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janejellyroll wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »Muscleflex79 wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »Muscleflex79 wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »pinggolfer96 wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »IF helps with calorie restriction only. It has no specific health benefits. If you log your intake adequently and exercise, and you’re at or below your daily calories, IF isn’t needed. I tried IF (16:8 ratio) awhile back and I found I was eating MORE later because I felt famished. Eating 3 times a day has eliminated that.
That is a false statement. The benefits are numerous and there studies and research to prove it, which include weight loss, reducing inflammation, increasing muscle, reducing/eliminating type 2 diabetes, preventing cancer and alzheimers, to name a few. The 2016 Nobel Prize for Medicine went to a person that identified the process of Autophagy, which happens during a fasted-state. It's the process of your body cleaning out cellular junk and broken down proteins. Also, you were probably hungry because you were consuming something that released insulin and triggered digestion. It could have even been lemon in your water.
I actually think this is more of a false statement. you can't outrun thermodynamics. 2500 cals in your eating window is 2500 cals regardless. also autophogy and sparked more so by extended caloric restriction and deprivation, not fasting. if fasting helps you to create a deficit, then yes, its helping, but not causing. I would love to see those studies that prove it from credible legit sources. because I have credible proven meta analysis studies and articles on hand to negate a "10 person study" or a bodybuilding .com article.....
fasting does not promote weightless, caloric deficits do. I've been a test subject myself just to disprove people.
The one time I looked for autophagy after people touted it as this amazing thing that's going to save your life thanks to fasting, I have not found any sources besides, I think, studies done in worms. That's also a problem.
I don't think you looked very hard. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3106288/
From your link: "Our data lead us to speculate that sporadic fasting might represent a simple, safe and inexpensive means to promote this potentially therapeutic neuronal response."
Even the study authors don't think they've demonstrated what you seem to claim they have. They're just speculating.
And the study doesn't demonstrate anything about beneficial effects of autophagy, just suggests the speculation that "sporadic fasting" could enable neuronal autophagy, contrary to current "dogma" ("dogma" = widely held opinions that you disagree with). Also, unless they have their own special definition of "sporadic," even their "speculation" doesn't support IF on a regular, daily basis ("regular, daily" is not "sporadic" (occasional, irregular).
As I've replied to other posters, the studies are relatively new (within the last 10 years). They have to start somewhere but their "speculations" are pretty promising. And, I posted one example that was easily found. It's not the only information out there. I'm not sure where your dogma comment is coming from but if it's because I'm discussing ideas that go against the grain, then okay. I prefer to be inspired by ideas that may prevent cancer and alzheimers - we aren't successfully winning that battle yet.
On a personal note, I've done CI/CO for nearly 2 decades. I'm 40 now and had my last baby at 38 and it is NOT working for me. I've logged in every day since January and I am personally not having success. I am trying something else and have been keeping my "friends" updated.
what do you mean when you say CICO doesn't work for you? you believe you are eating at a calorie SURPLUS now and losing weight????
I'm saying that the traditional method of calorie counting and restriction isn't working for me. My hope is that my body starts using its energy differently. BUT I don't intend to consume carte blanche either.
That's like saying I hope my car starts running on water instead of gasoline.
The human body has established metabolic pathways. Physiology is what it is. Changing what time you eat doesn't somehow alter your metabolic pathways or change your physiology and magically make your body do something it isn't made to do, despite whatever woo Fung and his ilk might dream up.
That's not helpful at all and thank you for nit-picking my conversations. I am using a method that will allow me to burn fat for energy after it has depleted it's immediate energy store from food. I guess the joke is on me when I'm starving and still overweight. Why don't you explain "established metabolic pathways" and the corresponding physiology? And maybe provide articles outside of weightlifting online.
So you're not eating for X hours, in that time your body will indeed use it's stores to make up for the energy missing.
Where your train of thought ends is what happens when you do eat again. You're eating a whole day's worth of food in a short time span. Far more than you'd usually eat.
By your insulin theory, that leads to a long spike in insulin and fat gain.
In reality, it's simply at that moment a calorie surplus, excess gets stores and in need used again. It's literally not any different than depositing 1000 bucks into your bank account in one go at the end of the month vs. In 10 dollar increments. I.e. no difference whatsoever in the long run.
