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How do you feel about fasting?
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If I were going to fast (intermittent or otherwise) I would do it for reasons other than weight/hunger management though don't doubt its benefit for either.
Dr Valter Longo, PhD is a pretty interesting guy. His book The Longevity Diet is available as are several of his videos/interviews on youtube. He is a biogerentologist and Director of the USC Longevity Institute.6 -
I have trouble eating enough calories without being sickeningly full within that window.0
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LeeshaSeal wrote: »IF helps with calorie restriction only. It has no specific health benefits. If you log your intake adequently and exercise, and you’re at or below your daily calories, IF isn’t needed. I tried IF (16:8 ratio) awhile back and I found I was eating MORE later because I felt famished. Eating 3 times a day has eliminated that.
That is a false statement. The benefits are numerous and there studies and research to prove it, which include weight loss, reducing inflammation, increasing muscle, reducing/eliminating type 2 diabetes, preventing cancer and alzheimers, to name a few. The 2016 Nobel Prize for Medicine went to a person that identified the process of Autophagy, which happens during a fasted-state. It's the process of your body cleaning out cellular junk and broken down proteins. Also, you were probably hungry because you were consuming something that released insulin and triggered digestion. It could have even been lemon in your water.
I actually think this is more of a false statement. you can't outrun thermodynamics. 2500 cals in your eating window is 2500 cals regardless. also autophogy and sparked more so by extended caloric restriction and deprivation, not fasting. if fasting helps you to create a deficit, then yes, its helping, but not causing. I would love to see those studies that prove it from credible legit sources. because I have credible proven meta analysis studies and articles on hand to negate a "10 person study" or a bodybuilding .com article.....
fasting does not promote weightless, caloric deficits do. I've been a test subject myself just to disprove people.19 -
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LeeshaSeal wrote: »erinpatsy - science evolves as it does in this way. Fasting allows you to regulate your fat storage and appetite control hormones, which do indeed help eliminate type 2 diabetes. I am not a doctor either but I have books just to the left of my hand that are written by doctors that cite those benefits.
You cannot eliminate t2 diabetes. If a doctor in a book tells you that, he is doing that for one reason Only. To sell you that book.
I'm also pretty sure I know which doctor you're talking about. And Fung is what is commonly known as a quack.18 -
pinggolfer96 wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »IF helps with calorie restriction only. It has no specific health benefits. If you log your intake adequently and exercise, and you’re at or below your daily calories, IF isn’t needed. I tried IF (16:8 ratio) awhile back and I found I was eating MORE later because I felt famished. Eating 3 times a day has eliminated that.
That is a false statement. The benefits are numerous and there studies and research to prove it, which include weight loss, reducing inflammation, increasing muscle, reducing/eliminating type 2 diabetes, preventing cancer and alzheimers, to name a few. The 2016 Nobel Prize for Medicine went to a person that identified the process of Autophagy, which happens during a fasted-state. It's the process of your body cleaning out cellular junk and broken down proteins. Also, you were probably hungry because you were consuming something that released insulin and triggered digestion. It could have even been lemon in your water.
I actually think this is more of a false statement. you can't outrun thermodynamics. 2500 cals in your eating window is 2500 cals regardless. also autophogy and sparked more so by extended caloric restriction and deprivation, not fasting. if fasting helps you to create a deficit, then yes, its helping, but not causing. I would love to see those studies that prove it from credible legit sources. because I have credible proven meta analysis studies and articles on hand to negate a "10 person study" or a bodybuilding .com article.....
fasting does not promote weightless, caloric deficits do. I've been a test subject myself just to disprove people.
The one time I looked for autophagy after people touted it as this amazing thing that's going to save your life thanks to fasting, I have not found any sources besides, I think, studies done in worms. That's also a problem.11 -
LeeshaSeal wrote: »I have read different articles and different ideas about fasting and intermittent fasting. I think within reason it can be a great way to cleanse the body and to "reset" your mechanisms. I also think it can be dangerous. What are your thoughts?
Do it because you enjoy doing that diet, not because of the so-called benefits. Every diet have their pro's and cons. Your goal is to be at a caloric deficit (if you want to lose weight), then you chose whatever diet helps you stick with that deficit. Simple as that. What's the point of doing a diet if you don't enjoy it, but do it based on the so-called benefits??? What usually ends up happening is that people end up binging again.
