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How do you feel about fasting?
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LeeshaSeal wrote: »YvetteK2015 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Actually @singingflutelady, from what I read about it before coming to this thread, almost all stated that you should still stick to good food choices such as fruit, vegetables, lean proteins, etc, and that IF is NOT an excuse to stuff your face with poor food choices. Where are you seeing that an actual study said they could eat whatever they wanted? I am not going to get in an argument about IF...I am not going to go there with any of you because I am not an expert. My post was stating that this is supposed to be a platform where people motivate eachother and provide real life insight to things/ideas that worked for them. In my opinion thats what she was doing. I have had several friends that had great success with IF and my whole point was to give my opinion on how everyone else was labeling her as a know it all while themselves being the ones to try and push their word as the fact. Have a great night!
@angel7747 how is making unsubstantiated health claims supportive? Claiming something prevents cancer when there is no evidence that it does is pretty dangerous if you ask me.
Its not dangerous to try and do something good for yourself and your body. She didn't make those claims herself..she was citing other sources. And we can't even tell people what causes most cancers so believing that a certain lifestyle can help your health, whether unsubstantiated or not, is hardly dangerous. She's not out there telling people to drink a fifth and smoke a pack of cigs a day for petes sake.
The statements borders on the ridiculous. You may not understand how it comes off, so I'll tell you. At the age of 30, I was very active, between the sizes of 0-2, and I had what would be considered an extremely healthy diet. I never ate anything that would be considered "junk food". Never ate fast food, never touched soda...I did every "right". Yet I still got lymphoma. My doctors could not tell me ANYTHING I could have done differently that would have changed that. Not my diet, my exercise, my environment. They said, luck of the draw for me.
Now, I do IF, and I love it because it controls my appetite. That's it. So when I see these magical claims that changing your eating window from morning to night to just afternoon til night will prevent a cancer or reverse other diseases...it's insulting. It really is. Especially when IF is just a time frame and not a diet with rules of what to eat. You can eat jelly donuts all day on IF if you want, and that's not reversing any darn disease. You may think saying this stuff is harmless, but you are basically spouting medical advice has no validity. And as someone who has had one of those diseases, it is really, really irritating.
ETA: Right, you didn't make those statements, but as you were defending the other poster making those statements, just wanted to make clear why they were not helpful.
This has gone completely out of line and out of control. I clearly will not voice an unpopular opinion again. I NEVER said that IF cures cancer. I'm sure you feel very strongly about it having cancer yourself and I respect that but quit slamming me. You can direct your anger towards the sources that I received that information from.
She was clearly discussing the statement of IF preventing cancer, which was the claim you put forward.6 -
LeeshaSeal wrote: »YvetteK2015 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Actually @singingflutelady, from what I read about it before coming to this thread, almost all stated that you should still stick to good food choices such as fruit, vegetables, lean proteins, etc, and that IF is NOT an excuse to stuff your face with poor food choices. Where are you seeing that an actual study said they could eat whatever they wanted? I am not going to get in an argument about IF...I am not going to go there with any of you because I am not an expert. My post was stating that this is supposed to be a platform where people motivate eachother and provide real life insight to things/ideas that worked for them. In my opinion thats what she was doing. I have had several friends that had great success with IF and my whole point was to give my opinion on how everyone else was labeling her as a know it all while themselves being the ones to try and push their word as the fact. Have a great night!
@angel7747 how is making unsubstantiated health claims supportive? Claiming something prevents cancer when there is no evidence that it does is pretty dangerous if you ask me.
Its not dangerous to try and do something good for yourself and your body. She didn't make those claims herself..she was citing other sources. And we can't even tell people what causes most cancers so believing that a certain lifestyle can help your health, whether unsubstantiated or not, is hardly dangerous. She's not out there telling people to drink a fifth and smoke a pack of cigs a day for petes sake.
The statements borders on the ridiculous. You may not understand how it comes off, so I'll tell you. At the age of 30, I was very active, between the sizes of 0-2, and I had what would be considered an extremely healthy diet. I never ate anything that would be considered "junk food". Never ate fast food, never touched soda...I did every "right". Yet I still got lymphoma. My doctors could not tell me ANYTHING I could have done differently that would have changed that. Not my diet, my exercise, my environment. They said, luck of the draw for me.