I have to put this thread down for the rest of the work day but I will certainly come back. However, you are incorrect in assessing my eating habits. I have actually found that I have more control when I eat and that I am craving better quality foods. Is it just a mental magic trick? Maybe. BUT I do not feel that I'm overeating and I can tell you that my clothes fit a little looser and I have had little to no bloating in two weeks, which is a completely new experience for me. Maybe my deposit schedule is different because I might put in 8 dollars one day and 18 the next. It's not the same.
curious - why when you keep saying that this is all very new to you and that you are not an expert, do you also seem so sure that you are right about everything???
Curious - are you looking to have a real discussion or mock someone who is doing something different? In saying that Intermittent Fasting is relatively new to me, I am saying that I don't claim to be the expert and/or be "right about everything". Seems to me that there are quite a few trolls that want to belittle others for entertaining ideas outside the status quo.
I think it's being asked because it seems like you are being very dogmatic about some claims while at the same time proclaiming you are new to learning about this and not an expert. It's a somewhat confusing combination.
I would expect someone who knew they were still learning to be more open to the possibility they could be wrong.
The orginal post asked how one feels about intermittent fasting. I explained what the benefits and nuances are as I understand them. I cited multiple sources. I did not accuse anyone of being wrong by stating that the current methodology is not working for me. What I don't want to engage in is a who's right and who's wrong debate, which is exactly where many of your reaponses have gone. I'm more than willing to continue to expand my ideas and read more. I also welcome you to follow my journey. Hope that clears up the confusion.10 -
Sometimes I use it as away to make the meals I do eat larger, but overall it's not a strategy that works for me on a regular basis.0
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LeeshaSeal wrote: »
The orginal post asked how one feels about intermittent fasting. I explained what the benefits and nuances are as I understand them. I cited multiple sources. I did not accuse anyone of being wrong by stating that the current methodology is not working for me. What I don't want to engage in is a who's right and who's wrong debate, which is exactly where many of your reaponses have gone. I'm more than willing to continue to expand my ideas and read more. I also welcome you to follow my journey. Hope that clears up the confusion.
When something is wrong, it is wrong. When something is right, it is right. If you repeatedly post woo that has been debunked by actual scientists, people are going to point that out and provide legitimate peer reviewed research. They don't do it for the fun of proving you wrong, they do it to prevent people from getting sucked into false promises that can be costly in both money and health.20 -
AmberGlitterSparkles wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »AmberGlitterSparkles wrote: »While I understand what everyone is saying I do often think that maybe there’s more to how our bodies work that just CI/CO. Of course I 100% agree and believe that a person needs to creat a deficit to lose weight generally speaking. I do also think there are cases where other factors ( maybe heredity idk) come into play. My husband for example is 6ft 7. He weighs 155lbs. He always has. He is extremely sedentary. Can not stress this enough. He will not work out, will not go for walks, if we take the kids to the pool he lays in a lounge chair the whole time. He eats like a horse all the time. I mean he eats constantly. He’lol pound 3 big Mack’s at a time plus fries plus chicken tenders, then come home and eat again. Whatever I cook, he’ll easily eat 4 of five servings. He drinks a 12 pack of coke a day. Also, plenty of beer. Won’t eat healthy stuff. I kid you not he will not gain a pound ever. As long as I have known him he’s weighed the exact same. A lot of people have joked around that when his metabolism catches up that will change, we’re knocking on our fourties now. His father is the same way, his grandfather is the same way. To watch them eat is like watching a binge eating competition. They are all bean poles when by all accounts they should easily 400 pounds. I don’t understand how that can happen.
does your hubby have a very active job where hes on the go all the time? if he is that tall and is that thin(hes severely underweight) its possible he could have an overactive thyroid(or other health issue thats may have not shown any other smptoms). I had friends like that and my daughter had a friend like that and once she found out she had a thyroid issue she was put on meds and started gaining. genetics have really nothing to do with if you will be thin or not(but they say thyroid issues can be genetic).
if that were the case I would have never became obese. both my parents and both sets of grandparents were of a healthy weight their whole life. none of them battled with their weight or went on diets. 4 out of 5 of us girls got fat.even the ones with different dads,their dads were all tall and thin as were their parents. its because we all got sedentary (we were all active as kids and younger adults) and ate more than our bodies burned. I was of a healthy weight until about 32 then it went downhill from there. I gained weight over the years. as for working out that has no bearing on weight loss,weight is lost eating less than your body burns.
