finished the race because I had to get back to my car anyway!2 -
lporter229 wrote: »lporter229 wrote: »I've been stalking the weather forecast for Sunday. So far it looks to be pretty good. Low 50s at the start then warming up to the high 70s, but hopefully I will be done before then. There is a chance of thunderstorms later in the day which worries me because out weather people often miss the timing on those kinds of things. Oh well, I will be running either way. Can hardly complain after what @MobyCarp dealt with in Boston and @MNLittleFinn and @7Lenny7 at Zumbro, right?
Another runner told me the weather is a neutral factor. On race day, everyone gets the same weather. I maintain that runners who trained in the weather that shows up on race day have an advantage. The more extreme the weather is, the greater the advantage for having trained in it.
At Boston, I had a HUGE advantage over everyone who let rain drive them indoors to run on a dreadmill. Among other things, I knew precisely what I wanted to wear in that weather. No floppy plastic bags for me.
Of course this only matters if you are competing with the other runners. I have no delusions of placing in my age group in this large race, so my only goal is to have fun running it. It's likely to be a lot more fun if it's not thunder storming.
But to your point, I totally agree. Although it wasn't very extreme, I know the heat at Boston affected some runners last year (2017). I had made a point of doing some of my training runs in the mid afternoon because I hadn't been acclimated to the heat after training through the winter. I am pretty sure that was a wise move because, even though I wasn't running for a PR and was nearly 15 minutes slower than my qualifying time, I still finished over 6000 spots ahead of where I started.
I think it matters even if you're not competing with others. Attitude is everything and if you've trained in the same terrible conditions as race day, then you can draw on that experience, be confident in your ability to perform, and go about the race with a better attitude.
Now if you try to train in terrible conditions but quit halfway through the run and go home, that of course wouldn't be a confidence booster.2 -
I booked my room for Boston 2019 today. The availability and price is better the day Marathon Tours opens registration than it will be in mid-September after people know they beat the cutoff.
So, I'm committed. I will be there to watch my sister run the BAA 5K (assuming she's as fast at the keyboard as she was this year), and I'll be there to run the Boston Marathon for the fourth time (assuming I avoid injury and the cutoff is less than 26:17.)12 -
this whole not running is a struggle. 2 more days and i'll be running 13.1
i mathed poorly goal is 150 not 200
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Date Miles today - Miles for May
5/1 8 miles - 8
5/2 REST DAY
5/3 8 miles - 16
Races this year
Oak Barrel Half Marathon - 4/7/18 -- 1:47:24
Upcoming races:
None at the moment
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@mbaker566 You have 4 rest days before a half marathon? Wow. I remember my first HM training program had me run 4 days the week before, an easy 3 miles each day. The easy 3's felt like I just got started before I had to stop, and I only had one full day of rest before the half. And that was a program designed to get people who had never run the distance up to completing a half marathon. It was more conservative than I needed to be for my 2nd and later half marathons.3
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Ok, back in after a crazy month. I've gotten out of my running habit. So I'll start slow again.
30 miles for the month.
Bossymom15
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05/01/18 - 1/2 mile walk
05/02/18 - 1 mile walk + 6.6 mile easy run
05/03/18 - 1.3 mile walk
Big Hairy Audacious Goal: Sub 4 hours in Pittsburgh 2018!
Official Marathon PR: 4:11:28
Next Races (more as I find them):
05/05/18 - Runner of Steel 5k
05/06/18 - Pittsburgh Marathon - aiming for sub four hours.
05/12/18 - Glacier Ridge 50k Trail Ultra (I must hate myself)
2020 - Disney World Dopey! (if can raise funds)
Walks do not count against taper right?
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Well, not the most auspicious start to May, but I'm not going to let it throw me! Last night I crashed really hard and woke up sore and grumpy. It could be a lot of things: jumping back into running too fast, mental health stuff with starting to work from home and money being tight, not giving myself enough time to recover from donating blood Tuesday morning, or a combo. Either way, I'm thinking about dropping my third day of running for the time being. I was running three days a week irregularly last year but with half the distance. I'm possibly being way too conservative and would love to hear what any of you more experienced folks think (I know bottom line I have to trust myself, but it's so hard sometimes!). I'd plan on the week of the 14th as a "deload" and then add a third day the week of the 28th.