Now, I do IF, and I love it because it controls my appetite. That's it. So when I see these magical claims that changing your eating window from morning to night to just afternoon til night will prevent a cancer or reverse other diseases...it's insulting. It really is. Especially when IF is just a time frame and not a diet with rules of what to eat. You can eat jelly donuts all day on IF if you want, and that's not reversing any darn disease. You may think saying this stuff is harmless, but you are basically spouting medical advice has no validity. And as someone who has had one of those diseases, it is really, really irritating.
ETA: Right, you didn't make those statements, but as you were defending the other poster making those statements, just wanted to make clear why they were not helpful.
This has gone completely out of line and out of control. I clearly will not voice an unpopular opinion again. I NEVER said that IF cures cancer. I'm sure you feel very strongly about it having cancer yourself and I respect that but quit slamming me. You can direct your anger towards the sources that I received that information from.
PREVENT. My post was clearly about how there was nothing I could have done to prevent my cancer...including fasting. So stating that IF can prevent cancer borders on the ridiculous.15 -
LeeshaSeal wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »I dont know how to respond to each of you personally..But Duskyjewel, in my post I no where brought up what your comment was about. I am not an expert on IF..nor am I guessing you are. If it works for people then it works. If it doesnt then it doesnt. I saw your previous comment that it has been debunked by reputable scientists...do you care to provide a link to that so I dont just take what you are saying as doctrinaire statements asserted as facts? For as many people say it works..just as many dont. I really dont have the time to go back and forth as it is clear you all could go all day.
IF is nothing to be an 'expert' about. All IF is is a way for some people to control their caloric intake by limiting eating to within a specific window of time. If it works, those using IF can achieve weight loss/management.
Consume too many calories in whatever your eating window is and - just like everyone else - you would gain weight.
All of the additional 'benefits' that have been assigned to IF of late are completely unsubstantiated.
PS: I've been doing IF for decades. There's no magic. It still all comes down to creating a calorie deficit or not.
I agree with what you are saying as i do believe in CICO. But I also agree that things are only unsubstantiated until they arent and from what I can see, from studies that have been performed, they did find benefits such as reducing insulin resistance, therefore lowering your risk of Type 2 Diabetes..albeit these study groups were admittedly smaller in size. I am not saying she is right in everything she was saying..but she also wasnt the one making those claims. She was getting those from other cited sources. I was just disappointed in seeing so many people attacking her based on information that she didn't make up herself.
Vetting sources is a very important skill.
Right back at ya!
Just pointing out that not all sources are the same. You can find sources for just about anything online so just because you can cite something doesn't automatically make it reputable.
Just so you know, I like to get my sources from multiple places, like books.
thing with books though is a lot of them are outdated and what was once though bad or good for you now has ben proven to be the opposite. even health and biology books change over time.which is why dietitians have to stay current in nutrtion and so on.because things change.its not wrong to want to be knowledgeable though.6 -
LeeshaSeal wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »I dont know how to respond to each of you personally..But Duskyjewel, in my post I no where brought up what your comment was about. I am not an expert on IF..nor am I guessing you are. If it works for people then it works. If it doesnt then it doesnt. I saw your previous comment that it has been debunked by reputable scientists...do you care to provide a link to that so I dont just take what you are saying as doctrinaire statements asserted as facts? For as many people say it works..just as many dont. I really dont have the time to go back and forth as it is clear you all could go all day.
IF is nothing to be an 'expert' about. All IF is is a way for some people to control their caloric intake by limiting eating to within a specific window of time. If it works, those using IF can achieve weight loss/management.
Consume too many calories in whatever your eating window is and - just like everyone else - you would gain weight.
All of the additional 'benefits' that have been assigned to IF of late are completely unsubstantiated.
PS: I've been doing IF for decades. There's no magic. It still all comes down to creating a calorie deficit or not.
I agree with what you are saying as i do believe in CICO. But I also agree that things are only unsubstantiated until they arent and from what I can see, from studies that have been performed, they did find benefits such as reducing insulin resistance, therefore lowering your risk of Type 2 Diabetes..albeit these study groups were admittedly smaller in size. I am not saying she is right in everything she was saying..but she also wasnt the one making those claims. She was getting those from other cited sources. I was just disappointed in seeing so many people attacking her based on information that she didn't make up herself.
Vetting sources is a very important skill.
Right back at ya!