No, he has a sedentary job as well. He has had his thryroid tested, that’s normal. Matter of fact, I’m the one with the thyroid issues. Doctors have no explaination for why he can’t put on weight. Like I said he refuses to work out and try and bulk up. I don’t mind. I’m just saying that some times there are unknown factors. He honestly eats easily 5 to 6 thousand calories a day.
you do know that thyroid issues can show up as normal on blood tests sometimes right? my daughter(has hypothyroid) had an elevated one with her Gp who referred her to the endocrinologist. for almost 2 years ,every 3 months she had to be seen and have blood tests run. she still does(this is with the second endo. the first one did NO tests). for almost 2 years her levels when tested were coming up normal.it wasnt until almost the end of the 2nd year that it finally showed abnormal levels,a year later they still are abnormal even with meds. they told her its whats called fluctuating thryoid. some people can fluctuate from hyper to hypo or vice versa.so when he is tested he may have normal levels.1 -
LeeshaSeal wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »Muscleflex79 wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »Muscleflex79 wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »pinggolfer96 wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »IF helps with calorie restriction only. It has no specific health benefits. If you log your intake adequently and exercise, and you’re at or below your daily calories, IF isn’t needed. I tried IF (16:8 ratio) awhile back and I found I was eating MORE later because I felt famished. Eating 3 times a day has eliminated that.
That is a false statement. The benefits are numerous and there studies and research to prove it, which include weight loss, reducing inflammation, increasing muscle, reducing/eliminating type 2 diabetes, preventing cancer and alzheimers, to name a few. The 2016 Nobel Prize for Medicine went to a person that identified the process of Autophagy, which happens during a fasted-state. It's the process of your body cleaning out cellular junk and broken down proteins. Also, you were probably hungry because you were consuming something that released insulin and triggered digestion. It could have even been lemon in your water.
I actually think this is more of a false statement. you can't outrun thermodynamics. 2500 cals in your eating window is 2500 cals regardless. also autophogy and sparked more so by extended caloric restriction and deprivation, not fasting. if fasting helps you to create a deficit, then yes, its helping, but not causing. I would love to see those studies that prove it from credible legit sources. because I have credible proven meta analysis studies and articles on hand to negate a "10 person study" or a bodybuilding .com article.....
fasting does not promote weightless, caloric deficits do. I've been a test subject myself just to disprove people.
The one time I looked for autophagy after people touted it as this amazing thing that's going to save your life thanks to fasting, I have not found any sources besides, I think, studies done in worms. That's also a problem.
I don't think you looked very hard. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3106288/
From your link: "Our data lead us to speculate that sporadic fasting might represent a simple, safe and inexpensive means to promote this potentially therapeutic neuronal response."
Even the study authors don't think they've demonstrated what you seem to claim they have. They're just speculating.
And the study doesn't demonstrate anything about beneficial effects of autophagy, just suggests the speculation that "sporadic fasting" could enable neuronal autophagy, contrary to current "dogma" ("dogma" = widely held opinions that you disagree with). Also, unless they have their own special definition of "sporadic," even their "speculation" doesn't support IF on a regular, daily basis ("regular, daily" is not "sporadic" (occasional, irregular).
As I've replied to other posters, the studies are relatively new (within the last 10 years). They have to start somewhere but their "speculations" are pretty promising. And, I posted one example that was easily found. It's not the only information out there. I'm not sure where your dogma comment is coming from but if it's because I'm discussing ideas that go against the grain, then okay. I prefer to be inspired by ideas that may prevent cancer and alzheimers - we aren't successfully winning that battle yet.
On a personal note, I've done CI/CO for nearly 2 decades. I'm 40 now and had my last baby at 38 and it is NOT working for me. I've logged in every day since January and I am personally not having success. I am trying something else and have been keeping my "friends" updated.
what do you mean when you say CICO doesn't work for you? you believe you are eating at a calorie SURPLUS now and losing weight????
I'm saying that the traditional method of calorie counting and restriction isn't working for me. My hope is that my body starts using its energy differently. BUT I don't intend to consume carte blanche either.
That's like saying I hope my car starts running on water instead of gasoline.
The human body has established metabolic pathways. Physiology is what it is. Changing what time you eat doesn't somehow alter your metabolic pathways or change your physiology and magically make your body do something it isn't made to do, despite whatever woo Fung and his ilk might dream up.