5/1 Tu - 0:27:21 - 2.41 miles (ETA: This was before donating blood, not after - sorry that was unclear)
5/2 We - Lift
5/3 Th
5/4 Fr - Lift
5/5 Sa - 3 miles
5/6 Su
5/7 Mo - Lift
5/8 Tu - 2.5 miles
5/9 We - Lift
5/10 Th
5/11 Fr - Lift
5/12 Sa - 3.4 miles
5/13 Su
5/14 Mo - Lift
5/15 Tu - 2.5 miles
5/16 We - Lift
5/17 Th
5/18 Fr - Lift
5/19 Sa - 2.5 miles
5/20 Su
5/21 Mo - Lift
5/22 Tu - 2.7 miles
5/23 We - Lift
5/24 Th
5/25 Fr - Lift
5/26 Sa - 3.8 miles
5/27 Su
5/28 Mo - Lift
5/29 Tu - 2.2 miles
5/30 We - Lift
5/31 Th - 2.2 miles
TOTALS: 27.21 miles1 -
@PastorVincent - You can walk as much as you like during taper. Only running is restricted. The sports doc many of my club members go to is a big fan of 2 mile walks on rest days and recovery days. (Not that I do everything he says; he's really down on running Dedham 13 days after running Boston, and I've done that 2 years in a row.)0
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Weather. We have sun/heat. I'm used to that. I have run during haboobs. I wouldn't necessarily recommend that. Wind and sand in the eye kinda stinks (and where is this sand coming from in the concrete desert?!?!)0
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MegaMooseEsq wrote: »Well, not the most auspicious start to May, but I'm not going to let it throw me! Last night I crashed really hard and woke up sore and grumpy. It could be a lot of things: jumping back into running too fast, mental health stuff with starting to work from home and money being tight, not giving myself enough time to recover from donating blood Tuesday morning, or a combo. Either way, I'm thinking about dropping my third day of running for the time being. I was running three days a week irregularly last year but with half the distance. I'm possibly being way too conservative and would love to hear what any of you more experienced folks think (I know bottom line I have to trust myself, but it's so hard sometimes!). I'd plan on the week of the 14th as a "deload" and then add a third day the week of the 28th.
5/1 Tu - 0:27:21 - 2.41 miles
While all of the stuff you mention could contribute to a bad run, I'd vote for "Running after Donating Blood the Same Day" as the biggest contributing factor. The Red Cross and every serious runner I've heard talk about it agree that this is not a good idea.
The effect of donating blood on running isn't very noticeable for easy running in the following days, but I've seen it degrade race performance 3 days after a donation. That was the episode that got my attention and made me think about post-donation running performance. Later, my doctor (not a sports doc) advised me not to donate blood within 2 weeks of a race. I don't know how much of that was general advice applicable to everyone, and how much was based on my specific fitness and medical condition.1 -
MegaMooseEsq wrote: »Well, not the most auspicious start to May, but I'm not going to let it throw me! Last night I crashed really hard and woke up sore and grumpy. It could be a lot of things: jumping back into running too fast, mental health stuff with starting to work from home and money being tight, not giving myself enough time to recover from donating blood Tuesday morning, or a combo. Either way, I'm thinking about dropping my third day of running for the time being. I was running three days a week irregularly last year but with half the distance. I'm possibly being way too conservative and would love to hear what any of you more experienced folks think (I know bottom line I have to trust myself, but it's so hard sometimes!). I'd plan on the week of the 14th as a "deload" and then add a third day the week of the 28th.
5/1 Tu - 0:27:21 - 2.41 miles
While all of the stuff you mention could contribute to a bad run, I'd vote for "Running after Donating Blood the Same Day" as the biggest contributing factor. The Red Cross and every serious runner I've heard talk about it agree that this is not a good idea.
The effect of donating blood on running isn't very noticeable for easy running in the following days, but I've seen it degrade race performance 3 days after a donation. That was the episode that got my attention and made me think about post-donation running performance. Later, my doctor (not a sports doc) advised me not to donate blood within 2 weeks of a race. I don't know how much of that was general advice applicable to everyone, and how much was based on my specific fitness and medical condition.
See... I just knew there was a benefit somewhere to being medically disqualified from donating blood (because of the potential "mad cow disease" - not joking).1 -
MegaMooseEsq wrote: »Well, not the most auspicious start to May, but I'm not going to let it throw me! Last night I crashed really hard and woke up sore and grumpy. It could be a lot of things: jumping back into running too fast, mental health stuff with starting to work from home and money being tight, not giving myself enough time to recover from donating blood Tuesday morning, or a combo. Either way, I'm thinking about dropping my third day of running for the time being. I was running three days a week irregularly last year but with half the distance. I'm possibly being way too conservative and would love to hear what any of you more experienced folks think (I know bottom line I have to trust myself, but it's so hard sometimes!). I'd plan on the week of the 14th as a "deload" and then add a third day the week of the 28th.
5/1 Tu - 0:27:21 - 2.41 miles
While all of the stuff you mention could contribute to a bad run, I'd vote for "Running after Donating Blood the Same Day" as the biggest contributing factor. The Red Cross and every serious runner I've heard talk about it agree that this is not a good idea.
The effect of donating blood on running isn't very noticeable for easy running in the following days, but I've seen it degrade race performance 3 days after a donation. That was the episode that got my attention and made me think about post-donation running performance. Later, my doctor (not a sports doc) advised me not to donate blood within 2 weeks of a race. I don't know how much of that was general advice applicable to everyone, and how much was based on my specific fitness and medical condition.