Just pointing out that not all sources are the same. You can find sources for just about anything online so just because you can cite something doesn't automatically make it reputable.
Just so you know, I like to get my sources from multiple places, like books.
There is this great site, PubMed, where there are actual studies and Meta-Analysies (sp?). There is also the AJSM that publishes scholarly articles based on research. I'm guessing you are not familiar with either of these sources based on your posts...
Good recommendations. Let's also not forget about the Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition (JISSN) and their indexed, searchable database: https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles4 -
I think it means never mind. Just guessing.
There is a supportive IF MFP group that you might want to check out. I lurk in it often.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/49-intermittent-fasting
There's also an OMAD group if you like a really small eating time frame.
Sometimes it's.... Friendlier to chat in specific groups about specific ways of eating.
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YvetteK2015 wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »YvetteK2015 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Actually @singingflutelady, from what I read about it before coming to this thread, almost all stated that you should still stick to good food choices such as fruit, vegetables, lean proteins, etc, and that IF is NOT an excuse to stuff your face with poor food choices. Where are you seeing that an actual study said they could eat whatever they wanted? I am not going to get in an argument about IF...I am not going to go there with any of you because I am not an expert. My post was stating that this is supposed to be a platform where people motivate eachother and provide real life insight to things/ideas that worked for them. In my opinion thats what she was doing. I have had several friends that had great success with IF and my whole point was to give my opinion on how everyone else was labeling her as a know it all while themselves being the ones to try and push their word as the fact. Have a great night!
@angel7747 how is making unsubstantiated health claims supportive? Claiming something prevents cancer when there is no evidence that it does is pretty dangerous if you ask me.
Its not dangerous to try and do something good for yourself and your body. She didn't make those claims herself..she was citing other sources. And we can't even tell people what causes most cancers so believing that a certain lifestyle can help your health, whether unsubstantiated or not, is hardly dangerous. She's not out there telling people to drink a fifth and smoke a pack of cigs a day for petes sake.
The statements borders on the ridiculous. You may not understand how it comes off, so I'll tell you. At the age of 30, I was very active, between the sizes of 0-2, and I had what would be considered an extremely healthy diet. I never ate anything that would be considered "junk food". Never ate fast food, never touched soda...I did every "right". Yet I still got lymphoma. My doctors could not tell me ANYTHING I could have done differently that would have changed that. Not my diet, my exercise, my environment. They said, luck of the draw for me.
Now, I do IF, and I love it because it controls my appetite. That's it. So when I see these magical claims that changing your eating window from morning to night to just afternoon til night will prevent a cancer or reverse other diseases...it's insulting. It really is. Especially when IF is just a time frame and not a diet with rules of what to eat. You can eat jelly donuts all day on IF if you want, and that's not reversing any darn disease. You may think saying this stuff is harmless, but you are basically spouting medical advice has no validity. And as someone who has had one of those diseases, it is really, really irritating.
ETA: Right, you didn't make those statements, but as you were defending the other poster making those statements, just wanted to make clear why they were not helpful.
This has gone completely out of line and out of control. I clearly will not voice an unpopular opinion again. I NEVER said that IF cures cancer. I'm sure you feel very strongly about it having cancer yourself and I respect that but quit slamming me. You can direct your anger towards the sources that I received that information from.
PREVENT. My post was clearly about how there was nothing I could have done to prevent my cancer...including fasting. So stating that IF can prevent cancer borders on the ridiculous.
I apologize as I was starting to get flustered with my responses and not being thorough. Yes, prevent. I mentioned a study earlier, albeit in mice, that links Fasting with autophagy, which may be a factor in preventing cancer. I probably shouldn't have been so callous in the manner I put that out there. I was reading another study earlier, which made reference to human trials. I think that much more research needs to be done but there are some promising leads.
Honestly, I'm happy to have a productive conversation but it seems like you just want to put me in my place.5 -
singingflutelady wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »I dont know how to respond to each of you personally..But Duskyjewel, in my post I no where brought up what your comment was about. I am not an expert on IF..nor am I guessing you are. If it works for people then it works. If it doesnt then it doesnt. I saw your previous comment that it has been debunked by reputable scientists...do you care to provide a link to that so I dont just take what you are saying as doctrinaire statements asserted as facts? For as many people say it works..just as many dont. I really dont have the time to go back and forth as it is clear you all could go all day.