That's not helpful at all and thank you for nit-picking my conversations. I am using a method that will allow me to burn fat for energy after it has depleted it's immediate energy store from food. I guess the joke is on me when I'm starving and still overweight. Why don't you explain "established metabolic pathways" and the corresponding physiology? And maybe provide articles outside of weightlifting online.
So you're not eating for X hours, in that time your body will indeed use it's stores to make up for the energy missing.
Where your train of thought ends is what happens when you do eat again. You're eating a whole day's worth of food in a short time span. Far more than you'd usually eat.
By your insulin theory, that leads to a long spike in insulin and fat gain.
In reality, it's simply at that moment a calorie surplus, excess gets stores and in need used again. It's literally not any different than depositing 1000 bucks into your bank account in one go at the end of the month vs. In 10 dollar increments. I.e. no difference whatsoever in the long run.
I have to put this thread down for the rest of the work day but I will certainly come back. However, you are incorrect in assessing my eating habits. I have actually found that I have more control when I eat and that I am craving better quality foods. Is it just a mental magic trick? Maybe. BUT I do not feel that I'm overeating and I can tell you that my clothes fit a little looser and I have had little to no bloating in two weeks, which is a completely new experience for me. Maybe my deposit schedule is different because I might put in 8 dollars one day and 18 the next. It's not the same.
curious - why when you keep saying that this is all very new to you and that you are not an expert, do you also seem so sure that you are right about everything???
Curious - are you looking to have a real discussion or mock someone who is doing something different? In saying that Intermittent Fasting is relatively new to me, I am saying that I don't claim to be the expert and/or be "right about everything". Seems to me that there are quite a few trolls that want to belittle others for entertaining ideas outside the status quo.
I think it's being asked because it seems like you are being very dogmatic about some claims while at the same time proclaiming you are new to learning about this and not an expert. It's a somewhat confusing combination.
I would expect someone who knew they were still learning to be more open to the possibility they could be wrong.
The orginal post asked how one feels about intermittent fasting. I explained what the benefits and nuances are as I understand them. I cited multiple sources. I did not accuse anyone of being wrong by stating that the current methodology is not working for me. What I don't want to engage in is a who's right and who's wrong debate, which is exactly where many of your reaponses have gone. I'm more than willing to continue to expand my ideas and read more. I also welcome you to follow my journey. Hope that clears up the confusion.
if losing weight not doing IF is not working for you then something else is at play. because CICO works for everyone fasting or not. the difference is people with health issues their calories in may need to be less than what MFP or any other calculator gives them.I have a health issues and MFP gives me 2100-2200 to maintain. Im maintaining on 1900 average. it gives me a BMR of 1400-1500 . my BMR with years of data,I have kept is 1272. so for me I have to eat an additional 200-300 calories less than what all the calculators and sites give me.4 -
As to how I feel about fasting
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duskyjewel wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »
The orginal post asked how one feels about intermittent fasting. I explained what the benefits and nuances are as I understand them. I cited multiple sources. I did not accuse anyone of being wrong by stating that the current methodology is not working for me. What I don't want to engage in is a who's right and who's wrong debate, which is exactly where many of your reaponses have gone. I'm more than willing to continue to expand my ideas and read more. I also welcome you to follow my journey. Hope that clears up the confusion.
When something is wrong, it is wrong. When something is right, it is right. If you repeatedly post woo that has been debunked by actual scientists, people are going to point that out and provide legitimate peer reviewed research. They don't do it for the fun of proving you wrong, they do it to prevent people from getting sucked into false promises that can be costly in both money and health.
Again, you're expressing opinion about what you and others agree to be the truth, including those in the scientific community. There are large communities of peers and scientists that believe in other methods to achieve health and weight loss. The Earth was once flat... I'm not sure what your little lecture was supposed to do. I have had others here that have actually provided insightful information, which I gladly read or marked for reading later.17 -
I am amazed at the backlash given to LeeshaSeal for giving her own account of IF and how it is helping her. I read through every post and never heard her say once that she "knows everything" or that "her way is the only right way" or that "IF cures cancer." In fact, she has been very open about the fact that while she is new to IF, she has done her research and provided information that she learned...seems to me like those attacking her are the ones hell bent on convincing everyone that she is wrong and they are right. I came to this thread because I have been interested in IF because it legitimately sounds like a lifestyle change that would fit my routine...not because I think I am going to lose 100 pounds in 6 months. We are all here to better ourselves and if IF works for you, then so be it. If it doesnt, then trash it and try something else. I know I follow Terry Crews on Instagram and he is a huge proponent for IF. He totes it as bringing him into the best shape of his life and he has never been in BAD shape. I dont think Crews is a kook...certainly not everyone that has something good to say about it could be. Too bad people can't be more supportive of one another...especially on a platform like this.26
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I am amazed at the backlash given to LeeshaSeal for giving her own account of IF and how it is helping her. I read through every post and never heard her say once that she "knows everything" or that "her way is the only right way" or that "IF cures cancer."