The IF community doesn't believe it to be diet but a lifestyle
Problem is people are cultish when it comes to diets, wheter it's the keto community, the IF community or any diet community for that matter, it's all the same, they behave the same way and spread bs the same way. Caloric deficit is all that matters in the end. Doing IF won't give you an advantage over any other diet for weight loss, no diet is the best diet to lose weight and as I stated previously, if you hate doing IF, there is no point in doing IF when there are other countless ways to lose ways to lose weight. At the end of the day, the one and only true constant is that you need to be at a caloric deficit.
By the way, I have been doing bulking and cutting for 5 years now, I have tried different diets (including IF) just for experiment and I can tell you that not one diet stood out for me, they all gave me the same results with the same weight loss rate at the same number of calories (I usually cut at 2400 calories).
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If I were going to fast (intermittent or otherwise) I would do it for reasons other than weight/hunger management though don't doubt its benefit for either.
Dr Valter Longo, PhD is a pretty interesting guy. His book The Longevity Diet is available as are several of his videos/interviews on youtube. He is a biogerentologist and Director of the USC Longevity Institute.
Thank you for mentioning the book. I'm going to look that up.
Longevity does increase in animas who practice some calorie restriction. I've seen some work that shows that calorie restriction just at certain times (fasting) provides some benefits too.
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stevencloser wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »erinpatsy - science evolves as it does in this way. Fasting allows you to regulate your fat storage and appetite control hormones, which do indeed help eliminate type 2 diabetes. I am not a doctor either but I have books just to the left of my hand that are written by doctors that cite those benefits.
You cannot eliminate t2 diabetes. If a doctor in a book tells you that, he is doing that for one reason Only. To sell you that book.
I'm also pretty sure I know which doctor you're talking about. And Fung is what is commonly known as a quack.
It is possible to completely reverse T2D. If you go back to the lifestyle that caused it, it will return. In the meantime, it is quite doable for many to normalize insulin and blood glucose levels - to be absent of disease.10 -
LeeshaSeal wrote: »IF helps with calorie restriction only. It has no specific health benefits. If you log your intake adequently and exercise, and you’re at or below your daily calories, IF isn’t needed. I tried IF (16:8 ratio) awhile back and I found I was eating MORE later because I felt famished. Eating 3 times a day has eliminated that.
That is a false statement. The benefits are numerous and there studies and research to prove it, which include weight loss, reducing inflammation, increasing muscle, reducing/eliminating type 2 diabetes, preventing cancer and alzheimers, to name a few. The 2016 Nobel Prize for Medicine went to a person that identified the process of Autophagy, which happens during a fasted-state. It's the process of your body cleaning out cellular junk and broken down proteins. Also, you were probably hungry because you were consuming something that released insulin and triggered digestion. It could have even been lemon in your water.
People use IF to gain, lose or maintain weight. If IF causes weight loss on its own (irrespective of a calorie deficit) how do you explain those people??7 -
I don't enjoy being hungry. Pass.6
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rickdkitson wrote: »Since the feeling of being satisfied is triggered by a full stomach, I will about once every 6 months fast for a 36 hour period. I’ll have a light supper then fast the entire next day and on the third day have a light breakfast. I might have a small glass of juice on the fasting day but otherwise only water (and coffee lol)
It shrinks my stomach, and allows me to be satisfied on less food intake. The missing calories for one day don’t make much of a difference but the longer term reduction is what helps.
I have read a lot of different studies on fasting and think it all comes down to reduced calories overall. However since everyone’s metabolism is different some people may find reducing cravings from an IF regime and others may find that their cravings are reduced by a grazing type of eating plan. Some people may also find the time limits on when to eat also help on their cravings, they get used to not being able to eat at certain times and are not hungry at those times because their bodies are used to not eating then. It’s like only being hungry for breakfast foods at breakfast time, it is just what you are used to having then. If IF it works for you then do it.
Flushing toxins is just a lot of BS. Our bodies are already great at eliminating waste and all we need to keep that part functioning is eat sufficient insoluble fibre, what my parents called roughage, and drink lots of water to keep the process moving along so to speak.