IF is nothing to be an 'expert' about. All IF is is a way for some people to control their caloric intake by limiting eating to within a specific window of time. If it works, those using IF can achieve weight loss/management.
Consume too many calories in whatever your eating window is and - just like everyone else - you would gain weight.
All of the additional 'benefits' that have been assigned to IF of late are completely unsubstantiated.
PS: I've been doing IF for decades. There's no magic. It still all comes down to creating a calorie deficit or not.
I agree with what you are saying as i do believe in CICO. But I also agree that things are only unsubstantiated until they arent and from what I can see, from studies that have been performed, they did find benefits such as reducing insulin resistance, therefore lowering your risk of Type 2 Diabetes..albeit these study groups were admittedly smaller in size. I am not saying she is right in everything she was saying..but she also wasnt the one making those claims. She was getting those from other cited sources. I was just disappointed in seeing so many people attacking her based on information that she didn't make up herself.
Vetting sources is a very important skill.
Right back at ya!
Just pointing out that not all sources are the same. You can find sources for just about anything online so just because you can cite something doesn't automatically make it reputable.
Just so you know, I like to get my sources from multiple places, like books.
Wow! Books? Actual books? Books are mostly written to.....sell books!! There is this great site, PubMed, where there are actual studies and Meta-Analysies (sp?). There is also the AJSM that publishes scholarly articles based on research. I'm guessing you are not familiar with either of these sources based on your posts.
They are both easy to use internet based tools. Plug in the topic and get all the available studies and/ or articles. Not perfect but a great place to start. Much better than books, that are typically written with an agenda and are typically outdated based on the most recent research by the time they are published.
You could have written that without being insulting or condescending. I clearly stated that I was open to read more information. I've had every word today taken out of context as you did above. I wrote that in response to posters who assumed I used any headline that came across my Facebook feed as my sources. You left out the part of the quote where I said I like to get my information from multiple sources.
NM.
1) what does that even mean and 2) why are you so hostile?
1. It means nevermind. I was asking again what your source is for your claim that IF prevents cancer. 2. I'm so "hostile" because I have seen people hurt and even die because of medical misinformation like what you are spreading in the post I quoted above.
I will repost one of the sources I found, which links Fasting to being able initiate autophagy, which has been linked to cancer prevention. I don't have a goal of spreading false information to hurt people.8 -
LeeshaSeal wrote: »YvetteK2015 wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »YvetteK2015 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Actually @singingflutelady, from what I read about it before coming to this thread, almost all stated that you should still stick to good food choices such as fruit, vegetables, lean proteins, etc, and that IF is NOT an excuse to stuff your face with poor food choices. Where are you seeing that an actual study said they could eat whatever they wanted? I am not going to get in an argument about IF...I am not going to go there with any of you because I am not an expert. My post was stating that this is supposed to be a platform where people motivate eachother and provide real life insight to things/ideas that worked for them. In my opinion thats what she was doing. I have had several friends that had great success with IF and my whole point was to give my opinion on how everyone else was labeling her as a know it all while themselves being the ones to try and push their word as the fact. Have a great night!
@angel7747 how is making unsubstantiated health claims supportive? Claiming something prevents cancer when there is no evidence that it does is pretty dangerous if you ask me.
Its not dangerous to try and do something good for yourself and your body. She didn't make those claims herself..she was citing other sources. And we can't even tell people what causes most cancers so believing that a certain lifestyle can help your health, whether unsubstantiated or not, is hardly dangerous. She's not out there telling people to drink a fifth and smoke a pack of cigs a day for petes sake.
The statements borders on the ridiculous. You may not understand how it comes off, so I'll tell you. At the age of 30, I was very active, between the sizes of 0-2, and I had what would be considered an extremely healthy diet. I never ate anything that would be considered "junk food". Never ate fast food, never touched soda...I did every "right". Yet I still got lymphoma. My doctors could not tell me ANYTHING I could have done differently that would have changed that. Not my diet, my exercise, my environment. They said, luck of the draw for me.
Now, I do IF, and I love it because it controls my appetite. That's it. So when I see these magical claims that changing your eating window from morning to night to just afternoon til night will prevent a cancer or reverse other diseases...it's insulting. It really is. Especially when IF is just a time frame and not a diet with rules of what to eat. You can eat jelly donuts all day on IF if you want, and that's not reversing any darn disease. You may think saying this stuff is harmless, but you are basically spouting medical advice has no validity. And as someone who has had one of those diseases, it is really, really irritating.