Perhaps you missed this post?LeeshaSeal wrote: »IF helps with calorie restriction only. It has no specific health benefits. If you log your intake adequently and exercise, and you’re at or below your daily calories, IF isn’t needed. I tried IF (16:8 ratio) awhile back and I found I was eating MORE later because I felt famished. Eating 3 times a day has eliminated that.
That is a false statement. The benefits are numerous and there studies and research to prove it, which include weight loss, reducing inflammation, increasing muscle, reducing/eliminating type 2 diabetes, preventing cancer and alzheimers, to name a few. The 2016 Nobel Prize for Medicine went to a person that identified the process of Autophagy, which happens during a fasted-state. It's the process of your body cleaning out cellular junk and broken down proteins. Also, you were probably hungry because you were consuming something that released insulin and triggered digestion. It could have even been lemon in your water.
Those are some pretty strong and scientifically unsubstantiated claims. That's the reason for the "backlash" (interesting choice of word, btw) that you're seeing.
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LOL the Earth was never flat.
Do you think there is any such thing as something that is true, and other things that are not true? Or is everything opinion?8 -
I am amazed at the backlash given to LeeshaSeal for giving her own account of IF and how it is helping her. I read through every post and never heard her say once that she "knows everything" or that "her way is the only right way" or that "IF cures cancer." In fact, she has been very open about the fact that while she is new to IF, she has done her research and provided information that she learned...seems to me like those attacking her are the ones hell bent on convincing everyone that she is wrong and they are right. I came to this thread because I have been interested in IF because it legitimately sounds like a lifestyle change that would fit my routine...not because I think I am going to lose 100 pounds in 6 months. We are all here to better ourselves and if IF works for you, then so be it. If it doesnt, then trash it and try something else. I know I follow Terry Crews on Instagram and he is a huge proponent for IF. He totes it as bringing him into the best shape of his life and he has never been in BAD shape. I dont think Crews is a kook...certainly not everyone that has something good to say about it could be. Too bad people can't be more supportive of one another...especially on a platform like this.
She's repeatedly mentioned preventing cancer.LeeshaSeal wrote: »IF helps with calorie restriction only. It has no specific health benefits. If you log your intake adequently and exercise, and you’re at or below your daily calories, IF isn’t needed. I tried IF (16:8 ratio) awhile back and I found I was eating MORE later because I felt famished. Eating 3 times a day has eliminated that.
That is a false statement. The benefits are numerous and there studies and research to prove it, which include weight loss, reducing inflammation, increasing muscle, reducing/eliminating type 2 diabetes, preventing cancer and alzheimers, to name a few. The 2016 Nobel Prize for Medicine went to a person that identified the process of Autophagy, which happens during a fasted-state. It's the process of your body cleaning out cellular junk and broken down proteins. Also, you were probably hungry because you were consuming something that released insulin and triggered digestion. It could have even been lemon in your water.LeeshaSeal wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »pinggolfer96 wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »IF helps with calorie restriction only. It has no specific health benefits. If you log your intake adequently and exercise, and you’re at or below your daily calories, IF isn’t needed. I tried IF (16:8 ratio) awhile back and I found I was eating MORE later because I felt famished. Eating 3 times a day has eliminated that.
That is a false statement. The benefits are numerous and there studies and research to prove it, which include weight loss, reducing inflammation, increasing muscle, reducing/eliminating type 2 diabetes, preventing cancer and alzheimers, to name a few. The 2016 Nobel Prize for Medicine went to a person that identified the process of Autophagy, which happens during a fasted-state. It's the process of your body cleaning out cellular junk and broken down proteins. Also, you were probably hungry because you were consuming something that released insulin and triggered digestion. It could have even been lemon in your water.