I find this comment really helpful. In that what works for some won’t work for all. For some people fasting works great. I really enjoy it. For others not so much. I have tried the grazing lifestyle and that did not work for me. I found myself constantly wanting to eat, because I wasn’t used to constantly eating. Thus, constantly going over calories. However, I do think if you choose to do IF, you still need to watch your calorie intake. Because it would be very easy to pack in way too much food in that eight hours and end up gaining.0 -
Muscleflex79 wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »IF helps with calorie restriction only. It has no specific health benefits. If you log your intake adequently and exercise, and you’re at or below your daily calories, IF isn’t needed. I tried IF (16:8 ratio) awhile back and I found I was eating MORE later because I felt famished. Eating 3 times a day has eliminated that.
That is a false statement. The benefits are numerous and there studies and research to prove it, which include weight loss, reducing inflammation, increasing muscle, reducing/eliminating type 2 diabetes, preventing cancer and alzheimers, to name a few. The 2016 Nobel Prize for Medicine went to a person that identified the process of Autophagy, which happens during a fasted-state. It's the process of your body cleaning out cellular junk and broken down proteins. Also, you were probably hungry because you were consuming something that released insulin and triggered digestion. It could have even been lemon in your water.
People use IF to gain, lose or maintain weight. If IF causes weight loss on its own (irrespective of a calorie deficit) how do you explain those people??
Exactly.
I'll never understand why people spread misinformation without thinking it all the way through. Like if IF causes weight loss without a calorie deficit, how could someone use it to maintain their weight? ( Lots of people do)
If keto causes people to lose weight without a calorie deficit, how do people gain weight on it? Wouldn't they just shrivel up and die of starvation then?
It's because any way of eating or dieting will actually work as long as the person creates a calorie deficit. There's no magic involved, just a calorie deficit.11 -
And I'd also love to hear how IF magically causes people to gain muscle.11
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LeeshaSeal wrote: »I have read different articles and different ideas about fasting and intermittent fasting. I think within reason it can be a great way to cleanse the body and to "reset" your mechanisms. I also think it can be dangerous. What are your thoughts?
Do it because you enjoy doing that diet, not because of the so-called benefits. Every diet have their pro's and cons. Your goal is to be at a caloric deficit (if you want to lose weight), then you chose whatever diet helps you stick with that deficit. Simple as that. What's the point of doing a diet if you don't enjoy it, but do it based on the so-called benefits??? What usually ends up happening is that people end up binging again.
The IF community doesn't believe it to be diet but a lifestyle
Problem is people are cultish when it comes to diets, wheter it's the keto community, the IF community or any diet community for that matter, it's all the same, they behave the same way and spread bs the same way. Caloric deficit is all that matters in the end. Doing IF won't give you an advantage over any other diet for weight loss, no diet is the best diet to lose weight and as I stated previously, if you hate doing IF, there is no point in doing IF when there are other countless ways to lose ways to lose weight. At the end of the day, the one and only true constant is that you need to be at a caloric deficit.
By the way, I have been doing bulking and cutting for 5 years now, I have tried different diets (including IF) just for experiment and I can tell you that not one diet stood out for me, they all gave me the same results with the same weight loss rate at the same number of calories (I usually cut at 2400 calories).
I agree. It's easy to get obsessed. And that's awesome that you found what works for you! What truly appeals to me regarding IF is that so many people maintain their loss. It becomes second nature to them. We'll see. I'm going to give it a good 6 months.4 -
MelanieCN77 wrote: »I follow the 8:16 plan in that I'm asleep for 8 and allow myself to eat the other 16.
I follow the 12:12 plan. I am done eating at 8PM and I "break the fast" at 8AM, and sometimes later than that. I don't believe in fasting for any other reason that for medical tests or procedures. I don't eat a big breakfast but I do need to eat in the morning to function properly. But to each its own.4 -
stevencloser wrote: »pinggolfer96 wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »IF helps with calorie restriction only. It has no specific health benefits. If you log your intake adequently and exercise, and you’re at or below your daily calories, IF isn’t needed. I tried IF (16:8 ratio) awhile back and I found I was eating MORE later because I felt famished. Eating 3 times a day has eliminated that.