ETA: Right, you didn't make those statements, but as you were defending the other poster making those statements, just wanted to make clear why they were not helpful.
This has gone completely out of line and out of control. I clearly will not voice an unpopular opinion again. I NEVER said that IF cures cancer. I'm sure you feel very strongly about it having cancer yourself and I respect that but quit slamming me. You can direct your anger towards the sources that I received that information from.
PREVENT. My post was clearly about how there was nothing I could have done to prevent my cancer...including fasting. So stating that IF can prevent cancer borders on the ridiculous.
I apologize as I was starting to get flustered with my responses and not being thorough. Yes, prevent. I mentioned a study earlier, albeit in mice, that links Fasting with autophagy, which may be a factor in preventing cancer. I probably shouldn't have been so callous in the manner I put that out there. I was reading another study earlier, which made reference to human trials. I think that much more research needs to be done but there are some promising leads.
Honestly, I'm happy to have a productive conversation but it seems like you just want to put me in my place.
I'm not here to put anyone in there place. I don't have time for that. But having gone through it, I'm keenly aware of what desperate people will do and will cling to when faced with disease. Putting forth medical claims that are not proven is not harmless, I promise you. Again, IF is ONLY a time frame of eating. It says nothing about what you are eating and how much you are eating, only when you are eating. So there is nothing about it whatsoever that has anything to do with disease prevention UNLESS you pair it with nutrition. But IF on its own IS NOT about nutrition. That is where my beef lies in this. You can have your opinions. But you were stating things as facts that just are not established yet. I'm happy that you have done so much research, but as others have stated, you should definitely look into publications such as pubmed and the like.
I get that you are relatively new to IF. There are so many knowledgeable people in this thread. Listen to the advice they are giving...like the different authors to read and the publication to look into. You'll get great information.12 -
I love the 16/8 intermittent fasting. It works well for me, but then again I have never been one for breakfast. Eating from 1 to 9 allows me to not feel guilty for eating in the evening. Plus I am losing weight and that what matters.4
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singingflutelady wrote: »Actually @singingflutelady, from what I read about it before coming to this thread, almost all stated that you should still stick to good food choices such as fruit, vegetables, lean proteins, etc, and that IF is NOT an excuse to stuff your face with poor food choices. Where are you seeing that an actual study said they could eat whatever they wanted? I am not going to get in an argument about IF...I am not going to go there with any of you because I am not an expert. My post was stating that this is supposed to be a platform where people motivate eachother and provide real life insight to things/ideas that worked for them. In my opinion thats what she was doing. I have had several friends that had great success with IF and my whole point was to give my opinion on how everyone else was labeling her as a know it all while themselves being the ones to try and push their word as the fact. Have a great night!
@angel7747 how is making unsubstantiated health claims supportive? Claiming something prevents cancer when there is no evidence that it does is pretty dangerous if you ask me.
Its not dangerous to try and do something good for yourself and your body. She didn't make those claims herself..she was citing other sources. And we can't even tell people what causes most cancers so believing that a certain lifestyle can help your health, whether unsubstantiated or not, is hardly dangerous. She's not out there telling people to drink a fifth and smoke a pack of cigs a day for petes sake.
Ask Steve Jobs how well trying and doing something good for himself and his body worked out for his cancer.
Saying a form of eating prevents or treats cancer, which happens all the fricking time with this goddamn way of eating, is dangerous. End of sentence. People died because they listened to people who told them it would treat their disease.15 -
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This had been moved to debate, as always please remember to debate respectfully. Since this debate has touched on cancer and other diseases, which hit close to home for some people, please be thoughtful in your responses when participating in that part of the debate.