Oh yeah, I can absolutely see that. I actually ran in the morning before giving blood, then waited a little over 24 hours before lifting around noon of the next day, but my body might still be upset about the combo.midwesterner85 wrote: »
See... I just knew there was a benefit somewhere to being medically disqualified from donating blood (because of the potential "mad cow disease" - not joking).
I believe you! I was disqualified for many years before the mad cow restriction period was changed. Then I was disqualified because of a bisexual ex-boyfriend, but that was changed not to long ago, too.0 -
@MobyCarp I am not following a plan this time around but last 3 times it had a mile a couple of times prior to it. but I taught 2 hours of aerial yoga yesterday, an hour tonight. I'll probably do a mile tomorrow to shake out. Also, running with an autoimmune that can flare at any time so i try to minimize all activity the week before because there is nothing like a long run when you feel like you have the flu and your skin is burning off
tldr?: lots of excuses1 -
@MobyCarp I am not following a plan this time around but last 3 times it had a mile a couple of times prior to it. but I taught 2 hours of aerial yoga yesterday, an hour tonight. I'll probably do a mile tomorrow to shake out. Also, running with an autoimmune that can flare at any time so i try to minimize all activity the week before because there is nothing like a long run when you feel like you have the flu and your skin is burning off
tldr?: lots of excuses
Actually, pretty good excuses. In the context of everything else you're doing, no running other than the shake down run makes sense.1 -
@MobyCarp I am not following a plan this time around but last 3 times it had a mile a couple of times prior to it. but I taught 2 hours of aerial yoga yesterday, an hour tonight. I'll probably do a mile tomorrow to shake out. Also, running with an autoimmune that can flare at any time so i try to minimize all activity the week before because there is nothing like a long run when you feel like you have the flu and your skin is burning off
tldr?: lots of excuses
Actually, pretty good excuses. In the context of everything else you're doing, no running other than the shake down run makes sense.
well if you say they are good excuses, i feel better about them. 0 -
The official marathon forecast is up. It is not bad, edging towards too warm though for a real PR attempt.
There is a chance of a "light cool rain" - which probably be welcome. Glad I have been running in the rain a bunch since this race last year, unlike prior years. If nothing else it removes the negative attitude impact knowing it is not a big deal.
My wave probably will not get going till 7:30 or 7:45 at the earliest so that puts my finish around noon, and my wife around 1:30 at the earliest (not only will she be slower, but her wave will start later too).
Anyone else running Pittsburgh this Sunday?
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I need advice from the previous injured. My injured thread seems dead, I'm all alone over thare. Which is a good thing.
Ok. I had ITBS surgery (hip) and it's been killing me this week. I think I over did it walking hills this last weekend. I emailed the PA, honestly included my uphill activity.
My reply from him was:
"Keep doing the stretches and exercises you know to do from the rehab routine, and this should just sort itself out. If pain increases, despite the stretching daily and twice weekly strenghtening along with 5 days weekly aerobic activity, call us back for a recheck sooner than you are already scheduled.
Thanks"
"5 days aerobic activity"? FIVE? I'm at zero. Okay I need to do the PT, work gets in the way and I have slacked. I can fix that.
Do I wait until I am up to 5 days of aerobic activity with out increased pain before I decide I need to be seen? So? Run (one minute, two minute...) through this? Suck it up?
I don't go back until July 23.2 -
MegaMooseEsq wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »
See... I just knew there was a benefit somewhere to being medically disqualified from donating blood (because of the potential "mad cow disease" - not joking).
I believe you! I was disqualified for many years before the mad cow restriction period was changed. Then I was disqualified because of a bisexual ex-boyfriend, but that was changed not to long ago, too.
Not sure about you, but there is no "restriction period" in my case - it is a lifetime ban because I took beef insulin a very long time ago.0 -
personally, i'd commit to the PT for 5 days, then evaluate but i'm a suck it up sorta girl1
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I need advice from the previous injured. My injured thread seems dead, I'm all alone over thare. Which is a good thing.
Ok. I had ITBS surgery (hip) and it's been killing me this week. I think I over did it walking hills this last weekend. I emailed the PA, honestly included my uphill activity.
My reply from him was:
"Keep doing the stretches and exercises you know to do from the rehab routine, and this should just sort itself out. If pain increases, despite the stretching daily and twice weekly strenghtening along with 5 days weekly aerobic activity, call us back for a recheck sooner than you are already scheduled.
Thanks"
"5 days aerobic activity"? FIVE? I'm at zero. Okay I need to do the PT, work gets in the way and I have slacked. I can fix that.
Do I wait until I am up to 5 days of aerobic activity with out increased pain before I decide I need to be seen? So? Run (one minute, two minute...) through this? Suck it up?
I don't go back until July 23.
I is no doc! However, since you have yet to follow the PT's orders, I would first try to do with they said to do before I did anything else. Listen to your body the whole time, if it seems like something is wrong as you ramp up to the directions, stop and call them again.
Again, I is no doc! I do not even play one on TV! So YMMV, IMO, and ETC.
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