I actually think this is more of a false statement. you can't outrun thermodynamics. 2500 cals in your eating window is 2500 cals regardless. also autophogy and sparked more so by extended caloric restriction and deprivation, not fasting. if fasting helps you to create a deficit, then yes, its helping, but not causing. I would love to see those studies that prove it from credible legit sources. because I have credible proven meta analysis studies and articles on hand to negate a "10 person study" or a bodybuilding .com article.....
fasting does not promote weightless, caloric deficits do. I've been a test subject myself just to disprove people.
The one time I looked for autophagy after people touted it as this amazing thing that's going to save your life thanks to fasting, I have not found any sources besides, I think, studies done in worms. That's also a problem.
I don't think you looked very hard. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3106288/
So mice, then.
That changes nothing.
That depends on how you look at things. The process of autophagy is only recently discovered and studied. It's the beginning of something that can be truly promising. All studies have to start somewhere and typically, they have to be successful on animals before moving to human trials. Weight loss aside, the idea that a process we can initiate can contribute to cancer, alzeihmers, Parkinsons, etc. prevention is inspiring to me. But if you want to dumb the whole thing down to a who's right and who's wrong about weight loss conversation, that's up to you.9 -
LeeshaSeal wrote: »duskyjewel wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »
The orginal post asked how one feels about intermittent fasting. I explained what the benefits and nuances are as I understand them. I cited multiple sources. I did not accuse anyone of being wrong by stating that the current methodology is not working for me. What I don't want to engage in is a who's right and who's wrong debate, which is exactly where many of your reaponses have gone. I'm more than willing to continue to expand my ideas and read more. I also welcome you to follow my journey. Hope that clears up the confusion.
When something is wrong, it is wrong. When something is right, it is right. If you repeatedly post woo that has been debunked by actual scientists, people are going to point that out and provide legitimate peer reviewed research. They don't do it for the fun of proving you wrong, they do it to prevent people from getting sucked into false promises that can be costly in both money and health.
Again, you're expressing opinion about what you and others agree to be the truth, including those in the scientific community. There are large communities of peers and scientists that believe in other methods to achieve health and weight loss. The Earth was once flat... I'm not sure what your little lecture was supposed to do. I have had others here that have actually provided insightful information, which I gladly read or marked for reading later.
There are still people who believe the Earth is flat. Belief =/= reality.11 -
Here they come! I LOVE that you all got THAT out of my post. Its like talking to a damn wall. I didnt miss that post...no where in there do I see that she said it "CURES CANCER." OR did YOU miss that post? Prevent Cancer...a process that we can control can contribute to cancer...these arent new ideas that what you put in your body can contribute to cancer...and its no secret that by avoiding things could prevent it. Again, please tell me what I missed?24
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Here they come! I LOVE that you all got THAT out of my post. Its like talking to a damn wall. I didnt miss that post...no where in there do I see that she said it "CURES CANCER." OR did YOU miss that post? Prevent Cancer...a process that we can control can contribute to cancer...these arent new ideas that what you put in your body can contribute to cancer...and its no secret that by avoiding things could prevent it. Again, please tell me what I missed?
Perhaps the part that IF has nothing to do with what you do or don't eat? Only when you do or don't eat it.9 -
Here they come! I LOVE that you all got THAT out of my post. Its like talking to a damn wall. I didnt miss that post...no where in there do I see that she said it "CURES CANCER." OR did YOU miss that post? Prevent Cancer...a process that we can control can contribute to cancer...these arent new ideas that what you put in your body can contribute to cancer...and its no secret that by avoiding things could prevent it. Again, please tell me what I missed?
@angel7747 Since IF is when you eat not what you eat how does it "prevent" cancer? So eating within 8 or less hours makes things that are normally carcinogenic fine?11 -
I dont know how to respond to each of you personally..But Duskyjewel, in my post I no where brought up what your comment was about. I am not an expert on IF..nor am I guessing you are. If it works for people then it works. If it doesnt then it doesnt. I saw your previous comment that it has been debunked by reputable scientists...do you care to provide a link to that so I dont just take what you are saying as doctrinaire statements asserted as facts? For as many people say it works..just as many dont. I really dont have the time to go back and forth as it is clear you all could go all day.10
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I dont know how to respond to each of you personally..But Duskyjewel, in my post I no where brought up what your comment was about. I am not an expert on IF..nor am I guessing you are. If it works for people then it works. If it doesnt then it doesnt. I saw your previous comment that it has been debunked by reputable scientists...do you care to provide a link to that so I dont just take what you are saying as doctrinaire statements asserted as facts? For as many people say it works..just as many dont. I really dont have the time to go back and forth as it is clear you all could go all day.