Oreo lovers - feel free to start a thread for that
Happy Debating
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LeeshaSeal wrote: »duskyjewel wrote: »Here they come! I LOVE that you all got THAT out of my post. Its like talking to a damn wall. I didnt miss that post...no where in there do I see that she said it "CURES CANCER." OR did YOU miss that post? Prevent Cancer...a process that we can control can contribute to cancer...these arent new ideas that what you put in your body can contribute to cancer...and its no secret that by avoiding things could prevent it. Again, please tell me what I missed?LeeshaSeal wrote: »That is a false statement. The benefits are numerous and there studies and research to prove it, which include weight loss, reducing inflammation, increasing muscle, reducing/eliminating type 2 diabetes, preventing cancer and alzheimers, to name a few. The 2016 Nobel Prize for Medicine went to a person that identified the process of Autophagy, which happens during a fasted-state. It's the process of your body cleaning out cellular junk and broken down proteins. Also, you were probably hungry because you were consuming something that released insulin and triggered digestion. It could have even been lemon in your water.
These are doctrinaire statements asserted as if fact.
I do have research and studies that back those claims up but those were dismissed as false, woo, or quack here.
Fung is frequently dismissed as a quack, because.... he is. Here are some great articles discussing the holes in his theories and statements:
https://www.diabetes-warrior.net/2015/04/24/what-the-fung/
https://www.diabetes-warrior.net/2015/04/20/fung-us-among-us/
https://www.myoleanfitness.com/evidence-caloric-restriction/8 -
Fasting is easy and awesome. While a year on a Keto diet worked exactly as advertised (-50lbs) I refuse to burn any more time or money on elaborate meal plans, shopping, recipes & exercise regimens. Most days I eat red meat and vegetables from 4:30-8pm. I also drink wine & beer, go for social/work meals weekly and remain steady @ 5’8”/145lb/15% body fat. I have never felt better, never been more energetic and productive in my life. Also, I never worry about my weight. After a few days of 20:4 fasting, I didn’t get hungry or even think about food until driving home at the end of the work day.1
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Fasting is easy and awesome. While a year on a Keto diet worked exactly as advertised (-50lbs) I refuse to burn any more time or money on elaborate meal plans, shopping, recipes & exercise regimens. Most days I eat red meat and vegetables from 4:30-8pm. I also drink wine & beer, go for social/work meals weekly and remain steady @ 5’8”/145lb/15% body fat. I have never felt better, never been more energetic and productive in my life. Also, I never worry about my weight. After a few days of 20:4 fasting, I didn’t get hungry or even think about food until driving home at the end of the work day.
what do you mean the keto diet worked as advertised? if you lose weight its due to a deficit and if you are now maintaining you are eating maintenance calories.also how long did it take to lose 50 lbs?
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pinggolfer96 wrote: »I hope this is trolling cause 8 hours is no where near fasting....
Also fasting is kinda pointless and unsustainable imo
I have to disagree with you there. I can only speak for myself, but in doing an 18:6 fast for the last three months, I've dropped 28lbs. I have better focus during the day and I sleep better at night. During the six hours I have to feed myself. I stay within my macros and literally eat something everything hour to an hour and a half. By the time I break my fast (between noon and 1PM) I am hungry, but not starving. During the fast, I don't even think about food at this point. Surprisingly, I have more energy and time to do things I enjoy because I am not always on a hunt to stuff my face.
Anything is sustainable IF you have the discipline to make it so.5 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Fasting is easy and awesome. While a year on a Keto diet worked exactly as advertised (-50lbs) I refuse to burn any more time or money on elaborate meal plans, shopping, recipes & exercise regimens. Most days I eat red meat and vegetables from 4:30-8pm. I also drink wine & beer, go for social/work meals weekly and remain steady @ 5’8”/145lb/15% body fat. I have never felt better, never been more energetic and productive in my life. Also, I never worry about my weight. After a few days of 20:4 fasting, I didn’t get hungry or even think about food until driving home at the end of the work day.
what do you mean the keto diet worked as advertised? if you lose weight its due to a deficit and if you are now maintaining you are eating maintenance calories.also how long did it take to lose 50 lbs?
I was told by my nutritionist lady that I would lose 2.5 lbs a week - that was bang on! Let’s just assume that most people know what the results of caloric maintenance and deficit will be. I’m just saying that fasting is a very easy way to achieve either.3 -
I’m surprised by how many people are honestly afraid of being hungry.9
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Fasting is easy and awesome. While a year on a Keto diet worked exactly as advertised (-50lbs) I refuse to burn any more time or money on elaborate meal plans, shopping, recipes & exercise regimens. Most days I eat red meat and vegetables from 4:30-8pm. I also drink wine & beer, go for social/work meals weekly and remain steady @ 5’8”/145lb/15% body fat. I have never felt better, never been more energetic and productive in my life. Also, I never worry about my weight. After a few days of 20:4 fasting, I didn’t get hungry or even think about food until driving home at the end of the work day.
what do you mean the keto diet worked as advertised? if you lose weight its due to a deficit and if you are now maintaining you are eating maintenance calories.also how long did it take to lose 50 lbs?