That is a false statement. The benefits are numerous and there studies and research to prove it, which include weight loss, reducing inflammation, increasing muscle, reducing/eliminating type 2 diabetes, preventing cancer and alzheimers, to name a few. The 2016 Nobel Prize for Medicine went to a person that identified the process of Autophagy, which happens during a fasted-state. It's the process of your body cleaning out cellular junk and broken down proteins. Also, you were probably hungry because you were consuming something that released insulin and triggered digestion. It could have even been lemon in your water.
I actually think this is more of a false statement. you can't outrun thermodynamics. 2500 cals in your eating window is 2500 cals regardless. also autophogy and sparked more so by extended caloric restriction and deprivation, not fasting. if fasting helps you to create a deficit, then yes, its helping, but not causing. I would love to see those studies that prove it from credible legit sources. because I have credible proven meta analysis studies and articles on hand to negate a "10 person study" or a bodybuilding .com article.....
fasting does not promote weightless, caloric deficits do. I've been a test subject myself just to disprove people.
The one time I looked for autophagy after people touted it as this amazing thing that's going to save your life thanks to fasting, I have not found any sources besides, I think, studies done in worms. That's also a problem.
I don't think you looked very hard. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3106288/
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pinggolfer96 wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »IF helps with calorie restriction only. It has no specific health benefits. If you log your intake adequently and exercise, and you’re at or below your daily calories, IF isn’t needed. I tried IF (16:8 ratio) awhile back and I found I was eating MORE later because I felt famished. Eating 3 times a day has eliminated that.
That is a false statement. The benefits are numerous and there studies and research to prove it, which include weight loss, reducing inflammation, increasing muscle, reducing/eliminating type 2 diabetes, preventing cancer and alzheimers, to name a few. The 2016 Nobel Prize for Medicine went to a person that identified the process of Autophagy, which happens during a fasted-state. It's the process of your body cleaning out cellular junk and broken down proteins. Also, you were probably hungry because you were consuming something that released insulin and triggered digestion. It could have even been lemon in your water.
I actually think this is more of a false statement. you can't outrun thermodynamics. 2500 cals in your eating window is 2500 cals regardless. also autophogy and sparked more so by extended caloric restriction and deprivation, not fasting. if fasting helps you to create a deficit, then yes, its helping, but not causing. I would love to see those studies that prove it from credible legit sources. because I have credible proven meta analysis studies and articles on hand to negate a "10 person study" or a bodybuilding .com article.....
fasting does not promote weightless, caloric deficits do. I've been a test subject myself just to disprove people.
Fasting most certainly starts autophagy. Here is one link to check out: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3106288/9 -
LeeshaSeal wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »pinggolfer96 wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »IF helps with calorie restriction only. It has no specific health benefits. If you log your intake adequently and exercise, and you’re at or below your daily calories, IF isn’t needed. I tried IF (16:8 ratio) awhile back and I found I was eating MORE later because I felt famished. Eating 3 times a day has eliminated that.
That is a false statement. The benefits are numerous and there studies and research to prove it, which include weight loss, reducing inflammation, increasing muscle, reducing/eliminating type 2 diabetes, preventing cancer and alzheimers, to name a few. The 2016 Nobel Prize for Medicine went to a person that identified the process of Autophagy, which happens during a fasted-state. It's the process of your body cleaning out cellular junk and broken down proteins. Also, you were probably hungry because you were consuming something that released insulin and triggered digestion. It could have even been lemon in your water.
I actually think this is more of a false statement. you can't outrun thermodynamics. 2500 cals in your eating window is 2500 cals regardless. also autophogy and sparked more so by extended caloric restriction and deprivation, not fasting. if fasting helps you to create a deficit, then yes, its helping, but not causing. I would love to see those studies that prove it from credible legit sources. because I have credible proven meta analysis studies and articles on hand to negate a "10 person study" or a bodybuilding .com article.....
fasting does not promote weightless, caloric deficits do. I've been a test subject myself just to disprove people.
The one time I looked for autophagy after people touted it as this amazing thing that's going to save your life thanks to fasting, I have not found any sources besides, I think, studies done in worms. That's also a problem.
I don't think you looked very hard. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3106288/
So mice, then.
That changes nothing.9 -
Not nearly as good as I feel about eating!3
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