How much protein do you really need?
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Looks legit to me.
You do know that Cutler and the rest of the pros use, right? You're not comparing vegan to non-vegan...you're comparing vegan to steroids. The pro WOMEN are bigger than amateur guys.
Yeah, you can't compare the vegans BBers to the Open Pros who are roided up. However, as I said, the natural pros and many ams are significantly larger than the vegans I've seen. Not to diminish their achievement, it's outstanding what they can achieve while on such a restrictive selection of food sources. I would kill to look like the vegan BBers, they are impressive, just not compared to non-vegans.
Compare them to natural non-vegan BBers then. [And that's with the assumption that no "vegan" BBer cycles AND the assumption that a vegan BBer is on minimal protein macros.]0 -
You do know that Cutler and the rest of the pros use, right? You're not comparing vegan to non-vegan...you're comparing vegan to steroids. The pro WOMEN are bigger than amateur guys.
http://s797.photobucket.com/albums/yy259/MeatSmells/?action=view¤t=Andreas-Cahling-VegTimes-VEGETARIAN.jpg¤ttag=Protein0 -
Looks legit to me.
You do know that Cutler and the rest of the pros use, right? You're not comparing vegan to non-vegan...you're comparing vegan to steroids. The pro WOMEN are bigger than amateur guys.
Yeah, you can't compare the vegans BBers to the Open Pros who are roided up. However, as I said, the natural pros and many ams are significantly larger than the vegans I've seen. Not to diminish their achievement, it's outstanding what they can achieve while on such a restrictive selection of food sources. I would kill to look like the vegan BBers, they are impressive, just not compared to non-vegans.
Compare them to natural non-vegan BBers then. [And that's with the assumption that no "vegan" BBer cycles AND the assumption that a vegan BBer is on minimal protein macros.]
Ummm..... that's what I was doing. Assuming natural vegan vs non-vegan natural. Most non-vegan naturals I see are larger than the vegans. Then again, it's hard to tell who really is natural.0 -
You do know that Cutler and the rest of the pros use, right? You're not comparing vegan to non-vegan...you're comparing vegan to steroids. The pro WOMEN are bigger than amateur guys.
http://s797.photobucket.com/albums/yy259/MeatSmells/?action=view¤t=Andreas-Cahling-VegTimes-VEGETARIAN.jpg¤ttag=Protein
I'm not sure what we're disagreeing on now. If someone is on steroids you can't compare them to natural BBers, regardless of diet.0 -
Looks legit to me.
You do know that Cutler and the rest of the pros use, right? You're not comparing vegan to non-vegan...you're comparing vegan to steroids. The pro WOMEN are bigger than amateur guys.
Yeah, you can't compare the vegans BBers to the Open Pros who are roided up. However, as I said, the natural pros and many ams are significantly larger than the vegans I've seen. Not to diminish their achievement, it's outstanding what they can achieve while on such a restrictive selection of food sources. I would kill to look like the vegan BBers, they are impressive, just not compared to non-vegans.
Compare them to natural non-vegan BBers then. [And that's with the assumption that no "vegan" BBer cycles AND the assumption that a vegan BBer is on minimal protein macros.]
Ummm..... that's what I was doing. Assuming natural vegan vs non-vegan natural. Most non-vegan naturals I see are larger than the vegans. Then again, it's hard to tell who really is natural.
Bleh, picture links aren't working...here's the page though.
http://www.naturalbodybuilding.com/pages/events/2011/2011_americas_natural.php0 -
Not all pro's are on the juice. There are quite a few IFBB pro's that are natural, and quite a few guys that SHOULD compete but don't and they look like they are on the juice, but aren't....like PBateman (Manu) from bodybuilding.com. The man is a beast and completely natty.0
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I noticed that my daily protien is always high - and some days I won't eat any meat. What does taking in too much protein mean? Does that convert to fat if unused? Is it like a calorie in terms of what to keep low when tryin to lose weight?0
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Bleh, picture links aren't working...here's the page though.
http://www.naturalbodybuilding.com/pages/events/2011/2011_americas_natural.php
Can't really think of any vegan bodybuilder (juiced or not) who has been able to compete with their meat eating counter parts except for Cahling.0 -
I noticed that my daily protien is always high - and some days I won't eat any meat. What does taking in too much protein mean? Does that convert to fat if unused? Is it like a calorie in terms of what to keep low when tryin to lose weight?