I was told by my nutritionist lady that I would lose 2.5 lbs a week - that was bang on! Let’s just assume that most people know what the results of caloric maintenance and deficit will be. I’m just saying that fasting is a very easy way to achieve either.
You assume that it's easy for everyone to do IF just like people assume keto will make everyone feel full because of the high fats. We are not all wired the same. My father basically did IF, not because he wanted to, he is just the type of person who doesn't eat breakfast and lunch, but as soon as he got home for supper, he was so hungry, he would devour everything in site with no restraints which explains why he has a belly. Not everyone responds the IF like it did with you.7 -
I’m surprised by how many people are honestly afraid of being hungry.
Not everyone is the same. Some people love fasting. It makes other people miserable. If you can eat your calorie allowance in a non fasted state and be perfectly happy, why wouldn't you? It's not about being afraid to be hungry, it's about what works for your lifestyle.10 -
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nutmegoreo wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »duskyjewel wrote: »Here they come! I LOVE that you all got THAT out of my post. Its like talking to a damn wall. I didnt miss that post...no where in there do I see that she said it "CURES CANCER." OR did YOU miss that post? Prevent Cancer...a process that we can control can contribute to cancer...these arent new ideas that what you put in your body can contribute to cancer...and its no secret that by avoiding things could prevent it. Again, please tell me what I missed?LeeshaSeal wrote: »That is a false statement. The benefits are numerous and there studies and research to prove it, which include weight loss, reducing inflammation, increasing muscle, reducing/eliminating type 2 diabetes, preventing cancer and alzheimers, to name a few. The 2016 Nobel Prize for Medicine went to a person that identified the process of Autophagy, which happens during a fasted-state. It's the process of your body cleaning out cellular junk and broken down proteins. Also, you were probably hungry because you were consuming something that released insulin and triggered digestion. It could have even been lemon in your water.
These are doctrinaire statements asserted as if fact.
I do have research and studies that back those claims up but those were dismissed as false, woo, or quack here.
Fung is frequently dismissed as a quack, because.... he is. Here are some great articles discussing the holes in his theories and statements:
https://www.diabetes-warrior.net/2015/04/24/what-the-fung/
https://www.diabetes-warrior.net/2015/04/20/fung-us-among-us/
https://www.myoleanfitness.com/evidence-caloric-restriction/nutmegoreo wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »duskyjewel wrote: »Here they come! I LOVE that you all got THAT out of my post. Its like talking to a damn wall. I didnt miss that post...no where in there do I see that she said it "CURES CANCER." OR did YOU miss that post? Prevent Cancer...a process that we can control can contribute to cancer...these arent new ideas that what you put in your body can contribute to cancer...and its no secret that by avoiding things could prevent it. Again, please tell me what I missed?LeeshaSeal wrote: »That is a false statement. The benefits are numerous and there studies and research to prove it, which include weight loss, reducing inflammation, increasing muscle, reducing/eliminating type 2 diabetes, preventing cancer and alzheimers, to name a few. The 2016 Nobel Prize for Medicine went to a person that identified the process of Autophagy, which happens during a fasted-state. It's the process of your body cleaning out cellular junk and broken down proteins. Also, you were probably hungry because you were consuming something that released insulin and triggered digestion. It could have even been lemon in your water.
These are doctrinaire statements asserted as if fact.
I do have research and studies that back those claims up but those were dismissed as false, woo, or quack here.
Fung is frequently dismissed as a quack, because.... he is. Here are some great articles discussing the holes in his theories and statements:
https://www.diabetes-warrior.net/2015/04/24/what-the-fung/
https://www.diabetes-warrior.net/2015/04/20/fung-us-among-us/
https://www.myoleanfitness.com/evidence-caloric-restriction/
I read all 3 articles and the first row seemed anecdotal to me. The evidence supported to contrast Jason Fung was personal history. It also was directed more toward his low-carb recommendations and not Fasting in particular as a means to control blood sugar. I'm not completely discounting the articles but I would like to see some side by side charts, which are missing.