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I dont know how to respond to each of you personally..But Duskyjewel, in my post I no where brought up what your comment was about. I am not an expert on IF..nor am I guessing you are. If it works for people then it works. If it doesnt then it doesnt. I saw your previous comment that it has been debunked by reputable scientists...do you care to provide a link to that so I dont just take what you are saying as doctrinaire statements asserted as facts? For as many people say it works..just as many dont. I really dont have the time to go back and forth as it is clear you all could go all day.
IF is nothing to be an 'expert' about. All IF is is a way for some people to control their caloric intake by limiting eating to within a specific window of time. If it works, those using IF can achieve weight loss/management.
Consume too many calories in whatever your eating window is and - just like everyone else - you would gain weight.
All of the additional 'benefits' that have been assigned to IF of late are completely unsubstantiated.
PS: I've been doing IF for decades. There's no magic. It still all comes down to creating a calorie deficit or not.
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Actually @singingflutelady, from what I read about it before coming to this thread, almost all stated that you should still stick to good food choices such as fruit, vegetables, lean proteins, etc, and that IF is NOT an excuse to stuff your face with poor food choices. Where are you seeing that an actual study said they could eat whatever they wanted? I am not going to get in an argument about IF...I am not going to go there with any of you because I am not an expert. My post was stating that this is supposed to be a platform where people motivate eachother and provide real life insight to things/ideas that worked for them. In my opinion thats what she was doing. I have had several friends that had great success with IF and my whole point was to give my opinion on how everyone else was labeling her as a know it all while themselves being the ones to try and push their word as the fact. Have a great night!20
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To OP's original question - "How do you feel about fasting?" I'm not a big fan because I like to eat when I feel like it and not on some pre-ordained schedule of IF. I only fast (some years) during Lent because I feel the need for a personal sacrifice and that's how I view fasting. As a sacrifice and indicator of personal control. Even then, Lenten fasting is not going without all food - just a much smaller amount for a day. That's about all I'm interested in.
Although this thread has become a bit of a debate, I can see valid of points on different sides. To the person with the very-thin-voracious-eating husband, mine is much the same. After years of eating large amounts of food and not much exercise and never gaining, it is finally catching up to him somewhat now that he's in his 50's. He's maybe MAYBE 10 pounds heavier than 40 years ago when we met. My father was the same, as is our youngest son. All healthy with normal blood work, no thyroid issues. I don't think all metabolisms are created equal and as @CharlieBeansmomTracey said, as a result not all caloric needs are the same. That especially changes for women when they reach menopause because hormones change drastically and that affects metabolism. For weight-loss, gain, or maintaining I believe it still comes down to CICO but individual needs can vary greatly and change as we age. I think the jury is still out on what effect fasting might have on cells, hormones, our glandular system, the brain. Science is ever evolving, so unless you are a physiologist and it's your area of expertise, it's mostly conjecture and opinion. Even so, you will find scientists with interpretations of study results on both ends of the spectrum. I don't believe we know everything about anything, so what's the harm in entertaining different possibilities?
Just a point about fasting in general over time. Our ancestors were often either feasting or fasting. When food was plentiful they ate much more, when food was scarce they conserved and ate much less. Food preservation was limited, so they had to eat while they could. The human body adapted somehow to keep people alive for quite some time even during the leanest times. I have no clue what the physiology was, but the human body is a strange and wonderful thing as enough of these people survived long enough to pro-create and now here we are.
Also, daily periods of fast was the most common way of eating for many centuries past. Even the Romans believed that eating more than once a day was a form of gluttony. The concept of 3 squares a day wasn't even a thing until after the Industrial Revolution where people started eating breakfast before going off to work long days. During the middle ages and even much later many people did not break their fast until after morning mass, so would normally not eat until mid-morning at the earliest and then might only have one additional evening meal (but not always). The wealthy often had more frequent meals than the common-folk just because they could. Personally, I'm glad I have the ability to eat as many times a day as I wish (while usually staying under my calorie goal).
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