Any kind of exess calories can be turned into fat. The only exception I am aware of is alcohol. Alcohol is actually a toxin in the body and you will metabolize it first to get it out of the body. Its good because it leaves the body, but bad because the body greatly slows in metabolising other calorie sources. My understanding is simple carbs are converted to fat for storage more easily than protien. I could be misunderstanding that, but it's what I've read.. I guess that's why people now say carbs are bad. In short protien is good and it's rather difficult to get too much protien. What you have to watch for are too many calories.0 -
Just realized I was sitting here reading the... friendly debates, while eating carrots- like its popcorn & drama time. Rofl What I'm trying to find out is which non-meat foods to combine to form a complete protein chain. I saw an excellent diagram years ago but wasn't able to find it later on. This is the wrong thread.
I eat meat, but when I eat dairy or beans etc, I try to make the most out of it by adding something else to complete the chain. I have like 70g of protein per day because.... of lots of reasons that I just won't get into cuz it's long.0 -
joejccva71 wrote: »This is so true. Nobody ever wants to listen to me because I'm vegan but people really don't need as much protein as they think they do. Plus its naturally found in a lot more foods than people realize. I'm up to 51 grams of protein so far today without even trying, and without any animal products.
No the article is full of crap. Protein minimums are required, not optional not only for muscle building but to lose weight (burning fat instead of muscle). It's all part of hitting your macronutrient requirements.
Nobody (including the article) said there weren't minimum amounts of protein needed, just that the average person consumes way more than they need.
And actually the average person consumes way LESS protein than they need, and consume way MORE carbs than they need.
I have trouble believing that "the average person consumes way less protein than they need". If that were the case, people would be physically weak and unable to lift reasonably heavy objects, hearts would be atrophying, etc. I would love to be proven wrong though.1 -
This is so true. Nobody ever wants to listen to me because I'm vegan but people really don't need as much protein as they think they do. Plus its naturally found in a lot more foods than people realize. I'm up to 51 grams of protein so far today without even trying, and without any animal products.I'd listen to you! But I already agree with you, so it would be preaching to the choir. :-)
Too much protein is actually quite unhealthy and people think they need way more than they do, even when strength training.
That the great thing about science...it's true even if you don't believe it.
There is a plethora of studies that show the benefits of strength training and eating more protien than the minimum requirements of "not being deficient".
The amount of protien needed to be considered unhealthy in a average person is virtually impossible to consume for the majority of people.
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LumberJacck wrote: »joejccva71 wrote: »This is so true. Nobody ever wants to listen to me because I'm vegan but people really don't need as much protein as they think they do. Plus its naturally found in a lot more foods than people realize. I'm up to 51 grams of protein so far today without even trying, and without any animal products.
No the article is full of crap. Protein minimums are required, not optional not only for muscle building but to lose weight (burning fat instead of muscle). It's all part of hitting your macronutrient requirements.
Nobody (including the article) said there weren't minimum amounts of protein needed, just that the average person consumes way more than they need.
And actually the average person consumes way LESS protein than they need, and consume way MORE carbs than they need.
I have trouble believing that "the average person consumes way less protein than they need". If that were the case, people would be physically weak and unable to lift reasonably heavy objects, hearts would be atrophying, etc. I would love to be proven wrong though.
Since this thread is over 7 years old and the poster you quoted hasn't logged in here since November of 2015, I doubt he'll be back to provide any evidence to back up his claims.
But he's right nonetheless. The RDI for protein is a minimum, and while it may be adequate (not optimal) for an average, sedentary, normal weight person, it's not adequate and nowhere near optimal for active populations, older adults, people in caloric deficit and people engaging in strength training. In other words, for about 95% of the people on MFP.4
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