The last article had the most meat. However, it actually concurred with Fung in some areas. And again, it was directed more at his low carb methodology rather than fasting.
In his book The Complete Guide to Fasting, he has included studies and some before and after blood work statistics. Do they completely offset tradition CI/CO methods? I would be hesitant to say yes. However, I do find it interesting that the overall loss and maintenance success numbers are horrid.
Thank you for providing some reading. I still don't agree that it makes him a quack.9 -
Fasting periodically for periods of 12, 18, 24 hours and sometimes greater has been show to have great health benefits. People have been doing this for centuries; religiously, spiritually, culturally, so it's a widely accepted idea.
I've read some very interesting studies on mice regarding fasting and diabetes. Basically they limited food intake for 5 days, calories consumed were high fat, then return to a normal diet with more typical macros for the remaining 2 days, then repeat. Results suggest production of new pancreatic cells that were more insulin receptive. This had been demonstrated in both type 1 and type 2 diabetic. Very cool stuff.12 -
Another examination of intermittent fasting: https://www.iifym.com/intermittent-fasting-myths-debunked/
And another: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0303720715300800?via=ihub
And another: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S02615614173012555 -
LeeshaSeal - I’m not a trained nutritionist or a licensed dietician, and I’m not going to pretend to be one, but I am fairly familiar with anatomy and physiology and IF doesn’t “cleanse the body” (that’s what your liver and kidney do), rid a person of diabetes (see end statement), or reduce inflammation (which can have a multitude of explanations besides what a person eats) - eating the right foods, eating less, and exercising does. THIS is scientifically proven. I’m not bashing IF, I’m simply stating it helps restrict calorie intake.
And logic says, if I wasn’t eating for 16 hours straight, pretty sure it wasn’t the lemon in my water that made me insatiable. It was the NOT EATING.
Mate, you need to educate yourself more. What she said is 100% true and supported by numerous clinical research studies. Stop spreading nonsense, next we'll hear that vaccines are bad.24 -
LeeshaSeal - I’m not a trained nutritionist or a licensed dietician, and I’m not going to pretend to be one, but I am fairly familiar with anatomy and physiology and IF doesn’t “cleanse the body” (that’s what your liver and kidney do), rid a person of diabetes (see end statement), or reduce inflammation (which can have a multitude of explanations besides what a person eats) - eating the right foods, eating less, and exercising does. THIS is scientifically proven. I’m not bashing IF, I’m simply stating it helps restrict calorie intake.
And logic says, if I wasn’t eating for 16 hours straight, pretty sure it wasn’t the lemon in my water that made me insatiable. It was the NOT EATING.
Mate, you need to educate yourself more. What she said is 100% true and supported by numerous clinical research studies. Stop spreading nonsense, next we'll hear that vaccines are bad.
Yeah, no mate.7 -
LeeshaSeal wrote: »
You should understand that just because a blog is hosted at Harvard doesn’t mean its content is endorsed by Harvard10 -
I did 15:9 Intermittent Fasting for a few weeks. I stopped because I am TTC and I have heard that it can mess with your hormones, and I also found that it made it too hard for me to focus at work in the morning. That being said, IF was great because it quickly got my body used to being satisfied on fewer calories in a way that was a lot less emotionally draining and prone to failure than pure calorie restriction; it got me used to drinking black coffee, which has knocked 100-150 calories out of my daily consumption that I don't even miss; it helped me get my nighttime emotional eating under control; and it actually brought me back around to calorie counting as a way to lose weight (I started counting during my eating window, and when I stopped IF I just added a few more calories to give me some wiggle room to eat in the morning). I do think that the hard-core IF groupies are a little too intense, and some of them, especially the OMAD and extended fast people, use IF as a shield to cover behavior and attitudes that are essentially disordered eating. There is also good science and bad science out there about the effects of IF, and many people can't tell the difference. That being said, if approached sanely and moderately, it can be a great tool.4
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I fast every night when I'm sleeping. Then I eat breakfast. (Almost like break-fast, don't ya think?)6
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stanmann571 wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »
You should understand that just because a blog is hosted at Harvard doesn’t mean its content is endorsed by Harvard
This point should be posted prominently somewhere. It's amazing how many times people are like "Checkmate, Harvard agrees with me!"6
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